The Bulls seem to be the latest team trying to move up in the draft. They've talked to several teams in front of them in the draft with an offer of the No. 16 and No. 26 picks in the draft. It sounds as if the Nets have been their target and it might make sense for the Nets to jump on the deal.
They could still get a player like Tyler Hansbrough at 16 and pick up another player late in the first.
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hmmm
if not to take Hansbrough, then who? Blair?
by JSlakov on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Henderson?
I would guess it’d have to be to guarantee themselves to get one of those two, yeah?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
this is from Chad Ford on ESPN Draft Buzz. Not sure why the link didn’t go up…
by JSlakov on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We already have a freakish athlete who can't shoot well
by Option27 on Jun 18, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT had his time
id like to see what this kid can do..from the outside..JR Smith w/o th attitude?
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 18, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR Smith can shoot the lights out. DeRozen can't shoot at all.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was jr always a shooter?
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was crap as a rookie (28.8% for three), but immediately got better his sophomore year.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefullt that can apply to this kid
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
J.R. Smith was expected to be a great NBA 3-point shooter when he was drafted.
The question was whether he could do anything, but dunk and shoot the 3. That’s completely different than DeRozen.
by Scotter on Jun 19, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliger's draft rater projection
on DeRozen has me terrified of him…and I didn’t even like him before I read that.
by M 80 on Jun 19, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
damn…remember when draftin a 6’6’ prospect with hops and no shots were cool? (cough * kobe)
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or, ahem, hmmmm, (cough), splppppt...
gerald green.
by TheMoon on Jun 19, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or....Mikael Pietrus?
Larry Hughes? D-Wade (not 6’6 but you get the idea).
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Pietrus on this team in a second. Love that guy.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
I’m a big Pietrus fan. He’s what I was hoping Thabo would be when we drafted him. Unfortunately….
Actually, I still think Thabo’s got a chance to have a Pietrus-like impact for a team if he’s in the right situation. He kind of seems like a Larry Brown type of guy to me.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 19, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't shoot
For the life of him though. Pietrus can at least hit the 3 ball fairly regularly….can’t shoot inside the arc well….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jun 19, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fits the bill of guy who can knock down the 3, defend, and finish at the rim
I like him too, just pointing out the athletic swingmen are still in vogue, just not ones that suck.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. The Bulls might be smart to try to see if they can pry Kelenna Azabuike from GS.
He fits the bill rather well, too. He defends pretty well (for a Warrior), shoots around 40% from 3, and can finish.
I think he’d be a pretty great fit next to Rose, and he’s on a super cheap deal. I don’t know what it would take to get him or if there are salaries to match, but I like Kelenna a lot.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Why don't we add Morrow to that deal too
For a nice off the bench 3 point shooter….
Say Kirk for Azubuike, Morrow and swap #16 for #7 and whatever other salary concerns….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jun 19, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem is matching the salary, they don't have a lot of deals,
besides players that I wouldn’t want to take back (like Crawford, Magette) or that they wouldn’t want to give up (Biedrins), that work in a deal for Hinrich.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u sir
need a beer!
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 20, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
this seems like we’re moving up to take a shot at Henderson or Blair. I still think one of them will be around at 16 though so this might be kind of dumb. If neither of them are there at 16 that just means that either Earl Clark or James Johnson will be. I really want to like Johnson, but for some reason he scares me. Clark too kind of… but man, both Clark and Johnson have all star potential to me; it’s just that their floors are soooo looooow…..
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good thing.
Regardless of who they are targeting, this team does not need two lower first round rookies on the roster…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree
because the chances to get a useful player increase with 2 (or more!) picks. can’t you just see them targeting hansbrough, who merits a shrug and a yawn as #16 (imo).
good orgs don’t give stuff up, like jr smith or thabo (#26). this team has, the suns did. portland can just let their mediocre guys go, when the time comes. drose is just 20!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 19, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
the puts gave up Scola, and they’re a pretty good org
by JSlakov on Jun 19, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And after 3 seasons of starting Fabricio Oberto and Matt Bonner
Methinks they regret giving him away.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chances...
of a useful player increase with a better player. Getting two picks doesn’t mean much if you’re picking from the leftovers. 82games had an interesting article that evaluated the relative value of draft picks and not surprisingly the higher the pick, the better his career usually was.
There are outliers like Arenas, Manu, Parker, etc but those are few and far between.
The way I see it, there’s so few players on a team and on the floor at any one point that one guy is THAT important. If this were the NFL and you needed to fill a roster of 65 then keep the picks.
by CubFan81 on Jun 19, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong...
Take a llok at the chart here http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm. Here is what you should notice. Let’s look at the 11th, 16th, and 24th picks (the two the Bulls have and the pick they are looking to trade up for).
At the 11th pick, there is a 15% chance at a star, 15% of a solid player, 30% of a role player, and 40% that the pick will be a deep bench player or worse.
At the 16th pick, there is a 5% chance at a star, 25% of a solid player, 30% of a role player, and 40% that the pick will be a deep bench player or worse.
At the 24th pick, there is a 15% chance at a star, 25% of a solid player, 20% of a role player, and 40% that the pick will be a deep bench player or worse.
Here is what you should notice. First off, it seems that the chance at a star is equally good at the 24th and the 11th. Is this really so? Well, this is more an indication that anywhere after the top 8 to 10 picks, getting a star is pretty much dumb luck. However, the big thing to notice is that there is a 40% chance in all three cases that the player is a deep bench or worse player. So, no matter where we pick, we have a 60% chance of getting someone serviceable at each pick. If we trade up for the 11th, we have a 60% chance of getting someone serviceable. Doing the math, that’s an 84% chance we get a serviceable player, and a 36% chance that we get two serviceable players if we keep both our picks. I’ll take an 84% chance of getting at least one serviceable player versus a no better chance of getting a star in a weak looking draft.
by DRose01 on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small correction, the Bulls have the 26th, not 24th I believe.
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
My bad, but point is still valid. unles we can trade into top 5, oor at bare minimum 6-8 range, trading up is not mathematically woth while.
by DRose01 on Jun 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the bottom line...
and this team is young enough and does not need two more rookies needing minutes to develop as NBA players…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 19, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair would be perfect for us.....
He is motivated. He has something to prove. That motivation will be directed first at Tyrus Thomas as I think Blair will make him work to keep his starting spot. I think Blair with his size will overtake Tyrus if he is not careful.
Tyrus wants to be a SF then let him back up Deng and Blair (if Blair earns the start). Tyrus could bring defense and energy off of the bench and even some scoring. Tyrus, Blair and Deng would make a good forward rotation as Tyrus can play either position. Tyrus could also slide over to the three when Blair comes off of the bench.
I think Tyrus could be a matchup problem for some SF.
If we get Blair and let Gordon then Rose, Hinrich and Salmons can make a good guard rotation with Hinrich coming off of the bench to play either PG or SG. Rose could slide over to SG when Hinirch is in. It seems like the Bulls want to utilize Derrick Rose scoring ability more next season.
Bulls starting 5
Rose/Hinrich
Salmons/Hinrich
Deng/Thomas
Thomas/Blair/Miller
Noah/Miller/Blair
That is a good young eight man rotation. If Ben Stays then he can be substituted for Hinrich as I believe that one of them will be gone by the time the season starts.
That lineup to me will draw a star in 2010. Wade would go well with that lineup and probably replace Salmons if he opt out.
Then the 2010 line up will be
Rose
Wade
Deng
Blair
Noah
That starting five can compete with any team in the eastern conference.
by Bart71 on Jun 18, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Blair too
hope they’re not targeting someone crappy. Odds are that they are, since much of the draft is crappy.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 19, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what can we do to get the #1?
16 26 Tyrus + ?
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 1:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You value too much into Tyrus
… and Griffin
by Option27 on Jun 19, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh didn't you know? We have the #1 pick and a new coach to boot!
So said the first paragraph of the letter I received in the mail from the Chicago Bulls yesterday with my season ticket upgrade info. Awesome.
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
apparently the entire organization shares VDNs level of intelligence. Actually, that was kinda low — I’m pretty sure Vinny’s a smart guy, he just looked like a deer in the headlights last year.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why moving to 11 makes sense.
I do think that the Bulls are going to draft 2 players in this years first round. If picks 16+26 are used to grab #11. It makes perfect sense to me. My first thought is the Bulls draft Henderson at 11 because they really think BG is gone. Picks later in the draft can be bought, so the player targeted at 26 can be attained via buying a draft pick. Also, the Bulls could trade a player for pieces and a pick later in the draft. Example: trade Kirk for Blake & Outlaw + 24.
Or the Bulls can target Blair in hopes of resigning BG.
There are option later in the draft, so get the player that the Bulls want early and go from there. I would love to see the Bulls jump back into the late teens to get Hansbrough. He might not be available there, but I highly doubt that Hansbrough falls past Utah at 20. My dream draft all along has been Henderson and Hansbrough.
Does anybody have a list of teams looking to sell draft picks? Wasn’t the highest Detroit at 15? I think Hansbrough would be a player that JR would take on a bad contract to get a pick.
by Jesse07 on Jun 19, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gack
I’m not totally against it, but unless we’re moving up in a position to get Harden, I wouldn’t give up much of significance.
Also, I really hope the plan isn’t to be “starting over” with the 11th and 16th picks in a weak draft as key pieces going forward.
by Sports2 on Jun 19, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Even though I usually like a few players (mainly Henderson and Blair) over others...
…when I stop and re-evaluate, it’s seems there isn’t a whole heckuva lot separating them from guys in the lower part of the draft. OTOH, the guys in the 8-11 range do have the most “estimated value” (from 82games.com link above-#9 is best, yay Noah!), because the expected production from 1 to 8-11 doesn’t fall off as dramatically as the guaranteed rookie salary scale. But if they’re talking value, then what is the value of giving up #16 and #26 for #11.
If I were 90% sold on Henderson or Blair over Green, Williams, Hansbrough, etc., or the Bulls needed a PG and I wanted Lawson, I’d probably do it just to guarantee I’d get the player I wanted. But I’m not…
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH, the TWolves are two spots behind both Bulls picks. They need a PG? Trade up?
Except that… Lawson’s a runner and they, um… have Love and Jefferson. If they could somehow end up with Harden and Lawson, I’d think they’d have to trade Love or Jefferson for a more athletic, differently-attributed PF or C. Or just keep both for a year and see how it works out.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their new GM certainly didn't give Love a wringing endorsement the other day
He said he wanted a center next to Al, and he obviously wants Al starting, so it’s pretty evident he sees Love on the bench.
I look at them and wonder if they’d consider trading Love to get a guy like Lawson or Mullins? Does one look at him as a better/worse prospect than Hansbrough or Blair?
by Sports2 on Jun 19, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mullens or Love?
We’ve discussed Mullens v. Hansbrough v. Blair enough in other places.
As far as Love? He’s faaaarrrr better prospect than any of those guys, based on production. He was the leading offensive rebounder in the entire NBA as a 20-year-old rookie. Plus, the sixth defensive-rebounder and the 2nd overall rebounder. In over 2000 mins. Once you get good production from someone at the pros (and in this case, it’s excellent production) it takes precedent over anything else with a prospect, in my opinion.
OTOH, for next to Jefferson? Hmmm…. Mullens would ideally, of course, but there’s soooo much uncertainty there. I’d be hard-pressed to trade him for anything less than Joakim Noah or Brook Lopez.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's sort of why I'm curious about Love.
I doubt the 16th pick by itself would get him, but boy, the new TWolves guy didn’t seem too high on him. What future does he have there besides on the bench?
Suppose we gave them #16 and 28, along with… well, I don’t know that we have anything else we can offer. Tyrus+16 for Love? But of course, if we’re trading for Love in the first place it’s a sign we’re forgoing my Bosh dreams, so maybe you just bite the bullet and do it.
I wouldn’t feel great about it though, and as you know, that’s without me being a huge fan of Tyrus.
I could, by the way, see Tyrus making some sense for them, since he still seems to yearn to be an NBA 3, and as best I can tell, their only candidate there is a Brewer and he’s both looked bad and ACL impaired.
It has the feel of the sort of trade you see actually go down in the NBA. Team A has a lotto pick that seems good but not great, but moreover a guy the new GM would never have picked. Team B has a lotto pick running out of “prospect” status that hasn’t broken out of prospect status and could use a change of scenery. Throw in a mid round pick that has some value to balance out the fact Tyrus only has one cheap year left, and it looks somewhat reasonable to both sides.
Would Tyrus+#16
by Sports2 on Jun 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the first time I've heard Tyrus for Love
and I really like that deal. Tyrus fits better with Jefferson, Love with Noah. The new Minnesota GM wants an impact player, and Tyrus has that ceiling. We’d get a younger and (I think) better player who’s a much better fit offensively. I’d do it in a second.
by YaoPau on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, what about Jefferson?
Kahn’s saying no chance they trade Jefferson, but he is coming off an injury, he’s vulnerable defensively like Amare, and still maintains incredible value because of his polished offensive skills and top 10 rebounding numbers.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting..
I’d be intrigued by a Tyrus for Love trade… I belive the salaries basically match up. We might have to throw in our #26 pick but that’s not really a concern to me. The only issue I might have with love is that he doesn’t really run the floor all that well and our team (Rose, Deng, Noah, Salmons) all are built to fast break. Tyrus fits that mold.
I guess it depends on whether Vinny is committing to coaching and using Tyrus this year. I think his ceiling is higher, but Love seems like the safer bet at this point. He’s a monster on the boards and Tyrus has been rebounding worse ever since he became obsessed with that 18 footer of his. I think Tyrus really, really wants to be Amar’e Stoudamire. Which isn’t a bad thing except that he’s not as skilled and Tyrus seems hell-bent on picking up all Amar’e’s bad traits…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus doesn't run hard on the break nearly often enough and Love can actually start the fast break
more often because (1) he’s a better rebounder, (2) he throws that pretty outlet pass. I wouldn’t be that worried about Love in the transition game. He may run like a duck, but he’s a better fit for a running game than most might assume, despite his own lack of foot speed.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point well taken
Love DOES throw the outlet basically as good or better than anyone in the league. I can’t believe I overlooked that. Welp, sign me up.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 19, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out his measurements... they came out pretty darn good
Of course, I think he was another fat boy who lost a lot of weight before the combine, but my observation was he largely kept off the weight this year.
Body wise, Love reminds me a whole lot of Elton Brand.* Remember how Brand went to Clippers and magically lost about 25lbs and was suddenly able to run the floor?
- A poor man’s Elton Brand
by Sports2 on Jun 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah I like it.
I mean, I’m a Tyrus supporter and I believe he’ll end up a damn good ballplayer one day (somewhere other than Chicago because we messed him up early) and will lead the league in blocked shots, but if indeed there is a deal in the works involving a Love/Thomas swap then I love it. Love is a basketball player who will be a real life double double machine for the next 10 years. Also, he is a capable scorer and possesses and nice mid range game which will give Derrick Rose room to manuever.
It’d be nice if Gordon were going to stick around to benefit from playing with a guy like Love as well but it’s looking more and more like that’s not gonna happen.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Jun 19, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would kill for a Tyrus for Love trade.
It removes the risk from the Tyrus equation AND gets us an extremely productive player.
Tyrus and the #26 for Love would be a really good thing.
Man.
Now my hopes are all up.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 19, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I like that idea a lot.
Tyrus for Love in a heartbeat. Sold.
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus in Minnesota
It would be kind of ironic to send Tyrus to Minnesota after all. Seeing how I believe the only reason Thomas was drafted was to be trade bait for the Kevin Garnett deal.
by Jesse07 on Jun 19, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hire McHale too
As a special consultant to continue to help develop Love.
by Jesse07 on Jun 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a good trade, but doesn't satisfy the need for a center...
…which seems to be the whole reason to even trade Love. my guess is they only want to do that because they don’t want Jefferson to guard C’s and want PF’s guarding Jefferson. I can’t possibly think of another reason to trade such a promising player like Love. I mean, Love is a much better “inside” guy than Thomas because of the rebounds (slightly negated by blocks). If Love were 3 inches taller, he’d be a rich man’s Brad Miller. (And no, that’s not because they’re both dopey looking white dudes.)
I think it’s a good trade both ways, but if Minnesota’s GM is “creating” a problem by saying they need a real center, I don’t see how Thomas solves that.
But still, an intriguing idea.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love is going to be really good
He’s shed the weight he was carrying and just got better with more PT as the season progressed and Al Jefferson was on the shelf.
Jefferson needs a true center and the Wolves could have chosen Brook Lopez last year. They took Mayo and did the trade with Memphis.
I’m sort of intrigued with making an offer for Love if the Wolves actually want to deal him.
Also, if the Wolves go after Harden what do they do with AJ Foye?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was your conflation of AJ Foyt and Randy Foye intentional?
If so, why?
by arjoseph on Jun 19, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Randy Foye. Thanks.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use him in combo with Love to get you a lot of good offers.
Or in combination with the #18 pick to move up from #6 2-3 spots.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo sports
The Chicago Bulls are trying to convince the New Jersey Nets to take their 16th and 26th picks to move to No. 11, and one Eastern Conference executive says Chicago’s target is Wake Forest forward James Johnson.
Some say Johnson has been slipping and could be available at No. 16, but no one seems sure about anything in this draft.
The Nets are considering the proposal. They’ve been intrigued by Louisville shooting guard Terrence Williams at No. 11, but could be willing to drop down with the belief that North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough could be available at 16.
As for Johnson, if he somehow drops to No. 21, you can count on the New Orleans Hornets letting him pass. After playing pick-up ball with Johnson in Winston-Salem the past two summers, Hornets star Chris Paul(notes) has no use for him, several league sources said.
"He talked way too much trash to Chris," one source insisted. "Bad idea."
by PricanStar on Jun 19, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
James Johnson?
We’re trading up to get a guy who will most likely be there at 16? We’re trading up to get a swing man in a draft full of swing men? I really hope that’s just a smoke screen.
by arjoseph on Jun 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a chance to be there at 26, let alone 16.
I really don’t see the point of trading up in this draft, unless it’s to the very top. Better to just take 2 guys and hope that one of them produces.
by potato0328 on Jun 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis Commercial-Appeal reporting Grizz have offers to acquire an "established or emerging all star" for the #2 pick
There is even a proposed deal or two that would allow the Griz to acquire an established or emerging all-star caliber player for the No. 2 pick.
More
Are there any potential trades scenarios that have gone underreported?
Sure. The New Jersey Nets are said to be willing to part with point guard Devin Harris. The Griz should ponder if Harris is worth the second pick.
OK. Quite new since Harris is talking to the press in NJ saying the Nets should draft a PG.
Could this “establish or emerging all star” also be Ben Gordon?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Could this "establish or emerging all star" also be Ben Gordon?"
no, no it couldn’t.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 19, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well Ben Gordon has never been an all star, so that's out.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and Ben Gordon isn't under contract and won't be before the draft so trading him is unpossible. But don't let facts get in the
way of speculation.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's an NBAO staple.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 19, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my thoughts
I wouldn’t mind it if Deng was turned into number2 pick plus some player….
Not sure how the money works in a trade like this, but the Bulls would seemingly be doing this to sign BG? I’m not sure if this is true since they Bulls org would basically be saying last year’s offseason signing of Deng to 71 million was a mistake when the money should’ve been allocated to BG — and I don’t see that happening.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on Jun 19, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Boozer?
Richard Jefferson? Shaq? Those would be the established players that come to mind.
by arjoseph on Jun 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Is that just a cost cutting move? Devin Harris is freaking good, and on a very reasonable deal.
by Sports2 on Jun 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was also some crap report about Yao Ming
Fielding questions about a trade to the Cavaliers
Why that’s a story, i don’t know. I mean besides Lebron James, the Rockets aren’t going to be enough interested in any Cavalier to unload for Yao Ming. Certainly if the Rockets were interested, there’d be plenty of other teams with far better options….
THE BULLS ARE GOING TO WIN IN 2010....maybe by stating this the positive vibes can make it happen.
by majoyenrac on Jun 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that, too.
Makes no sense, other than Chinese owners wanting a huge Chinese star. Seems like pipedreams, cause I have no clue how you get both Lebron and Yao on the same team and expect to do better than the CAVS did this season – cause that team would have to be otherwise decimated of personnel.
Only thing I could see if if CAVS were somehow certain Lebron was determined to leave CAVS no matter what, and the org did a premptive trade — but that kind of news would be leaked about Lebron, I think.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on Jun 19, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the Yao profits look like for a team
IF you pair Yao and Lebron together you’d have West meets East for the two biggest capital markets in the world.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland?
:-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lebron Kong
New Cleveland.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devin Harris?
Are the Nets just selling high on what they think is a one year fluke?
by Option27 on Jun 19, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems preposterous
Devin Harris was just terrific in New Jersey last year. How his name could come up in a deal for the #2 pick in this draft is just way off base.
I’d have to wonder if the Nets have concerns about NBA rule trends and if Harris could continue to free throw beg his way to line so much. If the games get called to the same, Harris has a good shot to get 8 to 10 FT attempts per.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 19, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already attempted 9 FTAs this season
He still can’t shoot, yet it’s irrelevant because he gets to the line like D-Wade. It’s a ridiculous transformation, and one I hope comes to Derrick Rose in the near future.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could sign and trade Gordon for a pick instead of losing him ...
massive feathers in cap, I’ll just say that much.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a good move
Outside of Griffin, this draft is up for grabs. I say Johnson and Earl Clark have the most potential to fit into what this team nees. Clark could be a better Tim Thomas and Johnson seems to have all the tools to be a good NBA SF/PF.
Draft him, get rid of Deng, TT and Kirk and we should have a nice team.
by MarkAllen on Jun 19, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No...
Your team would suck. Throw together a bunch of rookies without a system. And you have the OKC Thunder: ‘Promise that may never be achieved.’
by kingj41 on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thunder will win the title next season.
You watch…
by SoulEater7 on Jun 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo for MVP!
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe stopper!
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jun 19, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like OKC
but they’re too young to win consistently. They need a voice in the locker room. A voice with the rep to back it up. Who’s their leader? Who’s the Bulls leader? When your coach isn’t an established leader, you need players to be. Adding rookies while dumping vets isn’t the answer…
by kingj41 on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is an answer to pocket book though.
Jerry has enjoyed these last four or five years when it comes to the rookie pay scale.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Jun 19, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta Ellis & Devin Harris are the two that come to mind.
by PricanStar on Jun 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say that... I'm thinking Ellis?
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare is another all-star that's out there on the block...
they’re speculating the Wolves just turned down a Jefferson-Amare swap.
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I highly doubt Amare would sign there.
The Wolves or Amare turned it down? I don’t think anyone would trade for Amare without an extension.
by PricanStar on Jun 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I mean supposedly the Wolves turned it down, and obviously it was bc Amare was unlikely to sign an extention there.
I think the Wolves new GM is trying to make a splash and looking into the value of his whole roster.
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should hold the draft tonight.
I can’t wait until next Thursday. Plus this rain is killing me.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 19, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda don't like the period after the finals and before the draft
So much pontification it’s hard to keep it straight and who to believe. Plus the Bulls are prone to screwing up…. either by bad moves or no moves at all.
I also wish the draft was over.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on Jun 19, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go get Tyreke Evans
i need some “born ready” on the bulls….. Evans and Rose in the backcourt for years to come is a little slice of heaven for me. That’s what i’m hoping for on draft night. If they keep the 16th pick, then I am hoping for Blair or Mullens, hopefully one of those guys will still be there.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
by CONOR6 on Jun 19, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They want this man...
rumor has it and they wanna trade up to get him. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl…yhoo&type=lgns
by SoulEater7 on Jun 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to look at him more, but
I watched Wake in the ACC tournament, and all I remember is James Johnson jacking up ridiculous 3s in transition while his team was trying to comeback, missing them horribly and killing momentum. He’s a big skilled athletic dude, but man those shots were Tyrusesque in their dumbness.
by YaoPau on Jun 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks. I really hope they aren't moving up to draft James Johnson. He's fat for a SF (12% body fat, 257 pounds)
and he plays too much of a finesse game to be a full time PF. Pass.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really really interesting mixtape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih2DyJLYw88
This is pretty out of the box if this is what the Bulls are thinking, but maybe they see Johnson as their starting SG? It looks like has has the handle and foot speed to play the position. Ahh!!
by YaoPau on Jun 19, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
the first move on that mixtape is LeBron-like. I can’t believe a 6’8" 257lb guy did that, and I’m not agains talking to myself for the rest of the thread.
by YaoPau on Jun 19, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except LeBron would have jumped about three ft higher and dunked it...
…even with an actual 7-footer at the rim, instead of a bunch of semi-athletic 6’8" guys guarding the rim.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they draft him to play SG, I will be totally gobsmacked.
I don’t actually see them doing that, but that’d be crazy if they did.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know if it's a genius move. It would be . . . unorthodox, though.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 19, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I still know nothing about Johnson, but...
I’ve always wanted to take a starter-caliber player with our pick, the high-floor / low-ceiling didn’t make sense to me with our current roster.
I like Mullens, but I don’t like his lack of rebounding/effort. I like Williams a lot and I think he can start, but he’s not a difference maker. Blair’s knees scare me. Henderson I don’t think much of. Hansbrough’s ceiling = Hansbrough’s floor.
Johnson’s the mix of “he’s pretty good right now” and “he could be an impact player longterm” that I haven’t seen from anybody else discussed at #16. Hmmmmmm……
by YaoPau on Jun 19, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"he’s pretty good right now" and "he could be an impact player longterm"
I see that in Henderson, (but I know you said you didn’t like him), and of course Blair (but I share the same concerns with his knees).
Does anyone actually have a link to a medical description of what ppl say is wrong with Blair’s knees btw?
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe arthritis is a concern
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more pissed about that than if they drafted Mullens.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 19, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get a twinge of sadness
everytime I see a VDN pic.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 19, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the next handshake picture posted
Is of VDN’s ‘goodbye’ handshake from the Bulls org.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on Jun 19, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
You know…he gave me that same walk away shake when i asked for his autograph
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You asked for his autograph?
As a joke? :)
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
he’s the 1st bull i saw in PHX =(
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 19, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson could be a terrific sleeper pick. He has the raw ability to be great, but has hurt his stock a bit in workouts.
That’s from espn’s mock 5 razor, err draft. Anyone know exactly what he’s done in workouts to “hurt his stock”?
What do I need to show fire for? I'm not a dragon. - Lou Pinella
by smash! on Jun 19, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did his pushups 'girl-style'.
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jun 19, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
i wish we could grab Hansborough at 26 and and Henderson at 16..
but i think we should go for Hansborough at 16 and grab a pg with the 26… then RESIGN BG…
by Faizamaze on Jun 20, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream Team
Rose/Roberson
Wade/BG
Salmons/TT
Bosh/TT
Noah/ Asik
4 mil-ish Roberson 1 ish
Wade 15 mil-ish BG 10 ish
Salmons 6 ish TT 4ish
Bosh 15 ish
Noah 3-ish
Damn.. Goes upto around 63 million … maybe not salmons.. some scrub instead
by Faizamaze on Jun 20, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if I should make a new fanshot but...
With the No. 16 and No. 26 picks in the first round, the Chicago Tribune reports that the Chicago Bulls are looking to trade up and have targeted the New Jersey Nets and the No. 11 pick as a likely target. The Bulls have been interested in Syracuse guard Jonny Flynn, Duke swingman Gerald Henderson and Wake Forest guard Jeff Teague and forward James Johnson.
by JSlakov on Jun 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
zzzzz
none of those guys entice me
by JSlakov on Jun 20, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jonny Flynn? Jeff Teague?
What the shit is going on here.
by Sports2 on Jun 20, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Teague is kind of a tinier Ben Gordon...so I've no idea why they'd do that. If they have problems with the tiny backcourt
letting BG go and picking up Teague is not the right way to go.
Flynn makes no sense at all, as he’s strictly a PG.
James Johnson is fine, but not someone I’d move up to get at all.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 20, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're interested in all the players that it makes no sense for us to get
Makes sense.
-I was wrong about Pau Gasol. I have been shamed. :(
by Prevenge on Jun 21, 2009 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counterintelligence!!!
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by tyger1147 on Jun 21, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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