Chad Ford: Thunder, Pistons Interested in Gordon
If [Gordon] can find a team willing to give him the money he wants ... he 's gone. I've heard OKC has interest. And the Pistons do too if they can find a way to pay him and a big man like Boozer.
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Hmm
I don’t see how Ben works on the pistons unless they trade Rip Hamilton. Of course, Ben could always come off the bench, hahaha.
Gordon only works on the Thunder if they don’t draft Rubio. If they draft Ricky that moves Westbrook to the 2 guard, once again leaving Gordon on the bench.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 2, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think OKC would be smart to draft Thabeet and get Gordon.
They’ll likely still suck next year, and if they’re super lucky, they could pick up Cole Aldrich, and well… just be the best damn team in the West from 2013 on.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 2, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will they still suck?
I can see durant playing the 4 ala rashard lewis, but more athletic and willing to take it to the hole. Thabo plays the 3, where his defense on athletic wings will be more important than his offense, westbrook and gordon as your guards give you huge offensive versatility. Draft thabeet and you have an incredible offensive team. Defensively they may have some problems but they will make alot of noise and probably can sneak into the playoffs. They wouldnt be a huge threat or anything, but they wouldnt suck. THey would be more like like denver was two years ago i suppose…..
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by piccolomair on Jun 2, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOOO....
Where does Jeff Green go with Durant at 4 and Thabo at 3
by D-rose on Jun 2, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it would be
PG Westbrook
SG Gordon
SF Durant
PF Green
C Thabeet
Thabo sucks. And that team’s isolation offense would make the 08-09 Bulls look like the Harlem Globetrotters.
by YaoPau on Jun 2, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
durant and gordon on the same lineup
who cares about defense?
by CJOliveira on Jun 3, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasheem Thabeet. Russell Westbrook.
Two players projected to be GREAT defenders.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think the Thunder would be thrilled to get to the playoffs. It would be great for them. Sure, that team would have flaws, but I think what happened with the Celtics has everyone thinking they can get a star and be on the path to the championship. That is Boston though and it won’t be happening to a small market. For the Thunder the smart thing right now could be to turn into a winning team. If Gordon is available then why not go for him? If it isn’t in their long term plans they could trade him after three years so so when his contract is down to a movable amount their key guys would still be young enough to do something with.
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by cranscape on Jun 2, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green is better than Thabo.
Play your best players. Suck? I have no idea.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta be honest
I know nothing about jeff green, and perhaps i think they are high on thabo starting because of simonswiss always commenting on how well he is doing in okc..but it probably doesnt matter at any rate, offensively they are still a threat in 3 positions, and with thabeet they can only get better offensively….
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by piccolomair on Jun 3, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green's not any good.
Neither is Thabo and Green is younger. And playing Thabo w/ Gordon moves Durant. I don’t like moving supterstar franchise players, so I say play Green over Thabo.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Jeff Green a #5 overall pick....
And traded for Ray Allen back when Seattle had a franchise? It’s rhetorical…
Green is still a very young player in the NBA, I would say it is too early to make decisions on him…
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 3, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, hence my "younger" statement, too.
He’s not that good right now, but he’s better than Thabo. And he’s younger, which should imply that he still has room to get better. I’m sorry I didn’t make that explicit. I thought bringing “youth” into the comment would suggest that potential to improve is there.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Not any good?"
Really?
In his second year as a pro (age 22), he put up 16/7/2, shooting 45% from the field and 39% from three. How does this make him “not any good”? I think that’s a gross overstatement. He’s a very solid player who happens to be playing a position he shouldn’t be since their franchise player is a SF.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 3, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay per game states!!! He's not any good. That doesn't mean he's horrible.
He had a 53% TS% and a 10% TRB% from a PF. I don’t care if he’s better as a SF (he was atrocious as a rookie at SF so I don’t know where you get that idea), because he’s not moving there anytime soon. He might be young, and he might one day be good, but he’s not now.
He’s not quite an average basketball player. How does that make him “good?”
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And his defense was terrible at both spots when I saw him play.
It’s easy to put up stats on teams in garbage time….which was the bulk of when he played well…..
It’s also nice when Durant is getting double and triple teamed at will….
4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.
by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green's not any good?
He’s got a shooting flaw, yes but he’s improving and overall he’s got a great skill set. He’s a really good passer, he can operate on the block against most 3’s, and he’s a very smart player and decent defender. Unfortunately the system that they use don’t really use his strengths. And he’s used a lot at the 4, when he’s better suited to play the 3 and that’s somewhat affected his adjustment to the NBA.
by kingj41 on Jun 3, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Jeff Green is not very good…..he’s got a bit good, but he’s screaming “I’m a bust at 5 for Ray Allen”…
I agree with Tyger there…
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by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it reads like a guy
who’s a poor man’s Luol Deng. And we know how much everyone likes the regular Luol Deng.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor man's Deng?
Hell, he just finished a season that would rank second best in Deng’s 5 year career and there is no reason to think he’ll be any worse next season. Green will be fine. A solid player. Not a superstar, but very solid.
Difference is that depsite being picked at #5, Green has never been billed as a potentially great player. Green was a reach for Seattle at 5, but again he’ll end up a solid contributer. He’ll never get offered $72M (well, at least he shouldn’t ever be offered that much for 6 yrs but you never know) and he’s got the benefit of playing next to a legitimate superstar in the making in Durant.
One thing is for sure. I bet his trade value is at least as high as Deng’s right now.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might still end up being "good", but I wouldn't let anything about him keep me from upgrading PF.
But I think he’s better than Thabo, so that means he’s not horrible.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotcha
I just think that his situation is stunting his growth somewhat also. He shouldn’t be playing PF. Seattle/OKC thought they could get away with it, but it hurts them so much on the glass and therefore defensively. I’d agree they should upgrade at the 4 if they could and have Green come off the bench. I think he’d be better if he could simply play the 3 and spot minutes at the 4. I guess I was just disappointed in your choice of words.
by kingj41 on Jun 3, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he's
playing out of position doesn’t mean you should rail on him as “not any good” when he’s still putting up solid numbers.
Thabo = “not any good.” Green is better than that, so I don’t know what you want to call him. He’s good. Not very good or even great, though.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 3, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not good.
You can’t say someone is out of position (especially when he has no chance to switch positions and he was actually atrocious at the position he “should” be playing the year before) and that’s why he isn’t playing that well, and then say he’s been good. That doesn’t make sense. You can make excuses for him, but that doesn’t change that he hasn’t been good yet. (yes, I think someone “good” should be better than average)
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green is AT LEAST as productive as Luol Deng...and he's 22 yrs old.
The only concern I have about Green is that I don’t think he’s a natural PF in the NBA. I think he’s a full time 3 in the future (swinging to the 4 from time to time) but seeing as though Durant is the 3 of the present and of the future (potentially a top 5 player in the NBA in 3 yrs), Green will be moved as soon as OKC gets a deal involving a true high value PF offered to them…or they’ll keep him and bring him off the bench seeing as though he seems to be a pretty good team guy wiling to do whatever to win.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green will be 23 when next season starts. Luol Deng will be (holy fuck!!!) 24 when the season starts.
Sheeeeet.
Jeff Green isn’t any good on defense. You’d think someone who rants and raves about THE GOD DAMN DOG would care about defense.
Green has potential, but he’s not Luol Deng yet.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize Thabeet's not that great on offense, right?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 3, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what ive read
i see thabeet as an injury-less Zydrunas Illgalquas (sp?) If thats the case then id say his defense is strictly height and his game really is more on the offensive end (getting tips, hitting 15 footers, second chance points, a dunk here and there) I also realize thabeet is a huge project, but i think coming into the nba the only place he will contribute is on offense…i didnt at all mean to make him sound like a huge threat on offense, at least not yet. Also i dont really watch college basketball, and im going by what i read on draft express and nbadraft.net so i could be completely wrong about everything im saying… what else is new :)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 3, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you think the only place he'll contribute is on OFFENSE?!?!?!
Thabeet’s known for his size and defensive prowess. I’m guessing you didn’t watch him much. He’s a massive project on the offensive end, especially.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 3, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oklahoma drats Thabeet
so they can sell posters to other teams?
All the money helps in an economic recession
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-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's if he's still on the board.
If he is then that would be a solid move to make. Having Gordon, Thabeet, Durant, Westbrook, Kirstic and Green would be a nice young team for the next 5 years.
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by J Theory on Jun 3, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't believe you visit da bullz.com
and I can’t believe he blogged scooped you… which is really a scoop at all.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 2, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn this sucks
it feels like I just found out that my neighbor has been stealing my gas
Derrick Rose once pissed in a soda can …we now call that Red Bull.
by Belize on Jun 2, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least Reinsdorf will have won the negotiations!
I hope he enjoys missing out on the several million dollars in revenue that each playoff home game generates.
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by Big D on Jun 2, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Gordon ends up in OKC where there is a LEGITIMATE SF threat and...
…there isn’t the same urgency to send all the defensive pressure at Gordon that you see now, then this guy will shoot 45% from three point range next year and be one hell of a player in that Western Conference…and the Bulls will certainly miss him.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 2, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is
this is Dumars trying to drive up the price for the Bulls. With Stuckey and Hamilton, I don’t see why he’d want to shell out big bucks for BG when clearly they’re targeting a big like Boozer first and foremost. Plus, BG wouldn’t really make their team all that much better in my opinion, at least for the money they’d have to pay him. It’s not like Hamilton is ancient yet.
OKC, though, seems to be the biggest threat. Westbrook and, especially, Durant are such high usage offensive players, though, that I’m not sure how well I see Gordon fitting in with them. Three perimeter players chucking up tons of shots every game? Then again, the Bulls did do this with Rose, Gordon, and Salmons last year, so I guess it could work. Hopefully OKC drafts Rubio so this could possibly become a moot point.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 2, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was my thought as well. Dumars is just trying to drive up Gordon's asking price for the Bulls.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 2, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked for noch
:(
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by piccolomair on Jun 2, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least if it works for Gordon
we’re getting a good player who won’t be declining any time in the near future, barring injury of course.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 2, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly a shrewd move on his part.
But it’s a no-brainer for any rival GM with cap space, so I can’t give him too much credit.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Jun 2, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
If the Boozer deal will be a sign and trade so Boozer can get his 6 years and they’ll deal Rip the the Jazz…..
That’s a great deal for the Jazz since they can have AK47 and Millsap fill in quite nicely,a nd Rip next to DWill is scary….very scary.
4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.
by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be the best move for both teams
as the Pistons will then be able to sign Gordon.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought
tHOUGH I didn’t finish that point…
4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.
by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben will remain a Bull
Deng, Ty Thomas, Tim Thomas and the 16th pick will be traded to the Raps for Bosh and Kapono. Kirk will be dealt to Portland for Outlaw and Blake. Pick #26 will be Tyler and Asik will come from oversees to be our back up Center next season.
Next Season lineup:
PG Rose / Blake / Gordon
SG Salmons / Gordon
SF Outlaw / Salmons
PF Bosh / Hansbrough / Noah
C Noah / Miller / Hansbrough
Well thats what I hope at least. Miller’s expiring contract will allow us flexability as well as whatever happens to Jame’s contract. Outlaw would replace Deng and Blake would be a solid backup and is also a expiring contract. But, like I said I am not the GM.
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by illwill on Jun 2, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What happens to Kapono?
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by cranscape on Jun 2, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dies
4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.
by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets to work on his tan?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 3, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep him for a three point specialist to help get back into games?
I love these ideas, thats a pretty long athletic team. Kinda wish Tyrus could stick around but that would be a pretty balanced team you’d have to imagine.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 2, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad basketball is not like football...
…or the American League.
You can’t just hide one dimensional players on the defensive end…
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 3, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is not better than Gordon.
Start Gordon, let Outlaw come off the bench. Gordon plays 35 mpg at SG, Salmons 13 at SG, 22 at SF, Outlaw plays 26 at SF.
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree Bosh would be the only real change.
Outlaw, Blake, Kapono, Hansbrough that would solid bench depth.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 3, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'd think gordon and salmons would start, not outlaw
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jun 3, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the past two years, the majority of his minutes were at PF
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 3, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that's why the Blazers defense is so bad. Outlaw is not a PF.
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a shitty defender at any position
But can not be guarded by 4s.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 5, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happened I couldn't see Vinny playing that lineup
the starters would be:
PG Rose
SG Gordon
SF Salmons
PF Bosh
C Noah
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 3, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think for one second that Tyler Hansbrough can play backup center in the NBA?
I like Tyler’s motor and all, but he’s not NBA Center material in the least. If something like this were to happen then I like Bosh playing 35-38 mpg and Hansbrough getting the rest of those minutes at the 4 and ZERO minutes at the 5.
Also, no way Gordon doesn’t start if this is the team the Bulls field. Gordon starts at the 2 and Outlaw comes off the bench behind Salmons at the 3. However, this still leaves the Bulls with a serious lack of size in the backcourt. They’ve gotta find a big backcourt guy somewhere who can handle the ball, facilitate to an extent and in be capable of providing solid minutes so that the Bulls aren’t always at a defensive disadvantage. How bout a guy like Anthony Parker coming home and playing for the MLE being somewhere in the rotation for the next 2 seasons or so?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pistons idea could work...
Better watch Dumars carefully. He built that strong Pistons team with basically no superstars and he can do it again. I remember when most teams did not want Billups and he went from team to team looking for a home. Billups turned out to be an allstar after all that time. He came over to the Pistons in his 5th or 6th year and then hit his prime. BG could do the same thing and maybe Dumars can see it in him. One thing we know is that BG wants to win. The reason why they are looking at Gordon so much is because they are missing that 3 point shooter who can create his own shot. That is not Rip’s game. He usually comes off screens like R. Allen and shoots. With Gordon, they will have a back court like what the Bulls had with Gordon and Rose this year except Stuckey is 6’5 . I bet they will try to get Stuckey to defend SG and BG will defend PG on defense. Chances are he will trade Rip and some pieces and make a run for Bosh of free up more money for Boozer. If the Pistons can add two of the three (BG and Boshor Boozer), they’ll be a dramatically different and – almost surely – better team next fall. The Bulls will be in trouble.
by Beeman18 on Jun 3, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That ideia is realy scary
Gar Paxdorf need to make trades, and fast. We are one step from being a contender next year. If they let Bosh go to other team, Miami or Detroit, especially, we can say bye bye to that dream…
by bull83 on Jun 3, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but he built that team with reasonable conracts
the only big contract when he was trading for players was Rasheeds.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jun 3, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the main players made close to the same money.
It wasn’t until Ben Wallace split that any of the core Pistons was truly overpaid…and it wasn’t the Pistons that paid him. Good on Dumars, bad on Reinsdorf…but we did take a valuable piece away from a Division rival. Think Dumars is wanting to return the favor?
Rasheed only made about $13-$14M/yr and Chauncey, Rip and Prince all made around the $10M/yr range. And before he got to Detroit, Hamilton had about as productive a career as Gordon has had to this point and Billups had NOWHERE near as productive a career as Gordon to this point. But apparently Joe D saw something in Billups that others didn’t. Maybe Joe D sees something in Gordon that Reinsdorf doesn’t.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"a productive basketball player"
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I kinda worry about this happening too.
This seeming eagerness to part with Gordon could end up biting the Bulls in the butt. If this guy goes to Detroit and blossoms it will be like a punch in the gut to all Bulls fans. But it’s well within the realm of possibility.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
by gobulls1124 on Jun 3, 2009 2:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cya!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I would expect the Pistons to be interested in BG.
I can’t imagine that either he or Boozer would be their first choice, since they will not have a center on their roster outside of Kwame Brown. I could see Detroit making a move for Tyson Chandler since they can absorb much his salary…their backcourt seems to be set with Stuckey, Rip, Bynum and Afflalo. Their front court is a trainwreck though, with Brown, Johnson and Maxiell as their only players…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pistons have a lot of holes
They need PF, C, and a PG…
If they get 2 premier scorers it definitely doesn’t hurt.
4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.
by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though Stuckey was PG of the future...
Hence the trade of Billups.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they may be reconsidering
after Stuckey’s second half of the season. But yeah, that was part of the justification, that and just figuring that team as a whole was done and Billups was still tradeable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they think they can play Gordon at point guard.
If they plan to continue their walk it up offense then they could actually get away with him and Rip playing together. And Stuckey is big enough to defend SGs if he plays with Gordon.
by Scotter on Jun 3, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They thought (hoped) so too
But Stuckey’s a shoot first kind of point, more a 2.
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by majoyenrac on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
likely would have to trade Prince for frontcourt help
assuming they couldn’t deal Hamilton with that extension they gave him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if BG factors in "quality of life" at all...
with this being the prime of his life, one hopes he’ll want to live in Chicago over the sad, sad cities of Detroit or Oklahoma City. I mean, it’s not like we’re talking NYC or LA here as suitors…
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's actually a choice of Auburn Hills or Deerfield.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see him out and about in Chicago way too much to say Deerfield...
and they play downtown, unlike your other point that he would never actually have to go to what’s left of Detroit.
I’m just saying, if we’re talking a few million dollars here, he chooses Chicago over any of those two busted towns.
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
In Detroit they play in Auburn Hills…and Gordon currently lives in a gated community in Northbrook…near sunset ridge country club.
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 3, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know...
that they play in AH. YFBB said that, and I agreed, although my sentence was a little hard to follow.
My point was that although BG lives in the burbs he hangs out downtown all the time. (I’m sure he’ll get a condo downtown like all the players who get paid do, once he does get paid.) Because Chicago has a vibrant downtown, one of the best. It’s what attracts people like me to move to chicago after college in the warm south.
And my other point was that there’s no downtown left in Detroit to hang out in. Unless you like the feel of this.
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of quality of life, the brothers ain't got no problems with the "D".
When you are young, black and a millionaire, then Detroit works just fine for you. GM going bankrupt has no effect on the lifestyle of these guys. There is still more than enough for these guys to involve themselves in up that way. Detroit is bad for a guy looking to make a living. But if you play ball, then life is good. Trust and believe that!! That’s why none of them are in a hurry to leave. I don’t have any OKC experience so I can’t speak on that situation.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 3, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they do, the problem is there's nothing left in the "D"
restaurants, shopping, clubs, things to do in the summer (festivals, street parties, etc)… no comparison to Chicago man. None.
And don’t believe that Detroit’s economy won’t affect attendance and thus in turn affect salaries and marketing for a player.
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit was still 1st in league attendance, not everyone works for the auto industry
Unless Gordon has some insane attachment to Charlie Trotters, whatever he does in Chicago he can do in any other city, and if he gets paid more, it’s worth it.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
zing!
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by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7th in the league, also 6th in road attendance
That’s pretty good for an area that is supposedly devastated by the economy.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, ever hear of GM? What happened to them this week?
More shit is hitting the fan. And besides, last year’s season ticket holders had paid for season tix before last summer. We’ll come back to this post at the end of next year…
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Government Motors"!
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those numbers are inflated, too, because they were practically giving the tickets away (for like $5).
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 4, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and in terms of quality of like, do brothers got a problem with this?:
Cause I’ve unfortunately been through Oklahoma, and man is it alot like the clip above.
by smash! on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering how much Gordon will make
He can probably do whatever he does in Chicago in any large metropolitan area. Maybe him and Durant can buy a cattle ranch together, or he can buy a casino in Detroit.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"seriously, if I never hear another "Ben Gordon to Detroit!" rumor it’ll be too soon."
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, ok, nobody has mentioned the really obvious thing about Detroit
Everyone talks about how they have Rip, but Rip just turned 31 in February. Gordon just turned 26 in April. Who would you rather have for the long haul?
Plus, one might figure they could trade Rip for something useful.
by Sports2 on Jun 7, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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