Trade proposal from a Blazer fan
by Kelsoballa on Jun 16, 2009 11:24 AM CDT
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Kirk Hinrich and your #16 pick
for
Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and our #24 pick
I haven't double-checked the numbers, but if I'm right then it's something like:
(9.5) + (1.6) = 11.1 from Bulls
(4) + (4) + (1.1) = 9.1 from Blazers
125% of (9.1) = 11.4.......so it works
Hinrich over 3 years costs what, 26.5 Mil? Blake and Outlaw have non-guaranteed 1 year 4 Mil contracts left I think. That's saving quite a bit, but more importantly gives you flexibility. But yes, we would get the better player out of the deal.
So do you like it? Hate it? If this was the best offer for Kirk you get would you do it? Do you think you can get a better offer?
Sorry if you don't like proposals from other teams' fans, just need some fresh perspective is all.
Good luck next year.
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Similar trades have been posted many times before. Here is my main issue. Yes, the Bulls get future cap relief, a back up PG and a back up SF (and a bit of insurance for Deng). This I am ok with. However, the Blazers are getting far and away the most talented player of the three, and now we should downgrade our draft pick? Take out the Bulls draft pcik from the picture, or maybe we throw in a future 2nd and I am all for this. At a certain point, I don’t mind having too many good players on the roster, especially players like Kirk who will act professionally, despite not getting tons of time. I think the Bulls could wait out a better offer, but this is close.
Personally, I would love Kirk packaged in a big deal, but I am not sure how possible it is.
by DRose01 on Jun 16, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Take out both the draft picks and it's a fair deal. Add the 24th pick back into the mix and it's a no brainer for the Bulls.
Having 3 first rounders would allow the Bulls to really wheel and deal on draft night. If you really want Hinrich — Blake, Outlaw, and the 24th pick would assuredly get it done. If you aren’t totally sold on him, Outlaw and Blake without the pick might land you him, but it might not. This trade doesn’t get it done for me. The Bulls have no incentive to trade down in this draft in order to give away the best player in the deal.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
You just saved me the time to type that.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Agreed
This trade is too much in favor of the Blazers. They get the best player and they improve their draft position. The cap relief just isn’t enough to offset that, in my opinion.
(I’ve also never really understood the idea of going to another team’s message board proposing a trade, but that’s neither here nor there)
by SouthernCub on Jun 16, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes, especially in the off season, it's nice to get some fresh perspective on what you've already discussed to death
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I think the reason people go to other message boards to propose trades is because. . .
You guys are closer to the situation , and its an ego thing . We want to hear what you guys think about one of our guys . But mostly its the fact that no matter what all the news stories or “Sources”
Say, You all know if someone is tradeable or not.
Like over at Canis Hoops , they thought they could trade Kevin Love and the #6 pick for Greg Oden.
Which will never happen in a millon years. And i heard a similar trade involving LaMarcus Aldridge.
We in portland basically know who will be traded this off season. You basically know too.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm with you.
It can give you a better perspective on the other team and how they value their own players, which is important. I mean, would management of a team decide on a deal before they sent out feelers to the other team?
How do trades like this get us higher than the 8th seed and solidly into the 2nd round and beyond.
If they don’t, give it up.
Instead of using Portland's trash for a Gasol or Ariza
why don’t we just use our own “trash” and deal direct?
I'm too lazy to check the cap stuff on this
But I’d rather see you guys package Outlaw and Bayless for Hinrich. I think you Blazers fans try not to bring him up because you are afraid of losing him, but I think he makes more sense for the Bulls because he can probably develop into a solid combo guard. Blake, IMO probably can’t back up the 2-spot, and is probably worse than Bayless over the next 2 or 3 years anyway.
Bayless is Kevin Pritchard's pride and joy
He is rumored to be thought of as our “PG of the future” in Blazer circles, for whatever that’s worth. And he’s one of the hardest working guys in the league. Basically, it’d take A LOT for KP to trade him.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
What player on the Blazers ISN'T Pritchard's pride and joy?
Ugh, I’m so sick of these types of posts. We get it, everyone he drafts is awesome!!!!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
i also love how all these people act
as if they know exactly what the GM is thinking.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
We know what our GM is thinking.......nothing!
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
ummmm
when you are as obsessed about your team as I am about mine, then you can come talk to me
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
Idk id do it.
We could mix and match our back court line up alot since Roy plays point alot.
Roy+Hinrich
Roy+Rudy
Roy+Blake
Roy+Webster
Hinrich+Rudy
Hinrich+Webster
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
ditto
Bayless in the picture puts the draft pick swaps back into play.
Hinrich is better than Bayless at time when the Blazers need contributions right now.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 16, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I appreciate the proposal
Our responses may be similar to how negotiations really take place. Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich I imagine has been discussed. The negotiations over the picks we are having here may mimick Portland GM to Bulls GM dialogue.
Yah
I’d imagine if Blazers win the negotiation they’d get:
Hinrich + #16 for Blake + Outlaw + #24 + #32
And if Bulls got their way they’d get:
Hinrich for Blake + Outlaw + #24
Now, who’s the better negotiator?….Gotta go with Kevin “Pritchslap” Pritchard
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
the Bulls don't lose trades. And the incentive to make a trade is clearly on the Portland side
not chicago. Kevin Prtichard is the most overrated GM in the league. Oden over Durant?
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 16, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Oden vs. Durant
Was like Bowie over Jordan
Both picks made complete sense at the time.
Jordan and Drexler played the same position as does Durant and Roy.
Obviously Durant is better than Oden, and Blazer fans get laughed at when we say “you just wait”, but…
YOU JUST WAIT
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
Only Carleisimo thought Durant plays the same position as Roy
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
They basically do. Durant is a big ass shooting guard who can't play D.
Greg Oden will be defensive player of the year in three years.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha! Dude can't ever stay on the floor whether it's injuries or foul trouble. No chance he's ever DPOY.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oden did his first squats in TWO YEARS this summer
Not only will he get smarter from year 1-2 like all rookies, he will get more athletic… You just wait
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
I don't know about his defense, but he's going to be a rebounding machine
If he ever learns how to not foul with every movement of his body.
Also, I think it’s more fair to judge him on this upcoming season a few years removed from microfracture surgery. He’ll have his original strength and athleticism back. If he still can’t stay on the court next season………then we can start throwing out bust.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you , I hate people judging rookies so harshly its retarded.
I don’t know if Oden will be better .but he will start for a championship team and have more rings than durant when its all said and done .
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oden is not going to be that good. He's too frail.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Him being good and being frail doesn't have anything to do with eachother
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure it does
Ever heard of a guy named Brad Daugherty? He was incredible until his back gave up on him. At one point he was in the discussion when talking about the best players in the league. Who know what the Cavs would have done in the late ’80s – early ’90s if he could play more than a handful of games a season before having to retire early.
He was good – but it never materialized because he couldn’t stay healthy. Not saying this is going to happen to Oden, but if it does he certainly wouldn’t be first. Unfortunately if it does, he will just be another example of forgotten stars who coulda/woulda/shoulda.
I agree with what your saying.
Greg oden will be a good player regardless . But can he stay on the court ? who knows. signs currently point to no. but i think he may be able to shake this .
I totally agree with what your saying but i just look at it differently.
Cuz its like saying Penny Hardaway was a bad player.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all semantics
It all depends on what you definition of good is.
Does good mean he has talent and could play at a high level when healthy? Or, does it mean he has talent and able to play at a high level most of the time while being trusted to stay healthy so a championship team can lean on him?
Again, I think we’re talking semantics but I think that’s what fundamentallysound is saying – which I happen to agree with.
And no, I don’t think Penny was a bad player, but I wouldn’t call him good – he was OK. Simply because, while he had talent, he could be trusted to be on the court when you needed him.
Yeah i suppose
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not good now, so if he's going to be good, it'll have to be later, and he won't be good because he's too oft injured or foul troubled.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not. Durant might take the qualifying offer to get to unrestricted free agency sooner.
After all, Durant could be a free agent that way about the time “Coby” Bryant is ready to retire. Another Lakers dynasty. ;)
I don’t know if Oden will be better .but he will start for a championship team and have more rings than durant when its all said and done .
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jun 18, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
His rebounding prowess this year is directly related to how often he fouls. When he reins in the fouls, the rebounds will drop.
The same thing happened to Tyrus. He came into the league averaging 6 fouls per 36 minutes as a rookie and was a pretty great rebounder. Then last year and this year he cut down his fouls, but his rebounding dropped off markedly.
It’s just the nature of things. When you’re less reckless (in order to stay on the court), you’re necessarily going to miss out on some opportunities to get some boards.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but oden doesn't really foul trying to rebound.
He fouls guarding the post and trying to block. the rebounds are all him.
Besides Look at tyrus thomas bodie vs gregs body. Greg will always be in good position to rebound and he has mad hops. so i think his rebounding will only get better.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you really spell "body" differently just three words apart?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Holy crap i did ! lol my bad.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say that 90% of Oden’s fouls were weakside help defense related. He was a dominant rebounder and rarely fouled going over the back.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
he's not a shooting guard.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Bulls don't lose trades?
Does Aldridge / Thomas not count?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
Hell no
We got Khrypa, you got Paxbitchslapped.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
but I still don’t like Aldridge.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 16, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They also got rid of artest and Tyson Chandler.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
artest was before john paxson came to town
and Ron Artest wasn’t exactly the model citizen after he left. Something about him destroying the Indiana Pacers franchise comes to mind. The Hornets are actively shopping Chandler as we speak and I think Noah is better. No big miss there.
Portland fans are funny. You have one all star and a bunch of question marks and you guys start declaring yourselves championship contenders.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 16, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We got 54 for wins, 2nd best record in the west with those "question marks"
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
and yet, couldn't get out of the first round.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither could you
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
but we're not claiming to be contenders.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 16, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We weren't claiming that last year, but from here on out we are
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
weren't you guys the 4th seed?
not to let facts get in the way of your argument or anything
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 16, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah three way tie for second place .
Thats how tough the west is
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
We are champion contenders . If you cant see that we are good your just a hater.
We are better than the magic and they made it to the finals.
Man your jealous because your GM traded all your good players away.
And Im sorry but LaMarcus is better than every big man you have .
Im not saying he is the best Power forward ever , but you got robbed on that trade admit it.
I like watching the bulls i like derrick rose you guys are an up and coming team.
But you know we pounded you this year , we are a very good team.
Every position except point guard and maybe small forward we kill you at.
Stop Sipping on the hater-ade
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than the Magic????
Ummmm…..ok……don’t you have to make it out the the first round to be considered a championship contender?
Im not making excuses , but we didn't have a good matchup our first round.
We would have lost to the lakers in the second round though. But yeah we are better than the magic. the east is really weak.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So bad it fielded the 3 best defenses in the league (Orlando was the best)
The Magic is also the type of team that knows how to attack Portland’s weaknesses (namely poor perimeter defense).
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
UH yes exactly.
The magic Cavaliers and Celtics are the only teams that are acually really good in the east. the hawks arent too bad either, but not the same level. And they play more games against the eastern conference teams which means alot of there stats are fools gold. Im not trying taking away anything from the magic cuz im a magic fan , but portland is about as good or better than the magic.
But the fact is that Everyone except the celtics would have had ALOT less wins if they played in the western conference. But its irrelevent because thats not the way it is.
And the magics perimeter D is Horrible too. so idk.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
There’s no easy opponents in the West like the Thunder, Clippers, Kings, Warriors, or Grizzlies, right?
The West has 1 elite team, a couple of flawed contenders, and teams like Utah and Phoenix and Dallas that really were never in contention for a title, but are given their respect because they all have top 20 players. More talent, but it’s not the vast disparity it was from 1999-2003.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah there is alot of sucky teams in the west.
But the east has ALOT MORE . The bulls made the playoffs with an under 500. record. Its just a fact the east is weaker.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
bulls were .500, not below 500
it’s not that the east is so much weaker, it is more evenly matched.
in the west there was one great team, 8 good teams, and 7 terrible teams. the gap between 9 and 10 wasn’t even close. play 7 bad teams 4 times per year = 28 good chance at winning.
in the east there were 3 teams above the rest, but #4-14 all had at shot at some point during the season. there was only 1 truly terrible team. #14 in the east would be #10 in the west.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I meant to say pistons. I was thinking about the bulls though.
Um yes the west is totally weaker. even our crappy west teams are better than your crappy east teams.
In the east there is only one grwat team and two good teams . the rest wouldn’t make the playoffs in the west.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Kill the "grwat" i meant great
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that doesn't even make sense, given i just said that all but the wizards
would be above your #10 team. who’s crappier than who now?
stfu.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Chill out man.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Er, Jaina is not a man.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on Jun 18, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Th blazers are contenders. we will see whats up next year thats all.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And as far as contenders
The rockets the nuggets and the lakers , would handilly beat the magic
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Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 17, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rockets would not, the Nuggets. . .maybe, the Lakers, well they did.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 17, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
better than the Magic?
you are nuts. You have no SF and no PG which is why you guys are always over here. At this point Noah has had 2 productive years, Oden has had 0.
You guys are better than the Bulls. Hooray?!? But to not acknowledge that your team is filled with young guys where there are questions on how they will develop / fit in, is just to watch the games with blinders on. Better than the Magic?!? I needed a laugh
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 16, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than the magic???
OMG LOL. that’s just plain ridiculous. You say you like watching the bulls but maybe you don’t since you didn’t notice Joakim played awesome considering it being his sophmore season and Tyrus was inconsistent but finished the season strong. LaMarcus is a damn good but he’s a softie. And it has to be said “OLD MAN” Oden(as i like to call him) was plain horrible. But better than the Magic? laff. Next you’re gunna say Oden’s gna be better than Dwight- first he should try being better than Noah. And u can keep blake and outlaw i’d rather have captain Kirk.
by AFireInside661 on Jun 16, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What i dont have any beef with Joakim ,i like him alot.
And im not comparing him to oden , cuz lets be honest Oden Totally sucked it up this year . I was comparing him to Przybilla . Whos offensive game is bad. But is a better rebounder and defender. Oden was basically our back up center.
And i Honestly don’t think that oden is ever gonna be better than Dwight.
Ill pray for it but idk it doesn’t seem likely. At this point I just want him to be better than Robin FROpez..
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Since when is Tyson Chandler any good?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Oh, and if we're going to play that game
The Portland TrailBlazers took Martell Webster over Chris Paul.
You can play the “we got Brandon Roy in 2006” card all you want, that was just not a very smart move.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately Kevin Pritchard wasn't our GM at that point.
Our current GM had a love afair with sebastion telfair . And that worked out just great.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 16, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions
The West is so much better than the East...
That they had a much worse record in head-to-head meetings this year. The East KILLED the West when they played each other. The only reason you had so many teams over 50 wins was that those teams padded their totals against the likes of the Clippers, Grizzlies, Kings, Warriors and Thunder. Oh, and the Wolves. The East had 3 of the top 4 teams in the league and I would argue that the Hawks, Heat, Bulls and Sixers were close to as good as the injured Spurs, Mavericks, Jazz and Suns.
BRING IT.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 17, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Exactly +1
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
Take off the picks and add Rudy and we'll talk
But I know Portland fans adore Rudy and would never offer him in a proposed trade.
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so."
Funny
Would you like Oden as well?
Blake is about as solid a backup point guard as you are going to find. Outlaw is also an excellent weapon off the bench and would fit in with a faster pace offense in Chicago than he does with the Blazers. I noticed that both players had a higher PER than Kirk and each cost less than half what the Bulls are paying Hinrich to be a backup. The Blazers gain a defensive point guard to pair up with their offensive superstar at shooting guard. This deal makes perfect sense for both teams. The addition of the draft picks makes little sense to me, other than to sweeten an already sweet deal for the Blazers.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
I'll take Oden if you're offering.
Tell you what — you throw in Oden and we’ll throw in Big Sexy (Aaron Gray). Sound good?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jun 19, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
the problem is that Rudy has a 15 PER and was a 23 year old rookie with a cheap contract. Kirk is a 28 year old point guard with a PER <15 (great defense, natch).
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
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