On the eve of Ben Gordon's free agency
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT
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(Actually, it's minutes away as I type this.)
We've seen several reports trickle out over the past few weeks about the Pistons interest in Ben Gordon. The latest being Chris Broussard throwing out the $10-11m offer from Detroit, though maintaining that the Bulls and Gordon's mutual interest will keep Ben a Bull.
It'll be very interesting to see how fast things play out from both Detroit's and the Bulls' perspective. Things have changed for the Pistons in the past 24 hours: Michael Curry has been fired (and that was rumored to be in part to placate incumbent SG Rip Hamilton), and Carlos Boozer will not opt out of his contract with the Jazz (they could still trade for him, however). Will they be agressive and target Gordon immediately? Does Curry's firing mean a dedication to Hamilton, a well-paid player at the same position as Gordon? Will they wait and see what the Bulls do first?
And what exactly will the Bulls do? We've all read that they want Ben back, but it's a contract offer that truly talks. They haven't made any cost-saving trades to free up money to sign him under the tax. They apparently have not even talked to him since the end of the season.
When free agency begins, the Bulls can choose to pursue Gordon, or stick with the 'wait and see on the market' approach that lasted all through last summer. Except this time, Gordon does not have to wait. Which is especially bad from the Bulls standpoint, as they love 'process' (which seems to consist of a lot of waiting). I can certainly see a scenario where Detroit's offer is made (or OKC?), and Gordon immediately takes it.
Broussard maintains in his report that the Bulls need to come 'anywhere close' to an opposing team's offer for Ben to stay, as he ultimately wants to return to Chicago. Maybe he would give the Bulls the tiebreaker (I have to believe the money has to be fairly close, however) in order to stay with the only team he's known. The previous two summers of negotiations have been acrimonious, but both the Bulls and Gordon were fairly professional when the games began: the Bulls started Gordon more than at any time in his career, and he responed with a very good season.
But it's only a 'tie' to break if the Bulls actually make an offer. If Gar Paxdorf can't get its story straight, I don't see the incentive for Gordon to wait on them. Last time he waited the Bulls pulled their offer.
So I won't believe for a second that the Bulls 'really wanted' Ben Gordon back (and if I'm not being clear: they should want him back) if they tell us Gordon never gave them the chance to match. The Bulls lost that right by failing to sign him up to this point. It's possible that previous offers Ben rejected will never come again, and he'll lose the negotiation. If there is no Detroit offer, and with no options Ben comes back for a more modest contract, the Bulls make out very well. But if Gordon gets that offer from Detroit, even if it's less than what he once turned down: Gordon loses, and the Bulls lose. And since we're Bulls fans, we lose too.
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KC says the Bulls have contacted ben.
A busy Tuesday for Joe Dumars began with the Pistons’ president of basketball operations firing coach Michael Curry and ended with him making overtures for guard Ben Gordon as NBA free agency began at 11:01 p.m. Chicago time.
The Bulls also contacted Raymond Brothers, Gordon’s agent, who has turned down offers of $50 million over five years and $54 million over six years the previous two summers. -Tribune
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Presumably the Bulls offered Gordon a contract.
But my sources tell me, that all that happened during the phone call (it was a conference call) was Jerry Reinsdorf telling Ben Gordon to remain professional throughout the free agent process, and then Gar Forman re-iterating 10 times that it’s a process.
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get nauseous every time I read the name "Reinsdorf" or "Forman" or "Paxson" at this point
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, he got you.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear, made of teflon
However, with an organizational commitment to improve defensively, Hinrich’s ability to guard and play both guard positions could be seen as more valuable.
I bet the Bulls entertained the idea of ‘versatility’ allowing them to only start 4 players, saving them some dough.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, the Bulls don't care about keeping their best players. Versatility wins!!!!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big shooting guard in James Johnson FTW!
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF!
Why in hell after all these years of Kirk Hinrich suckage would they think this? No! This is a cop out.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I resent that
hinrich isnt suckage…just average…..(which yfbb would say is worse…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if your average and getting paid 9 million a year
then you suck
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really..
i think he is an average player for 9 mill (if he were getting the mle he would be a spectacular player)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Bucher is saying BG to Pistons...
but hey Kobe would never play for the Lakers ever again….so.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for that Bucher video to pop up online
I read the same thing. I don’t think Broussard is right very often either…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please let us know what he says
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far he's only said that Rasheed Wallace
is looking at the Spurs/Celtics. KG has been texting him non-stop trying to get him to come.
And Cuban is meeting with Kidd at the moment. Will keep updating, as the interview goes on.
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The only thing more obnoxious than the Celtics in general would be the Celtics and ’Sheed together.
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by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher said he expects the Pistons to offer
BG 10-11 million dollars tom.
They want him for his clutch shooting that they’ve missed since they shipped off Billups.
He thinks the Bulls won’t try to match
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
All day I’ve been so bummed. BG is probably my favorite Bull outside of Noah.
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose, BG, and Noah
are the most exciting on the team as far as what they do on the court.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is also exciting
Problem is, it’s every 5 games or so.
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to add him to the list
but the fact he has every ability to be awesome but doesn’t capitalize on it often pisses me off too much.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've pretty much given up on Thomas
were not gonna resign him next year anyways
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pistons can sign him too and watch as he finally learns how to succeed
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by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same clutch shooting
Billups was missing during the playoffs. :D (still pissed Billups had an off series there at the end)
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, just caught it
says the same thing about $10-11m offer, but ‘that should be enough’ for Gordon to go.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't even mention the Bulls
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they're going to be paying $21 million at the SG position?
And Ben is going to come off the bench?
Huh?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, seriously
does anyone see Ben and Rip playing on the same team? WTF?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can trade Rip Hamilton
I checked the CBA.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wants that contract? And is Ben really that much of an upgrade?
He’s a worse defender. Makes more threes and is more explosive, I guess, but I don’t see how he’s worth $11 mil to that team when they already have Rip. I guess he’s younger, but…
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't Rip had attitude problems?
Seems like they are trying to change team chemistry. Since it sucked this year after all. Have to shake things up.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why they fired there coach
to make rip happy
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they just fired the coach he was having problems with and also
jettisoned the player he was having problems with, so it seems they think that Rip wasn’t the problem.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Curry was a horrible coach
His problems were far more numerous than just not getting along with AI and Hamilton.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit?
But not getting along with Rip was one of the many problems he had, so it was certainly worth pointing out.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rip is also one of the problems with Detroit
Their veterans acted like no one in the NBA caught up with them, and winning 50+ was some kind of formality.
The team is obviously moving in a different direction. Boozer is staying in Utah, they can’t really make a huge splash in FA to stay competitive with the top teams. Going after Gordon, and say Gortat with their cap space, seeing what Stuckey turns out is a good course of action.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really think BG is going to help that much
and be that big of an upgrade over Rip on the court and in the locker room, then sure, throw him that $11 mil. I highly doubt it helps their team all that much.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, I looked this up
they can trade Rip Hamilton
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they "can"
But really, how often do you see near-lateral moves like this happen?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren't lateral moves
more likely than any other?
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
noooooooo shit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually you try to get more than just marginally better
especially when you’re spending $11 mil on a player you basically already have. Whether you can trade the incumbent or not.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting marginally better while getting younger?
that’s better, no?
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually you're limited to chosing amongst your available alternatives
And the Pistons only have so many of them. Rip is, at worst, locked in for this year and next year, and he’s 31. And it’s reasonable to expect he can be traded for something decent.
Ben is just 26 and looks like, with respect to age, injury, and productive history, about as sure a bet as you can make in free agency.
In short, it’s a solid long term move, even if it’s not a home run. Unfortunately, most moves aren’t home runs.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I can feel the pre-BG-leaving-anger in your posting already tonight.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the shouldn't even pay Gordon 11 million
and we got more talent than the pistons
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He didn’t play Maxiell enough either…
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by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Rip is on the same boat out as they are.
Who knows how far the Pistons thinks the rot goes.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if a team is able to unload ben wallace
then anyone can get traded, thats my philosophy
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
they’d have a 5 year deal with Ben Gordon. That’s time to figure it out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
either way
Rip is still a valuable piece to probably all teams vying for a championship. He would look good in a cavs uniform
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't space the floor around 'Bron, not sure he's a great fit in CLE.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver??
Dahntay Jones could be lost to FA, JR Smith is still mentally obtuse.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I can’t see Rip’s polished game fitting in with Denver. Besides the fact that he played with Chauncey, I think Denver would be too fast and physical for Rip.
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by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland needs another wing player
that’s all i’m saying
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who would space the floor around 'Bron
Ben Gordon
:P
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by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
the pistons should’ve done the celtics deal and then signed Gordon cause I think Stuckys overrated. Rondo and Gordon would be sick even though I hate Rondo
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT is a thought.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN has had on two NBA analyst...
both have sung to different tunes on BG.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That way at least one ESPN guy was right!
Trying to cover all their bases
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're singing different tunes on the Bulls
Both say the Pistons will make an offer. They differ on whether the Bulls will.
by Sports2 on Jul 1, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least kc says the bulls are at least "courting" gordon
…..thats progress!
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't be fooled!!
courting=PROCESS!!!!!!
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That KC article was horrible.
He wrote: “ended with him making overtures for guard Ben Gordon as NBA free agency began at 11:01 p.m. Chicago time.”
When I was looking at the article for the first time, it was around 10:05 Chicago time. So KC Johnson must have a time machine.
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kc doesn't add anything to anything
and now he is making up lies, how does he know that Dumars just called Gordon, where are his sources?
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
The next step is “going steady”
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by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, of all teams...
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Pistons?
Where did I read he wants to stick it to JR every time they play each other? I don’t know hope thats not true.. can’t see the daggers or torches going down on us.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe the Pistons
are just trying to drive up the price on BG
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as do I
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the pistons
Man .. how many days do you think it will take for him to decide
by Faizamaze on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucher thinks BG will be one of the first
to agree to a deal
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well after having an offer pulled on him last year
i can see why.
by M 80 on Jul 1, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you guys watching ESPN?
I think it’s baseball tonight..ehh
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My prediction is this follows the Bulls standard MO
They will not pursue Gordon hard. They will only offer after DET or OKC (given the chance), and that offer will be lower than whatever Gordon has in hand. They are willing to take Gordon back, but only on the most favorable terms. Matching a DET offer will be too expensive (or risky depending on whether you see Gar Paxdorf as cheap or just incredibly over-cautious).
I think this falls out the same way pursuing someone like Gasol or Kobe did: the Bulls are only willing to except a perfect deal for them, a clear win. And if that deal doesn’t emerge they are content to construct a less talented team.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
probably true
But Gordon and Bulls fans deserve better
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy should have been fired
immediately after the draft just for drafting Taj
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Reinsdorf
Wait, shit.
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"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In past years
have there been many deals done right at the midnight(11 pm for the correct time zone) or there about?
by FIRE VINNY on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I pay for your username?
FIRE VINNNNNNY!!!!!!!
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should squat on FIRE GAR...
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or FIRE GARPAX
there any many different way’s FIRE can go… lol
by FIRE VINNY on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow GARPAX
Garpax sounds like a villain from some epic fantasy series. Just imagine it…
“The mighty Rose Warrior slashes through the barren lane with the help of his Elven friend, Kirk of Hinrich, to slay the evil GARPAX and save Ben, their magician friend. Along the way, they enlist the help of many other creatures like the Joakim the Ogre and Golum’s cousin named Sam Cassell.”
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by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec for not calling Gordon the 'dwarf'
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did just see JR Smith has been sentenced to 30 days in prison
by Option27 on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's 90
But he’ll most likely just serve 30.
Not sure though. Too busy focusing on Gordon-mania
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was recently on the Eddy Curry show.
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's scary that JR smith and Curry actually hang out together
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but not now..
one in jail and one’s losing his house..
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homeless people often end up in jail soon after.
So don’t count Curry out just yet!
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by Andrew7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on Doug's blog?
yup…who cares though. He’s a dumb ass.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we allowed to mention that here?
on Doug’s blog?
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, why not?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, I linked his blog on this very post.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's where i got the blake/outlaw unguaranteed info from
of course, i stepped away from this thread for like an hour and you beat me to linking to the source
by Calogero on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually suggest linking any factual info, especially when contradicting someone...
…right from the get-go. Saves a lot of hassle and bickering.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know a quicker way to save that...
:-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just believe everyone?
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i know
i just had to run off to a meeting and didnt have time.
by Calogero on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You deleted his last FanShot rather quickly, and called him a spammer before that.
Made me wonder.
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok seriously
i never really paid attention to FA so should i stay up or will this signing process take another few days?
by Faizamaze on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It should at least be fun for another hour.
Sometimes guys are signed a minute after midnight and sometimes it just takes a little bit. Who knows with BG, but it is still interesting to see what goes on with the other teams tonight.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping for a Bosh or Amare trade TONIGHT
who cares about BG?
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're gonna be more disappointed
then us BG hopefuls
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, no one is signed. There is a 7-day moratorium, no?
It’s basically a non “restricted” chance to match.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rocket's GM just tweeted
He’s meeting with Gortat
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does anyone know dumars tweeter?
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG has Myspace...
who still has Myspace?
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i gotta hit him up
and get the latest info on FA
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't go into that pre-teen hell hole.
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by cranscape on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had his AIM screen name for a long time
Let me see if I can dig it up
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG4307
He’s not on often and when he is it’s usually from a mobile.
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't sleep until I know the fate of BG.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't sleep period
always on BlogaBull!!!!!!!!!
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only weirdos post to a Bulls blog in the middle of the night! ;)
I don’t sleep period
always on BlogaBull!!!!!!!!!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG has to re-sign for our sanity!
Homecoming
by illwill on Jun 30, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RealGM is reporting that
The Pistons are trying to get Big Baby.
As long as they stay away from BG I dont care who they sign
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Baby sucks
I don’t know why teams want him. He only was able to score on us because we suck at defense. He didn’t do anything during the regular season.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding Big Baby is amazing. All-Star in the making
(secretly hoping Dumars is reading Blogabull)
by Edicus2288i on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too be fair
Big Baby makes more sense for them then BG. You know they did lose their starting Front Court. Unless BG is going through one of those “Deng/Tyrus Summers” where he grew 10 inches, I don’t see how he helps their front court holes.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Rip be moved for a front court guy?
I know we are used to how the Bulls “process” things, but other teams actually can get deals done.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno who would be on the market except maybe Boozer
Hamilton for Boozer?
I dunno
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the jazz could use another guard to play alongside williams
and that would allow them to sign millsap because they would actaully be able to start him
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys i have an idea
lets all donate 20 dollars and buy the Bulls. We will then sign BG
Who is in?
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by gocubs526 on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
I would, but we would need to put in more than that
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so we have
260 dollar. lets kepp it going guys
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by gocubs526 on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me ask my Mom..
Fuck it! Im 28 I’ll go in her purse! jk
by SoulEater7 on Jun 30, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
360 DOLLARS WERE ALMOST THERE
im puting in an extra 500
860 DOLLARS
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by gocubs526 on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should call up Jordan
stop him from buying the Bobcats.
Jordan owns 50%
Blogabull the other 50
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im thinking more of a
98.2% jordan
.2% BaB
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by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds more reasonable
anybody here go to U of I who can get a message to Jordan through his son?
by runningman on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 months
6 months.
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by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad news guys.
JR just spent your money on a failed hockey team. Better luck next time.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did he really?
I know that was a rumor
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome comment
Rumor has it Alex Brown keeps Chris Simms' right index finger in his back pocket for good luck.
by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we get a school bus and take an inspiring cross-cty trip to the UC to plead our case?
Maybe we can challenge the assistants to a 5 on 5 game … for all the marbles!!
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by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the jazz could you another guard to play alongside Williams
and then they can resign Milsap because they would be able to give him a starting role
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a co-owner of the Green Bay Packers
I’m not sure if I am ready to own another sports franchise.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Sam smith
wait, if we sign ben gordon.. to a like say 11 mil contract.. we would be around 74 mil right
then what, do we have till the 8th to get rid of hinrich?
by Faizamaze on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we have all the time we want to get rid of hinrich
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, lux tax isn't calculated until nxt off-season
but you can’t waive non-guaranteed contracts after the season starts. or something
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct
even ‘expiring’ deals don’t work in that case. I think there may be a few deals that become fully guaranteed midseason, but it’s only min wage types.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Only non-guaranteed salaries for next season can be traded for Hinrich...
…to save the club from the lux tax. Unless our friend, somewhere in this thread, who claims the deals became guaranteed last night, is correct. Guarantees in deals are pretty flexible, so it could be. But that’s why Blake and Outlaw are appealing to so many.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude im so down...
ill drop 100 dollars
by Faizamaze on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kc johnson
also mentions that the blazers may covet Gordon
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all he's saying is it's a possibility
where did you hear turk to the blaze?
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher..
Toronoto is fading on him..that leaves Blazenland..
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all he's saying is it's a possibility
where did you hear turk to the blaze?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The blazers seem to be after
every Free Agent.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just trade them Kirk
That way it takes away their cap room and gives us cap room
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their contracts are
guaranteed now. Which kinda sucks.
We dont really need Outlaw. We have enough Forwards.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would need blake
if we get rid of Hinrich
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
And many blazers edge fans will confirm this, they can trade hinrich for blake straight up….if they get “Head o’ Turkey glue” will they be willing to send Rudy over….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I know
because they have cap space, which would really be the perfect move for us to create cap room to sign Gordon
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are they guaranteed now?
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not
both are unguaranteed…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proof
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/blazers.jsp
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theyre both guaranteed
they became guaranteed at midnight
by Calogero on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe you. Find me a source.
That goes against about everything else I thought I’ve read.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's right, tyger
I know I’ve read somewhere that both contracts became guaranteed last night.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Jul 1, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here: 'unguaranteed if waived before 6/30/09
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/blazers.htm
process wins again.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. That sucks.
Although, to pick nits, “before June 30, 2009” would have guaranteed it the nigh before, not last night.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Johnson is full of shit
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
so it is midnight our time. Maybe JR just got on the phone…
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha he always seems to be an hour late with everything
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or two days early on the deadline that Gordon has to sign a contract offer.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 1, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck it i got skool tomm
im out
watch imma have a dream that we sign him,
and wake up and find out Gar cheaped out like a bitch
by Faizamaze on Jul 1, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And worse
that the Pistons signed him for 6 million a year
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is July 1st. what school do you go to?
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by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People do take summer school
….Just saying…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking some summer classes
But they’re journalism classes so I could use staying up late and following FA news as an excuse to sleep through class…
Rumor has it Alex Brown keeps Chris Simms' right index finger in his back pocket for good luck.
by HanelucaTC on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The summer kind maybe. >:D
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
School, in the summer?
GOCUBS IS CONFUSED.
by NittanyCub on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Med school
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have school too
because I’m lazy and like extra credits!
It’s really … not so great though.
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by Prevenge on Jul 1, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well RealGM is reporting that
The Pistons are working on signing Hedo.
And if they can’t sign him then they will turn to Gordon.
This is when the Bulls need to strike first. And get Gordon back
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would the pistons wanter turkuglu
they got prince, who is not much worse and is less expensive
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince is set to make $10M+
next season, Turk turned down like $35 over 4 years…I believe he wants more but even still he’s going to go for more than what BG wants…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm think 12 or more for turk
could be wrong, though
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrible offer for Hedo,
that’s like 8.7 mil/yr. Not much more than he is making now.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando is already about $5M over the cap
So they’re already paying the tax…not accounting for what they do for Gortat (who I think the Bulls should definitely look at) but w/ Turk they’d be a surefire contender. Turk is worth more than that now but I think his value is higher now than it will be probably in his career so why not cash in now if you’re him?
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are now, picking up Carter's 16mil. contract
Otis could’ve resigned Hedo and Gortat for not much more than that.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well shit...looks like Daryl Morey
in his infinite wisdom, is going after my favorite free agent center…figures.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's still $2M more
than he’s making now…quite a raise for a 30-year old player with an average career PER of 15.1…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it if he costs them too much
And then he suffers from the Wallace effect.
Not saying he will be useless like Wallace was.
But he is 30. Looking for a long term contract.
This has possible bust written all over it.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
the guy already looks slow, imagine him in a year or two
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember they were busting on him for his
defense during the Finals. he wouldn’t even put up his arms and let Ariza and Fisher get many uncontested three’s.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
and was a huge (MAJOR!!!) part of them getting as far as they did in the playoffs…wallace sucked in his offseason before we signed him, remember he was benched by his coach, and even the fans of detroit were making fun of the bulls for signing him for that much….i havent heard or seen anything like that about or from hedo.
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the fact that he is an aging wing player
and will be overpaid is the problem
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's going to be overpaid
he’s probably going to get at least 12 for 5 years for an aging player, that’s a lot of commitment
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be good for another year.
But to give him a huge long term contract has trouble written all over it.
He has been playing since 1996 with pro teams. He played for Efes Pilsen before he was with Sac-town in 2000.
He has some miles on him
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's at the end of his prime
I believe prime is 27-30
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean age, I'm talking game,
he’s playing better than he ever has.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but his age
is saying that he is about to slow down, if he was getting more playing time before he would be putting up great numbers and it wouldn’t have suprised as many people
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still has some years left,
Hedo has always had plenty of playing time.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not on sacramento or san antonio
he just started getting playing time since joining the magic
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been there a while.
5 seasons or something.
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My counter examples
First there is a possibility Hedo is like Nash, a late bloomer who his “prime” at a later age than most due, he is only since last year been slowing down.
Then we have a bunch of high level players who have been able to play at a high level into the early 30s….theres plenty of these guys
Jason kidd
K.G.
Shaq
Rasheedd Wallace
etc
And finally 30 is the best time to get a new contract, cuz most players can play at a high level until the age of 33.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picc
do you know the 1st day FA’s are able to sign contracts for 2009-10? I thought it was the 12th…is it the 8th?
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i found it
i didnt know i searched for it…i think you are right july 12 is the earliest…here is my proof
Dwyane Wade becomes a free agent on July 1, 2010. He could bypass that process and extend his contract as early as July 12, 2009.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-41-111/First-Cup—Friday.html
(its the 3rd bullet)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir...
I wish it were sooner the suspense is going to kill me. I left my job @ the Trib to pursue a better paying position so my days of blogging all day are numbered. It was fun while it lasted, hopefully KC will still respond to my emails…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's right, though.
You can’t sign an extension until you’ve been with a team for three years.
Wade was drafted in 2003.
He signed his first extension three years later in 2006.
I recall there being a slight delay when James, Bosh and Wade signed their extensions as they all wanted the opt-out years. 4 days seems likely.
Thus, July 12, 2009 would be exactly 3 years and able to sign an extension.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found an nba "master calander"
but all it had were dates for games (euro and wnba for some reason) i tried to do a general search on just extension signing periods and i got nothing. That was the closest thing i could find so….ill look a bit more but if you find a better link or the actual rule you should post it…
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you check cba faq? that's the first place i go?
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no search function = I give up
I’m like 9 Diesels deep by this point. Yay 5-day weekend!
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought about that
but i thought it would give more of some rule on how one become eligable not so much of when the period to sign would begin. So taking what you said, maybe a player can sign an extension after 3 seasons, but im sure there is a period that marks when that actual period (when the last season ends and the new one begins) happens. So the cba rules wouldnt name specific dates but probably just a guide of when they should approx. start…
Ill check cba rules though to see if i find something…
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bam
googled “cba faq” (no quotes) read through, #90
Season July Moratorium Players may be signed beginning
2005-06 July 1, 2005 through August 1, 2005* August 2, 2005
2006-07 July 1, 2006 through July 11, 2006 July 12, 2006
2007-08 July 1, 2007 through July 10, 2007 July 11, 2007
2008-09 July 1, 2008 through July 8, 2008 July 9, 2008
2009-10 July 1, 2009 through July 7, 2009 July 8, ’09
2010-11 July 1, 2010 through July 7, 2010 July 8, 2010
2011-12 July 1, 2011 through July 7, 2011 July 8, 2011
So, I was right about the 12th being the 3-year extension time rule, but was wrong about why it took that long. For some reason, they had more time in past years.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beat me to it
i was trying to figure out how to put it into a table to make it look pretty….
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q51
(number 51)
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever, i totally previewed that
they can sign july 7th, next tuesday at 11:01 CST (that’s wednesday EST)
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nm whatever i posted
yours is way better…(or rather completely relevent)
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool. Now back to Power Point.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait mines a bit different....
again the link: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q51 (its question 51)
Six or seven seasons Prior to July 1, 2005 Four years after contract signed
Six seasons On or after July 1, 2005 Three years after contract signed
Four or five seasons Any Three years after contract signed
Extended contracts Any Three years after extension signed
Renegotiated contracts* Any Three years after regnegotiation signed
Rookie scale contracts Any From the day following the July moratorium to the October 31 preceding the player’s last option season**
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if this is true then maybe it slows down the BG talks a few days?
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to tell.
Are we at the beginning of the process? The middle? The end? Maybe Garpaxdorf will enlighten us with a map.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to be at the end
I mean then wtf was the past 2 summer’s?
The BG contract situation ends now. We need to get him locked up and that is all
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got in...
I know July 12th is the 1st day FA’s can sign…but I know contracts can be offered as of 12:01…that Hedo news looks awesome
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I read somewhere
it’s the 12th…I guess I could be wrong. Anyone know for sure?
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think you're right
cause I know July 8th is when they announce the luxury tax threshold
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i posted the answer
above….
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a quick question about the future of this blog.
Will it continue if Ben Gordon signs elsewhere?
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jul 1, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it will continue...Matt is in charge of all the NBA blogs for SBNation
it will, however, be a lot more pessimistic…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't be here if Hinrich is starting next season.
Ok maybe…yes I will.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon man hinrich wont be startin
BUT SALMONS WILL AND HINRICH WILL COME OF THE BENCH MUWAHAHA!!!! (sorry)
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Deng's leg falls of after a few games
Hinrich might start.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's over
Same as Sue if Kirk gets traded.
by hlac on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure!
will the Gordon trolls like you survive? that’s a toughie. I’d hope you’d cease to exist on your own.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have no idea what a troll is
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by gobulls1124 on Jul 1, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do any of you nerds have a Twitter account?
Does BG/Raymond Brothers have an account? Are they saying anything? I refuse to join that stupid fad…call me old (I’m 25 shaddap) but that is just way too much info for me to care about…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone actually answer you
cuz doesnt that mean if they do they are also nerds (and btw i dont have one)
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by piccolomair on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a downer but Detnews checks in..
Orlando’s Hedo Turkoglu also is on Detroit’s radar, but he is considered a long shot. Toronto and Portland are the two most ardent suitors for Turkoglu.
Who knows if this could be a crap paper..
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland is WAY under the cap so they could certainly afford Turk
but as Matt pointed out earlier today, Paul Allen has the $ and that cajones to pay the LT so they’ll probably win out. And then Detroit will sign BG and I’ll hate both teams more, which I didn’t think was even possible…
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised Toronto is never mentioned as a suitor for Gordon
sure, him and Calderon would be pretty abysmal on defense. But they need shooting desperately.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I nominate the song "Gimme Shelter"
for this upcoming season. We’re going to need it when all this mess goes down.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling nothing will happen until Turk has signed.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BAD NEWS BG going to meet with the Pistons tomorrow?
but will go to Detroit Wednesday morning to visit with the Pistons, who are expected to offer the fifth-year shooting guard a multi-year contract between $10 and $11 million annually.
-Here
Bye Bye
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I cut some of it out..
Chicago Bulls free agent guard Ben Gordon, didn’t get an offer in the early hours Wednesday, but will go to Detroit Wednesday morning to visit with the Pistons, who are expected to offer the fifth-year shooting guard a multi-year contract between $10 and $11 million annually.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they were going after Hedo first?
by Ariel112 on Jul 1, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think so now..
Orlando’s Hedo Turkoglu also is on Detroit’s radar, but he is considered a long shot. Toronto and Portland are the two most ardent suitors for Turkoglu.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 1, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's his bucket is on ESPN saying he's in the air now, about to land.
So what, Detroit couldn’t come to Chicago for him? Maybe he’ll feel disrespected. ;)
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by wjb1492 on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the find
new fanshot is up for this.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also want to say
I’m proud of us Bulls fans. We’re all up pretty late interested in what’s going down.
I went over to the Pistons blog to see what they were talking about.
http://www.motownstringmusic.com/2009/7/1/931615/2009-nba-free-agency-has-begun
There’s their FA post. 0 comments.
They are probably gonna be one of the biggest spenders this off-season and none of their fans are up to see what goes down.
Gotta say I’m proud of our loyalty and dedication. 264 comments and going.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 1:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S. not trying to knock the Pistons blog
Just admiring our dedication.
by Edicus2288i on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not entirely fair
that’s a much newer blog.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls would be very foolish
to play it like last year. Ben is not a restricted free agent. Make your offer and let him decide.
The firing of Curry has changed everything. They’ve shown that they want Rip to be happy and signing Ben would not. Maybe they expect the Bulls to low ball him so they could give him a contract just above that price making him a sixth man. But the main thing that has happened is that things have changed.
They did not expect Orlando to let Turk go, Charlie V was made unrestricted, and Boozer did not opt out.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they go after Turk since Prince would be much easier to move than Hamilton.
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by J Theory on Jul 1, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they are being foolish...
…at least for what they want to accomplish.
a) Do no re-sign Ben Gordon. Jerry Reinsdorf made this clear when he gave interviews.
b) if you must, do it extreeeeemely cheaply
c) if you’re able to keep from signing him, make sure to paint him as the one who didn’t want to be in Chicago for the idiot masses that are Chicago sports fans.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what they want to do
and it’s foolish. Oh well I don’t want to think about it to much; trying to guess what this org will do will make your head explode.
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by J Theory on Jul 1, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let him go!!!
As good as he is, we should let him go. He is a classic example of getting better by attrition. He is too disruptive to the offense, and detrimental to the development of our young stars vis-a-vis Derrick Rose. Instead of signing him, should go after a quality 5, and avoid the hit on the salary cap from giving him the money he thinks he deserves.
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by darealting on Jul 1, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
quality 5
You mean sign Marcin “The Polish Hammer” Gortat? Who else is available?
Ideally, Gordon would resign with the understanding that he won’t be a starter (which doesn’t preclude him being a “finisher”) mostly because of his size and defense. But he can score the ball like few others.
by kozzer on Jul 1, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disruptive to the offense?
He usually was the offense. He’s far from a perfect player, but he can put the ball in the hoop, and even with his D he is a plus on the floor. I think people will appreciate how talented Gordon was when he’s gone (Bulls management included).
And let me know how the Bulls are going to acquire a quality 5.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play Noah.
And let me know how the Bulls are going to acquire a quality 5.
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was he bad for Rose?
Rose seems to like him and only spoke well of him.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So many things wrong...
We have a quality 5 named Noah. If Gordon leaves, we have a bigger hole at the 2 guard then we have at the 5 now. We have no idea if Salmons or Hinrich can start all year at the 2 without hurting the team.
There is every reason to believe that our backup plans at SG will do more to hurt Rose’s development than Gordon will. Hinrich is not a spot up shooter, and neither is Salmons(along with being a ballhog). So you go from someone who can hit from anywhere to two options who are both worse shooters, and more hesitant to shoot. Rose needs guards who will space the floor.
Rose and Gordon played fine together last year offensively. Their real problem is that they’re not a good defensive tandem. I think Rose will have a better chance at developing his defense if he’s forced to defend good guards, rather than have Hinrich always take the harder assignment.
by runningman on Jul 1, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor is Kurt a "clutch" shooter. Ben is.
Hinrich is not a spot up shooter
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by Granny Waiters on Jul 1, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was no way BG would get more than what the Bulls offered last summer
That was what many people on here loudly insisted. Looks like the Pistons are about to prove those people wrong on day 1 of free agency.
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by Big D on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
meh, as with the Bulls, an offer makes me a believer
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we probably will be stuck with Captain Kirk
Noise being made that Portland is targeting Philly’s Miller in a trade for Blake. Which makes lots of sense and allows Bayless to be the future?
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/108814?eref=sircrc&eref=fromSI
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by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
think of it this way
if it wasn’t for Hinich’s shitty play there’d be no Derrick Rose!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Cup half full" type of guy today!
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually dont really get why portland would want miller
he’s not much of a 3 shooter and is really old. while millers probably had a better career and might even still be better than hinrich right now, kirk strikes me as a better fit with portland
by Calogero on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing until I thought about Kirk's shooting inconsistencies
therefore both provide other pg intangibles outside of shooting…
So maybe it’s a trade off between the two, and their thinking is hopefully Bayless becomes the future pg. Maybe the key is when Millers contract will expire relative to Kirk’s?
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich has 3 years left. The Blazers are good enough to be a Top 5 team now.
Bayless will not be a future PG until the future. Get Hinrich now. If it fucks Bayless, fuck him. Get another PG. You’re Kevin Pritchard for God’s sake. (I mean, for Pritchard’s sake!)
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The glut of potential talented point guards entering the NBA in this year's draft
coupled with a year of experience at season’s end, if Kirk isn’t unloaded this summer or midseason deadline, then Bulls might as well hang his jersey as the only active player to have number retired cause he won’t be going nowhere.
I just don’t know how I will stomach another year of Vinny excessive praising “Kurt” for doing basically a routine second team role player assignment at 9 million yearly after another Bulls loss.
man up!
by exult463 on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"might as well hang his jersey as the only active player to have number retired"
LOL! Reinsdorf has precedent with Harold Baines.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the Bulls will never give up Hinrich.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 1, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be cheaper.
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by J Theory on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't call salmons a ball hog
relative to ben gordon…
Ben Gordon being the offense is exactly why he was disruptive to the offense…. i don’t think i’ve ever seen him take an easy shot… always way too much dribbling and hoisting up ridiculous jumpers…
it is a little suprising that he might get more than the bulls offered him last year… if that is the case good for him, as long as its not the bulls offering him more….
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by darealting on Jul 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon hits more ridiculous jumpers
than Hinrich has hit wide open jumpers. When you are a shooting specialist those “ridiculous” shots are all practiced and perfect. You can’t really criticize him as if he was someone else trying to do that. Gordon works on his shot constantly and doesn’t need to rely on having wide open shots to get a good one off. I seem to remember Rose taking a lot of hard shots last season. The good players who practice a lot can develop a more reliable hard shot than a normal players easy shot. Besides, all you have to do is look at the stats. He averages 20 pts a game and has a good shooting percentage. There really can’t be any argument against that.
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by cranscape on Jul 1, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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