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Jerome James and the luxury tax

Ahhhhh...retirement. (via 1.bp.blogspot.com)

Ahhhhh...retirement. (via 1.bp.blogspot.com)

Intrepid poster 'Tommy Udo 6' on the RealGM board managed to get an answer from NBA cap guru Larry Coon regarding Jerome James' (he of the likely medical retirement and insurance paying 80% of his salary next season) cap impact on the Bulls.

The salary counts [towards the salary cap]. It doesn't matter whether insurance is paying it...The Board of Governors can exclude the salary of disabled players from the luxury tax, and typically does so.

In the dregs of pre-draft-and-free-agency Bulls news, what followed is what one could consider 'spreading like wildfire' in the Bulls Blogosphere (there sort of is one now!). The story was linked by both Bulls Confidential and DaBullz.com under the headlines of "Jerome James may not count towards the luxury tax" and "Jerome James Could Be Excluded From Bulls’ Luxury Tax Calculation":

But I'm not sure that's what  Larry Coon is actually saying:

the Board of Governors can exclude the salary of disabled players from the luxury tax, and typically does so.

It could just be miscommunication since Tommy did specifically ask about the luxury tax calculation. But Larry Coon's answer says to me that the salary is still counted in the luxury tax calculation, but the Bulls would not have to actually pay a luxury tax on James’ salary. Meaning that even though there’s a scenario where the Bulls wouldn’t pay any tax on James, they would still be considered a ‘tax paying team’ due to their cap number being over the tax threshold, and therefore miss out on the few million that gets doles out from the tax-paying teams to the rest of the league.

That scenario (contingent, by the way, on James retiring, and the sticky fact that the Bulls knew he was injured when trading for him) is still a savings over the alternative (the dollar-for-dollar payment on whatever James made that put the Bulls over that threshhold), but it still wouldn't rectify the fundamental truth that the Bulls would lose financially if over that tax threshold. And as the (by far) most profitable team in the league, we've been told that fact matters.

But if it is true that this effectively gives the Bulls an extra $6m under the tax threshold (though wouldn't we not know until the end of next season?)...it would be a neat wrinkle in the Bulls plans, and yet another reason why that Larry Hughes deadline deal was fairly tremendous.

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You left out the most exciting part.

Here.

said Commissioner David Stern recently, "nobody in the NBA understands the intricacies of the salary cap better than Irwin Mandel"

If there’s a way not to pay, the Bulls will find it. They can still not re-sign Gordon w/ the excuse that they won’t know for sure about James until… whenever. Rightly so, in my opinion, although I think they should be willing to pay the tax and feel lucky if they don’t have to. If they’re not going to pay the tax to re-sign Gordon, they aren’t going to take the gamble that they’ll get James’s salary off the books, and that’s if that’s the correct interpretation.

(t/f/j: Tommy Udo 6 linked that in the comments)

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 8, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Neat.

Irwin Mandel also gets credit for coming up with the ‘swap picks in the same year to get around can’t-trade-consecutive-firsts rule’ in the Eddy Curry deal.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also..

got the Bulls a trade exception in the Ben Wallace deal. I am not sure if the Bulls ever used it though.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 8, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just reading the word larry hughes

makes my spidey senses tingle

Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.

by Belize on Jun 8, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time Jerome James has been useful since that playoff series against the Kings a few years ago

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by Big D on Jun 8, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's where the picture is from :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope James thanked Brad Miller every day this season after the trade

He got to play against a gimpy Brad Miller, who was just coming back from a broken leg, and looked like an All-Star. 6 good games in his career, and he got a huge contract. God bless the NBA. At least he was able to upgrade that garbage bag to an actual cape.

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by Big D on Jun 8, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It didn’t help Rick Adelman in the long term. A lot of people, mistakenly, believe the Kings should have beat Seattle that year.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a) It would be easier if James actually wants to retire and hands in his papers. If he doesn’t, you could be looking at a Darius Miles situation who was medically retired – and then came back with another team. The independent doctor only confirms that the player shouldn’t play anymore to get him off the cap and clear his roster spot, not that he can’t. If he does, he is more like Eric Snow and you don’t have that looming problem. The next CBA should make things clearer on this, but this won’t happen until 2011.

b) Bigger problem: The league denied the Knicks petition for a disabled player exception in the Cuttino Mobley case, precisely because the “injury” was sustained while playing for another team. While medical retirement is a different animal, I would assume the league won’t look favorably/differently on the James case.

by Norsktroll on Jun 8, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on point b)

as far as Miles, Pritchard was blackballing him from the league, and it’s best if Blazer nation just admit they root for a scumbag :-p

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're talking about rooting for MIles, nein?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty he's going to count

Some of you might remember from back when the trade went down I came to the conclusion he’d come off the cap and not count for luxury tax purposes, but back-tracked when I read things in more detail.

Of course, I read Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ, and the guy making the assertion here about the LT is… Larry Coon, so I guess that’s a new wrinkle.

One problem I see is that I don’t know if the NBA prospectively rule on such things. They usually wait until it becomes an actual, live issue. That is, I don’t think they’re going to pre-emptively say James doesn’t count; more likly they’d wait until the Bulls were actually over the LT, at the end of next year.

Of course, that’d be a problem for the Bulls, since it’d mean they would have to make their decisions now without actually knowing if James counts for LT purposes.

by Sports2 on Jun 9, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

wait, are you suggesting a 'timetable' for making a decision?

the Bulls hate those!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, that's what i said

If they aren’t willing to sign Gordon and be over the tax, they aren’t going to sign Gordon, be over the tax and hope (fingers crossed!) that the NBA rules in their favor later.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 9, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the Bulls will not know for sure until the end of the season. However they may have enough

guidance from the League Office to risk signing Gordon. The League Office may provide the necessary guidance making it likely they will rule as per Larry Coon

the Board of Governors can exclude the salary of disabled players from the luxury tax, and typically does so.

by chgobr on Jun 9, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the relevant questions is what "typically" means

1. How many similar situations has the BoG handled (meaning disabled players acquired from trade).
2. How has it handled them.

The Bulls will know if it’s a purely pro forma exercise, I guess. If it’s anything more than that, it’s probably not something the Bulls are going to consider.

by Sports2 on Jun 9, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this good or bad? I got confused......

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

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by J Theory on Jun 9, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

With the Bulls, nothing is black or white.

It’s good and bad.

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on Jun 9, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

like life...

the bulls are life!

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jun 10, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better slogan than "Love it Live!"

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 10, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Love Life Live!"

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on Jun 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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