Timberwolves - Wiz Trade Aftermath
by Ceasaleo on Jun 23, 2009 11:20 PM CDT
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Okay trading Mike Miller and Randy Foye away leaves the Wolves looking for a backcourt. There were no guards coming back to them in the trade. They now also have 4 1st round picks(#5,6,18,28). I don't see them going into the season with a rookie backcourt, and the only guard worth anything thats left is Telfair. So maybe the time is right for....
The front office to wave Hinrich around in front of them. Something like Hinrich and #16 for #6, #28, and Craig Smith.
Why the Wolves do it:
This new GM seems to want to make some noise. I just can't see them going into the season depending on 2 rookies in their 3 man rotation, at least not at PG. It takes a special talent to do that off da break, and none of these guys look the part to me. You add a solid vet at PG like Hinrich and take Evans/Harden with the 5th pick, and u have a team that may be able to compete for one of those last playoff spots in the West. They still have #16 and #18 to play with. I can easily see their roster looking like this:
PG Hinrich Telfair
SG #5- Evans(read they love him) #18- Terrance Williams
SF Gomes #16 James Johnson
PF Love Songalia
C Jefferson Thomas
Not half bad right? Now to the good part...
Why the Bulls do it:
It gives us a chance to have our cake and eat it too. We dump Kirk's salary, making it easier to resign BG. We get the 6th pick, guaranteeing that we get exactly the guy we want. Or take #6 and drop back to the 8-10 range and still get our guy with a lil extra cash in hand and less to pay. We then still have the late 20's pick. You could grab a rotation guy for this year AND grab a guy to hide in Europe for a year. Or take 2 guys u like still on the board. Or once again drop into the 2nd round and get some loot. Craig Smith gives us underrated muscle in the block and he expires this season. So many possiblities...
We could end up looking like this...
PG Rose #26- Toney Douglas
SG Gordon #8- Henderson
SF Deng Salmons
PF Ty Thomas Craig Smith
C Noah Miller
In this scenario, I trade #6 for NY's #8 and cash(they want to make sure they Stephen Curry) and used the #28 pick to stash SF/PF Jonas Jerebko overseas. This way he can come in for Salmons next year and Asik comes in for Miller. We have money for that 2010 FA and still have chips for a midseason trade.
What do u guys think?...
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I think you might be on to something here
I definitely like your philosophy with the deal and picks. I like Henderson at #8 and the idea of trading down a little to get cash. I like Toney Douglas at 26. The only change I would make (and obviously we son’t know who’s available) is at #28 I might go for a guy who’s a more pure point guard like Nick Calathes (we can still stash him in Greece). The reasoning is that Douglas would be more of a stop-gap backup PG for now (he’s kind of like a BG-style tweener to me) to combine with Rose and Lindsey Hunter.
I really like Calathes’ potential after he develops in Greece for a year or two to be our long-term solution for the 3rd or 4th guard in the rotation.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 23, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions
I generally Hate trade posts,
but this is genius… RECD… I think craig smith could really help us and obviously signing gordon would be huge. Not to mention a top ten pick…. this idea is BRILLIANT!!
The only issue I see is Minny's management having to go back on their words about not wanting "Kurt".
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
Presume they don't have the luxury of wanting
The Wolves NEED Kirk Hinrich.
They are more than welcome to challenge the Clippers for worst franchise in the NBA. Heck, they may even want that.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
issues
1) the trade doesn’t work… you need to throw someone else in and the only people you could throw in our guys the wolves just acquired which i believe can’t be moved unless in a 1-for-1 deal
2) Why on earth would a team that just clearly went in the direction of rebuilding want Hinrich? They just moved Randy Foye who is practically the same player as Kirk just 2 years younger and a FAR better contract.
3) They want TWO lottery picks, they’ve come out and openly stated this
4) You’d have us taking TWO Shooting Guards basically…. and way overdrafting Henderson
other than that…. spot on
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 24, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions
I think they could work it out
by throwing in Brian Cardinal — that would make the salaries work. I agree that Toney Douglas may not be the best choice (although I do like his game — he’s too much of a BG type player). Maybe Darren Collison is the better choice at #26?
This team doesn’t make us a chamionship contender by any means — but it does give us a potential 3-6 seed in the playoffs and flexibility for next year.
That being said, I’m less and less sold on banking on 2010 to give us the star we need. NBA players are notorious for loving warm weather cities (other than NY for some reason) and have long shunned Chicago because of that reason and the fact that no one wants to be constantly playing in Jordan’s shadow.
Guys like D-Wade, Chris Bosh and Stoudamire want to be considered the best players in their respective franchises’ history and that’s not likely to happen in Chicago. The ego still rules the NBA.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
adding Cardinal isn't enough
we’d need another player probably Mark Madsen as well
regardless i still have NO IDEA why the Wolves would want Hinrich…. instead of James Harden or Stephon Curry whom they’d draft with that pick
it makes no sense
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd just like to say
that they shunned Chicago because Chicago was clearly an inept franchise after the great dismantling. That changed after we started making the playoffs and got Ben Wallace, who was a big free agent at the time. Also Jordan’s shadow isnt so large anymore. Rose’s popularity proves that. No reason to believe that players wouldn’t want to come here.
As for “Guys like D-Wade, Chris Bosh and Stoudamire want to be considered the best players in their respective franchises’ history…”
You just pulled that out of your posterior. Bosh would just stay in Toronto or go to the Clippers if that was the case. I’ve never seen a free agent make a choice based on whether they would be the franchise’s best. They look at money, ability to win, and comfort in the city….. that’s it.
That might be pushing it
you don’t think Kobe or LeBron ever think about their legacies or place in basketball history? That doesn’t cross their minds? You think Kobe just started talking, looking and playing like MJ out of coincidence?
If you read the work of any prominent basketball journalists who are close with the top players (Mike Wilbon, Sam Smith, JA Adande etc.) you would realize that a lot of the top players in the NBA think about things like that.
Or I just made it up for fun to make it seem like the team I root for doesn’t have a chance at landing a superstar free agent. Because I don’t want them to. Right.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If Kobe's goal was to be the best player on his team, why would he stay in LA?
Magic, Kareem and Wilt all played for the Lakers — after Michael, those are three of the five best players of all-time. There would be a number of places easier to become the Best All-Time Franchise Player.
In fact, Kobe wanted to go to Chicago, remember? He wanted to be a part of the Bull/MJ legacy.
I doubt that a desire to be the best all-time franchise player, frankly, has anything to do with it.
Well, if you look at my original point
it was that NBA players shun Chicago for fear of playing in Jordan’s shadow AND weather. A player might be able to overlook a storied franchise history (a place where he’ll never be as loved as those before him) if the weather is warm, the money is right AND there’s a chance to win (ie. LA). Also, in LA it’s easier to live in those great players’ shadows because the Lakers OWN that city. The Bulls are maybe the 3rd or 4th most popular team in Chicago. So to become a Chicago legend in basketball you have to overcome Michael and the fact that this is a football and baseball city.
Kobe’s kind of a different story because he wants to be MJ so bad that he’s the only one out of that group who would consider coming here. But that’s never happening. If the Bulls were willing to shell out the dough and played in a warm weather city (they already give the guy a good chance to win) THEN we could have some realistic hopes of grabbing a superstar free agent or two. But those players look for a team to have at least 3 of those 4 things (money, warm weather, chance at winning, chance to be a legend) and the Bulls only have one of them — a chance at winning.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Instead of trading #6 for #8 and taking Henderson
We could just keep it and get Harden or Evans.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
It's not just about feeding Al Jefferson
It’s also about playing defense and stopping or limiting what the Western Conference point guards can do to your defense.
Sessions can pass. He’s not going to stop dribble penetration.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
neither is Hinrich
at least not on really quick point guards.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Aftermath = teams want to stay under the cap = difficulty for Ben Gordon
The Bucks and Washington did salary dumps to stay under the cap. The Bucks could not afford Jefferson, Villaneuva and Sessions and remain under the cap. Washington could not afford to pay the #5 pick and keep their team intact. Saving money and being under the cap appears to be the driving force behind the trades.
If this continues, which is a big if and all it takes is one team to pay Ben, but these trades may be an omen of a challenging time ahead for Ben Gordon.
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