Trading Derrick Rose

So you want to trade Rose for Blake Griffin?

No. No. No. No. No.

No.

"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush

by Illini15 on Jun 10, 2009 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen"
~ Michael Jordan

by ChiBullsFan on Jun 10, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Griffin doesn't seem like a superstar to me

And D Roses teams are to me famous or notable for having guys on each position actually getting better or really being involved. He wants to facilitate and if he improves his defense he could limit penetration which is a big sore.
But a great game for Rose could be 10 7 and 7 to me. Hes a very unique player so I’d rather see what where he and the team are going to go.

And you can still get a big man here since Rose is here I think its appealing to some players. Just gotta be a bit patient I think.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You do make a good case about PG’s. I still think the Bulls could get to a title with Rose, though. There are many ways to skin a cat. Just look at the wildly varying makeup of title teams, from star-studded like the 80s Lakers & Celtics, to no star, like the recent Detroit teams. There is no one single route.

Plus there is never a guarantee on how a great college player will transition to the NBA. Woods are full of “can’t miss” college stars who washed out. Rose is already proven, so why trade him for someone who is not?

by boobie trap on Jun 10, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You are conveniently forgetting that with the exception of Chauncey Billups....

….each of those PG’s had an absolute STUD on the team with them. A real life, true to form, established SUPERSTAR and in some cases two of them. Blake Griffin may turn out to be the goods. In fact, i think he will. But I think Rose will turn out to be the goods as well.

You don’t even entertain the possibility of trading Rose at this point in his career. And what character issues are you talking about? You and everybody else that’s dogging this kid needs to get off that high horse immediately. He’s a good kid. May have done something bad but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a good kid. Plus it’s irrelevant in all honestly. This kid was going to be a pro and some SAT score or a Dinstead of a C wasn’t going to change that. The fact that it’s an issue at all is a sham.

Lastly, how would you like to be defined based on the worst thing you did when you were a teenager? I don’t think anyone wants to be pigeonholed based on that.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

kiss my arse

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 1:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He's right, trade him. Trade him for that power forward.

by SoulEater7 on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If I had more confidence in Griffin's ability, especially on defense

I would think hard about dealing him for Griffin. And right now I just haven’t watched him enough to know how his game will translate to the NBA defensively. The idea mildly intrigues me. Rose obviously has the potential to be the 2nd best point in the league. If I thought Griffin had similar potential I make the trade.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think Rose

Could be the best PG in the league one day

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Paul

Enough said.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

chris paul

didnt do much this year. As far as I see he’s one of the bet handlers ive seen but he cant carry a team by himself. Rose on the other hand, still has to prove me wrong (as i know im comparing a rook to a sopf..so wut? lol)

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pardon my mistypes

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No disrespect to Chris Paul

but its true I think this was one of the few times Pauls take on Rose’s talent and potential while he was maybe being too gracious its true. No one in the league is faster than him-his court vision is improving each game-and he can take over a game already. I agree with Belize Rose can be more imposing because of his athletism and strength.

He just has the potential its not even discrediting Paul. Everyone didn’t even want to hear some of that talk a few months ago either.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rose has a long ways to go skill wise and in the mental aspects of the game

before his athleticism allows him to over take Paul. Paul was also far better than Derrick at the same age. He defensive rebounds like a small forward. He’s led the league in steals three out of the four years of his career. Led the league in assists the last two years, while playing on a slow paced team. He’s an insanely efficient scorer who carries large scoring load. Paul is already the best PG since Magic Johnson, and he’s only 23. Derrick only has a shot at that if he comes close to reaching his absolute ceiling. Maybe a 5% chance at best of being better than Paul.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

keep ur fact buddy

my eyes show me that DRose will be the best ever (although if he slumps next year, i fail on that statement…but neverthess Rose > Paul. Final answer. Yes, Im biased – sue me)

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, after Scotter provides statistics and analyses of

the objectively best point guard of the league, your rebuttal is him keeping his facts straight through your subjective eyes?

Belize, ladies and gentlemen.

by NittanyCub on Jun 11, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

scotter's research is kryptonite

so…my only comeback is cordial ignorance

by Belize on Jun 11, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

ha!

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 11, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rose isn't your normal PG

or eltie PG I should say. He gets those comparsions to Kidd because he likes to manage games and help his teammates just have fun on the court. Rebounds will be there soon I’m sure unless there are guys taking rebounds away like Noah and Tyrus which they need to be.
Paul didn’t get a lot of showing to me his rookie year because he wasn’t expected to be this good of course. But Rose has been put on a spot light coming out and we get to watch all his games and pick apart all of his faults. Those stats aren’t as telling to me. Right now I just see a lot of potential and I think he’ll be right there with Paul and Williams in 2 years.
Next year he could make a big jump because it seems everyone expects baby steps.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didnt rose rebound pretty good as a rookie?

I thought he did that great, esp initiating the fast break right after

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess it depends on what you're expectations were.

Is rebounding exactly like Ben Gordon did as rookie what you expected from Derrick? If you expected Derrick to be just another good point guard in that area then he was very comparable to Deron Williams, Billups, Tony Parker, etc.

But, a big part of the argument for Derrick eventually being better than those guys is that he would be more like Kidd and Paul in areas like rebounding than the other point guards. It’s disappointing in the sense that if Derrick had rebounded better than would be a much clearer to true greatness, and point guards rarely experience much positive change in their rebounding after their rookie year.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I expect him to rebound next year

as he did in the playoffs – 6 per game.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't forget

he also played seven more minutes a game. Not saying he won’t improve this year, but that explains a lot of the jump.

by JSlakov on Jun 11, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ridiculous

In the playoffs he averaged 5 rebounds per 36 min, in the regular season he averaged 3.8.

If you were to say sample size I would have been fine with it, but citing 7 more minutes per game when he improved his average per game from 3.9 to 6.3 is just ridiculous.

by tuluse on Jun 13, 2009 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so

are you saying that doesn’t explain a lot of the jump? not all of it, but a significant portion of it?

by JSlakov on Jun 13, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, he did cite per 36 numbers.

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 14, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea

and it shows the jump is half as large per 36 minutes.

by JSlakov on Jun 14, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i just got a headache

I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell

by Belize on Jun 14, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Paul carried an injury-riddled team with no shooting guard to 49 wins. Why does 1 player get the blame for the failings of everyone else?

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His single season PER this year was 30.

Until further notice, Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, worthy of MVP discussion.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 10, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Well I think its a toss up with Deron Williams still

but I just think that Rose will be in that discussion in a year or two.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deron Williams and Paul aren't even close anymore.

After their 2nd year when the Jazz were in the Western conference finals and the Hornets didn’t make the playoffs you could reasonably make the argument that Deron would be the better player. Two years later it’s clear that Paul is far better than Williams.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think its still a healthy debate

Next year everyone will be back on board talking about whos the best I think.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The kind of people who think Deron Williams vs. Chris Paul is healthy debate

are the same kind of people that think Kobe vs. Jordan is a healthy debate. They either need to stir up some manufactured controversy, or they’re just dumb.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

I really think

you’re exaggerating. Kobe vs a guy whos considered the greatest.
Paul isn’t exactly swimming in hype but Williams just doesn’t get much attention and Paul gets a lot of play from the stats he puts up.

Both of them are in different systems and have different ways they can attack. Williams is the better shooter I’m pretty sure-handles seem even passing is to me on the same level.
Paul to me is faster-Deron is stronger. Paul is probably better defensively but I think according to the matchups.
I really don’t think its that clear cut as some would like to believe.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul rebounds better, he plays defense better, he turns the ball over less,

he assists more, he scores more and just as efficiently. Deron shoots the 3 better, but Paul was 4th in the league on 2P jumpers behind only Nash, Allen, and Terry. And Paul’s 3P% is at least solid. When one player is better at just about everything, it’s not that hard to figure out who is better.

And considering that Deron’s career high PER is lower than Paul’s career low PER this is very much like comparing Kobe to MJ.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

For PGs I don't like to lean on stats often

Jason Kidd was the best PG in the league and didn’t always average the best stats. Since it is a position that facilitates.

Paul rebounds more because the rebounds are mostly long since he has a ton of three point shooters and hes quick. Defense yeah hes faster I think he can limit penetration better.
Paul to me having West play more midrange and Chandler jus tplay pick and rolls or basically get the hell out of the way helps his penetration and I think guys give him wider jumpers. I think both of them are extremely hard to guard but Williams has better range so I might tilt that in his favor.

In Derons case he has a elite post option so hes not gonna get many rebounds. And despite what some people think Okur rebounds pretty well and I think Milisap does too. On a team with more versatility I’m not even sure if you can say its easier or harder to get points or assists. But I can discredit either for that.

I’m not sure about comparing Kobe to MJ though. I feel that Kobe has a game like him. But the biggest factor is that MJ had everything figured out on and off the court. Hes a better leader and more importantly has the hardware to put up agianst all his talent.
Paul actually maybe the better leader but I’m holding off on it and just give them both a ton of credit I think their talent is close.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Paul

arguably had the greatest offensive season in NBA history this year. Look at his numbers this season vs. Magic Johnson’s best years. Paul is ridiculous.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm looking more at the situations

of both players and their skills to me. I don’t think he is head and shoulders above Williams yet.
They each have an arguement to me.

Magic had a ton of offensive weapons and I think it was a faster pace then since everyone basically averaged in the 100s. I dunno what Magic would do on a team like the Hornets honestly. I think every player has their own skill sets and ways of approaching the game. Magic may have a larger capacity than Paul though.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you want to look at total contributions...

Paul’s two year adjusted plusminus is 11.69, while Deron’s is +1.65. And APM is a stat that’ll show the intangibles that someone like Jason Kidd (7.90) does have. There’s really no argument.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hows there no argument?

I don’t think Deron has to dominate the ball as much as Paul does and plays a different game and system.
The stats aren’t going to be the definite factor in all of this if it is for you then I don’t mind I’m just saying this is how I see it.

And to say that Paul is just way out of Williams league I think is taking away from Williams and going too far. I actually think Paul is overall better and not by a ton but I think Deron has the skills to fit into different situations because of his shot and strength again.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's a reason the stats are the way they are

You can’t say “Jason Kidd has intangibles that don’t show up in the box score”, then reject a stat that shows those intangibles.

If Paul and Deron were a couple APM points apart, I’d agree that Deron could be a better fit in some systems. But Paul has been 10 points better per 100 possessions over the past two seasons. Adjusting for pace and Paul’s minutes per game, that’s a 7.2ppg improvement, or about the difference between the Lakers and Bulls this season.

Putting it another way, here’s the Hornets roster without Paul this season:

PG Antonio Daniels
SG Rasual Butler
SF Peja Stojakovic (missing 20 games)
PF David West
C Tyson Chandler (missing 40 games)

with Posey and Devin Brown off the bench, and Hilton Armstrong filling in for Tyson Chandler.

How many games would that team win?

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're misplacing the Jason Kidd reference

Its more about leadership is why I say if I had to say whos better overall its Paul. But skill its pretty close.

So why would Williams rebound better if Paul has three point shooters that don’t rebound and 2 really good rebounders while Williams has around 3.
Paul also has more chances at long rebounds and likes to take the ball for a rebound to start the break its a different approach.

I think on a better team you let yourself rely on other players more often.
Paul is suppose to penetrate and kick to guys like Lebron does for Cleveland a lot. So both of them dominate the ball more often. I’m just gonna hold off on saying hes better than him by a wide margin cause talent wise I really don’t think so.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul leads the legaue in assists.

How is that not relying on others? Oh, it’s your observations. I hate myself for reading this crap.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because Pauls teammates are mostly jumpshooters

Tyson chandler has no offensive game and the only other guy who can create his shot is David West.

Paul has to dominate the ball. If you don’t wanna read something you disagree with just don’t.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyway what I'm saying is he has to set all of them up

Paul has guys who can cut better and drive and have just more variety to their game. With an actual post player

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You just said they're jumpshooters.

And that they cut and drive better and he has an actual post player? But you imply they aren’t as good as the Jazz on offense? WTF? You’ve lost it.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

I said that about Williams team. They have Boozer an elite post player (not defender though he needs to improve there….some day)
Okur can stretch the defense. All their other guys are long can shoot the three-run the break-cut etc etc really well.

For the Hornets its a lot more spot up players. Thats why they lost that one game 7 vs the Spurs to me. They couldn’t get anything going it seemed like Paul was spent. And all of them couldn’t make a jumper except Pargo. (hopefully he comes back)

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

opps yeah typo there meant Williams

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to be rude

But didn’t you do a Kobe/Jordan comparison a few years ago? If I recall correctly its the only time I have had a disagreement with anything you posted.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He did a statistical comparison once

And showed it wasn’t even a close fight.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 14, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is it a healthy debate?

Paul has basically surpassed Williams in every facet of the game. Passing, ball-handling, defense, shooting. The only superior advantage Williams has is he is a better 3 point shooter and his size. He can take Paul in a 1-on-1 matchup, but in the end that is totally irrelevant.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

You could be right

Since ESPN plays Chris Paus stat lines most of the time. But to me its different systems they both work in and they both can take advantage of situations in different ways. Derons bigger-Pauls probably quicker.
Better shooter I’d give to Williams still if he has better range he really isn’t a bad mid range shooter. Passing and handles I may say even.

And Paul maybe better defensively but for the PG position its hard for me to judge since its not like either are going to lock down penetration. But since Paul is quicker I could give that to him.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's the same "system" that had John Stockton.

You know, the guy who led the league in assists and steals forever?

Are you saying it’s not as friendly to PG’s as the system that Paul is in?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not exactly

John Stockton is better than Williams and Karl Malone is better than Boozer. But still not gonna go on the stats here much.

Both Paul and Williams aren’t far from assists and Pauls a better theif and I think he has to gamble more. Still different teams not just from the 90’s but Hornets right now and Jazz right now. They have different skills and players on their team.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Putting this to rest

Scoring:
Paul: .599 TS% on 27.5 USG%
Deron: .573 TS% on 24.7 USG%

Passing impact:
Paul: 54.5 AST%
Deron: 47.8 AST%

Rebounding:
Paul: 8.7 TRB%
Deron: 4.6 TRB%

Turnovers:
Paul: 13.5 TOV%
Deron: 16.5 TOV%

2-year APM
Paul: +11.69
Deron: +1.65

It’s hard to argue that Deron is better offensively when he isn’t better at any one thing offensively, especially when Paul’s stats (namely his combination of TS% and USG%, his AST%, and his TOV% for a point guard) rank among the best all time.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who says hes better offensively?

I’m not even trying to say throw out all the stats but they aren’t going to tell you everything.
This doesn’t prove to me hes head and shoulders over Williams still.
Again different games different teams and both have had similiar impacts to me.
He isn’t by a wide margin better than him to me yet.
Cause for a lot of players like Kobe vs Lebron we could pinpoint situations for each of their teams I think you could say “well Lebron would fit better there” or for Kobe etc.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

Lebron is just flat out better than Kobe. There’s a point where you’re so much better than the other player that context doesn’t matter and that’s true of both Paul and Lebron.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mkays its opinion still

Thats why I think its a bit like the Lebron vs Kobe debate.
Could Kobe close out a few of those games vs the Magic possibly. (though now he seems to be disproving my point ha)
Could Lebron lead the Lakers to a record of wins. I’m not sure I think he’d take more jumpers because of Bynum and Gasols good post play.

For this one I may take Lebron but I wouldn’t argue if someone said they’d take Kobe.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, it's not opinion.

Just because you want it to be, doesn’t make it so.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Saying who you think is better isn't opinion?

Is Lebron being better than Kobe a fact really?
MJ being the best player ever is even an opinion I think.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's an opinion, but all opinions aren't created equal.

Some opinions are much better informed than others. Jordan by basically all objective measures was the greatest player ever. James objectively did things this season that no other NBA player has done. He’s a constant force on a game in all areas, something that Jordan was, but Kobe has never been able to be.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

You

First:

Well I think its a toss up with Deron Williams still

Then you said:

Paul maybe better defensively

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So?

I think its a toss up. If I had to pick either for a team. Then yeah its a toss up for me depending on the team.
Because I say Paul is better defensively doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you think it's a toss-up overall, but then think Paul is better on D....

…then that implies Williams is better offensively. And then you said, “Who said anything about offense?”

When your logic and reasoning and coherence break down like this, you should start to realize you’re probably wrong.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Thats not really the case

I said “who said whos better offensively” Williams doesn’t have to be better offensively I think their both pretty even offensively as far as scoring and giving teammates opprotunities. Depending on the team I might pick Williams. Because his game could fit better.
Toss up for me. If I thought i was wrong I’d just say so its not like its a serious situation.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stockon played in an era when defenses could physically attack guards much more.

Wonder how Paul would have done with Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley and Mahorn whacking him every time he drove, and Thomas and Dumars hand checking him on the perimeter?

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 10, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just fine.

Paul is probably the dirtiest point guard since Stockton.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Folks also forget

That yes while the bigs could push you around a lot more, the guards could hand check and push and create more steals in the old days…..those steals tend to lead to easier baskets or assists to other teammates on the other side…

Paul can’t and I believe just broke the record for most consecutive steals…..that is very impressive, and yet I think Paul is great really mostly because of his offensive skills.

Tyger1147 is a douche bag

by majoyenrac on Jun 11, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

Okur is better than Ostertag, Kirilenko is better than Hornacek/Byron Russell and the 2009 Jazz had a ton of depth.

Deron’s a good player, but he can’t hold a candle to Chris Paul on O or D (though Paul’s better at grabbing steals than defending in the traditional sense, he still kills his counterpart and is like many mentioned the easy #1 in the league).

I’d take Billups over Deron Williams last year….and I don’t think the #2 is out or Rose’s grasp. He has a shot to be the best PG in the league though, but won’t put up those sames Paul like stats (he just plays a different kind of game)…..

Still Chris Paul is clearly the best by a wide margin.

Tyger1147 is a douche bag

by majoyenrac on Jun 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

at this point,

i’d like to quote whoever it was that said

“basketball is a team game”.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jun 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are they really better?

Mentally and as far as disapline goes. Williams and Boozer to me have to lead that team better. No one may trust Barkleys opinion here but I think hes right they have put an imprint on that team yet.

Well in the games we played agianst Deron Williams he looked bad and I thought some people ran a bit as far as his defense.
On offense Paul relies on his speed for penetration, Deron relies on people respecting his jumper to me and he uses his strength to finish.
Deron wins in the range department to me and Paul has speed so I say he can stop penetration better.
But Derons size really helps in situations/matchups in the playoffs. I think he may need to grow as a leader.

Depending on the team I could take Deron over both or possibly Chauncey over both. Depending on how the team is built.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well that's often the case

With great players, some won’t fit as well with other teams as others….but I do think CP3 is a guy who can be unselfish to a t and would be a ridiculously awesome fit anywhere…..he is in the upper 5 of the league and will be for several years to come.

Tyger1147 is a douche bag

by majoyenrac on Jun 10, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somehow point guards are always discriminated against

When Wade, LeBron, or Kobe carry mediocre teams to the playoffs, it’s “Wow if only they had some good teammates.”

When Chris Paul does it, “Ah he just dribbles the ball for too long.”

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Well except for Kobe those few years

They were still talking abou him being selfish and not sharing the ball with players like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. Then even said he quit on his team.

It was really funny to me that everyone said Lebron was tired in his game 6 vs the Magic and his teammates were the ones failing.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because he was selfish

And wasn’t sharing the ball. Him scoring a ton of points was the only way they could have made the playoffs.

LeBron probably was exhausted, just like Kobe was in last year’s Finals. Carrying the burden for your team isn’t an easy task when you’re surrounded by mediocre players.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well whatever you consider selfish

Because Kobe his first year without Shaq tried to let guys just play and they lost most of the time. Kobe got injured that year but that team wasn’t very good. The next year to me the team even got worse.

If anything I bet most people were hoping he wouldn’t pass he was doing mostly the samething Jordan did early in his career.

Now in Kobes series vs the Suns where they went 7 game they say he quit game 7. For Lebron in his last series they say he’s tired but they looked pretty similiar to me. I’m not saying either of them quit.
But they make sure you know that Lebron has mediocre players. But they didn’t want to mention that often for Kobe just 2 years ago.

by Camry on Jun 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not like he didn't put up a 30 PER in 2008 playoffs, beat

a 51 win Mavericks team in 5 games and then take the Spurs to 7 games in the semi-finals.

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Paul scored 6 points against the Rockets in a playoff game this year.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 10, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

question?

Hornets have 2 allstars right? Bulls have how many? Did we both lose in the 1st round. Ithinkwedidsir

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They lost to a higher seed that went to the Western Conference finals with an injury depleted team.

Not the same thing as losing to a team giving meaningful minutes to their red headed rally monkey.

And are you honestly trying to promote David West as some kind of difference maker?

by Scotter on Jun 10, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think so. yes.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Belize admits his bias but then tries to rationalize it to others.

I don’t understand this at all.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my rationality

is that Im a Bulls fan, so yeah..i think Derrick Rose is the best thing since slice bread…however, Im a basketball fan and so i sometimes look at things on the outside. So yeah..D Rose, is a rookie and our team is decent at best..but if anybody is sold on Chris Paul based on 4 yrs (esp just when he started to get notice last year) and say Rose should be traded or downgraded need to know that:

(A) Rose got his team to the NCAA final..i think Wake Forest didnt even crack the top 8.

(B) He plays withDavid West. And clown all you want about West’s wackness (yes that’s a word), but West would look better on the east and is far better than the PF’s Rose is playing with (TT, Gooden..and Id clown on Miller but he’s old and I like him..again im biased).

(D) I lost all respect for Chris Paul when he let his team lose by a gazillion points. Leaders dont do that!! Not in the playoffs..not even if your playing Denver.

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The standard to me is carrying a completely outclassed team to be competative.

E.g., MJ took a mediocre Bulls team to triple overtime against the eventual champion celtics.

I lost all respect for Chris Paul when he let his team lose by a gazillion points. Leaders dont do that!! Not in the playoffs..not even if your playing Denver.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 10, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

buy this man a beer!

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did we play the Nuggets, who took the Lakers to 7 games?

No, we played the injury-plagued Celtics without their best defensive player, and their best backup big man.

Every team in the West would have beaten the Bulls. You’re just being ridiculous. We’re all Derrick Rose fans, realism can still be used.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

question is

would we have laid down like the hornets did?

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um yes they did

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904230CHI.html

Did we all just erase Game 3 from our memories?

Our beloved Rose gets the ROY, then proceeds to shoot 4 of 14 and turn the ball over 7 times while Rondo gets a triple-double.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trailing by 35 at the end of 3 quarters

That’s giving up.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

THEY LOST BY 58!

58..are u seriously comparing that game to ours and..we won the next game! They lost the next game by 21. 21!

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uze crazee

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You ask if the Bulls have given up

I give you an example where they clearly gave up on a game and put no effort into it whatsoever.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok..well let's compare ur game to the bulls..

1 2 3 4 T
BOS 32 27 24 24 107
CHI 21 16 21 28 86

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by bad, lemme cont.

DEN (10-6) 36 25 27 33 121
NOR (1-4) 15 24 11 13 63

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bulls did good in the 4th qtr and showed “heart”…matter of fact, our 3rd qtr was a “decent loss”

by ur theory, the Bulls didnt give up..just got their ass kicked in the 1st half

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn’t that the game where the Bulls had a few 10 minute run in the 2nd qt with ZERO points and that pretty much sealed the game

by FIRE VINNY on Jun 11, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it was pretty sweet.

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 11, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but they showed "heart"

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Belize on Jun 11, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Flagged for not believing in point gods

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 10, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I hate you

by Option27 on Jun 10, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs

I hate you right back.

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

-1,000,000

Derrick Rose has done nothing remotely bad enough in life to deserve to be sent to the Clippers.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 10, 2009 3:46 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs

THE FATAL FLAW!

somebody has to go to the clippers. That is a pretty wretched fate. props.

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did I hear no? Because...

no.

Jesuse (intentional) Crist (also intentional).

Why don’t we trade him for a bag of steering wheels and a hot baloney sandwich while we’re at it? Maybe to the Kings for Nocioni and Ham on Rye?

"..what you mean? I'm a legend like Kareem!"

by CommittedToExcellence on Jun 10, 2009 5:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I don't

understand.

by McCabe on Jun 10, 2009 7:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

If Griffin was a force on the level of Howard,

sure. But he’s not.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 10, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

iverson

in his prime led Philly to an East title… and I think Rose will be better than Iverson because he is not going to look to be the main scoring threat…. Billups is a stud, and under rated… What about the Stockton teams back in the day? Without Jordan the Jazz would have won….

No Offense… but i don’t think you’ve thought this through enough. We have a top 5 point guard on our roster. (potentially the best in the league!) You don’t just give that up!

by 72-10 on Jun 10, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You wouldn't trade Rose for LeBron?

Hmm. I would.

Griffin is meh. If he came out last year, he’s at best the #3 pick, and it doesn’t make sense to trade down when Rose had such a good year.

The “teams cant win with a great point guard” argument is odd. Tony Parker is a future hall of famer, and Billups and Rondo are still in the discussion. The fact is, you need multiple great players to win a title. Does Jordan win titles without Pippen? Does Shaq without Kobe and Wade? Does Duncan without Ginobili and Parker?

Rose is on the fast track to being one of those great players. Maybe he’s not a Jordan/Shaq/Duncan, but he can be Tony Parker, maybe slightly better. Surround him with a couple studs (Joakim’s on track to be one) and a deep rotation, and we can compete like the 2004 Pistons or the 2009 Magic.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He mentioned contract situations

…so we can only assume that his proposed trade would factor in LeBron leaving after 2010, in which case I also would not make that Rose/LeBron trade. Now, if we could make that trade and get LeBron to sign an extension, then his analysis would obviously be different.

Blake Griffin is a good player but he is no better of a prospect than Beasley was at this time last year. PFs and Cs who put up huge numbers in depleted college ranks are a risk (see Oden, Beasley, etc.) I’d take Rose.

by nateroth on Jun 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so let's assume that Griffin will not resign after his rookie deal is up as well

Let’s assume

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Jun 10, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, You wouldn't trade Rose 4 Lebron, a 23 year old future HoF?????

Well, I’m guessing 99% of NBA executives wouldn"t trade Lebron 4 Rose either. I don’t think most would trade Rookie of Year Rose 4 unproven Blake Griffin either. Unless of course the Bulls had a young top ten PG to take his spot. Bulls are rebuilding. Hinrick will be 29 soon. He needs to win now. He probably has 1 or 2 good years left.

by sadafan on Jun 10, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

kirk hinrich has around 6 years left.

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

um, no.

you’d trade him for blake griffin, and not lebron?

please. i believe it’s already been said just about everyone would have taken rose over griffin if he had been in last year’s draft.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jun 10, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no more sending our rookie of the years to the Clips

Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski

by chibullsfan03 on Jun 10, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

For draft picks, too.

This deal is pretty similar.

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 10, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know how to disagree with that.

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather

Trade Derrick for Wade…..and a sign and trade of BG and our 2 first round picks this year….I mean for the Heat it’s better than Losing Wade for nothing….and well is a good trade in terms of talent/upside to boot.

Rose will be a better player than Griffin, I can feel it. Rose might be as good as Wade, but with Kirk in tow, we can manage. Let BG walk, and use the expiring Miller-James-Thomas next year or at the deadline to make a Bosh or Stat trade….

Bulls next year
Kirk
Wade
Deng
Thomas
Noah

with Miller, Salmons, Tim Thomas and a MLE signing…. we would be set and have room to get another big FA in the followign year…..

Tyger1147 is a douche bag

by majoyenrac on Jun 10, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

But Wade's a free agent in 2010!

Why would you trade a guy of Rose’s caliber for a guy who could walk in a year?

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because with a solid team around him

his hometown and the core we have and $$ to spend to make the Bulls even better, he ain’t likely to bolt….

And I’d presume that there would be some talks with the agent of course of a resigning, or perhaps we could start negotiations post trade if done this summer (not sure when they can open that up, but if we have the rights, I would be surprised if in July we couldn’t talk extending Wade off the bat)….

There are few that I’d trade Rose for, but D. Wade is definitely one of them.

Tyger1147 is a douche bag

by majoyenrac on Jun 12, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok tell me this...

When has a Power Foward been the focal point of a Championship team? Barkley, Malone, Kemp even. None of these guys won anything. Tim Dunan and Garnett are the only two and you can make a strong argument about Duncan being more of a center and Garnett having two other stars like Pierce and Allen.

Ok so you trade Rose and now you have a guy in Hinrich that really is a combo guard, a 30 yr old starting 2 guard who’s only had one good year in the league, and a over paid injury prone small foward? Congrats, you just made Joakim Noah the most reliable player on next years team.

by Dils on Jun 10, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was lumping dominant big men into one category

Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, etc. I think Blake can be up there

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

vomit

by M 80 on Jun 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

that was terribly terrible.

by smash! on Jun 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Question.

Are you that starved for Bulls news that you are suffering from withdrawl symptoms, causing you to have delusions?

Or

Are you that starved for attention that you decided to post something utterly ridiculous in an attempt to cause a stir and create controversy?

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Jun 10, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

im hungry now

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Answer

My father didn’t go to my T-ball games as a kid, so now I post things on BaB to get attention. LOOK AT ME NOW, POPS!! I’M A STAR!

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leaving Kirk as starting PG? to dribble the ball endlessly underneath the basket? Might as well turn the channel to watch reruns

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 10, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

damn

good point. But Kirk’s a leader that guys will rally around. For me, the iconic image of the Celtics series was Kirk almost about to fight Rondo and doing that “what now, punk?” dance with him. So his offensive game isn’t as good as Rose’s – I’m willing to sacrifice it as long as he’s still a leader that guys can rally around.

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And then they lost?

great leader right there.

by tuluse on Jun 13, 2009 5:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

kirk is not a leader guys rally around

that is a ridiculous statement. He has been here, what 5 years? I can’t think of one time guys “rallied around him.”

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 13, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me get this straight...

You want to trade DRose for an unproven player? This is the farthest thing from a legitamate trade idea I have ever seen! You have a potential franchise player who played a fantastic rookie season at 20, for a guy that may never average double digit points in his career? I like Griffin a ton, but he is not worth Rose until he has done something in the NBA.

Joe Smith averaged 20 and 10 for 2 seasons at Maryland. Would you trade DRose for a Joe Smith? I hope not.

by DRose01 on Jun 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not as bad as

everyone is making it out to be. Its a nice fantasy thought, but Rose is a proven commodity. Rose is playing in his hometown, a lot of marketing surrounds Rose, and to do this deal the pressure on Griffin coming in as also the #1 would be just plain ludicrous. Overall not a bad thought, but not realistic- nor does is have a snowball’s chance in hell of happening.

by Chisportfan on Jun 10, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I opened this thread expecting to read.

Trade Rose for Oden…Bulls need help inside and Blazers need help at PG…Both #1 overall picks.

In any case, no one is trading Derrick Rose right now…its just a bad idea.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

rose for lebron james

anyday

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is terrible on so many different levels I don't even know where to begin.

For Griffin?!?! Really?!?! What the fuck has he accomplished? He isn’t even as good as Beasley was last year. He couldn’t even cut it in the tourney and got upset by Syracuse.

Bad idea all around. Deserves a spot on www.failblog.com

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Jun 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

fail...

48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.

by Lt.Dan on Jun 11, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and by failblog.com

I mean failblog.org

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Jun 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This reeks of Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler...

by chicagosports23 on Jun 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

krumbs, dat u?

i actually expected something different from someone named benster. like re-sign him, start him at the two, make him starting pg, lol! and am really surprised anyone responded to this at all… the posts keep keepin’ on, so here i go too:

still, he asked

Don’t bust your shorts.

and

Throw me to the wolves.

so, welcome to blogabull benster!

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jun 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

those quotes are a pretty fast way to make sure I won't read the fanpost*

lesson: worry less about you and more about what you write.

(*another one being ‘trade derrick rose’)

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that said

I’ll also welcome benster to BaB :)

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why thank you

and we don’t allow self-deprecation here? blasphemy!

by benster on Jun 11, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

O YEA

THE POTENTIAL SUPERSTAR WE’VE BEEN WAITIN FOR SINCE U KNOW WHO RETIRED….AND U WANNA TRADE HIM AWAY….DUMBASS

by fresh2def on Jun 10, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I think this post is hilarious

by NittanyCub on Jun 11, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's talking about Tyrus Thomas, right?

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 11, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

Bulls Keep Rose this year and beyond. Worst Case scenario in the 4th qtr a real NBA coach would play Kirk @ pg(it just saves energy for your star(rose) he also is great @ defending point guards or in general in games, Rose play @ sg and not in a ray allen way but a in a wade like way, Deng plays @ sf yea we still have him(that’s assuming tyrus never learns how to dribble in the NBA, as a sf his athleticism, in combination playing level headed(which comes from experience and coaching only), would make a true star and if tt(TT is Tim Thomas) continues to show tenacity and understanding of the NBA game, (Big if) If we sign Bosh/Amare/Odom/ or Tyrus develops @ pf, we would only need continued development from Noah @ c.

We could also;
sign or sign and trade bg.
sign or sign and trade Odom.
sign or sign and trade Kaman.
sign some more back up big men to provide Noah with relief few years(Big men need it).
trade picks to move up for Jordan Hill(maybe Thabeet if he slips) Hill fits our O & D.
darft the best perimeter defender possible with 26 or 25(whatever pick it is), after drafting the most valuable post player with the 16.

There’s now way we sign Artest. OK seriously though bull fans If we sign star in 2010 wouldn’t you love Rose, Bosh, Artest, Noah, and whomever in the EAST! and say we keep tyrus off the bench we would easily have a top five defense really the best depending on the other role players and the coach.

by BullFan on Jun 11, 2009 2:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

D Will>CP3

Deron at this point is slightly better than Paul for the following reasons:better defender and better shooter.

Paul is faster and a slightly better passer. Deron has much better size.

Deron’s size, D and ability to shoot will allow him to play more effectively for longer…once Paul gets older and loses some speed, his game will suffer quite a bit.

Look at how Billups is over 30 yet still very effective. Jitterbug PGs tend to lose a lot once they age.

by C Smoove on Jun 11, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Like Isaiah Thomas?

Being taller is not a good argument. Nor is saying Deron is slightly better now with no evidence to back it up. There is no evidence to suggest that Deron will decline at a slower rate than Paul.

So Billups is good and so is Nash so was Thomas so was Kevin Johnson so was Tim Hardaway. See I can cherry pick names of guys who had games similar to styles to Paul too.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 14, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul is better than Deron.

Seriously, I don’t see how it’s close.

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 14, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's a lot of weirdness going on in this thread

But the biggest issue to me is that when you start talking about swapping guys this good, there has to be some kind of compelling rationale from both sides.

And I can’t really see that with any team.

BullsTwo

by Sports2 on Jun 11, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no

as simple as that, no.

by jeah23 on Jun 12, 2009 1:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Blake Griffin is autistic. So you want a white autistic guy over a rookie of the year?

are you blake griffin?

Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens

by Juan dela Cruz on Jun 12, 2009 3:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hispanic people suck.

BullsTwo

by Sports2 on Jun 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FU

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 14, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So after the trade you are looking at this roster

PG: Kirk Hinrich – Lindsey Hunter (or other minimum salary vet)
SG: Ben Gordon (maybe) – Anthony Roberson (unguaranteed)
SF: Luol Deng – John Salmons (or starter on SG if Gordon bails) – Linton Johnson (unguaranteed)
PF: Blake Griffin – Tyrus Thomas – Tim Thomas
C: Joakim Noah – Brad Miller – Aaron Gray – The Ghost of Jerome James

Coach: Vinny Del Negro

Sounds like a plan. Well, the guard glut should really be solved after this deal.

by Norsktroll on Jun 14, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

After Lindsay Hunter dies from playing too much we can use Roberson as our backup PG!

Success!
It works in NBA 2k9! :D

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 14, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs