The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Ben Gordon
[From the FanShots. More later, count on it. -ed.]
The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gordon, a source with knowledge of talks tells Y! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski
over 2 years ago
Sports2
778 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
FUCK U
lol im sorry..
im PISSED FUCK FUCK
STUPID BULLS, IF THEY DIDNT TRY TO MATCH
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Salaries, if the deal is as quoted
Age Year Annual Cumulative 26 Year 1 $9.5 $9.5 27 Year 2 $10.3 $19.8 28 Year 3 $11.0 $30.8 29 Year 4 $11.8 $42.6 30 Year 5 $12.5 $55.1
In other words, Ben just agreed to a contract that pays him exactly the same amount as Kirk Hinrich this year.
There was word that he would call Gar Forman to see if the Bulls would match the offer
has this happened yet. It was posted on the thread on Ben Gordon and Detroit in discussion.
I still don't get what Gordon brings to Detroit
They already have Rip on the books for $12 million a year for 4 more years.
who cares?
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
since they are in our division
It has a double effect – our loss and their gain. I think they would gain a lot more by a signing other than at the 2 so I just wonder what their thoughts are.
They can still get more guys
and Rip can be traded. Just because the Bulls are incompetent at getting things done doesn’t mean every other team is.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
in our division?
we’re not trying to win anything anytime soon. That was cemented today.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It has a double effect-our loss, their gain
It does have a double effect…
early reaction.
eat shit and die, Bulls.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
EAT SHIT AND DIE JR!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eat dye and Shit too JR
This fucking blows…..it’s like I knew it was happening for the last month or 2 month……but then it happens. God this sucks!!!!!!!
They better make a play for someone. Hedo could be nice, or Odom……spend some money, we need some fa’s.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can the moderator of this blog be such a drama queen?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see who all are drama queens as the Bulls vacillate the next 3 years in non playoff appearances and a frustrated D.Rose
Cursed Org. preaching ethics and living the opposite..
Anyone and Everyone is free to express one’s interests here, respectfully and passionately!
man up!
It is great we have Rose
but more than once great players wallowed away on meh teams. Rose can’t do everything. We are not bad enough to have any draft miracles and we are not good enough to have guys that can be traded for stars. It is really hard to be positive even with Rose there.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Unless your a hinrich fan
then you are STOOOPID (eh im not being totally serious when writing so dont take anything personally as i am also not taking anything personall, although i cant stop laughing at alot of the comments…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Ben's not worth
$11million per year. Bulls have been screwed with these big contracts to Hinrich and Deng. I liked BG7 but he’s not worth it.
I really hate to lose BG, but I agree with this argument
Why invest so much money in the backcourt? Ben’s good, but I’m not sure it’s worth it. Luol Deng was where this team really fucked themselves. If we didn’t have that douchebag we’d be in prime position to make some big time moves (if Reinsdorf ever feels like actually doing something)
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If we split our money between Deng and Gordon
back in the day they both would have been very tradable or even affordable if we decided to keep them. This makes me sad. :( Deng is too dull to hate, but his contract is wrecking things now. Darn you!
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Ben is worth that kind of money
He’s efficient as a scorer and underrated defensively. He’s not worth it though if we have Deng for 5 more years and $60M though……
Damn, BG over Deng anyday…
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
I'm not sure he's underrated defensively
but damn, this really, REALLY sucks monkey balls. FUCK JR and FUCK THE PISTONS.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny thing is, Gordon is the ONLY one of the Bulls old core (Hinrich, Deng, Gordon)...
…who is worth $10 – $11M/yr. This is a sad day. Not like the Bulls have lost MJ, but they’ve lost the second best Bull since MJ. The worst part is that Gordon is gone for NOTHING!!! As the deal stands now, the Bulls lost a #3 pick for NADA and that should NEVER happen to a team that has aspirations of competing.
And NOW Bulls fans have to watch Gordon compete against their team AS A PISTON!!! That’s the worst part!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably will lose a 2006 #2nd pick for nothing also?
Gordon will torch the Bulls, even moreso with the Bulls highly celebrated defensive specialist Hinrich trying to stop him! All the while point to the location where PaxsdorfGar hide during the games after every 3 ptr made
man up!
Gordon 5/55 and Deng 6/66
That almost makes sense.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Deng isn't worth that much
neither is Gordon
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i didn't want to pay him 11 million dollars a year.
kudos to him for finding someone willing to give it to him.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
and to those who doubted gordon would accept without hearing an offer from the bulls:
where are you now? i see nothing that says he waited to hear from them.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
how about those who've been saying for 2 years he'll never get close to $11m?
some teams pay for talent.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well i'm just saying that because i was having an argument with people earlier today
and i said that gordon owed them nothing and sure as hell didn’t have to wait for them to make an offer.
i have to admit i didn’t think he’d get the money, but i’m still not sorry we’re not the ones paying it.
i wanted to keep him for the right price.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
It's not uncommon for individuals to be wrong twice...
You did praise the Organization for the Deng’s contract?
man up!
i'm in the minority
that still doesn’t think that contract is that bad. one more season like this from him and i’ll agree.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Just because...
they’ll pay him $11 million doesn’t mean he’s worth $11 m or that the Bulls should pay that much. Sucks he’s leaving but shit happens. He was offered two fair contracts the past two offseasons. BG waited and got a little bit more money from a different team…oh well.
Technically...
if someone is willing to give him $11M a year then that’s exactly what he’s worth.
Then again, if I remember correctly he turned down 5/$59 the first year and 5/$50 was pulled back last year so he ended up in the middle.
Salary and oncourt value are inseparable
Otherwise there’d be no bitchin about Kurt and LooL. Or half the other guys in the league. I agree “technically” separate, but that isn’t how players are judged. Focusing on only one is kinda like picking isolated stats to hype a biased viewpoint.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Reverse your numbers
He turned down 5 years and 50 million the first time
Yeah that's what I'm really laughing about. The complete lack of understanding...
…on the part of people who really didn’t think Gordon would warrant an 8 figure salary. People who actually thought the Bulls would be able to re-sign Gordon for the MLE. Are you kidding me? Despite his shortcomings, this guy was unique in his ability to put the ball in the basket at the most opportune times. There aren’t 15 better natural scorers in the NBA than Gordon and let’s face it people. In the NBA, scorers get paid (unless your name is Ben Wallace).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BG's final F U to the organization?
I bet he relished that. It sucks a lot, but the Bulls deserve it.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Jul 1, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to pay him $16m
is it too late? argh I feel really fucking terrible about this. I’m already getting the ’don’t worry we still have Hinrich’ blowback.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
also, i don't want to make it seem like i'm not upset about it
there are so many ways this could have gone differently. but it didn’t.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
We have Kurt to miss clutch shots!
I’m already getting the ’don’t worry we still have Hinrich’ blowback.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Would it be possible to keep our negative energies
focused on the guys who hand out (or in this case dont hand out) the contracts?? Please????
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
OK.
FUCK REINSDORF!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
INDEED!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Don't worry
we still have DeMarcus Nelson.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I said it before and I'll say it again.
I’d have MUCH rather paid Gordon $11M than have paid Deng the money he got.
Ben Gordon = the best Chicago Bulls player for the better part of the last 5 yrs. People rave about the series Deng had against Miami back in 2007, but they forget that Gordon averaged 25 pts 5 rbd and 5 assts in that same series. Deng obviously had the playoffs of his life, but Gordon has been far more consistent and overall a better performer and has had more of an impact on the Bulls than Deng or Hinrich. And the Bulls backslid on making this man a deal.
I would MUCH rather had seen Deng be moved and the Bulls keep Hinrich and Gordon and Salmons slide into the 3 spot, but it looks like we’ll have a Salmons/Deng wing now…and I think ultimately that they’ll do alright. But I think the Bulls had the potential to be explosive offensively with Ben Gordon.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, that really sucks....
I’m pissed that we could of had him last year at a good price if Dorf hadn’t pulled the deal on principle. This hurts us HUGELY as a team..
Doing things on principle pretty much always sucks.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is really dissapointing
And makes me question why I even have loyalty to this organisation. That probably sounds like an overreaction but I hate loosing all these good, skilled, quality players for purely financial (cheap) reasons
by rquinsee on Jul 1, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
Boy i hope this doesn't happen
Gordon was a lot of fun to watch on you guys’ team last year. Detroit isn’t a place where his talent is going to be maximized.
Why? They dont have a basketball?
If there is a ball on the court and BG can reach it, he will shine…
And this will be
Gordon’s first chance with a new organization. Maybe it will be less insane than how things go here and they will find the best way for him to fit with their team.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
And he should have a good coach.
Doug Collins and Avery Johnson are at least competent and have experience with playoff teams. None of this VDN crap! If I were BG, VDN might have been enough for me to take a roll off the bench rather than a joke of an organization throwing a noob out to the wolves.
Any chance
‘agreed in principle’ means he hasn’t signed anything yet? So any chance the Bulls match and he goes with them? I think 55M spread out the way Sports2 mentioned is pretty damn reasonable for him
This doesn't mean he won't give the Bulls
a chance to match it. I’d be suprised if they did, though.
I believe the Bulls think Gordon's a restricted FA, remember Bulls never get into bidding wars.
man up!
whats so frusterating
is that its clear the Bulls did not try at all to sign him. They were done with him when the season ended and they knew it.
Now we should try to trade deng and kirk and go big or go home in 2010
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
Oh well
The Bulls didn’t really pose as a threat to the Top 3 in the East; having the same squad this year, even considering the talent they had, would have still done nothing.
2009-2010 is looking like a buffer year for ‘10-’11.
I'd prefer they keep the talent
and get rid of the rot, but whatever. What’s done is done. I just don’t think different will be better.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I would LOVE
for Ben to have to come off the bench for a few games before they trade Hamilton
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions
At least Hamilton is a good player.
That is way different from coming off the bench for the likes of Duhon, Thabo, and Hughes.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Initial thoughts if this report is true
He was fun while we had him. Brought a shit load of excitement to the team.
But the questions about his defense, leadership and one dimensional style of play is definitely not worth what he’s reportedly getting.
I can’t say I blame the Bulls for not trying to match.
Save the money for next year.
If it’s not used properly, then I’ll really be pissed.
I’m not too mad now cause I was kinda setting up for this moment for a while now.
He wanted the money to stroke his ego as one of the games best, well he got it.
Kudos to him for waiting it out till he got the deal he wanted.
I’ll always have a love/hate relationship with Ben.
Au revoir Benjamin
There are worse players
being paid more than he is. I don’t think this is a bad deal for either party. If Ben does the next five years like he did the first then they would have gotten their $$$ worth. Add in his injury record (or lack of one) and it is a very positive deal. While the Bulls are wondering if draft picks have knee problems as well as Amare’s health problem’s and Bosh’s … it is funny they are letting go one of the healthiest guys in the league.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Of course there are worse players getting paid more
But I wouldn’t justify that as the reason the deal makes sense.
But you are right about the injury problem. I was always impressed with that aspect of him
letting go one of the healthiest guys in the league...
enough emphasis is not placed on this fact….
man up!
so umm.. does this mean you dont want to send us Hinrich? pretty please? what if we suck it up and eat dengs conract too?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
you still have Salmons, Noah and Tyrus the wonderkid…
and Rose.. Rose helps
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys get hinrich
Give us Blake and Rudy (im assuming you will also get turk signed)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
uhh that might be a bit much
maybe travis outlaw.. but then again you dont need capspace anymore.. since no one to sign
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If you get turk
Rudy doesnt even want to be on your team…so im confused why you still wnat to keep rudy (and have him leave your team)….?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
The fact that Salmons is on that list makes me sad.
He’s so average and now he’s one of our “guys.” Sigh.
hahaha
sorry.. i know he is only average
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Calm down
Rose+Fishdicks+Lu+TT+Noah and Kirk is not equal to the lottery.
However, PLUS Vinnie Del Taco = #1 overall pick in the draft
Defenses that force the ball out of D.Rose hands and you lose many games
Then Kirk replaces Fishdicks or Lu, either way more shots will not fall for points.
man up!
Really?
I will have to remember this when Deng puts up ~18 & 7 next year
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Please...Deng will alternately suck and get hurt
I don’t think we’re going to see anything close to 18 and 7 over a whole season again from him.
It’s not all on him — VDN’s “offense” is just a horrible fit for Deng.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
By 18, do you mean 18 games?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Shit, the bar has risen for Deng.
Turkoglu is an 18 and 7 type guy AND he can facilitate the offense…and the chances of him getting a deal that pays anywhere near what Deng gets a year ($12M/yr average) is pretty remote. All-star caliber play FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON…AND HOPEFULLY POSTSEASON FOR DENG…or bust!!! And 18 and 7 might no do the trick. Granger, Butler, Iguodala, Beasley (if he plays the 3), Gerald Wallace or Boris Diaw (both stand a chance to have just as good a season as Deng), and then Turkoglu…depending on where he ends up. Deng has gotta outplay these guys next season in my book. No more excuses for him. His security blanket is gone.
Something tells me that Derrick Rose will pull him out of a few fires next year though. Let’s hope so.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd put him in a box with breathing holes in it and ship him to Tasmania tonight if I thought it would help us.
Too bad we will actually need him with Gordon gone.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
rudy would have to be included for any deal to be considered, imo.
plus, he wants out if you guys sign turk. :P
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i doubt that article is actually true.. and rudy seems like an awful lot to give up for Hinrich. I think that might stop Pritchard from doing it.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont believe everything i read.. especially when it comes from questionable sources. Besides we own his contract … what do WE care if he is unhappy.. no play no pay..
i still wouldnt give him up for hinrich
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
throw something else in there.. maybe we have a deal
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
How much is too much?
Pritch-slapped = a deal is only good if you “win” it.
Blazers get Hinrich and Turkoglue. Blazers lose Rudy and Blake.
Blazers win 58-60 games next year. 60+ the next couple of years.
They then find a competent PG and SF to replace Hinrich and Turkoglu and they still have Bayless and a young Batum. They stay in 60+ win territory for the next 5-8 years.
Yeah, Blazer’s shouldn’t do that. Fernandez is too much to give up for Hinrich. Yikes.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
yea on thier site
a guy actually threw a trade at me to show me how how absurd trading hinrich for rudy was, he was basically comparing rudy fernandez to d. rose….if the blazers never trade with us for such a reason i really hope they get a taste of chicago bulls circa 2007 (first step: over value players, second step: welcome to mediocrity, 3rd step: Regret not trading irrelevant pieces to your team)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Rudy'll get traded if needed to, to get a final piece
But no matter what, he’s a peripheral piece. The main pieces in Portland are in place.
His cheapness and age make it so it’ll have to be a gangbusters deal to move him is all. If they think Hinrich could be moved to give the Bulls some cash savings, they won’t throw him in.
If someone compared Rudy to Rose talent wise, they were a dummy. Don’t worry.
sign Turkoglu. trade for hinrich with blake and rudy
overpay, yay!
win 60+ games the next 5-8 years. Double yay!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Yes, but Bulls fans can laugh at Paul Allen while he goes into the luxury tax
While Blazers fans happily pack the Rose Garden for Game 1 of the 2012 NBA Finals.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Please welcome our new shooting guard
John Salmons!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
Meh.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Mr. Fish...
as a short term solution until James Johnson loses 40 lbs and becomes our beast of a 2-guard. HA.
Can he fit into his schedule Biggest Loser?
I might watch that show then.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I don't mind Salmons. I really don't.
But I am concerned about the fact that he was fairly regular everywhere he went until he showed up in Chicago in February. Gordon was a borderline All-Star. Salmons isn’t close. But if he can have an entire season that emulates what he did when he got to Chicago then everyone will be happy.
A lot of pressure now falls squarely on the shoulders of Luol Deng. Let’s hope he’s up to the task.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Gordon was never a borderline All-star
He was not even close…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
If a few has-beens finally got retired from that title
he’d have had a shot. Same with Rose. You have to wait until the rest of the league realizes some of the older guys are crap before the younger ones get recognized.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
leaving Salmons to jack it up a lot.
He’s going to shoot A TON.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose will get more double teams.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And learn to deal with them
….im trying to put positive spins on everything….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Rose better learn the MJ fadeaway shot then.
And shoot it as well as MJ did.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Would it be alright
if he just dunked on cats like mj did?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Hard to dunk when you are double or tripled teamed away from the basket.
MJ’s ability to score over a double team is much of the reason why he is the GOAT.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember when
Boston had trouble figuring out if they wanted to pile one Gordon or pile on Rose? Yeah, they’ll have no trouble figuring that out now.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
With Deng returning
I am not quite sure if that logic holds.
Who know how many games Deng will play?
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We will see...
when games are actually played. Possibility and potential are the plagues of discussion.
by McCabe on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deng better bring it next season. He better make himself a weapon....
…EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!!! None of that bullshit outta him next year, please!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He's say I need to find my rythmn in this offense for about 19 games ..
suffer a sore hand for the next 8 games, play 3 games scoring 18 pts in one.
Next he’s get a 8 day ankle spain. Next he say he’s trying to find his rythmn in the offense again. Afterwards season ..,ding ??.
man up!
I'd rather have 9m/yr and live in Chicago than 11m/yr and live in Detroit...
but that’s just me. Not to say the Bulls are offering anything to him at this point…
For that extra $2M
He can afford to live in a hotel all season long and buy a bigger house elsewhere for the offseason though and still have some money to spare..
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Players live in the suburbs.
Don’t most of the Bulls players live in the Chicago suburbs too? It isn’t like BG will have to buy a gutted out house no more than a Chicago player has to live on the bad side of town.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Thank you Cranscape.
All the Pistons players live in the suburbs and those areas are pretty damn nice (and not quite as cheap as everyone seems to think).
Detroit is not one of the cities or franchises that NBA players have a problem with. They can go to the “D” and get as gutter as they want, but they can leave it all there and head home to one of the many beautiful suburban areas around Detroit (which are nothing like Detroit itself).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
it's still Michigan...
sell it to Canada.
48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.
by Lt.Dan on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of these players actually live in the cities anyways
It’s the suburbs of Chicago vs. the suburbs of Detroit (and Detroit does have some nice suburbs, at least).
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Oh Gordon's gone
so fucking what? He’s going toa Detroit team that won’t do shit with him and can’t do shit without him. I liked BG as a player but he disappeared at times and he’d never be a superstar. Just a very good scorer. He was a luxury. Time for the Bulls to move forward without him.
not really
Ben was great, but I don’t think he’d be too happy as a 3rd option
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
he was fine coming off the bench
FOR CHRIS DUHON
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
oh please. that was just Skiles stupidity and everyone knew it
no one thought that was going to be permanent.
why did you even have to bring Duhon up? isn’t today bad enough?
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It happened numerous times as a strategy, not a whim. That kind of bad lingers.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
The Bulls have way too much money in Deng and Hinrich to
afford to overpay BG. If they really want to sign a free agent next year then Gordon had to be reasonable. He’s all about his $$ tho (understandably so).
They could have moved Kirk.
Or asked Deng to be reasonable last summer. Never quite got why Ben had all the responsibility of being “reasonable” in this situation when everyone else seemed to have been green lighted.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
last summer, there was still a lot of people who thought Deng was better than BG
and I don’t know what teams really wanted Kirk.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I wasn't one of them.
But I am well aware of what people said, and the truth is these people were basing it all on the playoff series Deng had against Miami in 2007, because if they’d seen Deng after than then they’d have seen a guy who looks either maxed out as a player of unmotivated to add other dimensions to his game. An ESPN article actually had Deng rated as a top 5 SF in the league!! How unbelievable does that sound now?
Still though, who did the Bulls bid against for Deng for his salary to get to $72M? They could have waited for another offer to come in and matched the offer or just offered him less than that again (like they did with Gordon) and waited to see what he’d do. Waited to see if people put their money where their mouths were in regards to Deng’s game.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's see what Deng does this year
I expect a different Deng on offense now.
by messwiththebull on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's not like it was a secret when Hinrich and Deng were getting those nice contracts.
Ben Gordon was going to want to be paid as well. So why give all that money to Hinrich and to Deng (I still don’t know who the Bulls bid against for either of those guys to be paid at that level) Yet the Bulls treated Gordon like he was Speedy Claxton or somebody like that.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You act like BG was not offered deals by the Bulls.
When they offered him deals each of the past two summers…he was offered to be paid alongside Deng and Hinrich, and he turned the deals down…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Look D 2.0. NBA players are competive. Even in contract negotiations.
And when BG knows he’s the best and most consistent performer on the team yet has to watch Hinrich get 5yr/$47.5M, then watches Deng get 6yr/$72M – $80M at the same time the Bulls are offering him 5yr/$50M was bothersome…and it would bother you too if you were in that situation. So he really wasn’t offered to be paid alongside Deng and Hinrich like you say. He is unquestionably more valuable than Hinrich. Because of what Deng “potentially” brings to the table, I can see Deng having value. But based on actual production this was a no brainer. Gordon’s going to want closer to what Deng got than to what Hinrich got…and the Bulls put themselves in that position when they paid Hinrich. It’s not like they didn’t know they’d have to negotiate with Gordon pretty soon…and if he kept performing at the level he was playing at then he’d get more expensive.
Also, Gordon tried to accept a deal last year…and the Bulls pulled it off the table. Treated him like shit and treated Deng and Hinrich like Golden Boys. Detroit showed Ben some love…and now he’s a Piston.
You guys act like Gordon is the first or last guy to have contract demands. Y’all better screw ya heads on right if you think that. Hinrich was paid based on what they thought he’d do in the future. Deng was paid based on what they thought he’d do in the future. Neither has had a season like Gordon did this past season, yet Gordon couldn’t get paid for what he already brings to the table. Not potential, but actual production. Guess it doesn’t mean much in Jerry’s world.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 2, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really...
He is good compliment to Bosh…but a pretty average compliment to Rose.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
On any team except a championship team...
…there is no such thing as a scorer who is a luxury. You gotta be kidding me. And do you really have the nerve to say that Gordon disappeared at times and would never be a superstar? If that’s how you really feel, I have no problem with your opinion. BUT I hope you’ve said the same things about the psuedo Bulls superstar the last 2 seasons or so. You know. The guy who got the largest contract in Chicago Bulls history…the guy who actually disappears at the worst times…and who has yet to live up to his contract or billing as a big money guy!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
They got charlie V too
is that 90 million n BG and CV? what a waste
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60264/20090701/villanueva_comes_to_terms_with_detroit/
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
bulls and pistons both just got worse
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wow, I called that pretty close in a post earlier today
If the Pistons manage to turn Rip into an expiring, they’ll have added BG and CV at reasonable deals and then still likely have max contract space to offer to a big FA next year.
I'd take the $90M of CV and BG over the $119.5M GUARANTEED on Hinrich and Deng ANYDAY!!!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Lex.....you are the DOG
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna get tickets to every single Det @ Chi game
and laugh when BG pours the points in on us. I’ll be the lone guy cheering for him and laughing at the morons who hated him that call themselves “Bulls fans”
hahahahahaha
I like Ben, but you are way too butthurt over this.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He'll be even more butthurt
when Rose plays lockdown D and shuts BG down to 2 PPG…wait…me thinks i’m missing something….
Kirk had better re-learn that judo chop he used on Wade
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
And that's exactly what the Bulls brass
wants you to think. Keep hoping. And when we get nobody, then what are you hoping for?
BG is not worth $55 million.
I’d rather the Bulls let him go than overpay him and can’t do shit cuz they got three overpaid players from a failed core. They signed Wallace so obviously they will sign players they feel are worth it, Sorry BG7 was deemed unworthy.
He was worth 6 years 54 million, which the Bulls pulled last year -- which was stupid.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If Deng is worth $12M/yr, then Gordon is worth $11M/yr EASILY!!!
Gordon has actually produced for more than one playoff series and a few 5 or 6 game stretches here and there.
Can’t say the same for Deng to this point.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't really argue with that.
At least right now. Who knows in the future. But the Bulls weren’t the only ones who valued Deng more than Gordon. When the Kobe, Pau Gasol and Kevin Garnett trade talks were occuring. Who was the player being mentioned in the trades. Deng, not Gordon. Deng has the higher ceiling. It’s just unfortunate that he hasn’t improved at all the past two years and is now injury plagued.
I'd rather the Bulls have gotten rid of one of their already "overpaid" guys...
…and signed Gordon to that 5yr/$50M deal that had they offered him this morning then I’m CERTAIN he would have taken.
Bulls pay the luxury tax for one season (after having raked in 100s of millions of dollars over the last couple years, paying $20M in luxury tax wouldn’t hurt), then have room to sign a max FA next year and the assets to sign and trade for another max FA.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jul 2, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Equilibrium reference
?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
That movie is great! Christian Bale is so good at playing someone that has no personality!
And he is equally as impressive when acting like Batman with a sore throat.
Yea i liked it too
ARe you a sense offender, kirk hinrich is, apparently bg is not….bg would make an awesome cleric….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Equilibrium is quite good.
It just had the misfortune of coming out about the same time as the first Matrix movie. Same thing happened to Stir of Echos vs The Sixth Sense. Came out too close to each other and one got undeservingly shelved.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Yea
and christian bale really had a marevelous performance in that movie, i mean if you think he was good in batman (which i have questions about) you’ll love his performance in equilibrium (cuz he is off the chain). And the gun kata abilities, the action scenes in general were awesome but it also had a real deep plot, and being a bit underground it was forced to actually have actors who had to act instead of rely on good looks. Yea i actually saw it more because of im a fan of hte matrix movies, but that movie was just really good on so many levels…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I liked BG7 but he's not wort that kid of money.
If Dumars wants to continue his fucked up streak ever since drafting Darko more power to him.
True abt Dumars
Draft Darko, Fire Flip, Overpay Rip, trade away Chauncy, get AI, overvalue Stuckey.
Only good move he made was duping the Bulls into signing The Corpse
Stuckey isnt a true point guard
Itll be interesting to see how he and BG work together
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
It'll be interesting to see how they're lineup works out
Are you gonna put Stuckey at point or just have Hamilton come off the bench, and start Gordon, like they did last year with Iverson?
Seriously
is grammar that much of a lost art
they’re =\= their
your =\= you’re
double negatives are for retards
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I applaud your lesson
but not your language. retards? really?
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
retards are TERRIBLE at the your/you're thing
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
in theory, they could still trade hamilton
….but a Stuckey/Gordon/Prince/Villanueva/???? lineup really doesn’t make them any better.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm assuming they get someone back for Hamilton
Maybe they can swing another quality big man if they package him.
I’m hoping they get stuck with Hamilton, though.
Adding Gordon doesn't seem to make them significantly better
You have to wonder why they gave him so much money. This might not be a good move for the Pistons, especially considering that they have a good #2 already and have their best man in the post as a free agent currently.
Well we're all set...
at ONE position. Great job!
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
No it means I'm right
You think he’s gonna be the small forward that makes this a championship team?
We have one above average player now.
always a great contribution.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM PST
regardless of what happened with BG...
The Bulls were all set at one position
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
gordon would have been set at the two
what are you talking about?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
6th man
the Bulls just lost the 6th Man of the Year
by messwiththebull on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Time for the Bulls to Adjust
I will miss Ben and his sexy arms but Salmons can give the Bulls a bigger backcourt on defense.
This move (or lack of on the Bulls part) certainly gives the Bulls more flexibility when it comes to the SG spot.
Perhaps in the future… ehhhhhhh fuck it… GET WADE 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wade just said the Bulls should keep Gordon.
So much for making Chicago attractive to Wade.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Like those are related?
Wade and Gordon play the same position???
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares.
You keep talent or use talent to build your team. You don’t let them go away for nothing. If Rose/Wade/Gordon didn’t work (they would be awesome btw…winning makes you forgot how much you might be paying someone) Gordon could have been turned into another good player in a trade. The reason why we are stuck in limbo now is that the guys we’d like to trade have no value (Deng, Tyrus) or we are holding onto them because we are scared (Kirk). Our talent is pretty much Rose and Noah. We are going to have to do better than that to attract Wade.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
It sends a message to Wade about what the Bulls are all about
If they’re doing things that don’t make sense to him, why would he come here?
Talent wants to be with other talent.
Which is why I never got that argument of some fans/media that BG must go for Rose to shine. Really? Oh well. We will be spending the following years hoping to attract or stumble on talented guys to surround Rose with.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Is Wade playing SF
because paying Gordon 11mil to be a backup is worse than paying Kirk 9.
What else is he going to say?
Players always have players’ backs. I doubt it has anything to do with a future decision by Wade as to whether he comes here.
I hope Wade really likes Rose and Noah.
And VDN is not someone you’d want to take to the prom either.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
We had this coming.
I wish I were more surprised by this but the organization has treated Ben like shit for years. He wasn’t my favorite, but the fact that he will walk away and we will get NOTHING in return is just depressing.
Well, you never know...
If the Bulls are thinking Wade 2010, maybe that’s one reason they let their 2-guard go…
If Wade signs here in 2010
feel free to rub my face in this. But what would you say the odds are of this actually happening? What reasons do you have to believe that this organization knows what it’s doing?
Ok
Just wanted to make sure you were one of the sane ones. ;-)
i want to cry
i mean BG was the shit, but for some reason i feel like JR and gar are like wastin our fuckin money
all the money for the players is OURS we pay for tickets and we watch the games
FUCK
We Get Iverson
for the mid-level exception. No one else wants him…he will do everything Gordon does, at least for a year or two.
Correction
He’ll do everything Gordon does, but a lot worse and for more money, and bitch about it with subtlety
Another Organizational Failure
It’s clear the Bulls and BG were not gonna get a deal done and we’ve let another high draft pick leave for nothing,
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
So its like Jay Williams all over again...
Except we got three more years out of him…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
While I don't think we needed BG as one of our top guys in order to build another contender...
I am extremely pissed we let him go for nothing. I mean, don’t you sign him so that you have assets to make a sign-trade deal for a Bosh? Or so you have someone left if you have to trade away the other pieces on the team? Unless the Bulls plan on straight up signing DWade and Bosh and not messing with sign/trades, this is gonna hurt. And yeah, we’ll miss BG much more than we think next year…
ha!
one day? This is gonna be until July 2010.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya sure let's talk about
How Salmons is gonna continue to play like he did last year.
How Hinrich is such a great versatile player to have.
How Tyrus is gonna emerge as an All-Star.
How we’re gonna land the big one next year!!
Haha, over?
Oh no, not in this blog. Expect yfBB to make (at least) 2 posts about it; and whenever Gordon does something an inch above mediocre this season, to hint about how stupid the Bulls management is to have let him go
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL...yes this will go into next season will Andrew7...Dills and others. Ben's followers will be active
I may take off when detroit plays the bulls just to log on to witness the epic battle.
When someone misses a clutch shot,
we can post about how BG would have made it.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls down 12, miss last shot
If only Ben Gordon was here, he would have made that last one and won it for the Bulls.
That will get repetitive.
Lets not do a shots game about it. We’d need liver transplants.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Same amount of posts from people who still bitch about trading LaMarcus Aldridge
I thought we weren’t supposed to care about losing average players?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I am.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
how the mighty have fallen
easily one of my favorite sports teams of all time. I just knew they were going to compete for a title one day.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for him (kind of).
I was one of those who doubted he could get his money. Way to succeed, Ben (at least financially). You’ll be making marginally more than you could have with the Bulls (and their future All-Star PG) to go to an aging team trying desperately to rebuild on the fly and that already has a starting SG (whose contract makes him fairly hard to move). I’m sure it feels good to get “respect,” too, since Detroit never let you doubt that they wanted you (the Bulls’ mistake all along). I hope you’re happy (because if you’re not, this sucks all the way around).
Ah yes, Detroit, where the season ticket renewal rate dropped 20% this year, for the first time ever...
and unemployment has sky-rocketed. Marketing opportunities galore- get excited BG!
just wait and see
BG will restore Detroit’s economy with Myoplex
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
this would make me feel better
bulls receive:
-Rudy Fernandez
-Travis Outlaw
Blazers recieve:
-Kirk Hinrich
-Future first round pick
FIRE VDN
No that would piss me off
the only reason that I thought they were hanging on to Kirk was in case BG left. If he lose BG and then trade away Kirk then why didn’t we trade him away a week ago to get more cap space.
i would have traded
Ben Gordan for Rudy Fernandez straight up last year. Rudy is a much better fit next to Derrick Rose
FIRE VDN
Once the Bulls didn't have an offer to him this morning he said fuck it,
fuck you cheap bastards thats what you get. I hold nothing against Gordon.
by PricanStar on Jul 1, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oh yeah
now way he should have waited after the way the Bulls have handled negotations for the last 2 years. Man’s gotta have some self respect
Charlie V got ca. 25k per tweet
It’s a recession in Detroit, and nobody noticed. $90 million invested between those two guys. Sounds like a championship team.
Two primarily offensive players
both of whom are potential defensive liabilities. Is Detroit going to try to run people out of the gym? If they can actually move Hamilton, they’d have the pieces to attempt it.
maybe they'll prove me wrong, but the pistons look kinda stupid
CV is a 3rd option on a pretty bad team in the Milwaukee Bucks. the only reason he put up decent numbers is b/c Redd and Bogut were injured all year.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He put up good offensive numbers in Toronto too.
The kid can put the ball in the bucket. It’s the only thing he does, though.
The only way these two signings make sense is if Detroit tries to become a scoring juggernaut, but Stuckey can’t really shoot and Tayshaun’s game is limited.
his numbers were good in toronto
but nothing to justify that sort of contract.
and he’s still pretty awful on defense.
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I've been saying.
(Except for the contract part; $7M for a good scoring forward isn’t that bad.)
I don't understand Dumars at all on these moves.
Its like he forgot that his team won the title a few years ago by playing defense first while playing smart basketball…neither of the guys he signed today play D
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
You can win the title multiple ways.
You just have to commit to a system and then get the right players. Since Detroit doesn’t have a coach at the moment, it’ll be interesting to see what they do.
That being said, even if you’re a high-octane gunning team, you need to play some defense. Gordon will be alright, but it will be much harder to compensate for Villanueva.
Pistons are going in a VERY different direction...
Wow, they were tough defensively when they had their run. BG and CV point them in a different direction. Not sure I like that combo at all—-and the jury is out on Stuckey. That said, I think I have more faith in DuuuuuuuuMars than Gar.
I can see Gordon on the Pistons more than CV
Gordon is a tough kid, but CV is a talented but ballhoggy softy who plays no defense.
Not very Pistons-esque…
pistons are going to suck
they think that can contend vs cavs, magic, boston?
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCk
heartbreak…pain..suffering
AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Fuck you mngmt
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jul 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and fuck you pisstons
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
I wish this were a few seasons ago when I still believed that management actually had a plan
I think I may change my Blog-a-Bull handle soon…
Ugh.
Given the optimism surrounding this team
after last year’s playoffs I have a hard time believing that management is just gonna let this go down without doing a few things to appease the fanbase. I know JR is cheap, but he’s not stupid.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro