Bulls post-draft analysis: huh?
No trades? Pass on Dejuan Blair twice? Gar Forman looking like a zombie on national television, amazingly talking while John Paxson's lips didn't move?
This was far from Amare.
I suppose July 1st is just around the corner...but that brings us just as close to Ben Gordon walking as it does to any blockbuster deal (after cap figures are announced, etc.).
So in the meantime, we're left with:
and
I will not pretend to know much about either James Johnson or Taj Gibson. But I expected more tonight. And certainly more on July 1st. Because no matter what the ESPN dopes had to say about the great Bulls first round loss, it was a loss in the first round and this team is both mediocre and dealing with a roster that's nothing short of a (fairly talented) mess.
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hahah
couldn’t have been a better post for this depressing period for all of us
It certainly gave me a laugh
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here’s Gar/VDN’s postdraft audio
http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/draft_090625.mp3
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Gar actually says they thought Taj might go earlier, it's on the mp3
and were happy to see him at 26.
No one can suggest that was a mainstream opinion, so I guess they are doing their own “thinking”.
Said they did have Blair on their board, and were sort of high on Mullens too….
Gar’s persona is perhaps a little too HickfromFrenchLick for my taste, but do we really know his track record? Has he been “smarter than the average draft board” in the past? Is there any reason to believe, other than benefit of the doubt?
by Cholla on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuk gar
fuk fuk fuk that dude. Detailed research shows that he’s was our scout before his promotion and today he showed why he doesnt know shyt but how to roll a dice. Im tired of dice rolling…frig! Make smart moves. I was so happy blair was availbale and really thought he would be alock @ 26. i could care less about his knees. If he makes Darth Pop and the Spurs good im gonna barf all over my bulls shirt
:::breath:::
anyways, Taj aint too bad
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 26, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taj ology OR Run Weirdos, Run
Been pondering this odd player.
Actually both JJ and Taj are eccentric quirky players that don’t fit typical NBA “types”.
Which fits with Bulls Noah and Tyrus, both unique players. And probably can add Gordon as a “strange” player….hey, and Deng is kind of fringy too. And Miller is one of a kind. Salmons maybe.
So Taj is rail thin, very long, plays D, rebounds, blocks shots, can run some offense, but also has a mid range 15 footer. But what he really can do for a tall dude, is run the court, and hopefully finish. Which is what our odd coach wants to do.
For that matter, JJ can run the court, Tyrus and Noah can run, Rose can run, I guess Gordon can run, and that leaves Deng who might be better running than trying to create his shot in the half court.
And the one thing Blair really isn’t going to do that well, is run the court. And Kirk is not all that rapid getting down the court.
Nobody has been talking about this….but it sort of makes some sense out of the draft….the new guys are both oddballs, and they can run the court.
And VDN wants to run run run
by Cholla on Jun 26, 2009 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
u made me feel better doggie..btw..deng and run is an oxymoron…he need legs 1st ;)
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Sam Smith rag on everyone else for the "who does this player remind you of"
questions? He criticizes ESPN for doing this all the time.
His question for Gar. “Who does James Johnson remind you of?”
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting stuff from yahoo's draft analysis of james johnson
Here’s what to like about Johnson. He’s a big athlete from Cheyenne, Wyoming, of all places. He says if the NBA doesn’t work out, he’ll give give mixed martial arts a try (he was a junior champion back home). And he supposedly talked so much trash to Chris Paul during summer pickup games at Wake Forest, that CP3 didn’t want New Orleans to draft him. At least he’s interesting
It’s scary to think that he is already thinking about what he would do if he doesn’t succeed in the NBA, i posted this in the other thread
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that's not a good thing
I also think it’s not so great that he was annoying enough that Paul wanted no part of him, despite being a college teammate.
by Sports2 on Jun 26, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson and Paul weren't college teammates...
they just happened to attend the same school (but at different times). It’d be sort of like saying Dee Brown and Mike Davis were teammates.
I see no problem with the trash talking of Paul.
by SouthernCub on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do, especially if it means Paul is gunning extra hard for the Bulls when they play. Paul's not
a guy I’d want to piss off.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jun 26, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul's kind of a d-bag...
I’m not really bothered by it. Everybody trash talks. This is a non-issue in my opinion.
by SouthernCub on Jun 26, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So ridiculous
We play New Orleans two times a year.
By the time we play them next it’ll be 6-12 months since the incident.
Paul is going to try to beat us whether we have Johnson or not. Whether he succeeds is not based on his grudge against Johnson because he talked trash during some pickup games.
If Paul really did say not to draft Johnson because of that, he’s a whiny punk, and I could care less about trying to pacify him.
It’s such a defeatist attitude. Why not just worry about the Bulls being good, instead of hoping that their opponents overlook them since they don’t have a personal vandetta against a bench player.
by runningman on Jun 26, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, sorry, still... guys from the same college typically want to stick together
fellow alumni?
by Sports2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically not alumni either, but sure...
though there’s no reason that they have to get along. Paul is kind of a petulant jerk, so I’m not that bothered by Johnson not feeling the kinship.
by SouthernCub on Jun 26, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im Ok with James
But he looks like a lazy fuckin bum, id SO rather have Hansborough.. man if we could have gotten BJ mullens instead of Stupid Taj…
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
presti was eager to get mullins
that’s why I know he will be good, by the way I loved the Harden pick
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
not a big fan of Harden…but ASU STAND UP! zeeeeeah #3
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 26, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
highest pick ever?
i think byron scott went 4th?
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by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prob
Eddie house is probably still smiling somewhere
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 26, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the deification of Presti must stop
anybody, even Paxson, could gut a team and get a bunch of lottery picks. that’s the easy part.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea seriously
my god, he lucked into kevin durant and has gutted his team! CROWN HIS ASS
by Calogero on Jun 26, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm "okay" with Johnson.
I don’t like it, but whatever. Especially after Blair fell. I’m even “okay” with not taking Blair if they really think his knees/fatness might be serious issues. But another PF? How about Danny Green / Wayne Ellington / Nick Calathes?
24-year-old Taj Mahal really is going to be a better contributor than any of these guys?
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by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are just lucky we didn't
snatch up a winner like Taj at 16. Considering how they said they felt lucky he was still there for him to get. Blah.
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by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though DraftExpress had the Bulls taking him there all day...
…and noted that after the pick, then < 10 mins later said, “some teams feed you good info, some don’t”. They’ve been after him all along.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that was pretty weird
Because, Gar also said, I think, Bulls were still in serious discussions with another team to move up while draft was underway, but couldn’t get it done. Which one might assume would have involved the 26 pick too. Yet DeX had the pick sometime in the morning…for Taj.
All I can think of is that Taj is thought of as part of the defensive improvement in the post that the team needs…
Either that, or Gar and VDN have too much in common to be optimistic re draft choices.
by Cholla on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hansborough?
Repeat that in April please. Or I will!
Saving this post…
Hansborough will be a bust and Johnson will do well.
We will see man…
by rtblues on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pissed!
If they don’t bring BG back it’s lottery balls next season.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a stat guy and I wanted Blair as much as ANYONE did
But that said – I’m turning the page, and I’m excited to see what James Johnson can do. (Taj Gibson … not so much).
Johnson was a guy that the Bulls front office apparently liked so much that they made numerous attempts to trade up, and he’s clearly got quite a bit of talent, so let’s get behind the kid and see if there’s anything there. No, he’s not DeJuan Blair – not in my eyes, at least – but there’s a ~20% chance that we’ve just acquired a good-to-really-good player, and that’s something to at least get a little bit excited about. I’ll be interested in watching his development.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
johnsons got far more upside than Blair at least
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Blair's upside is quite good
With the exception of his knee condition – about which I lack both the information and expertise to properly consider – I find most of the criticisms of Blair to be unfounded. The constant mentions of his height this evening made me want to puke – his standing reach is 1.5" higher than Blake Griffin’s – and haven’t we advanced enough to understand the limitations of the use of height as a metric? (Sigh … I guess not).
I’m also not overly concerned about his lack of athleticism – he’s a power player, for crying out loud! – or his explosiveness. As noted at Basketball Prospectus, his “Applied athleticism” is outstanding.
I’ll be interested to see how he performs, because the draft results indicate that there is some information about DeJuan Blair that NBA teams have but that has been kept from the statististical analysts. I’ll be interested if that ends up being the case.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 26, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
I wanted Blair bad…I was ok with them passing on blair in order to get Johnson, love his upside and hope for the best..but I just cannot understand Taj Gibson over Blair? Now, if we make a big splash via trade I will be fine with it but if not it is just a mess…
by BooRad16 on Jun 26, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
this if the first pick we have had since Ben Gordon who had any offensive upside coming out of college
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jun 26, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose doesn't really count as they really had no other choice
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
i dont get this stupid mentality ppl have like give up everyone for money next season, FUCK we want to win NOW
if we suck ass next year, no player will want to sign with us.. damn
Rose/Hunter?
Salmons/Nelson
Deng/Johnson
Tyrus/Gibson
Noah/Miller
This team mite win 41 or less… god dammit i miss paxson Gar is a dumbfuck
why cant we have a GM with some balls
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol im pretty sure were gonna get rid if him,
replace him with hunter, and we moght win 45 games….
1st round exit
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your negative lol
we would at least get blake and outlaw for him
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
he just vanishes and we get nothing back?
by BooRad16 on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows?
were all just grumpy right now
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
yea , im usually optomistic.. ive just been waiting for this draft, thinkin ok were really close, closest since 98, and being a bulls fan thru all that shit, should finally pay off… and then we dont do shit.. and we grab two damn fowards who suck..
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man..
I thought i was feeling negative about everything but I’m starting to get optimistic about James Johnson..we will see
by BooRad16 on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
i’m starting to really like the James Johnson pick, the pick has grown on me, especially after feeling the pain of drafting Taj
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O so the 16th and the 26th picks were suppose to get a 41 win team over the hump. What is wrong with James Johnson?
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if?
Just because I’m getting bored with near unanimous trashing of bulls picks, here’s a devil’s advocate. And for the record I was a big Blair fan before tonight’s fall into oblivion. I see that Jivas has gotten here first, with this counterflow opinion….but yeah, what if it’s not really as crazy a night as some are saying?
Johnson has a reasonably good chance of bringing a new dimension to bull’s game at the 3. Could be very good pick/roll/pop with Rose, and dominate other threes in low post. Improve on what Deng doesn’t do, and maybe can’t do with leg. Not such a disaster for #16 in a “weak draft”.
Gibson has a shot blocking skill that no one is noting, and decent rebounding, which if people can get over him not being Blair, and probably being drafted a few picks too high, is not a bad addition to Bulls defensive capability off the bench. And that’s all he is, a role player meeting a team need. But this was a pick Bulls reportedly were thinking of selling for cash, so I can’t get too upset they brought in a shot blocker role player at 26.
by Cholla on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Gibson pick...
…I can’t endorse in any way. I’m just stunned. I hope I’m wrong.
He’s 24 years old, he’s extremely skinny, and he’s completely superfluous on a roster that includes Tyrus Thomas. Should there be a trade at some point that changes our roster composition, then I’ll slightly reconsider my feelings, but I really figured we were taking a backcourt player there.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were looking for trade bait
there were guys better than Taj left for us to pick up. I fear we really did want him.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good Devil's Advocate argument. Thanks.
Doesn’t help me much, but oh well.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have tens of millions committed at the 3 already
and a 4 in Tyrus that we can’t seem to coach into playing a 4.
We drafted two more players that will only complicate what the heck we’re going to do at the 3 and the 4.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure Bulls are a lottery team next season.
VDN is here, BG is gone…
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we have 8 forwards and 3 guards
what makes you think the Bulls are done making moves?
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
they can make moves all they want VDN is still the coach
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can look at my sig to see how i feel about VDN
but we almost got to the second round this year.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Only four rounds to go!
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your point? Where did you expect the bulls to go?
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really have a point on that saying.
If you were to ask for my real opinion on the matter, though, I’d have to say that it appears more like it was the midseason trade that got us Brad Miller rather than any good coaching on VDN’s part, especially because he messed up timeouts in two games [was it three?].
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, actually, I remembered my point.
The Bulls lost in the first round, meh, they’re not that good, and having to fight against your own coach to be good should never be something a team needs to do.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are people mad at the bulls for not taking Blair?
There is a reason why he fell to to the mid 2nd round. His knees are obviously screwed. If he had no health problems and the bulls didn’t pick him I would be pissed. But if he had no health problems he was a lottery pick. So you cant be mad at the Bulls for not taking Blair. Anyway James Johnson is a solid pick and I’m happy him. And Taj is what he is. The 26th pick in a weak draft. He could end up being a decent defender.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yea ur right
i think i had my hopes set too high
but im not surprised your so patient… ur a cubs fan ;)
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair hasn't missed a practice or a game in his 2 years at Pitt
And he’s been killing fools throughout workouts. The information about his knee seems to call into question his long-term ability to stay healthy and play – meaning, as I understand it, 4-6-8 years down the road.
If this is accurate, this does very little to reduce my enthusiasm for drafting Blair, particularly for a team whose window for success is exactly the next 4-6-8 years.
"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas
by Jivas on Jun 26, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every single team in the league passed up Dejuan Blair
I don’t think that information is accurate. If it was a team like Cleavland would have jumped all over Blair. Anyway Rose is only 20. I think are window is more like 10-12-14 years.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleavland just got Shaq.
And I doubt they planned for Blair to be available and didn’t need him after that.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq cant rebound like
a healthy Dejuan Blair
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cleveland
is over budget by a substantial amount. thus they needed to hide a pick overseas.
and since when has danny ferry shown smarts?
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by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 years in college is what, 60 games?
That gets you to February in the NBA.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeJuan Blair played 72 games over the last two years in the stacked Big East
He’s already acclimated with the NBA Eastern Conference travel schedule.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point, too.
If they really, truly, absolutely believe that Blair is going to eat himself out of the league or his knees are going to explode in the next four years, fine. Whatever. This is the Bulls NBA Team Physician of the year we’re talking about. /sarcasm
But the chances of that happening are slim. And in the meantime, you get a beastly player for under $1 million for four years. If he gets fat, fuck it, he’s out of the league by year 4 and you wasted a 26th pick. Egads!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's the physician of every fucking team in the league that thought that
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. I think it's partly that and part short PF.
The physician’s said: “we’re unsure”. The team’s said, “well, he’s short, too. fuck it”
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Blair didn't have the knee issues and there had been no Boozer or MIllsap recently.
he still falls to the 2nd round. And Blair didn’t work out for “every fucking team in the league”
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team has his medical records though
And teams do draft players that don’t work out for them.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have an actual source that says that was why the Bulls passed on him?
Or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust stuff from tygers ass more than I ...
…
I’m going to bed. Hopefully by morning you guys will have it all hashed out.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do YOU have a source that quotes the teams passing on him specifically for his knees?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or are you just assuming it because that's what all the talking heads are saying?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe he is assuming that
because Blair was rising in the draft into the lottery until his medical files we shown.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Flynn is going to suck.
The Kings are retarded, too.
GM’s are stupid.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What gives you reason to believe Johnny Flynn will suck?
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suck is too harsh
I don’t get why he rose so fast and so high.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said they passed on him only because of the knees
Obviously it’s a combination of the knees, the weight problems, and him being undersized. If you want to rip the Bulls for passing on a guy with all those concerns be my guest, but it’s not like they were alone.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then fucking let me rip on them if you want me to be your guest.
Christ. If you don’t care that I rip on them, then quit harping on it. Sheesh.
And GM’s are stupid.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why they're making millions
and your posting on blogabull
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
In Pax We Trust! Keep buying the tix, the Bulls posters, love whoever they take. Never be critical. They never make mistakes. Whoohoo!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hope the draft is one of the "big decisions" Paxson...
…still has control over. You did read the stories, right?
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by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were talking about GM's
and the the official Bull’s GM is Gar Forman.
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not weight problems
he dropped 40 pounds. Its not height problems because he has 7’1" wingspan. It is his knees.
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There should definitely be a legitimate concern over his weight.
Anyone who has ever read anything about dieting knows crash dieters are the most prone to gain the weight back.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's over 4 month time period
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it wasn't
it was 40-45 days
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by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i stand corrected
but weight issues alone don’t drop you 30 spots
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no but "height issues" can
and just throw in the built-in excuse of GLASS KNEES. Voila.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasnt a height issue
his wingspan is excellent and that is more important. Did you want to pick Blair with the 16th pick?
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dropped the 40 pounds in 4 weeks!
That’s not really healthy, and people who have such dramatic weight losses tend to eventually gain most of it back.
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by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't even Mike Sweetney's cake-addled career
worth the 26th pick in this draft? I say yes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather gamble on Blair with the 26th
pick since it is such a crap chute anyway as you say. Why pick a near certain dud like we did when you could get a guy that at least has a chance at being good. And why does he have to go to the Spurs? That is going to make us look extra stupid. 26th picks can be used on chances like Blair. It isn’t like we are talking even the 16th pick. The 26th! The Spurs know that. What a nightmare. Low IQ is plaguing the entire organization.
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by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for writing that
that is exactly why i’m mad that the Taj Gibson with 26th
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by Teri on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think we should have got Ellington
because he will defiantly help any NBA team right away. His shooting will keep him in this league for a long time. but if the bulls really wanted Blair they should have just bought a second rounder and gave him a chance.
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i believe you mean
“crap shoot”, but your spelling is more appropriate for tonight’s draft performance!
grade: D
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO
i understand that the reason they have to wait for july 1st for the Suns and GSW trade to go thru is because of beidrins, does that stop us from pursuing amare? and do u think we still have a chance at bosh or amare this offseason?
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That trade is dead via Chad Ford
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo's got us as a draft winner!!!! this doesn't make sense
WINNER: Chicago Bulls
The Bulls returned to the playoffs this year and took the Celtics to seven games in a classic battle. Now they build around rookie of the year Derrick Rose, using two so-so picks to acquire athletic ability and versatility in James Johnson (16) and Taj Gibson (26).
Neither is going to be an immediate star (none were available at that point), but they add more flair to an already fun, up-and-coming team.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the reason they got that "winner" label
is mostly because of that fun celtic series
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is good to be loved again.
Even though we could turn that back around again by having a horrible circus trip. Ah, the media.
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by cranscape on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
someone says versatility one more time
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay, we're fun!
Like those Suns teams if they didn’t have Amare!
Awwwwwwww. So adorable.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone so mad?
we had picks 16 and 26 u should be happy if they turn out to be role players
by DSamonek on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and im sick of ppl saying taj is a shot blocker
we already have a dam shot blocker, and its not like we can have this fool sitting in the post just swatting shit.. best case scenario he turns into a ronny turiaf
worst case scenario… he plays in the d league
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does everyone in here who loves blair know more than all the teams who passed on him in round one?
and don’t you think that Johnson and Gibson open the door for the Thomas/Hinrich trade for a certain someone everyone on here has been drooling for?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who
i mean toronto woulndt want hinrich, neither would the suns?
by Faizamaze on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think teams can make trades that involve more than one team....?
who knows, I just know that we’re getting rid of Hinrich (unfortunately) and that Tyrus is as good as gone after that draft (indifferent)
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I take back my whining about trading the two picks for Terrence Williams?
I mean, I’d still be bothered because I’d be convinced the Bulls could’ve/would’ve drafted Johnson/Blair and then Green/Ellington/Calathes/Douglas. But still, I’d rather have Williams than Johnson and Mahal. I think.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How can we explain the sudden RISE OF TAJ?
A Bulls front office insider may have uncovered the reasoning behind their picks today and now it all makes sense.
Apparently Gar was a secret fan and admiring wannabe soulmate of former pop star (and current wife of Heismann trophy winner, Eddie George), Tamara whose nickname is "Taj" and was "Taj Johnson" while a member of the group known as SWV (Sisters With Voices) back in the 90’s. She now goes under the name of Taj Johnson-George.
Seeing her appear as a contestant in the Survivor series this year must have rekindled some memories in our current GM, who from that point on, couldn’t seem to get the name Taj Johnson out of his head or off his lips. He was seen many times the past few days continuously repeating her name. It was rumored this obsession was triggered by awakening formerly cannibis induced fantasies from his days as a male groupie when he used to follow SWV from city to city in between scouting assignments while pretending to be a pasty white rapper.
After reviewing hundreds of potential draftees for weeks and getting more confused with each workout, by the time it was the Bulls turn on the clock, the only name he could come up with was…..Taj Johnson…….Taj Johnson………..Taj Johnson.
Scouring the scouting lists in the war room, his assistants assumed he was telling them to draft the dude named Johnson and although they couldn’t figure out who Taj was, someone noticed way down the list was Taj Gibson whom the Bulls originally had rated as the 117th best pick in the draft, but assumed the brain trust saw something in him no one else had at the last minute, so he jumped up to number 26, while the rest of the GM’s guffawed in disbelief, having decided this guy maxed out 2 years ago with a low threshold and had nowhere to go potential wise but sideways or straight down to the D league.
But on the bright side, at least if the draft picks don’t pan out, Gar should be able to pick up some old SWV albums for practically nothing on Ebay. Meanwhile, Vinny sees it as an opportunity to have 2 more reasons to keep Tyrus off the court in crunch time. Unless, of course, he hasn’t already been traded for a bag of peanuts and a heady veteran, like Brian Cardinal.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
HOW YOU THOUGHT THAT BAFFLES ME< BUT AMAZES ME>>>>RECD
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, GOLD!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the losers should have were..
Dickie V, Marc Jackson and JVG also Stuart Scott and the Twolves.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
17 players, 7 forwards (eight if you count noah) and Hinrich making 10mil
The bulls aren’t done. Instead of hating on this draft, why don’t some of you try to figure out what the bulls are going to do next.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Certainly many ways to go, aren't there?
Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.
UMD 8/04 - 5/08: Go Terps!
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOSE!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No creativity
Usually your posts are well thought out and creative. You must be tired.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My posts never either of those things.
How dare you accuse me!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for some reasonable insight on what the bulls do from here
We all know Hinrich’s days are numbered. This draft tells me Tyrus’ are too. What can the bulls do with these pieces to get what they need?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is what we feel the Bulls need
the same as what the front office feels the Bulls need?
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously no...
otherwise they would’ve drafted the fat guy with knee problems yall wanted that just so happened to slide all the way to the middle of the second round. I just figured instead of whining that they didn’t pick the guy that many people convinced themselves we need. We could start an interesting discussion on what they do from here. I am on the west coast though and so probably less tired and grumpy as some of you.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you on the assumption that Ben walks?
Because the discussion really hinges on that point, I would think.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me when they started talking about getting defensive that spelled the end of BG
Just a hunch, but it is a good way to break it to bulls fans that they aren’t getting BG back
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point, valid point
Would suck for him to go to Detroit, very Berrianesque and probably puts the Bulls back in 3rd place as currently constructed.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he IS gone, then...
we have a lack of scoring punch, no backup PG, assuming hinrich walks and still 7 forwards? what the heck?
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you can't build a basketball team purely on defense
this team also needs offense and BG takes care of part of that
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make your case then
what’s the trade?
none of this cryptic “hinrich will be traded” (since when has that been indicated any way?), “thomas won’t be a bull next year, it clears the way for….” what? it clears the way for nothing if they drafted a couple of busts. with apologies to those that were targeting johnson for the skills/potential.
i’m on pacific time too, but figure to be grumpy for quite a while over this…. and you’re not helping, man!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich will be traded, maybe not until the deadline, but trust me JR isn't paying him 10mil to watch Rose.
The question is where and for who. Not if. And if they wanted to keep Thomas, why did they dangle him in every trade scenario rumored in the last year. VDN doesn’t like him. Sorry I’m not helping, but if it makes you feel better, I think we can turn these guys into a quality starter. Oh…and Deng is gonna average ~20 ppg this year without BG playing for the Bulls.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta like your optimism
that’s more like it!
however, i’m skeptical of getting much for hinrich when rumors at last season’s deadline were brian cardinal plus, and blake/ outlaw (the main attraction being dumping them to re-sign bg. that’s trading kirk for ben, basically).
as a deng supporter, i hope he plays 80 games next year. and since you know who’s favored, does vdn like him (deng)? i seems to recall him being benched for the 4th by vinny like tyrus was.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for Chris Bosh?
All is forgiven!
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Don't worry, though, we never make big trades.]
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed Trade Deng, Hinrich, and Noah....
….heh I Kid I Kid….seriously though, i want bosh….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I wanted was Hinrich to be traded tonight.
I thought Blair was going to be the pick…
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well
The Hinrich deal didn’t really depend on the draft anyway. So it still can happen.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will happen
Have you ever heard any writer or analyst say anything but. Ever heard of a backup making 10mil on a multiyear deal when lots of other teams would love to have him. The question is what do the bulls get for him
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake and Outlaw, hopefully.
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by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy?
Or a 3 way with toronto?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hinrich to portland deng tyrus to toronto bosh to chicago and yeah.....i dont even know anymore
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah something like that
but because of Deng’s BYC this deal couldn’t gett done until after July 1st.
by Jesse07 on Jun 26, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignorant here...what does outlaw give us that we don't have
wouldn’t you rather keep hinrich than pick up these spare parts for someone who was the heart of this franchise when we swept the heat? unless of course you are writing the checks
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake gives us a former Terp
and a warm body and not much else. I’m not really sure what Outlaw brings that we don’t have already.
I’m off in my own little world again.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is a perfect backup PG
on a good expiring contract. Outlaw’s contract is not guaranteed. So we could cut him and easily resign BG. The deal also saves us 1.7 million instantly.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes much more sense when you put it that way.
Is everything in the NBA this year about spending less money? Aren’t the bulls in a huge market and don’t their fans deserve a competitive team after supporting them through the post-Jordan years. That is what I used to hate about the Cubs.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Reinsdorf is not willing to pay the luxury tax
even though the fans deserve it because the Bulls have been the most profitable organization for years
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont stay the most profitable team in the league by paying the luxury tax...
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maye not but it sure can help win a championship,
just ask the Lakers…
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"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are assuming Reinsdorf actually cares about winning a title
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea true...
I forgot he stopped caring about the Bulls after the Dynasty years and switched his focus to the Sox.
"One time I went to a social gathering, I brought a bottle of Tanqueray and a shotgun and showed those motherf@ers the best time they ever had!"- Kenny Powers (Eastbound and Down)
"Why give 100% when 35 can still get you paid and laid."- Kenny Powers
by gridiron_assassin on Jun 27, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna know if the Hinrich
to the Bucks rumor was really being discussed. For the 10th pick? They could have had a choice between Williams and Henderson. But yeah there was a lot of crap with it.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They would have taken Hansborough
And I would have shot myself.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amare to GSW...
by brose on Jun 26, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe it
Ford said the deal was basically dead a couple hours ago
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 26, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=918395
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Love he is not
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people think
that Tyrus is def. gone. Last i heard the 16th pick in a weak draft, isn’t usually fighting for starting time over a 4 year vet who was a previous #4 overall, who has improved significantly. Johnson will be a back up. Hopefully a serviceable one. Thats all.
And for all you Taj haters (i will admit i was shocked at first too) who did you want to pick besides blair? Ellington to further the guard glut? Taj could be like Varejao, i dont think anyone would complain about that guy coming off our bench. Yes we have miller and Noah… but millers old and will be gone, then what? you’re all thinking extremely short term.
The bulls as i see them: (gordon will be gone IMO, but hinrich will stay)
PG- Rose 36 min, Kirk 12 min
SG- Salmons 30 min, kirk 18 min
SF- Deng 36 min, Salmons 6 min, Johnson 6 min
PF- Tyrus 29 min, Johnson 10min, Noah 9 min.
C- Noah 25 min, Miller 23 min
Taj getting spot minutes(like a 26th overall should get) and whomever else we have on the roster with spot minutse.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is at best a 38 win team.
Unless Tyrus Thomas decides to become, you know, good.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you get 38 wins?
Improved Defense with salmons at the 2, a healthy Deng back, and according to chuck swirsky on the radio(or whoever called it on espn 1000, Noah already looks stronger in the legs, and as if he’s gained a good amount of healthy weight.
Plus, if thomas decides to, you know, not be good. you can play more of noah at the 4 and miller at the 5, or 6’9 deng at the 4, and salmons/johnson at the 3, or you can play johnson more at the 4 if he can actually play at the NBA level. We have lots of options with this team.
Thats what makes our picks useful. Hinrich can play a very serviceable 2 guard, Salmons can play a very serviceable SF, Johnson could play against some 3s, and most 4s, and taj can play against most 4s and some 5s (but would be pushed around by most of those as of now)
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our main point of difference, I feel
I don’t see Noah or Thomas (especially Thomas) as contributors to a championship-caliber team, which I would hope would be the goal. That’s two spots that are extremely sub-par on the assumption that Hinrich returns (I wouldn’t mind, I like him) and Deng is healthy (God willing). The Bulls were on a 48-win pace (I think) post trade. If Ben is gone to the Pistons, I think it’s fair to say that’s worth about 10 wins.
Also, the VDN factor is the VDN factor, but that goes without saying.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah is an above-average center in every statistical measurement.
And he’s getting better.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right.
But I just don’t see “Top-10 NBA center” there.
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at his developement compared to other young Centers
Oden, Haywood, Bynum… all the other centers in his age group aren’t as far along.
I’m impressed with Noah and I’m a Blazer fan.
by BlazerTag on Jun 26, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah rebounding is overated.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first
I dont think gordon is a 10 win difference. Thats kinda ludicrous. then you decided not to factor in having a healthy deng… at all. or the general improvement of Rose (in the least you have to give him some getting better cred even if you dont think noah will improve, which i think he will at least defensively) Plus salmons playing the 2 instead of the 3 is not a huge downgrade from BG, Having Salmons and Deng, will not be a 10 gm drop over Gordon and Salmons.
My guess is we’re a 41-48 win team(leaning closer towards 45).
I agree thomas is not looking too good, but thats why you get PF playing prospects to fill in if necessary, and thats why your big pitch for a trade will be bosh.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Rose
Perhaps 38 is a tad pessimistic, but I’m always pessimistic with this team. I had them going 31 – 51 last season on one of my comments here, IIRC.
Don’t want to be disappointed like 2007, so I’m not going to say something like 50 – 32. I’ll stick with 38 – 44 and hope I’m off by a good 15 – 20 games.
Deal?
Is Clint Hurdle fired yet? YES
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
by ES46NE10 on Jun 26, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
haha 31-51 is pretty horrendous.
I just feel like we had a horrible rotation going to start this past year and had cancers the year before that. Now that we got all the bad contracts and cancers out (Wallace, Nocioni, Hughes) we’ve got all quality players we want here, and that want to be here, and are all pretty selfless (minus Thomas) I see a big upturn coming. I tend to be realistically optomistic, so i will temper my prediction, but i really think 45 wins is reasonable(assuming deng is healthy and can play 70+ games).
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
it’s only two people by my count. they just keep making the same troll-like posts. at least the one without the map coordinate name has a bulls handle…
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i think Tyrus is gone
for something good.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea of drafting Taj to replace Tyrus make me sick in the stomache
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
by Teri on Jun 26, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is expecting Hinrich to get traded troll-like?
I love Hinrich. I don’t want to see him traded. I think he had as much to do with the midseason turnaround as trading for Miller and Salmons. It’s just that the money doesn’t work. That’s why I think it is more fun to ponder what the bulls will get for him. I think a lot of teams want a guy like Hinrich.
by BigforkBullsFan on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you watch/read/listen
to all of Gar’s/Paxson’s interviews, its pretty obvious that the bulls dont have much intention on re-signing ben gordon. THey seem to be lukewarm on the idea at all, and seem very content with him walking. Thus, to have hinrich as a back up PG, and SG, and possible swing him in a 3 way deadline deal, or something like that would be a great benefit. I do not see hinrich traded until the trade deadline in 2009-2010.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no guarantee hinrich will be here
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no guarantee he will be gone either
Just because rumors are out there, doesnt mean they will go through with it. This was posted a month ago, and perhaps the bulls drafted two big(ish) men because they feel their guard rotation is set. I feel like Hinrich is a better third guard than BG, and i think the Bulls feel the same way. Hinrich defended ray allen the best, rondo the best, and Paul pierce the best, not to mention he’s a career 38% 3 pt shooter, and would be great off rose’s penetration. I think the bulls see all those as positives from a 6th man to back up the guard positions.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i don't want to get into another long dragged out argument about Hinrich
he is what he is. I don’t believe the Bulls can afford to pay a backup pg that much money. The fact that he is the best perimeter defender on the bulls doesn’t make him a defensive stopper, it just means the other bulls perimeter defenders aren’t very good.
I just posted that to show that its been reported the Bulls view the Hinrich situation independently of the Gordon situation. And your claim that is “pretty obvious” the bulls have no intention of resigning Gordon is in contrast to the Bulls reported statements and I think to the Bulls best interest.
Letting Gordon walk for nothing is just bad business.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its in contrast to their reported statements.
but god forbid that nba execs put up smoke screens, or say stuff to “save face”. IMO i feel like July 6th will come around and the pistons will ante up 10mil a year for gordon, and forman will say, we would like to compete with the pistons offer, but at our current juncture it is unfeasible for us to do so. or something along those lines.
and im not calling hinrich a backup PG, hes a 6th man, Hes what gordon would be. i think hinrich at 9 million is better for the team then gordon at 10/11 million
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see him traded
its for the best of the team. We dont need a 10 million dollar back up point guard. Lets get cap room and a legitimate back up PG. It is also in the best interest of Kirk Hinrich.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
he’s not a 10 million$ back up.
He’s a 9 million back up with a decreasing salary contract which is very valuable for backloading future contracts.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9.5 million.
He is in the prime of his career. He wants to be traded.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wants to be traded?
where did you see that? anywhere? i didnt think so.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he wants to be a back up?????
he is in the Prime of his career and has starter ability.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying i know what he wants,
and neither should you, you are not hinrich, nor do you know what he thinks. he has not asked to be traded, and acted like a complete professional. until he asks to be traded, i assume he would like to stay in chicago.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He told his family he is moving to Portland
I think it can reasonably be implied that Hinrich would be in favor of being traded and becoming a starter.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah?
dare i ask where you got that information?
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 things
first, he is telling friends, not family
second, he says he thinks he is being traded, not that he is moving
third, "The first is that Kirk Hinrich told friends that he expects to be traded to Portland. Kirk said no such things to his friends. Either Adrian Wojnarowski pulled it out of thin air, or one of Kirk’s “friends” did, but there’s no truth to the rumor."
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/06/some-kirk-hinrich-rumors-are-bs.html
i think you cant reasonably imply anything from anything you just said.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O i'm so sorry its his friends
and that’s one writers word to another. who are you gonna believe. its u to you.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they let ben walk
he’ll be playing 30+
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for the grumps man
multiple posts with no specifics re: topics that have been discussed ad nauseum here for months and longer, reads like you have a secret you’re sitting on.
i think all are bummed that the team will look, like, 7 deep with ben allowed to walk. i’m not one to unreasonably overestimate ben gordon, but it also seems they did nothing to cover for this, except have salmons remaining for a year. and that’s unreasonable to me.
i have nothing against taj gibson, but this was the traded-thabo-for pick, and they passed on the draft’s tough guy twice. and i’m certain he’s gonna kill in the nba. i actually like taj, just think pendergraph’s a bit better, and neither will probably make it in the league.
(and i agree with northwestbysoutheast for the most part. maybe it’s the way i’m reading tonight, they seem like non-sequiturs almost.)
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe
as unbelievable as it would be/not really expected…. i think Wade is coming to chicago in 2010. I think letting Gordon go, makes that feasible. Salmons will be gone, there will be nice pieces in place around him. Rose, Wade, Deng, (thomas will prolly be traded by that point), and noah, with hinrich, Johnson, and Taj, coming off the bench, in addition to whoever we draft in 2010.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose and Wade are to similar.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre right
that would be a horrible backcourt…
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i would love it
but you gotta wonder how they would mesh
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sure
that somehow they would make it work. two of the most freakishly athletic, passionate guys in the game. with both having a killer midrange game. (not to mention wades 3pt % seems to have gone up)
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose doesnt have a "killer" midrange game yet
Both play better on the ball
if you have Deng at the three. who is gonna shoot threes?
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um,
have you seen rose shoot the FT line to 20 foot jumper?
just wondering.
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok he has 47.5% FG percentage.
Derrick Rose does not have an elite mid range game yet. to compare his mid range game to Dwades is crazy.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see the indiana game where rose hit like 15 straight jump shots?
he definitely could be a better shooter than wade this season
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wade as a deus ex machina, subbing for the false basketball god, bg.
i think rose + wade would only be a “horrible backcourt” for the other team!
don’t believe it will happen, wade likes his state tax free salary, vacationing back in chitown. i’m starting to think people are smokin’ somethin’s around here…
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 26, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah
i admit its a bit of a pipedream, but it would all seem too perfect if it happened, salmons as the stop gap, hinrich as the forever 6th man PG/SG backup for 25/30 minutes a night.
2 chicago guys just playing ball and tearing opponents new ones every night…
i know its far from being even plausible at this point… but it seems to perfect, and until wade signs that extension i will continue believing
by sillyrussian on Jun 26, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You told me about Kenny Smith
i trust Bucher much more.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About our picks
I saw Taj play a lot in SC. He went through different systems and excelled in each one.. I think he is going to help a lot more than given credit for so far. Nice additional big man in case we trade somebody or spot up minutes with potential to get better… Thats a solid pick, low risk, high floor, high ceiling
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jun 26, 2009 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Taj is more of a high floor, low ceiling guy
he is what he is. Gibson will be a decent defensive player.
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on Jun 26, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think 24
year old rookies can have that high of a ceiling.
by runningman on Jun 26, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today really does suck
First, the loss of Michael Jackson. Second, the loss of hope for the Bulls
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n5uejb
along with:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cq9asz
Then hope they can lock down Gordon and start Salmons at the 3, with Johnson/Outlaw backing up that position and Johnson/Gibson backing up Bosh; moreover – failing the retention of Gordon – the Bulls still have Salmons at 2, Johnson thrown into the fire at 3 with dependable Outlaw as a fallback, and Bosh/Gibson at the 4. This is the only rational, success-oriented justification I can find for this year’s draft pattern.
All the same: this is much too much to ask of this team’s administrators.
by jpx7 on Jun 26, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your post draft angst is nothing.
After the disappointment tonight of (not) drafting dejuan blair, blazers fans like myself would be ecstatic if we were able to get kirk for blake and outlaw. Between the 22 pick and the 33 pick it was essentially a cycle of emotions, jubilation to shock and depression, back to hopefullness, jubilation again, and back to depression. At least you guys can excuse yourselves for not taking flyers on blair with first round picks. We passed on him 3 times, twice in the second round!
It seems pathetic, but I would truly be pumped if hinrich came to us now for blake and outlaw. The reason that seems odd to me is that San Antonio got Richard Jefferson for a bunch of old scrubs in a salary dump, so I feel like if that is setting the bar for what salary dumps are worth, outlaw and blake for hinrich is too much. Feel like based on current market value hinrich shouldn’t be worth that much, but because of our desperation for a pg you guys will be able to leverage the price up.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2009 3:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do the Bulls even want Outlaw?
Right now that they have Johnson, Salmons, Deng and Thomas? That is 4 forwards, 3 guys who can play the 3 (Deng, Salmons, Johnson) and 3 guys who can play the 4 (Deng, Tyrus, Johnson) in our offense. Not to mention Noah who can also slide over to the 4, and Hinrich who the Bulls occasionally play at 3 despite loud objections on this site.
If anything, I think the Bulls may be more likely to accept a pure salary dump for Hinrich if it meant being able to sign BG. Is Outlaw’s contract guaranteed? If it isn’t, I could see the Bulls making the trade.
Although there is still the chance the Bulls don’t even trade Kirk at all, let BG walk, and use Hinrich to back up both spots. If you really wanted to blow the Bulls away, you offer Rudy… but that isn’t happening.
By the way, I think Pendergraph is pretty good. Not Blair, but a solid big who should fit in better than Frye as the 4th big on Portland.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 26, 2009 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think the bulls would be happy just taking blake, its cheaper that way you know (see blogabull header)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 26, 2009 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Hinrich than BG
if they were to make about the same amount of money.
by kozzer on Jun 26, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hate for these draft choices...
is definitely overstated. DeJuan Blairs knees are fucked; if he ends up being good on the Spurs, congrats, but his anointing as savior seems premature.
Also, the parallel Bulls-Blazers self pity is truly eye opening. Two young teams with great players and a bit of depth acting as if their missing DeJuan Blair spells doom for the entire franchise.
by McCabe on Jun 26, 2009 4:57 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Blair and his "fucked knees"
missed all of zero games and zero practices in two years at Pitt.
What’s the evidence to support the “Blair’s knees are fucked” claim?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really disappointed that the Bulls
didn’t try and get a second round pick to get Blair.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 26, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
They didn’t even trade into the 2nd round to draft Taj Gibson there. Who the heck had any interest in drafting Taj Gibson in the first round?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair and his "fucked knees" also made Thabeet look like a child
If Blair knees actually end up being a problem, so what? “Thank god we got Taj Gibson instead……???”
and if they’re not a problem (which they haven’t been for two years), San Antonio is going to stomp over the entire league.
by darksmokepuncher on Jun 26, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why else did nearly every team in the league pass on him?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jun 26, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMs are dumb? They mostly passed on Danny Granger for similar reasons. Looks dumb now, don't it?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Brandon Roy was not a top pick for his knees as well
Gee, what busts those guys have been.
It’s over with now, the Spurs got another 2nd round steal, and if he plays well he will just be added to the Maxiell, Milsap, Powe, Landry list of guys GMs should never pass on, yet invariably always do.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Gar mentions these guys have versatility
He means Vinne can play them at the center position if he chooses
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2009 5:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we at least hold all further complaining until one of these kids steps foot on a basketball court for us?
The amount of whining and bitching over players I guarantee most of you have never seen play more than once is ridiculous. Especially since most of the complaining is how we didn’t draft Dejuan fucking Blair like he is some kind of savior we need. He is an overweight 6’6’’ power forward who’s only good asset right now is rebounding and has two shot knees. I guess I would agree that the Taj pick shocked me but the only thing I am really upset about at this point is the fact that he is 24. As for Johnson I am pretty excited we drafted a kid with some immediate offensive upside. It seems the Bulls have some idea what they want to do around Rose. This won’t be the end of our offseason either with the team now looking something like this:
Rose/Hinrich/Nelson/LINTON
Gordon?/Hinrich/Salmons/LINTON
Salmons/Deng/Johnson/LINTON
Tyrus/Johnson/Taj/LINTON
Noah/Miller/Gray/LINTON
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 26, 2009 6:38 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
LJ III - the all-purpose BULL!
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jun 26, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we are not Minnesota
Things will change when we figure out what we will do with Gordon and trade Hinrich……. oh no it sounds just like last year.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If BG go's then Kirk stays for sure.
Homecoming
by illwill on Jun 26, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no credit for my 'rise of taj' poster?
MS Paint, everyone!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Taj from the movie is still rising
He works for the White House now.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say his role on 'House' was a better gig.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Kumar?
Those charlatan Academy members snubbed his best roles.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the H&K sequel was an even bigger disappointment
than draft night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That movie was so horrible making fun of it isn't funny
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one positive is that we have Rose
and a lot of trade assets. We will make a trade this off-season and another during the trade deadline. If Deng had a year 2006 last year we would already have Bosh or STAT. Who knows maybe we will get Boozer in a sign and trade this off-season.
Homecoming
by illwill on Jun 26, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Assets only matter if
Paxdorf can get the guts to pull the trigger….PJ Brown’s expiring contract still haunts me, as do all the excuse-laden whiffs:
Wade (original draft miss), Garnett, Gasol, Kobe (almost), Amare (?), VC, etc. etc….
by RichKarp on Jun 26, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't take a lot to figure out Gibson is Tyrus insurance
That’s about it.
If we trade a bunch of bodies for one better body, we’ll need people to replace them.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jun 26, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way
someone has to be Bosh’s back-up
Homecoming
by illwill on Jun 26, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am tricking myself into being optimistic.
Why draft forwards?
Because Deng and Tyrus are being packaged in a bigger deal. That and only that is the way these moves make sense. It has to be for Bosh. The reason for the delay has to be Deng’s BYC. Again, I’m trying to spin all of this.
Also, Kirk has to be gone. Because the Bulls are going to need all the $$$ they can muster to sign BG. Not saying I don’t like Kirk, but you need more of a scorer at the 2. BG outside catching inside out passes from Bosh. Yes, I can live with that.
The only way this draft makes sense is if the Bulls are looking forward to dealing Deng and Tyrus. They need to find replacements for them. Otherwise, I have no idea what this organization’s processes are. Wait. I all ready don’t know….
by kingj41 on Jun 26, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Best case/worst case
Best case
Hinrich or Deng packaged with Tyrus to acquire Amare or Bosh. Gordon resigned.
Worst case
No deals. Gordon walks. We’re stacked at the wing and lacking an NBA shooting guard forcing Salmons into the role.
I’ll have to hang on to hopes that Gar Paxdorf has a best case option up their sleeve.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...
we played four guards for most of the playoffs, so not a bad idea to pick up some big men….are they the right big men? hmmm…
by RichKarp on Jun 26, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so are we still holding out hope for amare?
kerr sounded last night like the shaq move was just the first in the gutting of phoenix, and i’d previously heard that they like james johnson.
by Calogero on Jun 26, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare
I still expect Amare in Goldenstate. They have much more to offer. Even if Goldenstate offers only peices of what is rummored, it is still better than a proposed Bull’s deal. Wanted Amare have moved on to the Bosh dream…
Deng & Tryrus for Bosh Atleast Deng is sign to a long deal, so he won’t have the opportunity to leave Canada like VC, McGrady, and soon Bosh. They do have a gapping hole at the 3 (if Marion doesn’t resign) that could be filled with Deng.
Also, I would think that Deng at the 3 and Derozan at the 2 games complement eachother. I also think this holds true Tryus / Bargani.
by Jesse07 on Jun 26, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expected more this morning...
but I should have known better…
Who cares that the Bulls did not draft Blair? They obviously scouted him to the point they had him in for a second visit, and in the end, they opted for two versatile players rather than a portly one dimensional short guy…what is the obsession with short players on Blog-A-Bull(a Napoleon complex)?
These are rookies, and late round pick rookies at that…I would set my expectations low, for both players…fortunately, they should split the 10 minutes a night that would have gone to Tim Thomas…
Now, bring on July 1….let’s sign us a free agent or two…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally, some optimism!!!
I like James Johnson, he seems like a poor mans’ Carmelo. I’d rather have that than a rich mans’ Michael Sweetney!!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 26, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We passed on...
Blair, Budinger, and Calathes.
:smh
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Budinger will have a worse career than Taj Gibson.
No question about it. And I don’t even like Taj that much.
by onthemark12 on Jun 26, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least we got a guy with some upside
Honestly, the last guy I wanted was Hansbrough, who to me is at best a solid 6th man. 16th was likely our highest pick for a while, I wanted to use it to draft someone with upside, and we did get a possible impact player. And we did draft two guys who are NBA ready, which means we won’t need Pete Myers to teach them post moves.
It’s the presumed lack of conscience for Johnson that irks me. He shot 29.6% career from 3s in college, yet shot 169 of them in 61 games. He rarely gets to the line, and his free throw drawing rate actually dropped around 20% this year. He shoots too many baaad jumpers, out of the flow of the offense, and doesn’t pass particularly well. And his downside is becoming Tyrus-lite.
This draft isn’t a big deal. As much as I liked Blair, his knees were an issue, and good pick or not we’re a 45-50 win team this year. I just have scenes in my head of Gordon/Salmons/Johnson/Tyrus running the floor together with VDN in the background yelling “SHOOOOOOT ITTTTT” as Rose/Noah/Miller ask “What the hell kind of team did they assemble around us?”
by YaoPau on Jun 26, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Except about the draft pick. They’ll be around 20th next year, but then when they miss out on the Big 4 and Salmons and Miller leave…. beeeeewwwww, lottery!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's his upside?
That wasn’t meant as sarcasm…I’m really not familiar with JJ (que the “Dynomite!!” references for next year), but does he have the potential to become a starter (or earn starter’s minutes)?
I heard references to him as a SF or PF, which presumably would put Luol or TT at risk given they all are fairly close in age. However, a quick comparison of JJ in his 2nd year vs Luol and TT in their only year of college ball doesn’t reveal any particular advantages from JJ.
On the other hand, if he can become a reliable 6/7 man with the versatility to play SF or PF, that’s not such a bad thing given the contributions of Odom and Pietrus in their respective team’s playoff runs.
My only fear with hearing “upside” is something that plagues many NBA teams. When you don’t have an identity or particular style, you’re always in a position to hit or miss on the best available player instead of evaluating the players that best meets your needs (or fits your particular style). IMO, its easier to do the latter than the former, particularly because you don’t have to weigh “upside” as heavily in your decision making.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
by PeteRoc on Jun 26, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not a 45-50 win team if Gordon walks for nothing. not with other teams getting better and the Bulls
not doing anything. The Bulls could end up as a lotto team next year and I wouldn’t be at all surprised. Especially if there’s another Deng injury.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After nearly destroying my TV set, I'm over Blair
At this point, he’s going to pull a Leon Powe on the Spurs, and just like Powe he could flame out in only a few years, or he could never be productive at all. I honestly hope he turns out to be a good player because I like his personality, but considering every NBA team passed on him in the 1st round, and Chicago did bring him in for a 2nd workout, I guess the ACLs really were a serious issue.
Howevah, Taj Gibson…….ugh. That’s a pick that will hurt in the long run when other teams like Portland and Dallas were stashing Euros who have a decent chance of becoming rotation players while Gibson pairs up with Lindsey Hunter to lead the bench cheerleading squad.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to be optimistic
We trade Hinrich for Outlaw and Blake, Deng and Tyrus for Bosh, Gibson for Ellington, Johnson is good, and Salmons is a good 2
PG: Rose/Blake
SG: Salmons/Ellington
SF: Johnson/Outlaw
PF: Bosh/Miller
C: Noah/Miller
Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw needs no explanation, I think we can pull off Deng and Tyrus for Bosh because he’s going to leave Toronto next year anyway, so they’ll want to get some value, and Gibson for Ellington because the Timberwolves GM is drunk with power.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Jun 26, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that is beautiful man!
I only wish…..
by rtblues on Jun 28, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Blair Fanboy(s)
So, all the teams in the league who didn’t pick Blair, were and are wrong, but the poster-fanboy is right?
Aha, ok, I see….
Sounds like a budding GM to me…
Same idiotic thinking as fools like Paxson, McHale and others…
Man, how in the hell do the fanboy rants justify saying Blair should have been picked earlier than he was? REGARDLESS of who saw what “medical records” and so on, does a fan who posts on BBs really think he knows more than ALL the teams in the NBA? Ridiculous.
Get real, the guy dropped for a reason(s) and there was absolute concurrence on this by all the teams who chose before he was picked, so, get over it and yourself please. Time will tell. If you are right, come back and flame, and claim your new GM job in the NBA. Misunderstood genius is such a tough position to be in man, just hang in there, I heard the Bulls will be looking for a new GM SOON! :-)
by rtblues on Jun 28, 2009 3:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yet you can't even rant to the level of a fanboy
so what does that make you?
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

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