Guessing the Bulls' Thought Process

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 PM CDT Comment 57 comments

Ahhhhh.... Proooooooceeeeessssssss

What do you think the Bulls were thinking when they drafted Johnson? Maybe this FanPost is superfluous, but I wanted to get a general thought of the Gar Paxdorf thought process. Maybe we can keep the emotion out of this post. Maybe not.

The Bulls don't want to pay Gordon $11 million or even $10 million a year. They probably don't even want to pay him $8 million. I think they believe that, unless they get blown out of the water with a trade offer for Hinrich or no one else is willing to offer Gordon $7 million, they plan on keeping Hinrich and losing Gordon. Regardless of the Gordon-to-Detroit rumor, they have probably been thinking this since last year. Reinsdorf has even said, once Gordon rejected the offer, they realized they don't really need him.

With that in mind, the Bulls need to fill his spot. They'll do that with John Salmons and Kirk Hinrich. However, if they make Salmons the starting SG, they'll need a back-up SF. They also realize that their only back-up PF is Tim Thomas and Luol Deng for a few minutes per game. They could legitimately go to a 3-guard lineup now (Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Deng), but they shouldn't plan on that.

So the Bulls needed a back-up SF that could play right away. With that last qualification, exit Austin Daye, enter James Johnson. While I'm convinced this is as much a pick based on need over "best player available" (because I think DeJuan Blair is better and more of a sure thing).

The Bulls decided on this pick well before yesterday as all those rumors about moving up were about getting Johnson. They clearly thought Johnson was better than what most of us did. When the Bulls sat down and decided, "Let's try to take James Johnson." here's how I think they wrote the minutes out:

Rose 35 mpg - Hinrich 13 mpg

Salmons 33 mpg - Hinrich 15 mpg

Deng 33 mpg - Johnson 15 mpg

Thomas 35 mpg - Noah 13 mpg

Noah 22 mpg - Miller 26 mpg

That's a pretty decent 8-man rotation if Johnson is any good. Obviously, this isn't how it's going to play out exactly. They'll have Taj Gibson, DeMarcus Nelson, Tim Thomas and Aaron Gray to fill in for spot minutes and in for injuries. If Thomas and Rose progress well, Deng is healthy and Salmons doesn't go back to pre-2007 production, they should win 45 games. Hopefully, that still gets Vinny Del Negro fired.

When they didn't have to trade up for Johnson, they knew they could take Taj Gibson. I think he sucks, but DraftExpress intimated that they got reliable information from the Bulls yesterday morning that they'd take Gibson if were available.

Here's their live blog:

10:02 Nope, Chicago goes with Taj Gibson, which is what we predicted on our mock draft. Good advance scouting by DraftExpress I guess.

10:08 Some people give you bad information year after year…some people don’t. It’s nice to add a couple more correct picks to the tally here at the end of the first round.

So when they were able to get Johnson w/o trading up, they take Gibson. If he proves good enough to take minutes from Thomas, Noah or Miller, then so be it. If not, they still have Tim Thomas to fill in.

I don't think they have a plan for SG past next season other than to offer Dwyane Wade or Joe Johnson in Free Agency w/ Josh Howard and maybe Tracy McGrady (if they're cheap enough, CHEAP!!! god, I hope not) as short-term stop-gaps. If they need to include Hinrich and/or Thomas and/or Deng in a sign-and-trade, they have mediocre back-up plans.

I think they want to give Thomas one more year to "bust out" with the hopes that a trade for Amare Stoudemire or Chris Bosh presents itself. I really don't think they have much of a long-term plan (I don't think they EVER have), other than creating cap space. Or, in yfBB's words: getting rid of contracts to make money. They'll go into 2010-2011 w/ loads of cap space (at least $15-$17 million) and only nine players under contract (which would include next year's draft pick and Omer Asik). I'm sure their hope is that Thomas busts out, Deng stays healthy, Salmons opts out and Wade or Joe Johnson accept one less guaranteed year to sign outright. They'd be a Top-5 team in all of those actually happened.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. What are yours?

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haha

you said process

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jun 26, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I basically said the same exact thing with basically the same minute breakdown in another thread here…. id go and look for it, but those threads are now 200 posts long.

I agree with you completely. Gordon will be gone, Hinrich will be 6th man/30 min per game back up PG/SG. Johnson will back up both Deng (after salmons), and Thomas (after noah). and Miller will play 25ish minutes at the 5.

Everyone needs to get of the Blair bus. The dude may not even be able to play games every other night for 82 games. nobody knows. I like him, but only because there werent many better options. I am not upset we didnt get him, and neither should anyone else.

by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I still know basically nothing about Johnson, but

a little lightbulb went on in the other thread when another poster said “So what if Gibson isn’t a bruiser? James Johnson is.” And my first thought was “huh?”

And it dawned on me then, that’s one way this whole mess makes sense. They brought in DeJuan Blair twice, and they brought him in the second time with one other power forward: James Johnson. Gar and Friends saw them go head to head (both players over 250lbs) and, obviously, determined Johnson was better.

So they take Johnson at 16, and when Blair’s there at 26, there’s no need to get him because it would create a redundancy. So they get Taj Gibson, a beanpole PF they liked, to fill in if Tyrus leaves/is traded.

Gar came into this draft with two PFs, and he drafted two more first round. To me that’s a strong message that Tyrus is on his way out, and it makes sense after his benching in the Celtics series, and with an extension coming up. I don’t think Gar uses a #16 pick to draft a backup SF to play 13mpg. He drafted Johnson to potentially start, and be the bruiser alongside Noah.

Once again, I still know basically nothing about Johnson, and in the past week I’ve gone from saying “is Gar thinking he’s a SG?” to “is Gar thinking he’s a bruiser PF?” It’s wacky, but I’ve turned those picks inside and out and that’s the only way it makes sense to me. And that’s probably completely wrong.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i agree with Tyger

they drafted Johnson to back up both forward spots. If he develops, maybe you can plug him in as a starter if you trade Tyrus or Deng. But I can’t believe the Bulls thought they were drafting their starting power forward with the 16th pick in this draft.

They drafted the guy with the most potential, but it doesn’t mean they have blinders on regarding his flaws. I don’t think the Bulls move Tyrus unless they get a better player in return. They aren’t going to just dump him to dump him. I think Johnson is a big SF who works pretty good in a forward rotation with Tyrus and Deng.

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But if that's true, then

why would they pick Gibson over Blair at #26?

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because Gibson is versatile, and Blair isn't;

They think he’s going to be able to space the floor unlike Blair. And compared to Blair he can actually defend. There were significant questions about Blair’s ability to ever defend the pick and roll or defend away from the basket. And probably most importantly, they likely gave Gibson a promise. All of the comments from

by Scotter on Jun 26, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We've got guys to defend the pick and roll

The lack of a big post defender and stud defensive rebounder is a huuuge problem for us. I love Noah, but Kendrick Perkins picked him apart, and Perkins is an average starter. Seven Seconds Or Less doesn’t seem like a solution to this problem, Blair might’ve been.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said what the Bulls thought.

You asked why they drafted him over Blair.

by Scotter on Jun 26, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll just add

that I don’t think Tyrus or Miller defend the pick and roll particularly well. Noah is pretty good at it. Its not hard to envision Gibson being our second best defender on the front line behind Noah next season.

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's indefensible. There's no reason in my mind to do that.

But that’s a separate issue and not connected. It should be "Why draft a PF at all when they should have a SG/SF back up?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indefensible to me, anyway.

Others disagree.

I don’t think they were trying to find a bruiser. Other than Brad Miller, pretty much every guy on this team is skinny and fast. That might be a reason they need a “bruiser”, but I’d rather they just try to outrun the teams with Shaq and Ilgauskus (snap, that’s one team now) and Yao Ming instead of trying to draft DeJuan Blair to bang with them.

In that context, I’d rather have a PF in a SF’s body than a C in an “short” PF’s body. Maybe not. I would have taken Blair. Play him 15 mpg when they other team doesn’t have a PF that can “space” and get five more rebounds or something.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How possible is it to win a title without a big thick guy?

Outrunning Shaq and Yao works if you have Amare to hammer home bucket after fast break bucket at the other end. It doesn’t work as well with Noah, Tyrus, and Gibson missing easy layups and taking bad shots. And we aren’t outrunning Dwight Howard.

And we’re facing a big disadvantage if we can’t rebound defensively. We were 3rd worst in the NBA this year with a 70.9 DRB%. Slow and formulaic has beaten fast and frantic for years, and I’m not sure we have the personnel to buck that trend.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And DeJuan Blair is going to outrebound those guys.

I’m just trying to say what they’re thinking. Don’t argue it with me.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot to add "Kurt" to the list.

with Noah, Tyrus, and Gibson missing easy layups

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Jun 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Noah doesn't take bad shots

and he’s started dunking instead of missing easy layups.
:D

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by Prevenge on Jun 27, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

works pretty well

during the season, not so much in playoffs.

I’d rather they just try to outrun the teams with Shaq and Ilgauskus (snap, that’s one team now) and Yao Ming

refs call those games differently. everyone loves the playoff basketball @ 10 points less per team…

hmmm, that’s just a major peeve of mine, and i’m in agreement. they obviously didn’t envision blair running, if they have any vision, that is. here, i would mention the old cliché “you can’t run out without first grabbing the rebound”. also, the “banger” list is much larger than the obvious, usual suspects like shaq, yao, and z. most of the better teams hurt the bulls in the paint. boston killed them, and don’t forget about howard/gortat.

geez, this toughness/rebounding topic is such a no-brainer, any comment i make seems patronizing of the intelligence here (much as i.q. seems to go missing from time to time!).

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by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

SG/SF back up ... Kirk ..plays 3 positions

according to Paxs and VDN..

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with your analysis that the Bulls

were deciding between Blair and Johnson. But once they made the Johnson pick, I think the Bulls wanted the best defensive big available. Gibson is a good defensive player who has incredible range on the court. He can step out and cover some 3s, he can defend the 4 and he is a good help defender. You add in Gibson’s ability to step in and hit a jumper and I think the Bulls thought Gibson filled a specific role better than Blair.

I tend to disagree with that analysis, only because I view Blair as a far better prospect than Gibson. But if you thought both guys were only 15 minute a game players, than I can see how you would believe Gibson fills that role better for the Bulls.

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why wouldn't he do that? The 13th, 14th, 18th, 20th and 21st picks were all used on back-ups.

THE 16TH PICK IS NOT A LIKELY-TO-BE-VERY-GOOD PICK!!!

Besides, you’re really contradicting yourself. First, Gibson stinks and will stink. I don’t think they’re counting on him as much as they’re “hoping”. If you think Johnson can be a starting PF, then I’m assuming he can be good enough to be a back-up at PF. And I don’t want Deng playing 35 mpg if he doesn’t have to. 2-3 minutes isn’t a lot, but it could save him 200 minutes over a season. And of course, Deng is an injury risk. If Gordon is gone, Salmons is going to have to spend some minutes at SG even if Deng gets hurt. They’ll need a SF that can play more minutes than 15 mpg. And if Johnson does that, VOILA! They already have another back-up PF that might not be the worst thing in the world.

So the question should be: “Why would Gar spend the 16th pick on a SF/PF back-up that’s only going to see 25-30 mpg in an ideal situation but might also have to see 20-25 mpg at SF if Deng gets hurt again?” I guess the answer is still to reply with a question.: Why wouldn’t he do that?

If anyone outside of the typical lottery shouldn’t be counted on to be a starter, and then this was a “weak” draft, I think it’s kind of silly to think that a good team is looking to draft a starter at this point.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gibson's a first round pick

Forman didn’t commit $4 million over the next four years to him to carry luggage. If you pick a 24 year old first round, you’re expecting him to contribute immediately.

And that begs the question: if Forman did pick Johnson to back up both positions, then why draft Gibson also? Is he planning to enter the season with this rotation?

PG Rose, Hinrich
SG Salmons, Hinrich
SF Deng, Salmons, Johnson
PF Tyrus, Noah, Johnson, Tim Thomas, Gibson
C Noah, Miller

Hey, if he picks James Johnson first and Ellington second, I’m with you on the backup thing. But he went Gibson, and that means someone’s gone, and I don’t think sending Tim Thomas away solves the logjam or makes the Gibson pick worthwhile.

by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think Tim Thomas makes the rotation

And there is no rule that they have to play their draft picks at all. A lot of first round picks don’t play. Just because they picked Gibson at 26 doesn’t mean they expect him to play a major role. He makes less than the vet minimum. The Bulls played better with a short bench. Hinrich, Miller and Johnson are going to be the primary back-ups. Gibson and Thomas will get minutes when the situation fits. They won’t be force feeding him minutes (I hope).

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He didn't commit $4 million over 4 years anyway. So there's that.

Deng getting hurt is something you’re not considering which I almost guarantee the Bulls were.

I thought I explained: it makes Tim Thomas available for a trade and allows Deng to get hurt. Those are two things that are not at all unlikely. It would move Gibson from a 9th/10th man to an 8th man.

This lineup of available players is not that unlikely
Rose – 35/Hinich – 13
Hinrich – 25/Salmons – 23
Salmons – 13/Johnson – 25/Tyrus – 10
Tyrus – 25/Noah – 13/Gibson – 10
Noah – 20/Miller – 28

Pretty smart if you ask me. Hinrich has had only one injury and Rose and Salmons don’t have a recent history of injuries. I’d rather they have done taken a SG/SF wing, but this makes sense, too. Now they can give Thomas and Thomas in a trade (youth and expiring contract) and not have, literally, nobody expect the starter as a PF (assuming that trade I’m talking about is for Bosh or Amare. Or they could just trade TiT for 2nd round pick or something. Or just create a trade exception. Who knows? This at least makes something possible.

I agree they should have taken Blair, but you shouldn’t be counting on more than 13 mpg, if that, from this player. That’s hardly going to be a win a year. And it certainly doesn’t mean that getting a 13 mpg MAX player means Thomas is on the way out.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is so nice to see lineups without BG in them-they just seem more solid

“Up one, with the ball, and less than 24 sec left”

by hlac on Jun 28, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or down one, 1 second left, Hinrich misses the wide-open layup.

::sigh::

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like about a 30 win team to me

BullsTwo

by Sports2 on Jun 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you think Gordon adds 11 wins to a team?

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Jun 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Critical mass

1. No one besides Rose who remotely scares people offensively.
2. Older Miller
3. Contract year Tyrus
4. Other teams we play a lot will improve
5. No guarantee of health

Let me put it another way. If this team is not serious about making a major improvement (like, and Amare, Bosh, Harden, etc style plunge), I don’t know that it makes much sense to re-sign Ben. Will it be an 11 game difference to have Ben? Maybe not. Maybe we don’t match last year’s wins even with Ben if Deng’s useless again.

However, he helps it a lot if the team is really interested in going places. On a team with plenty of other offensive options, he’s another guy who can force a double, create his own shot, and generally force an opponent to adjust.

He raises the team’s ceiling more than its floor.

BullsTwo

by Sports2 on Jun 28, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Count me in

As one of the people that thinks BG can add 8-10 wins to a team. I mean seriously who are we fooling? We’re about to let our top scorer walk for nothing and in his place we’re putting in either a 30 yr old with one good season under his belt, or a combo guard that really isn’t a 2-guard. The further this off-season goes, the more I feel sorry for Rose.

by Dils on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe he does

He was there leading scorer

by LoveForTheGame on Jun 29, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont know much about johnson

but he was 3rd team all acc twice. is it just me or is that pretty lousy?especially considering how poor the acc is minus unc. he couldnt even make second team? oh well, wake me up in 2010.

by njbullsfan09 on Jun 26, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the ACC is second best conference in the country

so I don’t know what you are exactly talking about. I don’t think you make selections based on the number of all conference teams a player makes either.

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was behind Hansbrough and Kyle Singler.

There’s no shame in that considering the names on the front of those jerseys, and that those guys are good at college basketball.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

kyle singler?

cmon, and wouldnt you consider hansbrough a pf? if so than singler certainly isnt. he should be at least second team. it just plays into the fact that noone knows anything about him. this team just appears to be a neverending cycle of youth which never ends in a legitimate playoff contender.

by njbullsfan09 on Jun 27, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Singler played PF for the Devils. Doesn't matter what I think. That's the reality

Gerald Henderson played SF.

You should actually look at the teams and see the guys who are ahead of him before you go off on him not making it.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Forman said we was not thinking in Free Agency when he drafted, but he was clearly thinking in making some trades

Like Minnesota – why did they pick two pretty good PG? -, there’s no reason to draft two players that can play the PF position when you already have Tyrus, Noah and even Deng and Tim Thomas. The question is: will the Bulls make that trade now or only in the trade deadline?

As much as I love Tyrus, I don’t see him staying on the team. I have a feeling that Vinny doesn’t like him a lot. And the series against Boston were the proof. I just hope they use him in a package to get a good player and not for expiring contracts. That would be dumb, I guess.

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You should keep believing all of the words that come out of the organizations mouth.

One I do believe: they said they see James Johnson as a SF. So there goes your whole theory. Tim Thomas doesn’t count.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tim Thomas doesn't count for us, but counts to Vinny

Vinny used him a lot in some games last season. Especially when he got some 3 pointers. So, yes, I think we need to count with him.

As for Johnson, I don’t give a fuck to what the organization say. I still think that he’s going to play the 4, cuz, if Gordon goes to other team, I think Hinrich will be our SG, Deng our SF and both will have Salmons as a backup.

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Salmons will be the starting 2 (ugh), Kirk will back up Derrick and Salmons, and JJ will backup Deng and probably Tyrus in some instances.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Jun 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You problably right

Salmons could be our starting SG and Hinrich our 6th man. Again, unless Gibson gets some minutes, I see Johnson playing more the 4. In fact, I though he played that position in Wake Forest. But since he’s only 6’8, maybe the Bulls have doubts about him succeeding in the 4…

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If your reasoning that Thomas is not liked by VDN because he was benched in the playoffs...

…is your reasoning that Tim Thomas is liked by VDN because he, too, was benched in the playoffs?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look, I'm not saying that Tim Thomas is going to play major minutes

But he’s going to play. Vinny likes him and played him last season. Or don’t you remember?

by bull83 on Jun 28, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you have no logical reason why Tyrus being sat = disfavor with VDN...

…but Tim being sat =/= disfavor with VDN? Tyrus Thomas played 195 mins, sixth on the team, in the playoffs. Tim Thomas played 15 mins (TOTAL!!!), behind Lindsey Hunter and only five more than Linton Johnson XVII, six more than Aaron Gray and only 15 more than Luol Deng. I could understand why you don’t remember that since he was never ever out there.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This quote is from Vinny and I think he said that after the second game with Boston

With a Bulls win in Boston, the Bulls have the theoretical edge now playing home. Del Negro said he needs to get Tim Thomas in the game more to spread the floor and take additional advantage of the thin Celtics bench.

"Tim Thomas can make shots," said Del Negro. "I have to find a way to get him on the court. That’s been a luxury.

So, Vinny had the intention to play him. Why he didn’t? Only him can explain… But I would like to read your theory about Vinny sitting Tyrus on the bench a lot in the 3rd and 4th quarters of the games against Boston…

by bull83 on Jun 29, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theory=Vinny doesn't know how to coach

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no takers for Tyrus, Deng

Apparently Bulls tried very hard to dump Tyrus on draft day, and made it known that Deng was available too. Nobody was interested.

So the Bulls probably have no choice but to bring them back, and hope that they have good seasons.

by bob horse on Jun 30, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can everyone get off Blair

by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 27, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

"No"

by Prevenge on Jun 27, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wishing that they could have moved up to the 11th pick to get Tyler Hansbrough

Another missed opportunity

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would rather have JJ

over Hansbrough hands down. That was a reach by the Pacers for sure

by LoveForTheGame on Jun 29, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Prelude to the February deadline

I am guessing another factor here is to improve flexibility negotiating with Toronto as the February deadline approaches. We are quick to criticize Bulls management for not making trades but it takes two to Tango. You do not know what Colangelo will be looking for. Actually maybe the Bulls think they know. Memphis were fools to pass on whatever the Bulls were offering for Gasol. Unfortunately what they wanted (expiring contracts) we didn’t have. Maybe the Bulls are stockpiling in the hope we can get Toronto interested.

by chgobr on Jun 27, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is there any evidence the Bulls are even interested in Bosh?

I mean, obviously they should be, but I could easily envision the brain-trust not pursuing Bosh because they just drafted 2 power forwards (plus Bosh would cost a lot of money). I honestly have no idea what area the Bulls want to focus on to improve the team, other than clearing cap space. Until that cap space turns into an actual player, I’m left thinking that is simply an end unto it self for this team.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 28, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there prentending to want Bosh to keep fans interested

but they won’t because there not willing to fork out the money, I know this team all to well

by LoveForTheGame on Jun 29, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What thought process

They benched Tyrus who was a major reason the Bulls even had a playoff run, then in the playoffs Vinny treats him as though he never heard of Tyrus before, even after the clutch jumpers to win game one. Trust me, Tyrus is gone, he’ll go somewhere with a real coach and blow up, while Chicago will be stuck with no hands having, no jump shot shooting Noah! The Bulls management is clueless!

by Mr Rhythm on Jun 29, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do the Bulls have a thought process?

by LoveForTheGame on Jun 29, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If the NBA is about matchups

then you should be able to throw different types of players out there. It looks like with what the Bulls have now, a bad matchup for Tyrus will also be a bad matchup for Johnson and Gibson. You can’t expect to just run all the time and not be able to mix things up with a change of pace.

by nateroth on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs