Givony: Terrence Williams to Bobcats, "Done Deal"
Givony won't reveal his source, but he said more than once that it is an absolute that he got a promise from the Bobcats. He was definitely certain about it.
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I'm okay with this.
I like Williams, but his shooting and inability to get to the FT line bothers me. I’m glad the Bulls don’t have to make this choice. The Pacers, Suns and Pistons don’t need another wing player so that would mean the Bulls would have a choice of Henderson.
Givony really changed his board a lot late last night. He said he talked to 5 or 6 different “teams” and went through the whole draft. He thinks the way it is represents a consensus of those five teams. But there are a LOT of surprises.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
God I think it's amazing Flynn is projected (in this draft) to go ahead Evans, and even Rubio...
if they actually pass on Evans for Flynn I think they’ll regret it…
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Jonny Flynn has become so wildly overrated it's not funny.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It's really hard not to love the guy."--Givony
No qualifications like, “as a basketball player.”
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it seems people just like the kid, instead of actually worrying about whether he's any good.
The guy was a turnover machine. Of the PGs projected to go in the first round, only Jrue Holiday had a higher TO/Pos ratio than Flynn.
If you can’t hang onto the ball in college, I don’t see how you translate as a PG in the NBA.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flynn has nobody respectable in the Syracuse front court
Paul Harris was decent, but didn’t play down low at all to receive passes. Flynn ended up trying to finish nearly all of his lane penetration off the dribble.
Among the PGs in this draft, if you subtract Tyreke Evans, I think Flynn’s going to be the strongest defender as well.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you explain the knock on his shooting?
I keep seeing that, but if anything his shooting looks like a strength. He shot the three ball well and did it a lot.
If there’s a problem, and there is, it’s putting the ball on the floor and creating his own shot.
He and Henderson generally seem the polar opposites in that respect. Put them together and you’d have the total package.
I am a bit concerned, however, with the prospect of a Rose/Henderson backcourt. For that matter, who’s the frontcourt with that team. Are we gonna field anyone that can shoot from distance?
We’re getting close to the draft and I still hear no trade talk. I want my new Bosh.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't shoot a midrange J to save his life (notice his low 2P%) and his 3P numbers are sort of aberrational
because his FT% is crap (and always has been) and this is the first year that Williams shot really well from distance. He’s seemingly getting better as an outside shooter, but his form isn’t consistent and his shot just isn’t that great.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 24, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Bowen
He just seems to be a guy who’s kind of a one trick pony
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too concerned with shooting from three.
I think Thomas will be fine “shooting from distance” and Deng is good at it, too.
I think Williams 3pt% is a fluke this year. He had one good season which was bouyed by a strong tournament. He shot 36.8% from 3 before the NCAA. it’s literally the difference between 4-5 makes over 37games that have him go from a “strength” to having “not really improved at all.” Then you see that he hasn’t improved his FT% at all, and that’s one of the surest signs of an ability to improve one’s shooting. (yes, there are exceptions to the rule like Bruce Bowen, but there are exceptions to any “rule” regarding human performance.)
Then, his 2Pt% is ~45% while Henderson is ~50% and the likes of Harden and DeRozan are ~55% from inside the arc.
And finally, there’s the situation-specific stats:
That really hurts his cause since he has major shortcomings as a shooter. He scored only 1.12 PPP on his open catch and shoot looks, which isn’t awful, but his .58 PPP on pull up jumpers ranks last amongst shooting guards and second to last amongst all guards(—Henderson is 1.15 and .79, respectively)
If Henderson makes 5 more 3’s and Williams misses 5 more 3’s, the 3pt% becomes irrelevant. Knowing the volatility and “luck” involved with shooting, I’m not confident enough to ignore everything else (the stats in other shooting situations, the inconsistent form, etc.) to say that Williams didn’t make 5 more shots than what his “true ability” would suggest.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really does stink for me, too.
If he had even slightly improved his FT% or shot better from inside the arc, I’d be much more apt to believe he’s actually improved his shot. If he had done that, I’d be far less concerned over his ability to create his own shot or draw fouls or finish at the rim. I’ll take a solid shooter who rebounds and assists and plays D at SG, for sure. I just wish I had more confidence that he was a good shooter.
Basically, neither Henderson not Williams shot well. Williams is the far, far better passer and creator for others, but Henderson is a better scorer and creator for himself.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henderson falling to us?
I’d fricking love this.
by M 80 on Jun 24, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know... I just don't think there's a chance that's actually going to happen...
Would love to eat my words though!
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For two basic reasons
1. I see a big as a significantly bigger need for us than a guard. Even if Gordon walks, we’re going into the year with three guys who will probably eat up all the minutes at guard and don’t need any immediate replacement (though I’m not in love with any of them).
2. The difference between the available bigs at #16 and #26 is bigger than the difference between the available guards at #16 and #26. It’s not that I don’t think Henderson is a better prospect than Ellington or Buddinger. He might be. But it’s not any sort of lights out difference.
On the other hand, even Blair, who I’m not at all sold on, is pretty unlikely to be there at #26. And I think you really have to take Hansbrough before Henderson if they’re on the board. I guess I’ll flinch a little bit about taking Blair, just because I’m scared of his knees and weight, but I wouldn’t be mad about passing on Henderson to take him either.
by Sports2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with your premise but not with your conclusion.
But that shouldn’t be surprising considering I still “believe” Thomas can come around, and I think Henderson is the one player out of all those that has a chance to be a legitimate starter. Obviously, those are opinions.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair's knees
Did you know that Hines Ward doesn’t have an ACL in either of his knees?
Perhaps an anomaly, but it is rather extraordinary that Ward has won the Super Bowl MVP, made the pro bowl several times, in a league where your knees are incredibly important to success.
We could draft Blair and then use him in a package deal to send Hinrich to the Twolves and get back Craig Smith and change in return.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I’m seeing he has just on ACL, but this article is from a couple years back:
Things got worse when a doctor examining his left knee at the combine looked up and said, “Damn, son, you have no ACL.”
“That’s great,” Ward said. “Then I can’t tear it.”
“No, that’s not great,” the doctor said.
The ACL lost its life somewhere in Forest Park, the fatality stemming from a bicycle accident when Hines was 9. It caused his already iffy, what-position-does-he-play stock to drop more.
I won’t say I’m perfectly confident in taking Blair now, but it’s encouraging. There’s a chance team doctors completely blew this out of proportion and Blair will be fine just like Ward has been.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Bears starting Guard Roberto Garza also lacks ACLs
From what I recall, Garza hasn’t missed a single game due to a knee injury since coming to the Bears.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the basketball side
I think of Jermaine O’Neal, Jonathan Bender, and Leon Powe.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this breakdown
JG: Well I would definitely but Rubio in a separate tier right after Blake. I would then put Harden, Curry and Jennings into the next tier, all for different reasons. After that you get Hill, Thabeet, Flynn, Evans. That’s how I break it down, but there are a lot of differing opinions out there.
Griffin
Rubio
Harden
Curry
Thabeet
Jennings
Hill
Thabeet
Curry
Flynn
Evans
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Rubio
Pass-first PGs as a whole destroy shoot-first PGs in offensive APM, and Rubio looks as sure a future 10apg guy as there’s been in a recent draft. Add his age, his professionalism, his numbers agains the top competition he’s been playing against, and I’d think there should’ve been at least some discussion about the Clippers taking him #1. I heard Minnesota is thinking of packaging the #5 and #6 for the #2 to get Rubio, and I think that’d be smart.
by YaoPau on Jun 24, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’d try to give up less, but if I had to give up 5 and 6, and I knew there was no way he’d fall to 5, I’d be all over it if I were Minnesota. If they could keep 6, and by some miracle come away with Rubio and Harden… dear lord. That’d be righteous.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 24, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unnamed sources say MIN will not packaged 5 and 6 to get to 2, but....
ESPN link
A source close to Minnesota told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz that the Timberwolves aren’t done. The Wolves now own Nos. 5, 6, 18 and 28 in the first round. A source said that the Timberwolves won’t package Nos. 5 and 6 for No. 2, but they could offer the fifth and 18th picks for the second.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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