The (Rejuvenated) Case for DeJuan Blair
Given what I heard Chad Ford say today, that DeJuan Blair's "knee problems" are just that he doesn't have ACLs - a "problem" Hines Ward has had since the age of 9 without issue (hat tip to NBA Observer) - he's shot back up to I Love Him At #16 status. Have a look...
Player Comparison Time!
Below are this year's stats for three power forwards, adjusted to 69.8 possessions, which are the number of possessions the Bulls play in 36 minutes. in other words, these are Per36 numbers, pace adjusted for Bulls pace:
Player A: 28.1 points, 17.8 rebs, 2.8 ast, 4.1 tov, 1.4 stl, 1.5 blk, 3.2pf ... 0.660 TS%, 31.7 USG, 20.27 years old
Player B: 24.4 points, 19.1 rebs, 1.9 ast, 1.9 tov, 2.4 stl, 1.5 blk, 4.2pf ... 0.608 TS%, 26.3 USG, 20.17 years old
Player C: 25.9 points, 10.1 rebs, 1.2 ast, 2.3 tov, 1.5 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.8pf ... 0.624 TS%, 26.7 USG, 23.64 years old
Players A and B put up video game / Moses Malone numbers, and Player C is a still-impressive yet distant third. A is the better offensive player - his 0.660 TS% on 31.7 USG is ridiculous, and his 2.8 assists are also impressive, especially considering how often he scores. B though, is no slouch offensively - 0.608 TS% on 26.3 USG is still outstanding, and his 1.9 turnovers is less than half of Player A's 4.1. He was the best rebounder of the group, and defensively his 2.4 steals and 1.5 blocks are a couple notches above.
Player C can score, but he seems to be lacking defensively and on the boards, and he's over 3 years older than Players A and B.
Player A is Blake Griffin, Player B is DeJuan Blair, Player C is Tyler Hansbrough.
Blair was as good as Griffin this year
For all the hoopla Blake Griffin got last year, Blair's numbers were just as good, and he put them up in the nation's toughest conference. And while it's easy to say "Griffin's the much better player", then question is why? Especially when defense and rebounding translate better to the NBA than offensive numbers.
Thankfully, it doesn't matter who's better between Griffin and Blair. Griffin will be taken #1 overall, and Blair will likely fall right behind him at #2 #5 #7... #16 (!!) It's an incredible steal.
Combine numbers, fit, etc
You know these by now. He's just 6'5", but his standing reach is 8'10.5", which puts him ahead of Griffin's and Hanbrough's 8'9". His 33" vertical is equal to Danny Green's, Marcus Thornton's, and Sam Young's. The guy's a freak. And I'm no medic, but I got the impression from Chad Ford's chat the knee issues are overblown. The issue is arthritis down the line, not higher risk for reinjury, and Hines Ward is an example of it not affecting one's career longterm.
And Blair fits well next to Noah. He anchored Pitt's defense, and has the girth we need to body up some of the league's strongest players. He has that offensive ability too, with post moves using either hand that he used to drop 22 points on Thabeet in a Pitt win this past year.
Terrence Williams looks to be gone to Charlotte at #12. Mullens probably goes to Detroit at #15. Lawson and Jennings seem like good value picks, but they're bad fits and they each have their question marks. Henderson's an option, but he doesn't fit with both Rose and Luol (lacks passing/3pt shooting), and his numbers this year were mediocre. Hansbrough's numbers haven't improved a lick since freshman year, and they were trumped this year by Blair's, especially defensively.
I see the logic in picking a high floor player we can package for a Bosh/Amare impact player, but in Blair we have a chance to draft that impact player now. Seriously. If his knees go, his knees go - it's a risk worth taking with a guy this good.
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I'd be thrilled if we can get Blair
I think he fits in best right now on the team, even if he doesn’t have the height or upside of some other guys. With where the Bulls are picking in this draft, I’d rather get a definite contributor than a guy who might be really good some day.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Jun 24, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i love dajuan blair
he’s the only guy that if we get tomorrow night i’d be legitimately giddy about
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
I got caught up in the hype of several players throughout this process but when it’s all said and done, I’m back where I started. Bulls need Blair, even if it means trading up to get him.
by JSlakov on Jun 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry
but Blair reminds me of Mike Sweetney big time. I’m just scared as hell about drafting a 6’6 PF who plays under the rim. Not to mention he looks like he has weight problems. When the guy drops 20lbs for the draft so he can be picked higher that scares me.
We’re supposed to be a running team how the heck does this guy help us? His post game will get shut down big time in the pro’s. I really just dont think this kids college game is going to translate to the NBA all that well.
I’d rather run TT for 48 min than see what this kid has. We need a SG cause more than likely BG is gone. Im not prepared to watch KH of JS run the SG. If BG comes back T Williams will be a great throw in if need be or good insurance for Deng, Js for 4 years cause he can play the wing just as well.
Here’s hoping the Bulls make the right decision and get T Will…..
by Bulls4Ever on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of successful PFs who play "below the rim."
Right now, that guy would be Boozer. Back in the day, it was Barkley. And Big Baby Davis, who was a beast in college, looks like he’ll be a solid contributor for years to come, too. Not to mention Kevin Love, who himself lost lots of weight leading up to the draft and was the best rebounder in his class. Love only went on to post a ridiculously successful rookie season and continues to get in better shape.
The comparison to Sweetney is completely superficial. There’s really no reason to think Blair will be a bust.
by arjoseph on Jun 24, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I like T Will too, but
we’d have to trade up to get him, and I don’t think Williams is that good.
You’re right that Blair’s scoring won’t translate, but his defense and rebounding will. I think at worst he’s Reggie Evans (still a great pick a #16), and at best he’s Leon Powe offensively and somewhere between Evans and Chuck Hayes defensively and on the boards. That combination is one hell of a player, and it’s completely doable at 6’6".
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
If we have to trade aroudn to get any of these guys. But if you had the choice between T Will and Blair you would take?
All 3 of those guys you mentioned kind of (no offense) suck! Cant we do better at #16 than some second round , udrafted scrubs?
by Bulls4Ever on Jun 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Blair
I love Williams’ passing ability and I think he can start for us, but Blair’s a potential star – if it weren’t for the knee issues we’d be talking about him near the Top 5, and it sounds like there’s a good chance the knee problems wont affect him for a while.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The weight issue should be examined on a per player basis
Guys like Kevin Love dropped the weight once they left behind the college cafeteria food for a professional diet designed specifically for them. Once it is off it’s up to the player to keep it off. Sweetney obviously didn’t. Eddy Curry really doesn’t. Love has. In fact, if you look at his body now he is so much more toned and it shows in his game.
Blair has shed his college weight. He probably could learn a few more pounds, but as long as he’s able to perform on his draft weight he should be fine in the pros.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year isn't much of a sample size
Sweetney lost weight before the draft… then gained it right back.
Curry lost weight a couple times then gained it right back.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, one year is not
But from what I saw of Kevin Love at Oswego High School he did trim down at UCLA and dramatically trimmed down from there in the NBA.
In year Curry’s year 4 in the NBA he looked liked a different person. I didn’t even recognize him when he lost the corn rows and appeared to lose about 30 pounds. What was that year? Oh yeah. A contract year.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not as skeptical as you, but I realize that it's no certain thing with Blair.
There’s very little you can do to predict if someone will keep their weight off. There is a lot you can do to help, though. The Bulls don’t strike me as that much of a helping organization.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweetney, Blair are different
Sweetney has a large appetite especially for food, and he never gave me the impression
he cared passionately for basketball. Yet, only to the degree that a NBA salary could
provide him with many more cakes, pies and chickens.
Shaq/Barkley on the other hand, had/has weight problems also, but their emphasis was primarily basketball hunger (4 championships for Shaq) & (Hall of Famer for Barkley).
Blair disposition as a person seems more aligned with Shaq’s & Barkley, imho. I believe we would be a good pick if Bulls could get him.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Love Blair
if only because the Bulls seem to never draft the stocky tough frontcourt rebounding beast. Where’s our Milsap, Landry, Maxiell, etc?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I miss the days when we had player “Beast” like:
(Charles Oakley,Bill Cartwright, Dennis Rodman,Nate Thurmond,Ed Nealy,Jack Haley,Artis Gilmore,Ron Artest)
And when the other team knocked our pg/sg down to the ground, and we had a player who could stand in between the crowd and intimate without raising a hand or saying a word.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller in corn rows
is rather intimidating.
Since he lost the rows, how about we have him carry around a crossbow?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely he can be ranked with the others..
Bulls interior defense improved midseason with his re-acquistion.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 24, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Credit to YFBB for the Miller pep talks
I thought he would be bad. Miller was much better than I expected.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
The Celtics had no KG or Powe, but were still able to crash the boards with success. As it stands right now, Tim Thomas is the backup power forward. Blair would be a huge help, and also give Vinny a more traditional forward to play instead of resorting to small ball at the slightest hint of trouble.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm coming around on him too
At least, I think there’s some point at which he becomes a good value, and our other options at #16 don’t look obviously great to me. One would think, based on what I’ve read, that he’ll last his rookie contract.
So hey, he’s got a leg up on Thabo.
The thing I wonder about is how he affects other decisions down the road, especially if he’s fairly successful. Suppose he’s very good for his first few seasons, and not an injury problem. Do we just ignore the knee issues and sign him to a long-term deal? That seems iffy since we’re looking at it like a long-term issue.
Yet, if he produces, we’d be hard pressed to give him the Ben Gordon red-headed step child treatment even if there might be good reason to.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We've got 4 years to figure that out
by Jamaicanpi on Jun 24, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true...
If we get to the “do we re-sign him” point, that means we’ve already come out ahead at #16.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if the alternative is a guy we also get to that point with, but don't have the knee fear issue with
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
... who's also as good as Blair?
Who are you thinking of?
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly Hansbrough, Henderson, Lawson
I think the latter two have the “high ceilings” you’d want. and I could potentially see Hansbrough as better than expected as well. Mullins possibly
I also think it’s quite possible that Blair could be decent but not great. Even if his knees hold up and his weight doesn’t baloon, I don’t see him as a sure fire success.
- He’s not going to be overpoweringly strong or quick in the pro game, so he’s not gonna get on the push around wispy 6’8" guy gravy train any more.
- Even with losing weight, he’s not exactly speedy or quick off the ground.
All in all, I just think he relied a lot on his physical advantages in college to create his production, and they’re not going to be there in the pros.
He’s certainly capable of playing physically, but when you strip away the advantages of size and strength, but his mix of skills is also funky.
He seems to set really good screens, but nobody’s going to guard him if he’s more than a few feet from the hoop. His defense consists of rebounds and steals. I don’t hear of anyone calling him a good positional defender, except when he can just muscle guys. And he won’t be able to do that in the league.
So yeah, there are some real questions about how good he turns out in my mind.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting, Sports2 -
I don’t think it was that he simply overpowered guys at the college level. I thought his production was more of a reflection of anticipation, hands, and will. In fact, in terms of his size and strength, he didn’t really enjoy that big of an advantage. And certainly not enough of an advantage to explain the numbers he put up.
Just a quick example: in college Brandon Bass was almost exactly Blair’s size, with a better vertical and more reps on the bench. He averaged around 8rpg in 34mpg; and he’s been a fairly average rebounder as a pro. No surprise there.
What interests me is that, while being roughly equal in size and strength, Blair’s numbers demolish his (while facing far superior competition) – and that’s true for dozens of players. I can’t make a causal argument, of course. But one possibility is that the difference is in their production stems from mental characteristics. I think Blair simply sees the game better than his peers. He knows where the ball is going, and has the will (itself a rarity) to just keep going after it.
People have mentioned – rightly so – that rebounding is the skill that translates best from college to the pros. I think that’s true precisely because the qualities that make a great rebounder do not vanish when the physicality gap closes. And for that reason, I don’t share your concerns about DeJuan.
I’m actually curious to see how produces regardless of whether or not the Bulls pick him. Kind of a hoops experiment: what makes a great rebounder?
It’ll be cool to see this play out.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about his intangibles
And I didn’t mean to make it sound like he solely relied on his physical prowess. He’s gifted, but I think when you combine a guy that’s gifted in the basketball sense with a guy who’s gifted with being bigger and stronger than everyone (he apparently weighed about 50lbs more than Brandon Bass for most of his college career!), then I at least have the suspicion that it’s partly do to being bigger and stronger.
As I’ve said, it’s not that I don’t want him at all, I’m just more on the fence about him I guess. For that matter, I’m pretty on the fence about everyone except Ty Lawson, who, of course, plays the position we have the least conceivable need for.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been so confused about a draft
in the sense that every player has obvious flaws, and I can’t just pick a player and say – that’s our guy. In the end I favor Blair because he’s a flawed player who fits a need.
But it’s a big gamble, and I’m sure the Bulls feel similarly. Frankly, being on the fence with any of these guys outside of Griffin is probably the most rational course. Heck: I don’t even think highly of Thabeet, and he’s going second.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's really quick
You don’t average 19 boards, 2.5 steals, 1.5 blocks per 36 adjusted by being lethargic or slow off the ground, especially when you’re 6’5" in the Big East. He’s enormous, but the athleticism is also there. Have a look.
That said, I don’t expect him to be a 1st or 2nd or even 3rd option at the next level. He’s got some post skill, and unlike Noah/Tyrus he’ll probably be able score if he’s got deep position, but most of his points will still come off rebounds as they did in college. Add in above average defense and rebounding though, and you’ve got yourself a PF upgrade.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me,
the key is that his lack of verticality isn’t prohibitive. When I saw that his athleticism and reach was the equal of other, very successful NBA rebounders, that did a lot to alleviate my worries.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About pace adjusted stats
Adjusting for pace incorporates some big assumptions in this case. The Bulls played a fast pace. To put it in like terms, the Bulls played about 78 possessions per 40 minutes. Pittsburgh, with Blair, played a 67 possession game (I’m not gonna adjust for the random OT game… just taking what DX gives me)
In contrast, Hansbrough and the Tar Heels played at a pretty frantic pace for the NCAA. They generated 76 possessions a game.
To flip it, Pittsburg’s possessions translates into, I think, a pace (poss/48) of 80.4. The NBA’s lowest paced team last year, the Blazers, had a pace of 86.6 (Bulls were 9th at 93.1 and the Warriors topped out at 98.2).
What this means is you’re doing a lot more extrapolation with Blair (and Griffin as well) and assuming that they’ll be able to play (at the same level) at the faster pace they’ll be expected to. I can see a lot of reasons that might be a problem. Blair isn’t exactly a speedster even after losing his 40lbs in a month.
To what extent did Pitt play slow because of Blair?
To what extent can Blair speed up?
And does he lose anything in doing so?
Again, I’m not trying to knock him and say I wouldn’t take him at some point, but the pace adjustment question itself leads to a lot of questions in my mind.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong about this
but didn’t Blair actually surprise a lot of scouts at the workouts with his foot speed? I could have sworn I read that somewhere on ESPN.com…
I’m not saying your argument is irrelevant — because it’s not. The change in pace from Pitt to the Bulls is extreme. I don’t think there’s any way Blair gets 24 and 19 in 36 min/gm at any point in his career. But if he puts up 13 and 9 in 22-25 min/gm as a rookie on the Bulls I will be thrilled.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The follow up is if you look in absolute terms, his rebound rate is absurd
I went through and calculated out his rebound rate, which is what we commonly use when talking NBA. It’s a bit of a pain to look up opponents’ stats, which you need to calculate it, but it can be done.
Year Player TRB%
2009 Blair 25.7
2008 Blair 20.0
2009 Hansbr 13.8
2009 Griffin 24.0
2009 Young 11.2
2009 Mullins 14.6
2008 Koufos 14.1
2007 Oden 19.4
2007 Noah 19.6
2007 Horford 20.5
2008 Love 22.1
2007 Gray 20.2
2006 Gray 21.6
It’s also interesting he had such a big jump this year. Last year he was still good, but not ridiculously good like he was this year.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few other rebound rates
2007 Gray 20.2 2006 Gray 21.6 2002 Boozer 16.7 2006 S. Williams 18.5 2006 T. Thomas 19.7 2006 G. Davis 17.0 2009 Thabeet 17.9 2008 Thabeet 13.2 2007 Thabeet 13.4 2008 Adrian 14.1 2007 Adrian 15.1 2004 Okafor 17.9 2004 Boone 13.3 2004 Armstrong 15.5
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Blair's rebound rate was driven
by an insane 23.7% OREB rate though, which might be the highest in NCAA history. Millsap only managed 18% as a junior and that’sthe highest of guys I’ve looked at. But, Blair was really helped by Pitt’s slow pace which let him gets his fat ass under the basket and I don’t know how much of that is sustainable in the NBA. He’s going to be good at it, but I’m not expecting a historically good offensive rebounder. His defensive rebounding was really good at 27.7%, but not historically good. Griffin was at 32% and Beasley at 30%. Guys like Millsap and Evans at 25%. Still really strong, but more comparable to other players.
by Scotter on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, I was too damn lazy to break out offensive and defensive
Offhand, I’d say offensive rebounding is more likely to suffer from an increased pace than defensive rebounding. If you don’t hustle back on defense, you get benched. If you don’t play great transition offense, it seems like it’s more frequently covered up.
by Sports2 on Jun 25, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas doesn't know whether to agree or disagree.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's much faster without the weight-
I watched a few workouts and was petty shocked by his speed, physique, and improved jumper. He doesn’t look like the same player. Let me just find the link for you…one sec…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always a mystery how they will perform in the NBA with these 6'6-6'8" physical types like Blair?
Some do extremely well, while don’t?? Milisap, Leon Powe, Big Baby vs Sweetney, Sheldon Williams, etc.
IMHO, Hansbrough is one of the biggest mysteries.. This guy is fundamently sound, has an outside shot and does things well. Yet, because of his diligence, he had no desire to come the the NBA eariler??? Many guys go early to the NBA for financial reasons, some to compete at the highest level and other guys like Noah were forced to come early to the NBA (two championships) although it seems Noah would have been happy to stay back another year.
Therefore if I liken Hansbrough in motivation I’d probably put him something like Big Baby and Noah. Clearly Big Baby, and Noah could have came out the same year Tyrus did, but chose to play one more year and like Hansbrough their stock “appropriately” fell in the draft.
Personally I think both Big Baby, Noah and Hansbrough are (and will continue to be) better players that Tyrus.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 24, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um... this is an NBA draft. There is no one "as good as".
You might believe it whole-heartedly, but you’re accepting and presenting his beastness and goodness in the NBA as fact. When you show me the r-squared = 1.0, I will, too.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said his beastness is fact
Read what I was responding to …
At least, I think there’s some point at which he becomes a good value, and our other options at #16 don’t look obviously great to me … Suppose he’s very good for his first few seasons, and not an injury problem. Do we just ignore the knee issues and sign him to a long-term deal?
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming he's already good in the pros.
who’s also as good as Blair?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can quote me, but quote the whole message
the “…” changes the meaning completely. It was a question… “Do you see somebody at #16 who’s as good as Blair and not a health risk”, and Sports2 answered it. You’re picking at an issue that isn’t there.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're still assuming Blair is going to be a good pro.
You’re thinking rebounding translates well from college to pros. He rebounds great. He’s a great pro. You’re assuming a perfect correlation. I know you’ll say you’re not, but it’s pretty evident by what you’re saying. You compared him to Blake Griffin suggesting that he’ll be better than Griffin.
So much certainty on an issue filled with so much uncertainty disturbs me and indicates to me that someone is a lacking a fundamental understanding of the situation.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from the guy who just said
BJ Mullens’ ceiling is Kwame Brown’s career. Got it.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm sure I've prefaced everything with "i think" not stating it as "i know"
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concern is that Blair won't be there at 16.
Chad Ford has the Pacers taking him a few picks before then, and the Nets had interest a while back as well. I’d be all in favor of trading both 16 and 26 to move up to ensure getting Blair. (If we could get a second rounder out of it, too, then that’s gravy.)
by arjoseph on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And neither will Hansbrough!
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 24, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only team seriously considering Hansbrough before 16 is the Nets at 11.
The latest rumors say that Hansbrough is their fourth choice, though. Unless something really screwy happens, Hansbrough will probably be there. If he’s not, that means someone else fell (like Henderson).
by arjoseph on Jun 24, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Blair is gone before 13, and Tyler is still on the board, Pacers will take him?
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 25, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The recent scuttlebut is no.
The Pacers are rumored to be looking for a PG. That’s only a rumor though, as they’ve also shown interest in Hansbrough. The Pacers have lots of needs, so it’s really a crapshoot as to which direction they go.
by arjoseph on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Hoosier, I really think Lawson is the right choice for them.
The Pacers have a boatload of middling quality power forwards/centers locked up forever. Murphy, Foster. Hibbert is there for better or worse. Granger and Dunleavy can sort of play the 4 as well.
So I don’t see any real logic to them drafting Hansbrough. I could sort of see Blair just because he provides a different dimension, but Hansbrough provides exactly the same dimensions, probably, as Murphy, just not as well.
Lawson, on the other hand, seems like a very obvious choice. I don’t care what smoke anyone blows, I can’t see the Pacers shelling out major money to re-sign Jarett Jack. He’s a backup. And nobody should feel all that great about TJ Ford.
And the team is bleading money.
Lawson seems an obvious fit. Cheap, plays like Ford but can shoot the 3 ball, which Jim O’Brian wants. Good player all around from a good program. If he’s not the guy and he’s available, it’s a mistake.
by Sports2 on Jun 25, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
to mention his " questionable knees". If I knew Bg was locked up i wouldnt mind going after this guy but he’s not.
I think Detroit will try and sign BG and as much as BG says business is business i think he def feels slighted and will sign for comprable money else where.
I just think the bulls need another distributor/play maker and we’ll be gtg.
by Bulls4Ever on Jun 24, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i just heard that was what his "knee issue" was today
and i immediately jumped back on the blair bandwagon. the past few days id talked myself into james johnson over him, but im back with blair now. and i dont care that he only measured 6’6; the 8’10.5 standing reach number is much more important— remember the old jerry krause theory of liking big guys with short necks because a long neck was wasted height?
by Calogero on Jun 24, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
checking the mother’s hand size too…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me, Blair's greatest asset
is that he fills a deficency we have right now. By adding him we improve instantly, whereas Gerald Henderson only gets burn if we lose BG. Likewise, getting James Johnson only really matters if we trade Luol – and I don’t foresee our longed-for mega deal materializing.
So why create a need just to “fill” it with lesser players? Dammit, just sign BG and move the frak on.
It’s interesting to compare Tyrus and Blair as well. Because they’re almost the exact opposite type of power forward. One is a post defender, the other a weak-side shot blocker. One scores by offensive rebounding and backing his man down, the other favors perimeter shooting and drives. Most importantly – while Tyrus has stopped rebounding, Blair was a historically good rebounder at Pitt.
Would I rather just have Bosh, a complete player? Sure. But in the absence of one power forward who does it all, I’ll live with two flawed but complementary ones.
And I admit that I’m biased. I actually like the guy: his personality, how he comports himself on the court, and the passion (authentic) with which he plays. Liking a guy might be the most superficial criteria imaginable for judging a prospect…but strictly as a fan…it’s just easier to get emotionally involved. And that makes it more entertaining.
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and thanks for the numbers, Yaopao.
19.1 rebs per 36?!?
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude is a freak.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentally-
that’s what sets him apart. A lot of guys have his physique and vertical. But very few have his combination of size, anticipation (for the same reason he gets steals, he rebounds everything), will, and hands.
Dammit. Now I’m getting excited.
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember being one of the first to bang the Blair drum during the first round of draft posts
and though I was scared about his knees for a time and tried to talk myself into other guys, ultimately, Blair is my guy at #16 (if he’s there). I will actually be pissed if he’s available and the Bulls don’t draft him. So, yeah, get it done, Gar.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
I emailed Sam Smith about a month ago with a draft plan that involved us trading the 26 pick in some random package w/ Tyrus (I can’t remember for who.. Joe Johnson or Bosh most likely) and drafting Blair at 16.
He was the first guy I targeted for our draft pick before we all started talking about Henderson and Williams and Mullens etc. If pass him up I too will be very upset.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone else to look at...
This is simply fantastic analysis! It is great to see someone backing up thoughts with some quality math.
Let’s look at player D (also Bulls 36min pace adjusted)
Player D: 28.9 points, 17.7 rebs, 6.5 ast, 6.5 tov, 2.1 stl, 2.8 blk, 3.9pf 21 years old
Any guesses who this one is? He did play in a major conference and is projected mid first round.
by DRose01 on Jun 24, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's killing me...
who is this beast of all beasts? James Johnson?
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch his interview on DX...
it’s incredibly disconcerting. Am I imagining it, or does he really sound like a child?
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How'd you get those numbers?
I got 17.1 points, 10.5 rebs, 3.9 ast, 3.9 tov, 1.2 stl, 1.7 blk … which makes sense because he played 34.2 mpg this year and scored just 14.2 points.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was just thinking...
those numbers can’t be right. His production was mediocre.
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by MPG on Jun 24, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it...
Earl Clark?
My only other guesses would be Gerald Henderson or Terrence Williams. Please tell me it’s not Byron James…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am retarded...
Typed in wrong numbers for possessions…oops…thought it was a bit surprising…nevermind clark sucks
by DRose01 on Jun 24, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Also...
Where did you get your stats, because when I recalculated I got 16.74 points (definitely much closer, but still off).
by DRose01 on Jun 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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