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He won't be appearing at Minnesota's press conference to introduce their draft picks today, and his dad says he may stay in Spain another year or two. Oops.

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I guess this is what happens when you don't have Kevin Pritchard

Pulling voodoo magic to get star players to sign on the rookie scale.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Rubio knows the rules and knew he'd be drafted in the 1st round.

He knew he’d be under the rookie scale no matter what. Fernandez was different because he might have fallen to the second round and thus not under the scale.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

how can Rubio be upset? In the lottery you can’t pick who picks you.

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Jun 26, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has every right to stay in Spain another year or two if he wants

I don’t blame him for not being excited about paying a $6 million buyout for the privilege of playing for one of the worst franchises in the league, in a city with terrible weather. If he waits two years to come over, he won’t have to pay the buyout at all.

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by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

I think he’ll come over eventually. I don’t think it’s a bad idea either. If Flynn is looking like a bust, awesome, bring Rubio over. If Flynn is looking like a stud, awesome, trade Rubio whom you can only hope will have improved his shot and his bulk by then. I bet they could get A LOT in talent for him if he tears it up.

Fuck. I just thought… If he really, really wants out of Minnesota, and they won’t trade him.
09-10 – Play Joventut
10-11 – Play Joventut (hope his contract ends before the draft in June 2011)
11-12 – Sit out that winter playing w/ the Spanish team in preparation for the 2012 Olympics
June 2012 – get redrafted telling all teams he doesn’t want to play for that he won’t agree to terms with them and he’ll become a rookie free agent
Summer 2012 – play in the Olympics
12-13 – be a 22-year-old rookie playing for the exact team you want, assuming they have cap space

It’s a lot, but it’s legal, and if he really hates Minnesota or really thinks playing w/ Flynn would suck that bad… well? might be worth it to him.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he can reenter the draft. Minnesota owns his rights until he signs or they trade his rights.

But, I also don’t see how Rubio staying in Europe hurts the Timberwolves. He’s no where close to being an NBA player right now. He’s actually more valuable if his rookie contract begins when he’s 20 or 21 and more ready to play.

by Scotter on Jun 26, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I pasted CBA FAQ by Larry Coon below.

The relevant part:

* If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player’s draft rights for one year after the player’s obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team’s team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.

In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn’t sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops, the second part should be in a block quote, too.

I think I have most of the first part understood right. The “if the [new tea]doesn’t sign him…[he’s] a free agent.” is a little vague.

LINK

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he wants to play for a GM that drafted 3 PGs first round

The writing on the wall is in big letters. And the e’s are backwards.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

as Scott van Pelt said...

“Ricky Boo-hoo-bio”

Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski

by chibullsfan03 on Jun 26, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Why wouldn't the Wolves

have drafted Stephon Curry at #6 instead of Flynn?

You would have put together a great future backcourt in Rubio/Curry.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought Curry was the perfect player to play with Rubio

Curry could play SG and guard PGs, Rubio doing the opposite. I’m a Mullens fan too, and they could’ve went into next season with the lineup of…

PG Rubio
SG Curry
SF Brewer
PF Love
C Jefferson

with Mullens, Telfair, Smith, Gomes, and Carney on the bench. That’s a pretty exciting young team, and if I lived in Minny I’d pay to see a handful of those games live.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or gone with Henderson, had the sketchier offensive outlook...

… but a potentially dominant defensive back court with some potential of being really good. That team above is potentially really good on offense, but not so much on defense.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What happens if he goes back to Europe?

Can he re-enter the draft next year or does Minn. have the rights to him indefinitely?

by dakoose on Jun 26, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Answers.
The player’s options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors:

    * If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player’s draft rights for one year after the player’s obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team’s team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.

    * If the player was still eligible to play in college before he was drafted, the team retains the player’s draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not left college early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2005, they retain his draft rights until the date of the 2007 draft. Note that the current NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player could not return or go on to play college ball.
    * For all other players, the team retains the player’s draft rights until the date of the next draft.

In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn’t sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent.

When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA. These players may be signed according to the rules for scale contracts set forth in the previous CBA, including three guaranteed years plus one option year, at the scale salary for the year in which the player was drafted.

So, he can go back to Spain to finish the next two years on his contract. Sit out aand not play for anyone for a year. Then come back to be re-drafted. If no one drafts him then, he can sign with any team he wants.

Or he can demand a trade.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

the rookie scale is more than what he was making

he was making under 1 million dollars. and he had a 6 million dollar buyout…

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jun 26, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Except...

when you factor in that his rookie scale contract has him at 3 years and $10,542,960. After you take out the buyout (which I’m guessing might need to be paid all together?) he’s at 3 years $4.5M.

I’m not sure how this will play out, but unless he can make it up in endorsements (not as likely in MIN as in NY) then I’m betting he’s staying in Spain.

I wonder what his buyout is next year or is it always $6M for him?

Sometimes I think they seriously find the 30 dumbest guys in the world to be GMs. The team had 4 picks in the first round, and still messed it up!! Not to mention they were 4 picks in a generally agreed upon weak draft. They couldn’t turn any of those later picks into a mid 1st rounder next year?

by CubFan81 on Jun 26, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know ricky was trying to take his team to court

because the buyout was a ridiculous amount compared to what he made. i don’t remember the status of this lawsuit though.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jun 26, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

check this out

possible scenario

I should be a lawyer or something.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I am Ricky Rubio"

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Jun 26, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

He’s gonna get traded to NY this year. Watch.

by C Smoove on Jun 27, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

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