Wolves acquire 5th pick from Wiz
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Now that T-Wolves have fifth pick, they may have less need for Hinrich, or they might be looking to make a big move since they have multiple picks.
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good trade for minny. Now we will see who they pick
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 23, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
i feel like the wizards pick was our best chance to get rid of hinrich for a high pick. Makes sense now they can take a true point and a big athletic guard which there seem to be a few of in the top 10. Who are they rumored to be interested in now?
they have 4 picks
5, 6, 18, 28. I think they might trade up to get Rubio, which would be a good move.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 23, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell the new GM
He doesn’t have to make up for years without a first round pick by having 4 in a crappy draft. Rubio doesn’t seem like a can’t miss pick to me. Im sorry, but I think Washington has the upper hand.
i have a pretty low opinion of randy foye
if Harden, Rubio or Curry are on the board, I think they are all better than Foye for Minnesota.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
There seems to be a big drop off at the top of this draft
If Griffin, Harden, and Rubio are off the board, I wouldn’t feel really great holding the 5th or 6th pick.
Curry and Evans would be hilarious!!!
But trying to trade up w/ the 5th and 18th to 2nd? Would the Grizzlies do that?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Minnesota's Bigs & the Spanish PG
If Rubio is the target, Minnesota is going to have an odd mix of slow big guys and a point gaurd that wants to run and play in transition. Jefferson, Love, Etan Thomas, & Darius Songalia.
Enter Trade Tyrus for Love!
For those times when Tyrus decides he'll run the floor and isn't trailing Songalia.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
They need a wing now
Sure Harden isn’t the target? They may just keep their picks and hope Harden falls…
Wizards are going to be real good.
I see miller as the glue and Foye will be great when Arenas misses games with injury. Under Saunders, this team is gonna roll.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 23, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions
If healthy, it does look like a pretty stacked team
1- Arenas, Foye
2- Miller, Young, Stevenson
3- Butler
4- Jamison, Blatch
5- Haywood, Jordan
Interesting… but a big If
I don't know...
They either need to run like the Suns used to (without a single real PG on the roster) or convince some of these guys to play D. I doubt either will happen.
Last time Arenas was healthy
they ran at a pretty fast pace and had a pretty high offensive efficiency. I could see it happening again.
That was under Eddie Jordan so it could be different as well
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Flip's done well at matching pace to his team in the past
If they keep this team as is, they’ll need to run just to get everyone enough shots
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
that seems
like a lot of guards. I wonder if this is the precursor for another trade for a big man
Let's take a look at Minny.
1- Telfair
2- Brewer
3- Gomes, Brewer
4- Love, Madsen, Thomas, Songaila, Smith, Cardinal
5- Jefferson, Pecherov
WTF
Another deal is coming for Minny. Book it.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 23, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Curry and Evans. Curry and Evans. Curry and Evans.
I’m praying for this to happen.
Curry
Evans
Gomes
Love
Jefforson
hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahah
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
What is so funny about this? I feel like I'm missing something.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be the worst back court in the NBA for the next 3-4 years.
They might both eventually be good, but I think they each have a lot of work to do to be even average guards.
I think Curry’s efficiency is going to take a huge hit (obviously I might be wrong) until he figures out all of the nuances and tricks to the pro game. I see his ceiling as a lesser-ballhandling, lesser-passing Steve Nash, but not for awhile. He does a great job getting his shot off in college, and I think he will eventually in the NBA. I just think it’s one of those “learned” aspects.
And Evans, I just have no clue. He’s almost like the opposite of Curry. Great size, great athleticism. Can’t shoot. Can’t dribble.
I think they both have good potential. But I think both of their floors are pretty low, too. And I think it will take a lot of time for both to come up. I could be wrong, though. Certainly.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Evans can dribble just fine, but he's not really anything special athletically
But yeah, that would be a hilarious backcourt.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Two SGs in the same backcourt, both rookies?
Plus, two PFs and no center? SIGN ME UP!!!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Reminds me of those old Bulls teams...
Two Centers in the same front court, both rookies…no PG.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Maybe
That Kirk in Minny talk will come back for #5….it’s not like GMs always tell it like it is….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
I do doubt this though....
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
i was thinking the same thing
maybe they go ahead and give us #6 for Kirk and Cardinal, take who they want at #5 (I’ve been reading they like Evans) and then they won’t have a double rookie backcourt. Kirk and Evans would be real good defensively and they both can play on or off the ball. Don’t know…maybe we’re so in love with Henderson (as a salmons replacement for next year or this trade deadline) that we do this? And maybe then trade #16 + #26 to the nets for #11 and take Blair? I think that’d be pretty good. That’s turning Kirk and the picks into future cap space, Henderson and Blair.
Maybe for the sixth pick
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Yeah
Sorry I mistyped….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
5th and 6th picks to Memphis for the 2nd pick?
Draft Rubio, win 35 games, promptly pray to the rain gods for #1 pick in 2010.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Chad Ford says that Minny is against packaging 5 and 6 for 2.
More likely they’ll offer 5 and one of the picks in the teens. If that’s not good enough, word is they’ll just use 5 and 6.
The Twolves are the new Clippers
If at first you don’t succeed, just get younger and less experienced.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They are just looking to rebuild are Al Jeff...
…and the new GM is looking to make his mark on the team.
Remember they were KG’s team two years ago right now.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing can compare to the LA Clippers
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090624&sportCat=nba
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean seriously,
“I think this is probably the best draft any team has ever come up with in history. We were able to get three All-Americans. It’s like getting six players because they all play two positions.”
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The only way I would support aquiring more draft picks
is if we plan on packaging them in a trade for an established player. The last thing we need to do is get younger. Minny obviously needs guards now and have had their eyes on Hinie for a while (the combo of Minny and Hinie was too tempting to resist — sorry); what if they give us #6, Thomas and Smith for Hinrich and maybe #26 (not sure that’s necessary).
We could then package that pick with our 16 and a Deng/Tyrus/Jerome James combo in a deal with Phoenix for Stoudamire and Barbosa. This gives Phoenix another lottery pick and one just outside the lotto (cheap players, they’re going into rebuilding mode if they’re trading Stat anyways) and a couple young building blocks. Add to that the insurance-covered expiring contract of Jerome James and now Sarver’s on board.
The benefit for the Bulls is obvious — young all-star in the post and a speedy guard to run with D-Rose and shoot the three. The only thing is we either need to go into the luxury tax to resign BG or keep one of our picks to draft a SG.
Line-up:
PG: Rose, Roberson/Nelson
SG: Gordon(?), Barbosa, #26(?)
SF: Salmons, TiT
PF: Stoudamire, TiT
C: Noah, Miller
I think that team wins 50-55 games and scores about 125 ppg. It will be exciting as hell for this year and with Miller and possibly Salmons (and Tim Thomas?) coming off the books after the season we have tons of flexibility for 2010.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 23, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
We're not getting
Stoudemire AND Barbosa for what you have there though. Both of those 2 can really play, hell Barbosa’s value probably isn’t all that far off (it’s lower, but not that materially at least hopefully until midseason when Deng recovers and remembers how to play his game consistently) of 2 year injured Deng…..
I mean maybe for SHAQ we could get Barbosa as a throw in…but we’d have to add more for the trade you presented….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
But think about it
They’re going to lose Stoudamire next summer anyways and they just got rejected when they tried to get Caron Butler for him. They might have to sweetent the deal if they want to get any value for him. You say a 2 year injured Deng doesn’t have a lot of value (although last time I checked he was only injured for the last half of last season) but Stoudamire is a PF with two MAJOR leg injuries (microfracture and ACL) and serious eye issues — I think the injury argument balances out.
I think Deng and Tyrus are both very serviceable players that still have at least some all-star potential left in them. You don’t think Phoenix would want:
Luol Deng
Tyrus Thomas
Jerome James
- pick (remember this trade was predicated on the Hinrich to Minny trade)
- pick
For Stoudamire and Barbosa? That’s FOUR potentially very effective players for two — I think that might be the best that Phoenix could hope for.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I have no idea why it did that but it was supposed to be:
Luol Deng
Tyrus Thomas
Jerome James
6th pick
16th pick
Very strange how it changed to “1. pick” and “2. pick”…. never seen that before…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 24, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If you look at what was discussed during the trade deadline
it was a trade surrounding Tryus. I think it starts there again. The deal seemed close to a done deal until the Suns decided to make one more run.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Do we know though
What that trade was supposed to be? I heard rumors of Butler and Jamison and #5 for Stoudemire….
That’s a lot higher of an asking price…
I agree on the monies, etc and really do think in terms of real talent it’s a bit more fair (esp in terms of cap savings, etc), but I don’t know if the Phx faithful will agree. Stoudemire is a real superstar….it’s hard to part with that when not getting a superstar in return.
If this was perceived as a higher draft, that looks great (should we find a way to get that 6th pick whcih isn’t yet in the works)….but yeah it’s hard.
I do think very highly of Tyrus still….any manyof us Bulls fans do, but few would equate a #6-Deng-Tyrus nationally as fair for Stoudemire…..and adding Barbosa to that further distances it….
Sounds great though in paper and I’d be screaming tears of joy if it happened.
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
Jamison?
I had not heard his name in the rumors. Do you recall where you heard this?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 24, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It definitely wasn't Butler, Jamison AND 5
It was Jamison/5 or Butler.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
OT cuz i didnt want to make a fanshot for a quick question
What do you guys think of Sam Young, i was taking a look at his draft profile on draftexpress ( http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sam-Young-1012/ ) and he seems like a nice draft pick. He can post up which is a good thing for a guard and is a decent shooter according to the profile. Defensively he seems to be a strong perimeter defender and it sounds like that is his forte.
Playing with rose he could be a nice player who could play some sg (cuz his quickness measures similarly to henderson, actually, young seems faster…) and play sf. He could be a good replacement for salmons me thinks… He could be available at the 16th too….
Again i dont watch college basketball really, so i know little to nothing about him so i was wondering if someone had some more info or thoughts about this….
thanx for your help though
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
eh to further my argument i did some searching and...
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/slamonline-mock-draft-no-16/
And sorry matt…i think i shouldve made this a fanshot….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I don't see Minnesota trading Mike MIller, Randy Foye and taking on Etan's salary for Kirk Hinrich.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
plus their GM said last week
that they have no interest in Kirk Hinrich
meh, other than Gar Paxdorf, GM's say a lot of things.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
GAR PAXDORF SMASH!!!
(SNIFF) GAR PAXDORF JUST WANT TO BE LOVED!!!
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-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
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