Cavs-Suns finally agree on Shaq deal
[From the FanShots. Couldn't I have at least lasted the night with an Amare dream? Maybe this means the Suns are MORE inclined to deal him? Maybe? If not, here's hoping the 'ownership approval' works the way it did for the Bulls coaching search. -ed.]
Shaq to Cleveland, Big Ben and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix. I assume Ben will get bought out and retire.
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Rebuild!!!
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by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You know, Steve Kerr might not be good at his job
The trade is a pretty strong admission by the Suns that they screwed up when they traded Shawn Marion for Shaq in February of 2007. Marion was a free agent this summer and, had they let him walk, their savings would’ve been $21 million not the $5.5 million they’re saving in this deal.
Hindsight blah blah blah…..but damn they messed up big time.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The suns wouldn't have won the championship if they had Marion over Shaq anyways
by the way Marion is useless now
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
21 million dollars in cap space sure would have been useful
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what?
Boozer (who plays the same position as Amare)? Gordon? Wouldn’t you rather have cap space for 2010 when they can maybe steal Wade or Joe Johnson? It really doesn’t matter that they are capped out this year unless your the owner, who has to pay luxury. They would be smart to wait because there’s no one out there anyways during this years free agent class.
Phoenix is a really attractive destination for NBA players, especially if they somehow resign Nash for a couple more years and keep Amare.
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 25, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well since the Suns owner is losing money
I would say 21 million in cap space might have been useful to his wallet.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 25, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not at all concerned for the owner
I was talking from the team’s perspective
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the owner is making the final decisions
so you have to look at his perspective as well.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 25, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sarver's pockets
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by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had the best record in the West when they made the Shaq trade
And Marion was a perfect fit in the Phoenix system. He’s a much lesser player on a halfcourt team like Miami.
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by Big D on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He put up the same numbers on Toronto as he did with Miami
and Toronto runs there offense more like Phoenix did back in the day. So I really believe he has just slowed down considerably. He is 31 years old already
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh god
Now the League can finally get their Lakers/ cavs nba finals and squeeze every little bit out of the Kobe / Shaq thing. Can’t wait for the Christmas match up either.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wow
I wasn’t even thinking about that
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 25, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to KC the Bulls were in on the Shaq talks.
Brad Miller and Tim Thomas were discussed. Im too lazy to link it.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would've been a damn good deal for us if they had accepted
Certainly a first round pick was crucial in a deal for shaq.
by FAN of the BULLS on Jun 25, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O’Neal makes $21 million next season and there were reports late Wednesday he’s getting traded to Cleveland. O’Neal wouldn’t seem to make much sense for a Bulls team intent on improving defensively and playing up-tempo with Derrick Rose. But the Republic reported discussions surrounding swapping expiring contracts — likely those of Brad Miller and Tim Thomas — were discussed.
Do you like fishsticks?
by HOWEVA on Jun 25, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Neal played on an up tempo team last year with Phoenix
KC misses the simplest things some times.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 25, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this really matter?
You’re talking about Shaq. He’s going to be 38 years old. Remember Kareem playing in the Showtime Laker lineups?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only other useless information I'll add to this is...
Shaq is going to look pretty fat in wine and gold. They totally ripped that off from the 80’s Bulls with Chicago in cursive. My life sucks.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not the colors that make him look fat
It’s the fat that makes him look fat.
by NittanyCub on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh is this a move so they can sign
2010 free agents? I guess so. Rent a Shaq. When was the last time he played in a cold city? Hmmm never?
by SoulEater7 on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the world?
Chicago: Where Derrick Rose happens
by Juan dela Cruz on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cavs can have Shaq.
This move doesn’t necessarily mean instant chammpionship for Cleveland. Cleveland grabbed the wrong big man. If they had grabbed Bosh they would have a young dynasty on their hands. With Shaq its “now or never.” Wherever Shaq goes he has to be the center of attention and he HAS to have his touches. He also can’t defend the pick-and-roll and is still a liability at the free throw line. Oh and btw he’s 37 years old! Hes not the Shaq from 2001 or even 2006. And don’t forget about the beasts of the east Celtics and Magic standing in their way. If the Cavs don’t get it done next season (and ultimately i don’t think they will), and if we have grabbed Bosh by then; Lebron would have to consider the Bulls as thee best option for championship glory!!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
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by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they grabbed who was availble.
I can guarantee you that unless the Cavs’ GM has turned into either Chris Wallace of a zombie that he wouldn’t trade Bosh for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 25, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq aka The Big Spud.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does give Cleveland more money to keep James and grab another 2010 free agent
Making our chances even less when it comes to getting Bosh or Amare. I would say if Wade and James stay with there teams which will have cap room they can easily attract Bosh or Amare to come play with them.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum Wallace effectively retired at the beginning of the 2007-2008 season. :(
Big Ben and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix. I assume Ben will get bought out and retire.
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by Granny Waiters on Jun 25, 2009 4:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So he signed a 4 year deal with the Bulls
And will likely be out of the league after year 3. I think we all knew the last year or two of that contract would be rough, but no one could have imagined that.
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by Big D on Jun 25, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Shawn Marion a FA?
He could make his way back to Phoenix.
by benhertz on Jun 25, 2009 5:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He could...
But I doubt he will…Steve Kerr is making his mark on this franchise..
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like how a dog makes his mark on a fire hydrant.
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by Big D on Jun 25, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to espn and broussard
theres still a very highly likely chance that amare will be dealt in the coming days
esp since he can bolt within a year
by sin on Jun 25, 2009 5:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of this is,
now we have to resign Ben Wallace to guard Shaq.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 25, 2009 6:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this makes it less of a chance that they move Amare
Now that they do not have to pay the luxury tax. They still have Nash, Richardson, and Amare to keep ticket sales coming in.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to think that too, but I've been wrong before
The other thing I imagine is that if Amare doesn’t command that high a price (say, Kirk, either to Phoenix or to Portland for NG contracts and Tyrus), just for example, then you have to say yes.
And maybe it’s just because I’m so on Bosh’s jock, but if we get Amare for relatively cheap, why not still go after Bosh? Say Noah, Salmons, Pick for Bosh, and Kirk, Tyrus (+#26?) for Amare
We come out of it with
1- Rose
2- Gordon
3- Deng
4- Bosh
5- Amare, Miller
Find two free agents and you’ve got yourself something pretty interesting.
by Sports2 on Jun 25, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that lineup would be ridiculous. The other problem with it is that Rose sucks on D, so does Gordon, and so does STAT.
It sure would be fun to watch on offense, though.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you; The Cavs will not win the title.
The Cavs will have a dominating regular season. Shaq will give good quotes for the media (as always). At some point in the season Shaq and Lebron will have a little rift only to make up a few games later. And in the end the Cavs will die a slow and horrible death in the eastern conference finals. Lebron, once again shutout from a title, will become so frustrated that he leaves the Cavs no what their plans are for 2010. The Bulls, with Bosh included, will be waiting for him.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Stoudemire SUCKS on defense, does he?
And I still have hope that Rose won’t suck.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare sucking is a bit of an overstatement. He's just not interested, which is annoying. . .
especially given the tools he has to be an elite defender (length, quick leaper, great agility, etc.)
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,really he SUCKS on defense.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 25, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I'm with fundamentallysound on this...
Amare’s not a great defender but he doesn’t suck. He’s kind of like a Tyrus Thomas on D (although Tyrus gives much better effort). Amare has potential to be one of the best help defenders in the league, he just doesn’t care to. But he should average about 2-3 bpg if he really cared.
On the Shaq to Cleveland note, I think this is pretty desperate by the Cavs. Think about it. What killed Cleveland in the East Finals? Two things:
A.) Had no athletic wing to guard Lewis/Turkoglu on the wing.
B.) Had no answer for the Turkoglu/Howard pick and roll.
Does Shaq solve either of these problems? Exactly what problems DOES he solve for the Cavs? Last time I checked Shaq isn’t guarding ANYONE on the wing and he’s most likely the worst pick and roll defender in the last 10 years (maybe besides Steve Nash, funny they missed the playoffs together last year huh?).
Unless this is a one-year tryout with the plan of signing Bosh, Amare or Joe Johnson next year I think this was a bad basketball decision by both teams, but mainly the Cavs.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desperate, I agree
They give Lebron what he wants, and that may make strides this offseason at pacifying him after the loss to the Magic. I think the desperation comes in from management trying to keep Lebron in Cleveland.
I bet the CAVS aren’t done yet for trades — they so far made Lebron happy. But they will need to fill gaps still with other players. Ferry is pretty smart (I think) and probably sees the issues you listed above — and the Magic are the main team they need to overcome…
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by BCs71 on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but if Rose still sucks in 2-3 years, then we suck (not really, but you know what I mean)
He will probably become at least average, and if he’s never going to fight through screens, at least play some kind of Iverson-level D and use the quickness to play the passing lanes.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant on defense.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
East will be tough this year...
Especially if Jamal Crawford goes to the hawks and the wizards get good.
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by knickknack7450 on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This will be fun
The difference between those three is the Godfather trilogy. One is Fredo, who was never ready for me to hand it over to him. One is Sonny, who will do whatever it takes to be the man, and one is Michael, who if you watch the trilogy, the Godfather hands it over to Michael. So I have no problem handing it over to Dwyane.
- On his relationship with Penny, Kobe, and Dwyane respectively
So i wonder what he will think about playing with the king. Will he call him sell the Duke Shaq? I wonder what kobe feels, i mean he just got out of shaqs shadow and now the media is gonna hype this up even more. I mean if Kobe vs Lebron was hyped to no end during the post season, can anyone imagine how hyped up Kobe vs Shaq and Lebron is gonna be…Kobe has gotta be bashing his head on the wall, not because of the fact that the cavs are so much better, but because he knows the media is gonna give him hell for this…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LeBron's Tom Hagen, so much better than the rest yet still underappreciated
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by snley on Jun 25, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wrote Tom Hagen out of the script in GIII because Duvall wanted too much money................
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not being in that movie was probably the best decision of his career
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Jun 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only Duvall won an Oscar for a movie related to Chicago....
The parable would make sense.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I don’t enjoy seeing Kobe t’d off, but Shaq just must have the spotlight on him, all of the time!
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by dfjmed on Jun 25, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like this trade
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
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