The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Ben Gordon
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The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gordon, a source with knowledge of talks tells Y! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski
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FUCK U
lol im sorry..
im PISSED FUCK FUCK
STUPID BULLS, IF THEY DIDNT TRY TO MATCH
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Salaries, if the deal is as quoted
Age Year Annual Cumulative 26 Year 1 $9.5 $9.5 27 Year 2 $10.3 $19.8 28 Year 3 $11.0 $30.8 29 Year 4 $11.8 $42.6 30 Year 5 $12.5 $55.1
In other words, Ben just agreed to a contract that pays him exactly the same amount as Kirk Hinrich this year.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There was word that he would call Gar Forman to see if the Bulls would match the offer
has this happened yet. It was posted on the thread on Ben Gordon and Detroit in discussion.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get what Gordon brings to Detroit
They already have Rip on the books for $12 million a year for 4 more years.
by patagonia on Jul 1, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since they are in our division
It has a double effect – our loss and their gain. I think they would gain a lot more by a signing other than at the 2 so I just wonder what their thoughts are.
by patagonia on Jul 1, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can still get more guys
and Rip can be traded. Just because the Bulls are incompetent at getting things done doesn’t mean every other team is.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in our division?
we’re not trying to win anything anytime soon. That was cemented today.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has a double effect-our loss, their gain
It does have a double effect…
by hlac on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
early reaction.
eat shit and die, Bulls.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
EAT SHIT AND DIE JR!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eat dye and Shit too JR
This fucking blows…..it’s like I knew it was happening for the last month or 2 month……but then it happens. God this sucks!!!!!!!
They better make a play for someone. Hedo could be nice, or Odom……spend some money, we need some fa’s.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can the moderator of this blog be such a drama queen?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see who all are drama queens as the Bulls vacillate the next 3 years in non playoff appearances and a frustrated D.Rose
Cursed Org. preaching ethics and living the opposite..
Anyone and Everyone is free to express one’s interests here, respectfully and passionately!
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is great we have Rose
but more than once great players wallowed away on meh teams. Rose can’t do everything. We are not bad enough to have any draft miracles and we are not good enough to have guys that can be traded for stars. It is really hard to be positive even with Rose there.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless your a hinrich fan
then you are STOOOPID (eh im not being totally serious when writing so dont take anything personally as i am also not taking anything personall, although i cant stop laughing at alot of the comments…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben's not worth
$11million per year. Bulls have been screwed with these big contracts to Hinrich and Deng. I liked BG7 but he’s not worth it.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hate to lose BG, but I agree with this argument
Why invest so much money in the backcourt? Ben’s good, but I’m not sure it’s worth it. Luol Deng was where this team really fucked themselves. If we didn’t have that douchebag we’d be in prime position to make some big time moves (if Reinsdorf ever feels like actually doing something)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we split our money between Deng and Gordon
back in the day they both would have been very tradable or even affordable if we decided to keep them. This makes me sad. :( Deng is too dull to hate, but his contract is wrecking things now. Darn you!
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben is worth that kind of money
He’s efficient as a scorer and underrated defensively. He’s not worth it though if we have Deng for 5 more years and $60M though……
Damn, BG over Deng anyday…
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 1, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he's underrated defensively
but damn, this really, REALLY sucks monkey balls. FUCK JR and FUCK THE PISTONS.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is, Gordon is the ONLY one of the Bulls old core (Hinrich, Deng, Gordon)...
…who is worth $10 – $11M/yr. This is a sad day. Not like the Bulls have lost MJ, but they’ve lost the second best Bull since MJ. The worst part is that Gordon is gone for NOTHING!!! As the deal stands now, the Bulls lost a #3 pick for NADA and that should NEVER happen to a team that has aspirations of competing.
And NOW Bulls fans have to watch Gordon compete against their team AS A PISTON!!! That’s the worst part!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably will lose a 2006 #2nd pick for nothing also?
Gordon will torch the Bulls, even moreso with the Bulls highly celebrated defensive specialist Hinrich trying to stop him! All the while point to the location where PaxsdorfGar hide during the games after every 3 ptr made
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon 5/55 and Deng 6/66
That almost makes sense.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng isn't worth that much
neither is Gordon
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't want to pay him 11 million dollars a year.
kudos to him for finding someone willing to give it to him.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and to those who doubted gordon would accept without hearing an offer from the bulls:
where are you now? i see nothing that says he waited to hear from them.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about those who've been saying for 2 years he'll never get close to $11m?
some teams pay for talent.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well i'm just saying that because i was having an argument with people earlier today
and i said that gordon owed them nothing and sure as hell didn’t have to wait for them to make an offer.
i have to admit i didn’t think he’d get the money, but i’m still not sorry we’re not the ones paying it.
i wanted to keep him for the right price.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not uncommon for individuals to be wrong twice...
You did praise the Organization for the Deng’s contract?
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm in the minority
that still doesn’t think that contract is that bad. one more season like this from him and i’ll agree.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 2, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so gracious..therefore grace follows in your paths..
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 2, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because...
they’ll pay him $11 million doesn’t mean he’s worth $11 m or that the Bulls should pay that much. Sucks he’s leaving but shit happens. He was offered two fair contracts the past two offseasons. BG waited and got a little bit more money from a different team…oh well.
by ronmexibull on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically...
if someone is willing to give him $11M a year then that’s exactly what he’s worth.
Then again, if I remember correctly he turned down 5/$59 the first year and 5/$50 was pulled back last year so he ended up in the middle.
by CubFan81 on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salary and oncourt value are inseparable
Otherwise there’d be no bitchin about Kurt and LooL. Or half the other guys in the league. I agree “technically” separate, but that isn’t how players are judged. Focusing on only one is kinda like picking isolated stats to hype a biased viewpoint.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reverse your numbers
He turned down 5 years and 50 million the first time
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's what I'm really laughing about. The complete lack of understanding...
…on the part of people who really didn’t think Gordon would warrant an 8 figure salary. People who actually thought the Bulls would be able to re-sign Gordon for the MLE. Are you kidding me? Despite his shortcomings, this guy was unique in his ability to put the ball in the basket at the most opportune times. There aren’t 15 better natural scorers in the NBA than Gordon and let’s face it people. In the NBA, scorers get paid (unless your name is Ben Wallace).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Correction
Some teams overpay for talent. We just overpaid the wrong guys.
by peruvianidol on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG's final F U to the organization?
I bet he relished that. It sucks a lot, but the Bulls deserve it.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Jul 1, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to pay him $16m
is it too late? argh I feel really fucking terrible about this. I’m already getting the ’don’t worry we still have Hinrich’ blowback.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comeon he isn't worth
Ben Wallace money!!!
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, i don't want to make it seem like i'm not upset about it
there are so many ways this could have gone differently. but it didn’t.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have Kurt to miss clutch shots!
I’m already getting the ’don’t worry we still have Hinrich’ blowback.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be possible to keep our negative energies
focused on the guys who hand out (or in this case dont hand out) the contracts?? Please????
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
FUCK REINSDORF!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
INDEED!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
privately piccolomair you're one of my heroes..
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
we still have DeMarcus Nelson.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it before and I'll say it again.
I’d have MUCH rather paid Gordon $11M than have paid Deng the money he got.
Ben Gordon = the best Chicago Bulls player for the better part of the last 5 yrs. People rave about the series Deng had against Miami back in 2007, but they forget that Gordon averaged 25 pts 5 rbd and 5 assts in that same series. Deng obviously had the playoffs of his life, but Gordon has been far more consistent and overall a better performer and has had more of an impact on the Bulls than Deng or Hinrich. And the Bulls backslid on making this man a deal.
I would MUCH rather had seen Deng be moved and the Bulls keep Hinrich and Gordon and Salmons slide into the 3 spot, but it looks like we’ll have a Salmons/Deng wing now…and I think ultimately that they’ll do alright. But I think the Bulls had the potential to be explosive offensively with Ben Gordon.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that really sucks....
I’m pissed that we could of had him last year at a good price if Dorf hadn’t pulled the deal on principle. This hurts us HUGELY as a team..
by idel212 on Jul 1, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doing things on principle pretty much always sucks.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is really dissapointing
And makes me question why I even have loyalty to this organisation. That probably sounds like an overreaction but I hate loosing all these good, skilled, quality players for purely financial (cheap) reasons
by rquinsee on Jul 1, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this sucks
but whatever. moving on.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy i hope this doesn't happen
Gordon was a lot of fun to watch on you guys’ team last year. Detroit isn’t a place where his talent is going to be maximized.
by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why? They dont have a basketball?
If there is a ball on the court and BG can reach it, he will shine…
by idel212 on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And this will be
Gordon’s first chance with a new organization. Maybe it will be less insane than how things go here and they will find the best way for him to fit with their team.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he should have a good coach.
Doug Collins and Avery Johnson are at least competent and have experience with playoff teams. None of this VDN crap! If I were BG, VDN might have been enough for me to take a roll off the bench rather than a joke of an organization throwing a noob out to the wolves.
by Unrealcity on Jul 1, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance
‘agreed in principle’ means he hasn’t signed anything yet? So any chance the Bulls match and he goes with them? I think 55M spread out the way Sports2 mentioned is pretty damn reasonable for him
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's only in principle
cuz he can’t sign til July 8th
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't mean he won't give the Bulls
a chance to match it. I’d be suprised if they did, though.
by runningman on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe the Bulls think Gordon's a restricted FA, remember Bulls never get into bidding wars.
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only with themselves for Nocioni
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by tyrus4prez on Jul 1, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats so frusterating
is that its clear the Bulls did not try at all to sign him. They were done with him when the season ended and they knew it.
Now we should try to trade deng and kirk and go big or go home in 2010
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
The Bulls didn’t really pose as a threat to the Top 3 in the East; having the same squad this year, even considering the talent they had, would have still done nothing.
2009-2010 is looking like a buffer year for ‘10-’11.
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really REALLY
hope they blow it up then. Not keeping Ben and maintaining status quo will kill us
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer they keep the talent
and get rid of the rot, but whatever. What’s done is done. I just don’t think different will be better.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would LOVE
for Ben to have to come off the bench for a few games before they trade Hamilton
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Hamilton is a good player.
That is way different from coming off the bench for the likes of Duhon, Thabo, and Hughes.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Initial thoughts if this report is true
He was fun while we had him. Brought a shit load of excitement to the team.
But the questions about his defense, leadership and one dimensional style of play is definitely not worth what he’s reportedly getting.
I can’t say I blame the Bulls for not trying to match.
Save the money for next year.
If it’s not used properly, then I’ll really be pissed.
I’m not too mad now cause I was kinda setting up for this moment for a while now.
He wanted the money to stroke his ego as one of the games best, well he got it.
Kudos to him for waiting it out till he got the deal he wanted.
I’ll always have a love/hate relationship with Ben.
Au revoir Benjamin
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are worse players
being paid more than he is. I don’t think this is a bad deal for either party. If Ben does the next five years like he did the first then they would have gotten their $$$ worth. Add in his injury record (or lack of one) and it is a very positive deal. While the Bulls are wondering if draft picks have knee problems as well as Amare’s health problem’s and Bosh’s … it is funny they are letting go one of the healthiest guys in the league.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course there are worse players getting paid more
But I wouldn’t justify that as the reason the deal makes sense.
But you are right about the injury problem. I was always impressed with that aspect of him
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
letting go one of the healthiest guys in the league...
enough emphasis is not placed on this fact….
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so umm.. does this mean you dont want to send us Hinrich? pretty please? what if we suck it up and eat dengs conract too?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol, Deng's contract is worse than Turkoglu's demands
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you still have Salmons, Noah and Tyrus the wonderkid…
and Rose.. Rose helps
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys get hinrich
Give us Blake and Rudy (im assuming you will also get turk signed)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhh that might be a bit much
maybe travis outlaw.. but then again you dont need capspace anymore.. since no one to sign
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you get turk
Rudy doesnt even want to be on your team…so im confused why you still wnat to keep rudy (and have him leave your team)….?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
how
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Salmons is on that list makes me sad.
He’s so average and now he’s one of our “guys.” Sigh.
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
sorry.. i know he is only average
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down
Rose+Fishdicks+Lu+TT+Noah and Kirk is not equal to the lottery.
However, PLUS Vinnie Del Taco = #1 overall pick in the draft
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defenses that force the ball out of D.Rose hands and you lose many games
Then Kirk replaces Fishdicks or Lu, either way more shots will not fall for points.
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I will have to remember this when Deng puts up ~18 & 7 next year
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...Deng will alternately suck and get hurt
I don’t think we’re going to see anything close to 18 and 7 over a whole season again from him.
It’s not all on him — VDN’s “offense” is just a horrible fit for Deng.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By 18, do you mean 18 games?
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, the bar has risen for Deng.
Turkoglu is an 18 and 7 type guy AND he can facilitate the offense…and the chances of him getting a deal that pays anywhere near what Deng gets a year ($12M/yr average) is pretty remote. All-star caliber play FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON…AND HOPEFULLY POSTSEASON FOR DENG…or bust!!! And 18 and 7 might no do the trick. Granger, Butler, Iguodala, Beasley (if he plays the 3), Gerald Wallace or Boris Diaw (both stand a chance to have just as good a season as Deng), and then Turkoglu…depending on where he ends up. Deng has gotta outplay these guys next season in my book. No more excuses for him. His security blanket is gone.
Something tells me that Derrick Rose will pull him out of a few fires next year though. Let’s hope so.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put him in a box with breathing holes in it and ship him to Tasmania tonight if I thought it would help us.
Too bad we will actually need him with Gordon gone.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could give you webster too?!?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rudy would have to be included for any deal to be considered, imo.
plus, he wants out if you guys sign turk. :P
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by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt that article is actually true.. and rudy seems like an awful lot to give up for Hinrich. I think that might stop Pritchard from doing it.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you seen Rudy wants OUT
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont believe everything i read.. especially when it comes from questionable sources. Besides we own his contract … what do WE care if he is unhappy.. no play no pay..
i still wouldnt give him up for hinrich
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
throw something else in there.. maybe we have a deal
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much is too much?
Pritch-slapped = a deal is only good if you “win” it.
Blazers get Hinrich and Turkoglue. Blazers lose Rudy and Blake.
Blazers win 58-60 games next year. 60+ the next couple of years.
They then find a competent PG and SF to replace Hinrich and Turkoglu and they still have Bayless and a young Batum. They stay in 60+ win territory for the next 5-8 years.
Yeah, Blazer’s shouldn’t do that. Fernandez is too much to give up for Hinrich. Yikes.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea on thier site
a guy actually threw a trade at me to show me how how absurd trading hinrich for rudy was, he was basically comparing rudy fernandez to d. rose….if the blazers never trade with us for such a reason i really hope they get a taste of chicago bulls circa 2007 (first step: over value players, second step: welcome to mediocrity, 3rd step: Regret not trading irrelevant pieces to your team)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy'll get traded if needed to, to get a final piece
But no matter what, he’s a peripheral piece. The main pieces in Portland are in place.
His cheapness and age make it so it’ll have to be a gangbusters deal to move him is all. If they think Hinrich could be moved to give the Bulls some cash savings, they won’t throw him in.
If someone compared Rudy to Rose talent wise, they were a dummy. Don’t worry.
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign Turkoglu. trade for hinrich with blake and rudy
overpay, yay!
win 60+ games the next 5-8 years. Double yay!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jul 2, 2009 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Bulls fans can laugh at Paul Allen while he goes into the luxury tax
While Blazers fans happily pack the Rose Garden for Game 1 of the 2012 NBA Finals.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please welcome our new shooting guard
John Salmons!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mr. Fish...
as a short term solution until James Johnson loses 40 lbs and becomes our beast of a 2-guard. HA.
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he fit into his schedule Biggest Loser?
I might watch that show then.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind Salmons. I really don't.
But I am concerned about the fact that he was fairly regular everywhere he went until he showed up in Chicago in February. Gordon was a borderline All-Star. Salmons isn’t close. But if he can have an entire season that emulates what he did when he got to Chicago then everyone will be happy.
A lot of pressure now falls squarely on the shoulders of Luol Deng. Let’s hope he’s up to the task.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was never a borderline All-star
He was not even close…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a few has-beens finally got retired from that title
he’d have had a shot. Same with Rose. You have to wait until the rest of the league realizes some of the older guys are crap before the younger ones get recognized.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also a shit load more double teams
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leaving Salmons to jack it up a lot.
He’s going to shoot A TON.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose will get more double teams.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And learn to deal with them
….im trying to put positive spins on everything….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose better learn the MJ fadeaway shot then.
And shoot it as well as MJ did.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be alright
if he just dunked on cats like mj did?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to dunk when you are double or tripled teamed away from the basket.
MJ’s ability to score over a double team is much of the reason why he is the GOAT.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when
Boston had trouble figuring out if they wanted to pile one Gordon or pile on Rose? Yeah, they’ll have no trouble figuring that out now.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Deng returning
I am not quite sure if that logic holds.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who know how many games Deng will play?
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see...
when games are actually played. Possibility and potential are the plagues of discussion.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
pre-season speculation ... 38
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng better bring it next season. He better make himself a weapon....
…EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!!! None of that bullshit outta him next year, please!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's say I need to find my rythmn in this offense for about 19 games ..
suffer a sore hand for the next 8 games, play 3 games scoring 18 pts in one.
Next he’s get a 8 day ankle spain. Next he say he’s trying to find his rythmn in the offense again. Afterwards season ..,ding ??.
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have 9m/yr and live in Chicago than 11m/yr and live in Detroit...
but that’s just me. Not to say the Bulls are offering anything to him at this point…
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For that extra $2M
He can afford to live in a hotel all season long and buy a bigger house elsewhere for the offseason though and still have some money to spare..
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one actually lives in Detroit, do they?
by MiledAnimal on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players live in the suburbs.
Don’t most of the Bulls players live in the Chicago suburbs too? It isn’t like BG will have to buy a gutted out house no more than a Chicago player has to live on the bad side of town.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Cranscape.
All the Pistons players live in the suburbs and those areas are pretty damn nice (and not quite as cheap as everyone seems to think).
Detroit is not one of the cities or franchises that NBA players have a problem with. They can go to the “D” and get as gutter as they want, but they can leave it all there and head home to one of the many beautiful suburban areas around Detroit (which are nothing like Detroit itself).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's still Michigan...
sell it to Canada.
48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.
by Lt.Dan on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of these players actually live in the cities anyways
It’s the suburbs of Chicago vs. the suburbs of Detroit (and Detroit does have some nice suburbs, at least).
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Gordon's gone
so fucking what? He’s going toa Detroit team that won’t do shit with him and can’t do shit without him. I liked BG as a player but he disappeared at times and he’d never be a superstar. Just a very good scorer. He was a luxury. Time for the Bulls to move forward without him.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a luxury
if you plan on building a team around Rose & Bosh. Excellent complement to both
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
Ben was great, but I don’t think he’d be too happy as a 3rd option
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was fine coming off the bench
FOR CHRIS DUHON
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh please. that was just Skiles stupidity and everyone knew it
no one thought that was going to be permanent.
why did you even have to bring Duhon up? isn’t today bad enough?
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happened numerous times as a strategy, not a whim. That kind of bad lingers.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls have way too much money in Deng and Hinrich to
afford to overpay BG. If they really want to sign a free agent next year then Gordon had to be reasonable. He’s all about his $$ tho (understandably so).
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could have moved Kirk.
Or asked Deng to be reasonable last summer. Never quite got why Ben had all the responsibility of being “reasonable” in this situation when everyone else seemed to have been green lighted.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last summer, there was still a lot of people who thought Deng was better than BG
and I don’t know what teams really wanted Kirk.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I wasn't one of them.
But I am well aware of what people said, and the truth is these people were basing it all on the playoff series Deng had against Miami in 2007, because if they’d seen Deng after than then they’d have seen a guy who looks either maxed out as a player of unmotivated to add other dimensions to his game. An ESPN article actually had Deng rated as a top 5 SF in the league!! How unbelievable does that sound now?
Still though, who did the Bulls bid against for Deng for his salary to get to $72M? They could have waited for another offer to come in and matched the offer or just offered him less than that again (like they did with Gordon) and waited to see what he’d do. Waited to see if people put their money where their mouths were in regards to Deng’s game.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what Deng does this year
I expect a different Deng on offense now.
by messwiththebull on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's not like it was a secret when Hinrich and Deng were getting those nice contracts.
Ben Gordon was going to want to be paid as well. So why give all that money to Hinrich and to Deng (I still don’t know who the Bulls bid against for either of those guys to be paid at that level) Yet the Bulls treated Gordon like he was Speedy Claxton or somebody like that.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You act like BG was not offered deals by the Bulls.
When they offered him deals each of the past two summers…he was offered to be paid alongside Deng and Hinrich, and he turned the deals down…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look D 2.0. NBA players are competive. Even in contract negotiations.
And when BG knows he’s the best and most consistent performer on the team yet has to watch Hinrich get 5yr/$47.5M, then watches Deng get 6yr/$72M – $80M at the same time the Bulls are offering him 5yr/$50M was bothersome…and it would bother you too if you were in that situation. So he really wasn’t offered to be paid alongside Deng and Hinrich like you say. He is unquestionably more valuable than Hinrich. Because of what Deng “potentially” brings to the table, I can see Deng having value. But based on actual production this was a no brainer. Gordon’s going to want closer to what Deng got than to what Hinrich got…and the Bulls put themselves in that position when they paid Hinrich. It’s not like they didn’t know they’d have to negotiate with Gordon pretty soon…and if he kept performing at the level he was playing at then he’d get more expensive.
Also, Gordon tried to accept a deal last year…and the Bulls pulled it off the table. Treated him like shit and treated Deng and Hinrich like Golden Boys. Detroit showed Ben some love…and now he’s a Piston.
You guys act like Gordon is the first or last guy to have contract demands. Y’all better screw ya heads on right if you think that. Hinrich was paid based on what they thought he’d do in the future. Deng was paid based on what they thought he’d do in the future. Neither has had a season like Gordon did this past season, yet Gordon couldn’t get paid for what he already brings to the table. Not potential, but actual production. Guess it doesn’t mean much in Jerry’s world.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 2, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
He is good compliment to Bosh…but a pretty average compliment to Rose.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On any team except a championship team...
…there is no such thing as a scorer who is a luxury. You gotta be kidding me. And do you really have the nerve to say that Gordon disappeared at times and would never be a superstar? If that’s how you really feel, I have no problem with your opinion. BUT I hope you’ve said the same things about the psuedo Bulls superstar the last 2 seasons or so. You know. The guy who got the largest contract in Chicago Bulls history…the guy who actually disappears at the worst times…and who has yet to live up to his contract or billing as a big money guy!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got charlie V too
is that 90 million n BG and CV? what a waste
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60264/20090701/villanueva_comes_to_terms_with_detroit/
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bulls and pistons both just got worse
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wow, I called that pretty close in a post earlier today
If the Pistons manage to turn Rip into an expiring, they’ll have added BG and CV at reasonable deals and then still likely have max contract space to offer to a big FA next year.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take the $90M of CV and BG over the $119.5M GUARANTEED on Hinrich and Deng ANYDAY!!!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Lex.....you are the DOG
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna get tickets to every single Det @ Chi game
and laugh when BG pours the points in on us. I’ll be the lone guy cheering for him and laughing at the morons who hated him that call themselves “Bulls fans”
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahaha
I like Ben, but you are way too butthurt over this.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He'll be even more butthurt
when Rose plays lockdown D and shuts BG down to 2 PPG…wait…me thinks i’m missing something….
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk had better re-learn that judo chop he used on Wade
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Bulls will get Wade.
One can always dream…
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's exactly what the Bulls brass
wants you to think. Keep hoping. And when we get nobody, then what are you hoping for?
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG is not worth $55 million.
I’d rather the Bulls let him go than overpay him and can’t do shit cuz they got three overpaid players from a failed core. They signed Wallace so obviously they will sign players they feel are worth it, Sorry BG7 was deemed unworthy.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was worth 6 years 54 million, which the Bulls pulled last year -- which was stupid.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Deng is worth $12M/yr, then Gordon is worth $11M/yr EASILY!!!
Gordon has actually produced for more than one playoff series and a few 5 or 6 game stretches here and there.
Can’t say the same for Deng to this point.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really argue with that.
At least right now. Who knows in the future. But the Bulls weren’t the only ones who valued Deng more than Gordon. When the Kobe, Pau Gasol and Kevin Garnett trade talks were occuring. Who was the player being mentioned in the trades. Deng, not Gordon. Deng has the higher ceiling. It’s just unfortunate that he hasn’t improved at all the past two years and is now injury plagued.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather the Bulls have gotten rid of one of their already "overpaid" guys...
…and signed Gordon to that 5yr/$50M deal that had they offered him this morning then I’m CERTAIN he would have taken.
Bulls pay the luxury tax for one season (after having raked in 100s of millions of dollars over the last couple years, paying $20M in luxury tax wouldn’t hurt), then have room to sign a max FA next year and the assets to sign and trade for another max FA.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 2, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't tread on my dreams!
We first I was hoping for James… but i unno… that sounds crazy too.
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Equilibrium reference
?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
That movie is great! Christian Bale is so good at playing someone that has no personality!
And he is equally as impressive when acting like Batman with a sore throat.
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Equilibrium is Underrated!
Watch and learn to appreciate “emotion” and all it has to offer…
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea i liked it too
ARe you a sense offender, kirk hinrich is, apparently bg is not….bg would make an awesome cleric….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Equilibrium is quite good.
It just had the misfortune of coming out about the same time as the first Matrix movie. Same thing happened to Stir of Echos vs The Sixth Sense. Came out too close to each other and one got undeservingly shelved.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
and christian bale really had a marevelous performance in that movie, i mean if you think he was good in batman (which i have questions about) you’ll love his performance in equilibrium (cuz he is off the chain). And the gun kata abilities, the action scenes in general were awesome but it also had a real deep plot, and being a bit underground it was forced to actually have actors who had to act instead of rely on good looks. Yea i actually saw it more because of im a fan of hte matrix movies, but that movie was just really good on so many levels…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked BG7 but he's not wort that kid of money.
If Dumars wants to continue his fucked up streak ever since drafting Darko more power to him.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True abt Dumars
Draft Darko, Fire Flip, Overpay Rip, trade away Chauncy, get AI, overvalue Stuckey.
Only good move he made was duping the Bulls into signing The Corpse
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go BG
Hope he does well if the Bulls aren’t going to offer him anything here.
by Camry on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey isnt a true point guard
Itll be interesting to see how he and BG work together
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see how they're lineup works out
Are you gonna put Stuckey at point or just have Hamilton come off the bench, and start Gordon, like they did last year with Iverson?
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
is grammar that much of a lost art
they’re =\= their
your =\= you’re
double negatives are for retards
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I applaud your lesson
but not your language. retards? really?
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
retards are TERRIBLE at the your/you're thing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
in theory, they could still trade hamilton
….but a Stuckey/Gordon/Prince/Villanueva/???? lineup really doesn’t make them any better.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming they get someone back for Hamilton
Maybe they can swing another quality big man if they package him.
I’m hoping they get stuck with Hamilton, though.
by runningman on Jul 1, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding Gordon doesn't seem to make them significantly better
You have to wonder why they gave him so much money. This might not be a good move for the Pistons, especially considering that they have a good #2 already and have their best man in the post as a free agent currently.
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we're all set...
at ONE position. Great job!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
by hhirb on Jul 1, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luol Deng has 70 million dollars that says you're wrong!
;)
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it means I'm right
You think he’s gonna be the small forward that makes this a championship team?
We have one above average player now.
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
by hhirb on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of what happened with BG...
The Bulls were all set at one position
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordon would have been set at the two
what are you talking about?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th man
the Bulls just lost the 6th Man of the Year
by messwiththebull on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for the Bulls to Adjust
I will miss Ben and his sexy arms but Salmons can give the Bulls a bigger backcourt on defense.
This move (or lack of on the Bulls part) certainly gives the Bulls more flexibility when it comes to the SG spot.
Perhaps in the future… ehhhhhhh fuck it… GET WADE 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wade just said the Bulls should keep Gordon.
So much for making Chicago attractive to Wade.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like those are related?
Wade and Gordon play the same position???
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares.
You keep talent or use talent to build your team. You don’t let them go away for nothing. If Rose/Wade/Gordon didn’t work (they would be awesome btw…winning makes you forgot how much you might be paying someone) Gordon could have been turned into another good player in a trade. The reason why we are stuck in limbo now is that the guys we’d like to trade have no value (Deng, Tyrus) or we are holding onto them because we are scared (Kirk). Our talent is pretty much Rose and Noah. We are going to have to do better than that to attract Wade.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade and Noah can toke up together.
Weed unites all people…
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sends a message to Wade about what the Bulls are all about
If they’re doing things that don’t make sense to him, why would he come here?
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent wants to be with other talent.
Which is why I never got that argument of some fans/media that BG must go for Rose to shine. Really? Oh well. We will be spending the following years hoping to attract or stumble on talented guys to surround Rose with.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Wade playing SF
because paying Gordon 11mil to be a backup is worse than paying Kirk 9.
by runningman on Jul 1, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What else is he going to say?
Players always have players’ backs. I doubt it has anything to do with a future decision by Wade as to whether he comes here.
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Wade really likes Rose and Noah.
And VDN is not someone you’d want to take to the prom either.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like both those guys.
And it’s possible The Hair isn’t in the picture by that point.
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had this coming.
I wish I were more surprised by this but the organization has treated Ben like shit for years. He wasn’t my favorite, but the fact that he will walk away and we will get NOTHING in return is just depressing.
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you never know...
If the Bulls are thinking Wade 2010, maybe that’s one reason they let their 2-guard go…
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Wade signs here in 2010
feel free to rub my face in this. But what would you say the odds are of this actually happening? What reasons do you have to believe that this organization knows what it’s doing?
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I have none. I was trying to find a small glimmer of hope... very small.
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Just wanted to make sure you were one of the sane ones. ;-)
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to cry
i mean BG was the shit, but for some reason i feel like JR and gar are like wastin our fuckin money
all the money for the players is OURS we pay for tickets and we watch the games
FUCK
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We Get Iverson
for the mid-level exception. No one else wants him…he will do everything Gordon does, at least for a year or two.
by Cannoli on Jul 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
He’ll do everything Gordon does, but a lot worse and for more money, and bitch about it with subtlety
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Organizational Failure
It’s clear the Bulls and BG were not gonna get a deal done and we’ve let another high draft pick leave for nothing,
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So its like Jay Williams all over again...
Except we got three more years out of him…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I don't think we needed BG as one of our top guys in order to build another contender...
I am extremely pissed we let him go for nothing. I mean, don’t you sign him so that you have assets to make a sign-trade deal for a Bosh? Or so you have someone left if you have to trade away the other pieces on the team? Unless the Bulls plan on straight up signing DWade and Bosh and not messing with sign/trades, this is gonna hurt. And yeah, we’ll miss BG much more than we think next year…
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else glad this is over so we can talk about something else??
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let the mourners mourn and vent. It is their day.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
one day? This is gonna be until July 2010.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya sure let's talk about
How Salmons is gonna continue to play like he did last year.
How Hinrich is such a great versatile player to have.
How Tyrus is gonna emerge as an All-Star.
How we’re gonna land the big one next year!!
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, over?
Oh no, not in this blog. Expect yfBB to make (at least) 2 posts about it; and whenever Gordon does something an inch above mediocre this season, to hint about how stupid the Bulls management is to have let him go
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL...yes this will go into next season will Andrew7...Dills and others. Ben's followers will be active
I may take off when detroit plays the bulls just to log on to witness the epic battle.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When someone misses a clutch shot,
we can post about how BG would have made it.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls down 12, miss last shot
If only Ben Gordon was here, he would have made that last one and won it for the Bulls.
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That will get repetitive.
Lets not do a shots game about it. We’d need liver transplants.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same amount of posts from people who still bitch about trading LaMarcus Aldridge
I thought we weren’t supposed to care about losing average players?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the mighty have fallen
easily one of my favorite sports teams of all time. I just knew they were going to compete for a title one day.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need to
cry it out, ill be str8 in a week
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for him (kind of).
I was one of those who doubted he could get his money. Way to succeed, Ben (at least financially). You’ll be making marginally more than you could have with the Bulls (and their future All-Star PG) to go to an aging team trying desperately to rebuild on the fly and that already has a starting SG (whose contract makes him fairly hard to move). I’m sure it feels good to get “respect,” too, since Detroit never let you doubt that they wanted you (the Bulls’ mistake all along). I hope you’re happy (because if you’re not, this sucks all the way around).
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, Detroit, where the season ticket renewal rate dropped 20% this year, for the first time ever...
and unemployment has sky-rocketed. Marketing opportunities galore- get excited BG!
by smash! on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wait and see
BG will restore Detroit’s economy with Myoplex
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this would make me feel better
bulls receive:
-Rudy Fernandez
-Travis Outlaw
Blazers recieve:
-Kirk Hinrich
-Future first round pick
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No that would piss me off
the only reason that I thought they were hanging on to Kirk was in case BG left. If he lose BG and then trade away Kirk then why didn’t we trade him away a week ago to get more cap space.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would have traded
Ben Gordan for Rudy Fernandez straight up last year. Rudy is a much better fit next to Derrick Rose
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been fine, that way we got something for a guy we got nothing for
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing beats
having nothing to show for the #3 overall pick. not even immediate cap space.
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once the Bulls didn't have an offer to him this morning he said fuck it,
fuck you cheap bastards thats what you get. I hold nothing against Gordon.
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oh yeah
now way he should have waited after the way the Bulls have handled negotations for the last 2 years. Man’s gotta have some self respect
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie V got ca. 25k per tweet
It’s a recession in Detroit, and nobody noticed. $90 million invested between those two guys. Sounds like a championship team.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheed was always gone.
The one who’s up in the air is McDyess.
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two primarily offensive players
both of whom are potential defensive liabilities. Is Detroit going to try to run people out of the gym? If they can actually move Hamilton, they’d have the pieces to attempt it.
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they'll prove me wrong, but the pistons look kinda stupid
CV is a 3rd option on a pretty bad team in the Milwaukee Bucks. the only reason he put up decent numbers is b/c Redd and Bogut were injured all year.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He put up good offensive numbers in Toronto too.
The kid can put the ball in the bucket. It’s the only thing he does, though.
The only way these two signings make sense is if Detroit tries to become a scoring juggernaut, but Stuckey can’t really shoot and Tayshaun’s game is limited.
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his numbers were good in toronto
but nothing to justify that sort of contract.
and he’s still pretty awful on defense.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I've been saying.
(Except for the contract part; $7M for a good scoring forward isn’t that bad.)
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand Dumars at all on these moves.
Its like he forgot that his team won the title a few years ago by playing defense first while playing smart basketball…neither of the guys he signed today play D
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can win the title multiple ways.
You just have to commit to a system and then get the right players. Since Detroit doesn’t have a coach at the moment, it’ll be interesting to see what they do.
That being said, even if you’re a high-octane gunning team, you need to play some defense. Gordon will be alright, but it will be much harder to compensate for Villanueva.
by arjoseph on Jul 2, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pistons are going in a VERY different direction...
Wow, they were tough defensively when they had their run. BG and CV point them in a different direction. Not sure I like that combo at all—-and the jury is out on Stuckey. That said, I think I have more faith in DuuuuuuuuMars than Gar.
by jmogs on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Gordon on the Pistons more than CV
Gordon is a tough kid, but CV is a talented but ballhoggy softy who plays no defense.
Not very Pistons-esque…
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pistons are going to suck
they think that can contend vs cavs, magic, boston?
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCk
heartbreak…pain..suffering
AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Fuck you mngmt
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and fuck you pisstons
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 1, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish this were a few seasons ago when I still believed that management actually had a plan
I think I may change my Blog-a-Bull handle soon…
Ugh.
by paxson43 on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Given the optimism surrounding this team
after last year’s playoffs I have a hard time believing that management is just gonna let this go down without doing a few things to appease the fanbase. I know JR is cheap, but he’s not stupid.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect a nice email soon
that should help
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The positive is
that its harder for Vinny to go with the small lineup? With a glut of forwards, will Vinny go tall?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll have to get the healthiest in his life
to be fast enough to be a 2. And he wasn’t last time I saw him.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he turn the ball over in crunch time?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crunch time is when he puts on his cloak of invisibility!
Too bad his wizard powers have no use on the basketball court.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He should be motivated. If he could do it. He would be very good with Rose at the 2.
Johnson could then be eased into the 3 spot with Salmons starting there.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we at least test
this theory in the video game first? I don’t trust these hypothetical and unlikely situations without some facts behind them.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he'll just go.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know what I WON'T miss most about BG?
Is how pissy he got when someone else was shining at the end of ball games.
He would just look pissed if Derrick was the one that hit the big bucket at the end.
Don’t need that kinda attitude on this team
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I'm looking forward to seeing a team with D Rose being the complete focal point
Plus, there’s nowhere to hide Luol Deng anymore since our depth took a serious hit. He’s gonna have to produce now, if he can.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose maybe hit the final bucket onces or twice last year.
You are probably thinking about the times the other players missed the final basket because Gordon was froze out.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about big shots
Not last second shots
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
well I guess I missed all the times he gave Rose the stank eye when Rose made baskets. Hard to detect a change in typically stoic exterior.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like everyone deferring
just hold it 24 seconds and smile and hand it to the ref. maybe a high-five for effort thrown in there too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will only help VDN
Instead of throwing BG out there to take the last shot going 1 against 3, he’ll actually have to draw up a play!
Not saying the play will work, but at least his mind will have to go to work
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller running to the basket missing a layup comes to mind...
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a process!
I like everyone deferring
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know who's most devastated by this???
Venereal Del Taco….his money play is out of the window…hand the ball to Ben, close your eyes and prey for a bucket
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love how his last play as a bull at the United Center
was to really give that cooler hell after fouling out. Take that Reinsdorf! Now you need a new cooler!
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
ha!
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 1, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will say
a lot of people are on fire tonight. i didn’t think i’d be laughing this much after such shitty news.
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I hope A.D. Vassallo shows that he can play in the NBA and
We can call him the Puerto Rican Havoc. LOL
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our offense now is
rose to the hoop he will score 30 a night but will shoot iversonesque percentages.
Fuck me this is stupid!!!!
by drosekillsall on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vote Wade for 2010
I believe in Dwayne Wade.
In all seriousness, it is very unlikely that Wade would leave the Heat… they have a bright future with some good pieces like Beasley, Chalmers, Cook, and O’neal.
They have a young up and coming coach in Erik Spoelstra who Wade absolutely loves.
Pat Riley is a very smart man and it is hard to imagine that he would let the Heat set itself on fire and burn to the bottom of the lottery… and make Mr. Wade very unhappy.
But one can always dream… but dreams are all I have!
Wade’s mere presence in Chicago would elevate Chicago Basketball beyond even football and baseballs popularity here. (Actually maybe not… Cubs having a fucking huge section of drunks devoted to them in this sacred place called Wrigleyville)
Bulls game could once again become must see TV in this city…
It would be like the Jordan days… it would be like living my childhood again…
Reality… Please don’t tread on my dreams!
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
* In the 2007-2008 season, despite going 33-49 the Chicago Bulls made a profit of $59.3 million, good for first in the NBA. The next most profitable NBA team was the Detroit Pistons at $39.2 million.
* From 2003-2007, the Chicago Bulls made an average of $44.8 million in profit per a year. The league average was $8.5 million.
But yet we won’t spend some money. Bullshit.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a salary cap. Giving BG money would have fucked us if we signed him for the moeny he wanted.
Get over it. Quickly.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because they gave two inferior players big contracts instead
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling it now
no ‘get over it’ bullshit. get angry if you’re angry. There’s no benefit to ‘moving on’. Look to the past to be pissed and learn from it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like some sophisticated philosopher
by sin on Jul 1, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or just a blogger looking to promote comments...
I mean I am still pretty pissed the dynasty was broken up after ’98…or that the Bulls lost Jay Williams for nothing…or that Brand was traded for a high school kid…or that BG, oh wait, the Bulls tried to sign BG and he rejected their offers….
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
(sorry, accidentally read you comment when I said I wouldn't)
they were accidentally expanded.
But yeah, I’ll probably ban you for that. I can’t stand anyone going after my intentions when I’m simply writing what I feel. As a fan of a basketball team on a blog. I know to have ‘perspective’ in terms of real life.
So yeah, fuck you D2.0.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
you can be a pretty scary guy there matt…..
Banhammer indeed….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone expresses emotions in a different way
So express it, your “friendly” bulls blogger…
Fuck me.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that an apology?
are you just writing to piss me off like apparently I write to make people comment?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'll let you say
to see if you can say anything interesting now that you can’t troll Ben Gordon posts anymore, you humorless boring dope.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its like an apology.
I can see why you are pissed at what I wrote…didn’t mean it to sound the way it did…
Some things don’t need to be said…this topic is pretty incendiary, so there should be no apologies made for the emotions posted in this thread…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We make enough of a profit
to where we could pay the tax and still be profitable
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cap wasn't teh issue
Luxury tax was. Ed’s point being that the Bulls could have pulled the extra 10M out of their 280M profit made over the last 6 yrs
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't have meant shit when it came time to out right sign a free agent and they couldnt cuz BG
was hogging all the dough.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing BG would not have affected 2010 cap space
if they were willing to pay luxury tax this year they could have had both. Hell if they traded Kirk before the deadline they could have had both AND possibly avoided LT
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for writing the script to every sports radio show tomorrow
The ignorance will keep you warm at night.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead Deng is hogging it.
And we only have Rose and Noah to make us look attractive. Which likely won’t be enough.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how much money do the bulls have for free agency this year?
10 mil?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NONE
don’t people get this?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
caps lock on accident my bad
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
minus the million to the White Flag
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
white flag??
oh, gray. fuck.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we lose the #3 pick in the 2004 NBA Draft for nothing in return
Great job, Bulls! What is this franchise’s record since 1998, again?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That does suck
But the Bulls offered him a fair deal the last two years. So he got 5 million dollars more by waiting two years. But he could have already been playing on the third year of a 5 year 50 million dollar deal. And gotten out of that deal two years younger and gotten another big pay day.
Blame the Bulls all you want. But a lot of this is on BG and his ego. Him and Reinsdorf had a penis war to see who had the bigger one and now both parties lose out.
I wonder how this is going to work for the Pistons. BG and Charlie V? So…..I guess D is no longer a staple of the new Pistons. I wonder if a Celtic-Piston trade will be revisited. Stuckey, Prince and Hamilton for Ray Allen’s expiring contract and Rajon Rondo. It would give them a small backcourt but Ray Allen’s contract would give them a lot of cap space for 2010.
Right now. I don’t see how BG fits in with the Pistons. 11 million for a bench player? A starter on the Bulls, but if the Pistons keep Hamilton then Gordon is on the bench.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very good point
In retrospect, turning down the Bulls offers the last 2 years doesn’t make that much monetary sense when you consider the 7 year timeframe
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bullshitter!
Nice to see a name from the old days.
Anyway, I don’t think Ben missed out on anything. In fact, by my calculations, he made quite a bit more money
The Bulls offered 5/50 as an extension in 2007. That would have meant he made about $55M over the last year of his rookie deal and the five years of his extension.
Then he turned down 6/$54M last summer and took the 1 yr QO instead.
If he got $5/55M from the Pistons, this is the total breakdown:
5/$50 6/$54 5/$55 2007 2008 2009 2007 $4.88 $4.88 $4.88 2008 $8.33 $7.20 $6.40 2009 $9.20 $7.96 $9.50 2010 $10.1 $8.71 $10.3 2011 $10.9 $9.47 $11.0 2012 $11.8 $10.2 $11.8 2013 ???? $10.9 $12.5 $55.3 $59.4 $66.4
Thus, he’s made himself about $7M extra vs. last year’s offer. Vs. the initial $5/50M extension from 2007, we don’t know because we don’t know what he would have made in 2013 under that scenario, but he’d have to make at least $11M to break even.
In short, Ben did quite a bit better by turning down the Bulls initial extension and then getting stiffed by them last summer.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
are you thinking of bullshooter
although this can be the same person, the username is different….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think I'm thinking of a guy who used to post on bbb.net
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh okay my fault then
carry on….(or something)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry newbie here
didn’t know I cannibalized someone’s old user name. :-)
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG will be 31 when this contract runs out. He wouldve been 29 when the other
contract ran out. Much more likely to get a second big pay day at 29 than 31. But you never know. But the difference between 5 years and 50 million and 5 years and 55 million, isn’t that much. And Gordon could’ve had this security two years ago. What if he had gotten injured? Or his production went down? He was taking a big gamble that he would get more than 5 years at 50 million.
My point was that the Bulls did make a fair offer to BG. So it is not all their fault. It’s not like BG ended up making 13-14 million a year.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's only a 1 year contract difference, so you can't have a 2 year age difference!
If he’d done 5/50 in 07, then he’d be a FA at age 30 in 2012.
If he’d signed last year’s 6/54 contract offer, he’d be 31 in 2013.
Under the Pistons deal, he’ll be 31 in 2013.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we certain players don't age faster as Bulls?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
just saved me some time right there, I knew it was very comparable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls got more than 7000 points in return
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Time
1. Michael Jordan* 29277
2. Scottie Pippen 15123
3. Bob Love 12623
4. Jerry Sloan 10233
5. Chet Walker 9788
6. Artis Gilmore 9288
7. Reggie Theus 8279
8. Ben Gordon 7372.
9. Horace Grant 6866
10. Norm Van Lier 6505
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and they let him go for nothing in return
Pretty stupid to let such a great scorer go without getting anything back, isn’t it?
Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what aggravates me the most.
Letting him go is not a big issue for me, but letting him just go for nothing seems incredibly fucking stupid. Really stupid the more I think about it, actually.
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they had traded him he would not have made clutch shots
against the celtics in the playoffs.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes!
I forgot how glamorous a 1st round exit was this season. Good thing they kept him!
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:) Good point
Those were some awesome games though. Maybe Brad Miller would have hit those 3s if Ben Gordon had been traded somehow for Amar’e.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love nonsensical arguments
They make my own much more valid
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its like 2000 & 2002 all over again...
Except we got three good years out of this pick…next it will be the ’06 pick for nothing…oh wait, we already traded Thabo for a pick that netted Taj Gibson, which may as well be nothing.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LETS RIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ATTENTION:
What’s up with all the swearing & cursing over B.G. We never won a thing with him, everybody knew He had a chance 2 leave . Money talks B.s. walk’s . Be happy that The Bull’s got the # 1 pick last year . DAM u can’t have it all, give me some inside help first . Then will get better has a team. They had 2 many guard’s . He had a chance with the Bull’s 2 sign that contract with the team 2yr’s ago. It will be ok.
by gaingrene on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did AngryAndy get another screen name?
by arjoseph on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nicely done, rec for you
and rec for basically any angryandy reference. love that guy
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is...
the Pistons just screwed themselves. Unless they pull off a trade then they just gave themselves the same problem the Bulls have had. Too many guards and not enough playing time.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad you guys are here to comment
I’ve been away for 45 minutes or so, calmed down a bit, now I read some shit here and am even angrier than I was when it started. :-D (crazy grin)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just pissed that it doesn't even seem like the org cares
about pleasing the fans. can we just go into the lux tax for once since MJ left? If we trade (ie. salary dump) Kirk we’d still have money to get Bosh or Amare next summer and w/ BG on the team we’d score about 125 a game. It would be fun as hell. Too bad JR always ruins fun shit (ie. D’Antoni last summer)
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This did please a lot of fans.
Not many here really, but then again not every fan (or coach) can spell Kirk’s name right either. The radio fandom should all be a-buzz about how great JR is for getting rid of that selfish midget. Kurt Heinrich to the rescue!
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For that matter...
I don’t think Vinny has ever called Kirk by his name. He calls him Kurt at every opportunity.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 1, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should've learned how they felt about pleasing fans
when the “organization” broke up a championship dynasty in 1998. As long as JR owns this team nothing will ever change and he will continue to make money.
by bigballa10 on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I’m not angry but I am disappointed.
I’m not happy that the Bulls haven’t made the moves they could have made. Losing Gordon doesn’t make me angry but losing him for nothing? There were sign and trades on the table last year!
But this signing by Detriot will bite them in the ass. It’s my opinion the contract they gave him and how he plays will hurt them in the long run. I’ve said it before, Gordon is just like Big Dog, Glen Rice, JR Rider, Antonio Walker. You don’t give these players big contracts but they will give you wins. If Gordon was going to play for NY I would say different because of their system.
Its one of those things that your not happy it happened but your kinda of glad it did. What will make me angry will be if we do not move Hinrich or if one of Amare or Bosh are traded and we are not involved.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There were sign and trades on the table last year!
There were?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to his agent.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh,
it must be the truth then.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
Glen Robinson?? Antonio Davis (who???) don’t desecrate BGs by comparing him to them
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll always remember how short Ben Gordon was...
… something like 5’10" right?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am
angrily typing while holding down shift…
i dont know what im gonna do with my signed ben gordon bulls jersey
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sell it to someone in detroit
nevermind, none of them have jobs or money
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even name one person on the Chicago Sky...
Umm… Juanita… Something?
Aunt Jemima?
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Football
Basketball is better and more fun.
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of all this is no one is going to want to sign with the bulls because they know that the
organization is not going to do whats best for the team to win. Back to the Jerry Krause era.
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How was locking all your money up in BG7 best for the team?
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never read about us making a contract offer to Ben
for “All of Our Money.”
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lost him for nothing.
We could have signed him and made some other moves to clear some salary.
This is for you guys that are ok with this. “Go Hinrich”
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we have the money
to match those big aaron guy offer sheets that are coming in
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard he got a whole Midlevel offer
Not!
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 corner hustler's .
Love all chicago sport’s.
by gaingrene on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all 4 team's . what are u talking about
by gaingrene on Jul 1, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 corner hustlers
is a chicago gang.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo!
I’m sure that the sports preference of a drug dealing and murdering gang of thieves doesn’t count for much.
Lord... please let the Bears pick a good WR at #49....
by kidronmusic on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy for Ben
After getting jerked around for the Bulls the last two summers, he found a franchise that wanted him so much that they made him a big offer on the first day of free agency (and maybe before, if you believe the rumors). Everybody likes to be wanted, so it had to be a breath of fresh air for Ben after dealing with the games Reinsdorf likes to play in negotiations. Unlike some players in a contract year, he was a complete pro last season, even playing hurt in the playoffs on the eve of free agency (and then being ripped by stupid fans for struggling). And let’s face it, Joe Dumars is a hell of a lot more likely to put together a championship contender than the idiots running this franchise.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumars hasn't made a good move since he failed at drafting Darko. LOL.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is their record the last decade?
And what is the Bulls record?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls have been
“rebuilding” since 1998. The Pistons are at that weird stage now where things are in transition, but I think we are so used to dealing with JR we forget that other teams don’t have our same handicap when it comes to getting things done.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares abt their record? They won one championship and failed at any other time since 2004.
The Pistons were competitive but I don’t see how signing BG makes them a better team.
And yeah Reinsdorf can be cheap but um Hinrich got paid, Nocioni got paid, Deng got aid, Ben Wallance got paid…so wtf! He’s giving money to the players, BG just wasn’t worth it, I liked him, didn’t want to see him go but I was ready for it.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Wallace and Nocioni were worth the money?!?!
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time they were
and theyre now gone so hey…but they got paid.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, they were never worth the money, as the results showed.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, clearly winning 30-40 games a year is better than going to the conference finals.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah a team on fumes trying to win and being shitted on each year
with no future. That was the Pistons then and that is them now with Gordon and V. It’s silly.
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to a team not trying to win getting shitted on every year?
This franchise has “accomplished” one thing the last 11 years – getting Derrick Rose. And that was complete luck, not because of anything the Bulls did.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True.
Reinsdorf needs to realize that life is NOT all about money… Its about… living.
When Reinsforf passes away years from now… that money will be of no use to him. Why not use your money to create a dynasty and give the Chicago people something to hope for?
Something to cheer for? Why must EVERYTHING be about MONEY!
I blame… capitalism.
by 420man! on Jul 1, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
duuuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddddeeeee your
username goes perfectly with that statment
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reinsdorf only cares
about stashing away his profits from the Bulls and putting into his real passion — the White Sox
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And garbage hockey franchises in Phoenix
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the Gar Paxdorf
whining.
He didn’t give us enough time to make an offer. And the Pistons tampered with him before Free Agency started.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry guys!
Bruce Bowen is still available!
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Whoops, technically not.
But Jamal Crawford can exercise their player option and come to the Bulls
The second coming of JC is upon us!
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL (and rec'd)
Taller than Ben Gordon – check.
Plays better defense than Ben Gordon – check.
Will not demand more than Reinsdorf is willing to pay him – check.
Will not try to accept Bulls’ offers, thus making the Bulls have to tell him the offer is no longer available – check.
He MUST be the answer at shooting guard!
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever...
We get Hossa, they get Gordon. I mean technically we come out on top
Back - 2 - the - Dynasty
by wrhc59 on Jul 1, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
(yes, I know it’s hockey. next hockey reference gets removed)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Hawks,
but you’re right, fuck hockey right now. All I care about is that our best player since MJ left is now a fucking Piston. I’m pissed.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole Aldrich
He’s big, white and goofy looking. He stayed an extra year so that we could have shot at him. He must be ours.
by drosekillsall on Jul 1, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least the bulls have Tyrus Thomas as a restricted free agent
after this season. There’s always somebody to make low ball offers to.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they can offer him an early extension now
maybe he’ll turn it down and Reinsdorf will say midseason that he heard Tyrus regretted it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then when we have to choose
between Miller and Tyrus we can offer Miller the 6 year 71 million dollar extension
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are more upset at the fact that we lost him for nothing than his actual departure.
You know what really gets me?
The pundits who ask, “Where are the Bulls gonna find those 20 points per game they’re losing?”
Umm, well when Gordon isn’t playing, it usually means someone else is and chances are he’ll score around 10 or so a game.
And the extra possessions that BG would leave behind would go to well established players as well. For example, more shots for Salmons, Deng and of course Tyrus and Derrick.
They won’t have that much trouble replacing his points.
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know I am
Ben obviously has his flaws, but Jesus, if you don’t want to give him big money then do a sign-and-trade last summer. The way they dithered around like idiots, making him a offer last summer, pulling the offer when he accepts it, and then not even bothering to make him an offer this time. The indecisiveness of this franchise pisses me off. They have no plan whatsoever.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and the refusal to overpay the one guy
who was actually scoring… which is the point of the game.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the words of John Madden, "the team that scores the most points
usually wins the game." God, I hate this franchise sometimes
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this time
ive been preached by people that defense wins games….how were all those people so wrong…john madden has all the answers, just play any of the recent madden games and bask in his glorious advice….man is a genius….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I think your brain is melting.John Madden a genius, eh.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh your read me wrong
I was being sarcastic through and through
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
I hate sarcasm on the internet sometimes.
Minus rec for me!
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of John Madden
You guys signed him today.. As a Devils fan, enjoy. He’s getting old, but still a solid player, and I still think he should be solid defensively in the playoffs. After the Hawks day today, I think they’re bound for the Stanley Cup Finals next year.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im like
totally missing all of your references here….umm what the hell are you talking about (im really confused)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blackhawks signed Marian Hossa
Stanley Cup baby!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jul 1, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhh
i really have to start watching hockey….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll make up for his loss
Defensive improvement is what this team needs more than anything, not scoring.
BG will be loved but no missed
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's improving defensively exactly?
And who’s coaching them into this improvement?
by potato0328 on Jul 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said it's what this team needs. Not what this team has.
His point was that signing BG does not solve the Bulls main problems. Low post scoring. Defense. And to your point….logical coaching.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say this
I’m not predicting any major improvement defensively onto one player but you have to think players like Rose, Deng, Thomas and Noah are all still growing into better all around players, defense included.
But I’ll tell you this, losing you biggest liability on defense won’t hurt as a start in the right direction
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our biggest liability on defense? Vinny was fired?
All right!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To his credit
And I don’t back VDN regularly, but it’s not his fault that our starting back court were the two biggest liabilities
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls D will still suck
You need to look at VDN and not Gordon for the source of that problem.
I think people will be surprised by how much the Bulls miss Ben.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually know exactly what we're losing
And I won’t be surprised.
You act like I haven’t watched this team religiously for the past few years
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have yet to see that VDN is leaving.
So the defense is still DOA. I doubt BG being on the team was the reason our defense wasn’t there. BG was on the team when our defense was one of the best on the league. BG leaving won’t fix anything with our defense as long as we have VDN in charge.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It might turn out fine.
I just don’t know why they are gambling on Salmons keeping up his abnormally good play or Deng staying healthy. Our offense has a lot of ?? around it. It might be fine, but we need stars to align when it comes to our outside shooting. I’d rather we were a little smarter with our assets. Noc has given us more returns in his departure than BG. That is crazy.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that was a 2010 move
We better see something happen then. Get us Bosh or something. Because if we end up with another Ron mercer / Jalen Rose or whatever that would be a great waste of clutchness
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ironic that by signing Wallace from Pistons we lost Ben to them
BG wanted to be the highest paid player because he scored the most points. Not the best logic but apparently a lot of people on here think that it is sound logic. When the Bulls signed Ben Wallace, a one dimensional aging player, for 4 years and 60 million, BG looked at that and said. OK, they should be paying me around that.
So he rejected the perfectly sane offer of 5 years and 50 million dollars. Thinking that he was worth about 12 million a year if not more. Certainly as much as Ben Wallace got. Considering they are both one dimensional players. So if the Bulls never signed Ben Wallace to that contract, I believe BG would still be a Bull.
However, I am neither sad nor happy that he is gone. But I really can’t believe how angry people are getting over this. He wasn’t an all-star. He never will be. He should not be a team’s best player because that just means that you don’t have a very good team. By not sgining Ben the Bulls give themselves the option of being able to sign someone who has actually played in an allstar game. Be it Bosh, Stoudemire, or Wade.
While the Bulls have made some dumb moves in the past. This doesn’t rank up there. It certainly isn’t ahead of trading Elton Brand (20-10 guy) for Tyson Chandler. Or even trading Tyson Chandler (after signing Ben Wallace) for JR Smith, who is pretty much a taller Ben Gordon, and then trading JR smith for a bag of peanuts.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was always going to get complicated come pay day.
I don’t really blame the players much at all. The Bulls enjoyed their rookie contracts but were not smart when the time to pay them came. They paid guys they liked. Over valued role players. Didn’t let guys go in time and then let a talent guy go for nothing. I am kind of interested in how Portland gets out of the similar problem. A lot of it seems avoidable and it all falls on JR and the game.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Portland and OKC
Have a lot to learn from the Bulls mistakes. It looks as if Portland has learned nothing and Kevin Pritchard is starting to fall in love with himself. How they got nothing for Raef Lafrentz, I’ll never know. The Blazers have the money to keep all their players and go into lux tax. They have Paul Allen as their owner and a very loyal fan base.
OKC is another story. I could see Durant bolting for a bigger market.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bigger market you say...
…how does chicago sound?
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Jul 1, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that is completely unsurprising
Things that irk me about this in bullet form:
1) Letting talent go for nothing demonstrating organizational incompetence and no plan.
2) Bulls believing BG is the least valuable of Kirk/Deng/BG demonstrating organizational incompetence.
3)Having had to listen to the Paxdorf BS about resigning Gordon when they had no intention of doing so.
I look forward to the Bulls talk about getting under the cap for 2010 when in actuality they aren’t going to get any of those guys or even really go after them very hard.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless Ben was going to match up against Lebron for the next 5yrs. as a Bull,
It really won’t matter . Blame Paxon first then move down the line .
by gaingrene on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't even get me started on TY Thomas
That guy has to go. But at least he just missed on Brandon Roy instead of Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the NBA site, about BG going to Detroit:
“Ben agreed to come here knowing he would come off the bench,” the source said. “That makes it completely different than Iverson coming here … Gordon is choosing to come here and play the super sub role.”
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 1, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Ben doesn't care about coming off the bench.
Now that he is being paid like a starter. Who cares if he starts or not?
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never threw fits when he came off the bench for us.
Duhon starting spoke for itself.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And people wonder why he left
What a terrible insult that was.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what about at the end of the game?
No way is Ben cool with sitting. I guess he’s your point guard with Rip at the 2? Hello turnover!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol. I predict
Ben over-dribbles and lets Rip keep running around screens until he dies of exhaustion
by Bullshitter on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, that selfish egomaniac!
Of course, I still think they’re gonna trade Rip
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wanted to start
To eventually get paid.
Well done
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who were we going to start at SG who was better than Gordon this year?
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about all the other years Gordon was subbing?
See, that’s the real point.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Gordon for $11mil to come of the bench, not smart!
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make Kirk @ 9.5 mil
off the bench look like a bargain!
by torch on Jul 1, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The bright side is we still have Deng locked up for 5 years $60 million!
by MrBungle on Jul 1, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We also have our backup point guard locked up for $9 million a year!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our new shooting guard you mean?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Salmons, I assume
If not, get ready to hear him bitching. The guy hates to come off the bench anyways, so I can’t imagine how he would react to coming off the bench in a contract year.
Besides, Hinrich isn’t actually a shooting guard.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remind me to never call you in to talk jumpers off of ledges.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 1, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will miss you Ben Gordon
Your ability to take over a game was unbelievea-bull. So what if you couldn’t play defense, you outscored the guy you were guarding by 15 points. I think the Bulls tried to put the writing on the wall for you this year, and you once again dominated in the playoffs. Adieu.
by airnjp on Jul 1, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bye Ben
Dear Ben
You finally got the money you wanted. It’s a shame that you didn’t get that offer from the Bulls, but you know, Reinsdorf is a cheap dumbass. So, I wish you luck in this new adventure, but I hope you never win a shit. It’s nothing against you, the problem is that I hate the Pistons. Keep playing as you know in every game and make sure you suck against the Bulls.
by bull83 on Jul 1, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck this team!
Gar and Pax have a trade to make and some planing to do
Homecoming
by illwill on Jul 1, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben, little Ben, who will Detroit most remember in years 2 come
by gaingrene on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Naw he'd only be the Bulls killer if they signed him for $11 mil
by Playboy_Bull on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be fun watching Derrick Rose or Salmons attempt to defend Gordon next season.
I look for a few revenge 35+ pt games for Gordon against the Bulls.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will hurt to be on the receiving end of those clutch shots
but it would be comedy gold to see Vinny yells at Ben on the sidelines when he shoots
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
by Teri on Jul 1, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is going to be fun watching Gordon attempt to guard Rose.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, according to you all he doesn't play defense anyway.
So it becomes a scoring contest. And in that battle, give me Gordon all day long.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
People are forgetting Gordon doesn’t get shut down. He might have an off night, but usually that doesn’t have anything to do with the defense. He shoots over everyone. Unless Kirk uses his Wade-arm-breaking-defense I don’t see why he’d have any problem against us. Not something I am looking forward to seeing…I liked his pretty shooting on our team.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL @ "Wade-arm-breaking-defense"... !
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will also be fun to watch Rose break Gordon’s ankle
by bull83 on Jul 1, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rose will finish next season as the 3rd best PG in the league.
I think he’ll be an all-star next season…and I’m certain he’ll break BG’s ankles or anyone else who gets too close too him (as Andre Miller…LOL). But people have it all wrong with Gordon. It’s not his fault he was the best player on the team for the last 4 or 5 yrs. The Bulls failed to put a superstar caliber player in the lineup that would have allowed the 20 ppg Gordon gave them to be complimentary…and instead the Bulls dumped money into Deng like he was that superstar. Gordon would be a far more dangerous 3rd option (with Rose and the acquired superstar being 1st and 2nd) than Deng. Gordon is downright lethal offensively and he would have helped cause so much havoc and damn near made the Bulls indefensible if the Bulls had acquired a real star level player.
But like I said before, we really can’t judge this move until next summer. If D-Wade ends up a Bull next summer then this move is a RESOUNDING success (granted we get a healthy D-Wade). If the stars all go somewhere else and thumb their noses at the Bulls then this move was terrible.
Here’s to hoping Derrick Rose turns in an all-star season. Because he moreso than anyone will be what convinces the stars to come to Chicago at this point.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now it's more important than ever to not repeat the summer of 2000!!
The Bulls ABSOLUTELY MUST sign D-Wade next summer. With the Bulls so willing to part with Gordon, Bulls fans can only hope this clears the way for a D-Wade signing and a Luol Deng/Tyrus Thomas/spare parts trade for Chris Bosh. If those things happen, then Gordon walking could be franchise altering in a good way. If not though, then the Bulls could be back to square one.
I still don’t understand how the Bulls let an asset like Gordon just walk for nothing. A number 3 pick who actually produced…and the Bulls let him walk for nothing. I hope there is a grand plan that comes to fruition.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. This move will be judged next summer.
If nothing happens. Then this was a horrible move. If what you mentioned above happens or something similar to it. Then this is a great movie.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is....Deng, Tyrus and Hinrich will be gone. I believe that. They are the last of the old core.
Rose and Noah along with whomever else will form a new core. Wade would be a nice addition. I will wait and see. I don’t think the Bulls are finished. I think they knew Ben would be gone and have prepared for it. I see Hinirch traded this summer and Deng/Tyrus traded for a big splash.
The plot has definitely thickened, but I think management made it clear that they are going to remake the team around Rose.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so for all the jokers who question taking more money to live in Detroit
Wade is going to take less (and more highly taxed!) money to live in Chicago instead of Miami?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wade is from Chicago
The Bulls are a lot better than Miami. If Miami can get Bosh then Wade will stay. But there are a lot of suitors out there and the Heat suck right now. Wade has carried that team. Wade already is highly marketable, but imagine how much more it would be in Chicago.
You can never know someone’s motivations for signing with a team.
Ben probably signed with the Pistons because they went after him. Where as the Bulls were like, “See what you can get and come back to us. If we want to we’ll match it. If not, good luck.”
So who knows why Wade might sign with the Bulls. Shaq went out from Orlando to LA.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq went when there were different rules
I believe Miami had a better seed than us last season.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't expect big things next summer
We don’t have talent enough to convince Wade to sign with us. If we really want him to come, we need to pair Bosh and Rose now. Hopefully, the two make a great season together and show Wade that the three can win a lot of championships. Otherwise, I just don’t see how we can get him or another big 2010 FA with this roster
by bull83 on Jul 1, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are Miami and Toronto any better?
Or NYC for that matter? I bet we win as many games this year as we did last year. Not that we were that good last year, but even bringing Gordon back doesn’t make us a championship team. This doesn’t even make Detroit a championship team. Wonder who they are going to get for upfront. Need some D up there.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the question
They might not be better next year, but if the Bulls suck, Wade will end up staying in Miami and Bosh might end up there, since most of the players of the US Olympic team want to play together…
by bull83 on Jul 2, 2009 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We just got a lot crappier as a team,
but we’re not doomed just yet. Free agency just started, and we have plenty of time for making deals before the season starts. The Bulls have some pieces that could be valuable on the market (Hinrich, Tyrus, and Miller’s expiring contract being the big three that jump to mind), so this clusterfuck could be cleaned up yet.
That being said, if the Bulls fail to “do some changes” that make a difference, as AA might say, I’ll only have one thing to say to Gar Paxdorf: booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
by T-Boogie on Jul 1, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's hilarious. I was wondering what Piston fans thought of this.
What’s the opposite of “The Grass is always greener on the other side?” The dirts always shitty no matter where you are? That’s really funny that people in Detroit are just as pissed about Ben Gordon coming to the Pistons as people here are about him leaving.
by paxdorf on Jul 1, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll sing a different tune when Gordon is dropping 20+ ppg for them.
Be it as a starter or off the bench.
I happen to think Gordon will work nicely with Stuckey and Hamilton (although I doubt the Pistons are done tinkering). Stuckey and Hamilton are 6’5" and 6’7" respectively and can defend the big guards while leaving Gordon to fend against the smaller guys.
All of a sudden Gordon isn’t the only guy with an aggressive mentality (Stuckey) and capable of averaging 20 pts (Hamilton).
BTW, anybody notice how the Seattle area has turned out several nice players in the last couple years (Stuckey, Nate Robinson, Marvin Williams, Martell Webster, Terrance Williams, Jamal Crawford, Aaron Brooks, Brandon Roy, Jason Terry, Spencer Hawes, and there are a couple big time college freshmen to be from that area as well). It’s all of a sudden a hotbed of basketball talent.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Pistons are still
pissed at AI. BG is not going to be another AI and they’ll figure it out soon enough.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Michael Jackson and now this.
WTF
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy..the Detroit Press Conference...when Gordon holds up that Detriot Jersey.....
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zack Randolph got traded to Memphis for Quentin Richardson
Ha!
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is that Memphis trades Gasol to the Lakers for salary cap reasons
But take on Randolphs?
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid trade by memphis
what the hell are they doing??
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD
Once again the Chris Wallace corollary proves itself
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys remember
That we didn’t want to give, Deng, Hinrich and Tabo for Kobe?
sigh
I’m just pissed right now and I was going through all the trades Pax was too scared of doing.
The Garnett trade, the Gasol trade on and on and on…
argh.
by Outsidergua on Jul 1, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by we do you mean they?
Or you? I would have traded everyone.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me that the clock is not ticking on a Deng/Tyrus Thomas deal.
If the Heat make an offer of Beasley/spare parts to the Raptors and they agree to it, then that dashes the Bulls hopes of getting either Bosh or Wade in2010…and that is a nightmare scenario.
So the Bulls should be working the phones as we speak. What do you guys think?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? The Bulls are probably going to get second tier free agents in 2010......sorry to break it to you.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only this
but Tyrus will probably be given away for a sack of marbles.
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is tyrus really worth anything more than a sack of marbles at the moment?
hopefully he comes out strong at the start of the season so we can deal him at the deadline for Bosh
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two excellent predictions in this thread
1) 2nd tier FA signing in 2010
2) Ty Thomas given away (I’m thinking JR Smith style)
Welcome to the future of the Bulls..ugh.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ain't breakin' shit to me.
I fully expect Bulls management to talk a big game then drop the bar and go land a Morris Peterson or somebody like that and try to sell him to us as the missing piece in a championship team.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 2, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the propaganda machine starts
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls_blog/2009/07/ben-gordon-to-leave-bulls-for-pistons.html
Ben Gordon is a good player butttttt
-He’s a loner doesn’t hang out with teammates
-He’s obviously only in it for the money
-He’ll never win in Detroit
-dont worry we have Salmons/Hinrich
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's not the money that Gordon's in for
it’s the respect
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't blame anyone
who wanted to not work for JR.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this shows Bulls have no class at all
instead spreading propagandas, they should have been trying to match the offer
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
by Teri on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Smith is already on the payroll
Gordon isn’t. It’s cheaper for Sam to just write about him
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we get to experience the ben gordon traveling machine
He’s up there with pierce as games best moonwalker, Gordon was too short now the cards are falling in place for us to get Wade.
by armstrong2389 on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Wade likes snow and paying taxes?
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade won't come here
after the way we treated BG, who would? Welcome to NBA purgatory. The they’re running this franchise, we’ll be lucky to get Rose on an extension in the next few years.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do Hinrich and Deng make more than BG?
This freaking organization is shit! Without Rose they would be Memphis or some shit.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i predict 50pts by bg when he returns to chicago
by sin on Jul 1, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and Salmons and Hinrich
Combine for 60…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 1, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'nut dance' for vinny?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take that bet
well depending on whos on the roster…..ive always been waiting for a kirk hinrich vs ben gordon showdown, the bulls ultimate per. offense vs the bulls ultimate per. defense…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit, I am perplexed.
Immediately accepting the Pistons’ offer without waiting for a reaction from the Bulls isn’t exactly orthodox (or effective) negotiation strategy.
It will be interesting to see if the Bulls management had already communicated their maximum parameters to Gordon’s camp, or if they in fact made a counteroffer which was rejected.
I have to assume that the Bulls front office has a long-range plan, but I am not sure what it is at this juncture.
I won’t judge this offseason until I see what other acquisitions the Bulls make.
Finally, though it is disappointing to lose Gordon to the Pistons, I am not ready to give up on the team yet. Rose was the number one overall pick. Rose was rookie of the year. Rose is the franchise player. Rose is the future. He was, is, and always will be vastly better than Gordon. Rose is the foundation upon which a championship will be built. Ten years from now, we might regard this loss as something akin to trading Oakley.
"We're gonna hire a motherf*cking coach with NO experience? Not as an NBA head coach, not as an NBA assistant, not as an assistant’s assistant, not as a college coach, not as a high school coach, not as f*cking grade school coach, not as a coach of the Lovabulls, not as a coach of the towel boys, not even as a coach of a dynasty on Playstation. Nothing. Really? Really, Pax?" - 1958ChiTown's Initial Reaction to the Hiring of Vinny Del Negro, posted on June 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 1, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, see you in 2019?
and I’m pissed to have to wait until 2010!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha you have season tickets next year
that sucks!
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am trying to maintain some perspective.
It helps me harbor some semblance of optimism.
Next year doesn’t look very promising, though.
"We're gonna hire a motherf*cking coach with NO experience? Not as an NBA head coach, not as an NBA assistant, not as an assistant’s assistant, not as a college coach, not as a high school coach, not as f*cking grade school coach, not as a coach of the Lovabulls, not as a coach of the towel boys, not even as a coach of a dynasty on Playstation. Nothing. Really? Really, Pax?" - 1958ChiTown's Initial Reaction to the Hiring of Vinny Del Negro, posted on June 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, were going to be a 7th seed next year
watch out for these bulls
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were a 7th seed with ben gordon this year and we still have vinny at the helm
I don’t know how much more you can expect
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to start a thread
detailing all of the hours that DR is spending in the gym this offseason improving his strength, defensive positioning, and shooting.
It’s the only antidote to this thread. LOL.
"We're gonna hire a motherf*cking coach with NO experience? Not as an NBA head coach, not as an NBA assistant, not as an assistant’s assistant, not as a college coach, not as a high school coach, not as f*cking grade school coach, not as a coach of the Lovabulls, not as a coach of the towel boys, not even as a coach of a dynasty on Playstation. Nothing. Really? Really, Pax?" - 1958ChiTown's Initial Reaction to the Hiring of Vinny Del Negro, posted on June 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone doubts that Rose is good.
But many good players wasted away on crap teams over the years.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well Rose is special
he could always leave in a few years for a contender, I wouldn’t blame him
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stiill hoping for wade
next year
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I am saying is that the following
hypothetical starting lineup isn’t exactly horrendous. It isn’t championship material, but it isn’t hopeless either. JMO. I am trying to be positive.
Rose
Salmons
Deng
Tyrus
Noah
"We're gonna hire a motherf*cking coach with NO experience? Not as an NBA head coach, not as an NBA assistant, not as an assistant’s assistant, not as a college coach, not as a high school coach, not as f*cking grade school coach, not as a coach of the Lovabulls, not as a coach of the towel boys, not even as a coach of a dynasty on Playstation. Nothing. Really? Really, Pax?" - 1958ChiTown's Initial Reaction to the Hiring of Vinny Del Negro, posted on June 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 1, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it really isn't bad
but it could be much bettter if we signed gordon
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read on other boards
that the Bulls didn’t offer him anything. I’m waiting to get something more official on that before throwing more fuel on my rage.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the bulls weren't willing to match the offer
and they waited for the pistons to make the first offer, so they didn’t make an official offer
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
though there were reports that gordon was going to call them after meeting with dumars.
so who knows.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 1, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we probably really low balled that offer
if we actually did make an offer
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like
5year/45 million or something like that
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH SHIT.....ChiTown the wounds are too fresh for what you just said.....expect a flood of responses.
This is a day of mourning. Let them have their peace please. This is Gordon Matrix…..the mind has trouble letting go.
by Bart71 on Jul 1, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except we didn't lose Oakley for nothing.
So trading away a popular player is materially different from flubbing up negotiations for 3 years straight and failing to sign the best scorer on your team and losing him for nothing. I’m just saying.
There’s theoretically nothing wrong with trying to put a positive spin on it. But the Bulls treated Gordon like an afterthought starting three years ago.
And telling him the offer was off the table after he came back and tried to accept it—I’m sorry, but that was shades of the Horace Grant “handshake deal” all over again. It was just shitty.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it is
The Bulls showed no interest in paying that much money over the course of two years. Gordon actually tried to agree to a smaller deal from the Bulls only to have them pull it off the table.
Those are the facts even if you don’t believe the various other nonsense he’s had to put up here. And I don’t see it in Gordon’s interest to waste his time getting told he’s not worth it one more time on the way out the door.
by Sports2 on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry you guys lost Gordon
But I’m glad Gordon got the payday his play earned, and that he didn’t have to come back and beg the Bulls management team, who fucked with his role endlessly and never gave him the respect he deserved after taking a backseat for the team.
I think Gordon fits the Bulls more than the Pistons, so I’m not sure what the Pistons are doing, but I’m bummed you guys lost your guy. That is lame.
Even if the Bulls offered to match it, I doubt he’d accept it. He probably feels he has to move on.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to, if I could
But, he’s too good and cheap and young, and too much invested in bringing him over to give away.
And ya can’t trust anything ya hear from Spain until it has been verified thrice over. Their sports media is ridiculous. Our Spanish friends on Blazers Edge say they haven’t ever heard him say anything close to what was reported. He got exactly what he wanted— minutes, trust from the coach, and a solid role.
Casey Holdahl from Blazers.com is over there right now, and Rudy is at a kids camp having fun. He didn’t seem to be steaming over anything.
Maybe he hates Hedo, and who can blame him? He looks like a sad turtle. But I doubt the reports are accurate, since nuthin’ but lies comes out of the sports media over there.
If I could, I would love to help you guys out though.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. May I suggest
you conveniently find and publicize JR in an embarrassing scandal of some sort? Any scandal will do.
Sorry, JR, but you’re all wrong on this one. And I’m just expressing how I feel about you right now.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the point in watching next season..
the goal isn’t to win.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dunkin donuts
if we score 100, but that’s not going to happen much without our leading scorer
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you want to see Derrick continue to grow?:
Same for Tyrus and Joakim.
Wanna see if Deng is back?
Wanna see if Salmons is up to the task?
Wanna see if Bosh joins us?
And so on…
by Option27 on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
I wanna see rainbow threes and nut grabbing while the UC goes ape shit.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rose and Noah are pretty much my only reasons now.
I am hoping Noah starts where he left off in the playoffs. That would be sweet. I am going to have to take on tunnel vision to enjoy this team.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do I 'see' if Bosh joins us?
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.