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B.J. Mullens' Twitter Says He's Got A Guarantee In M.J. Town

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by Granny Waiters on Jun 13, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MJ town...

hmmmm, Charlotte?

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Jun 13, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mullens is crazy

a) he’s never going to get more minutes than White Whale Brad Miller off the bench

b) the bust potential on him is ridiculously high. Is Gar Paxdorf really that ballsy after picking Rose?

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The bust potential on any #16 pick is high

We aren’t on track to contend for a title with our current roster, so it doesn’t make sense to draft a high floor, low ceiling player. #16 will be the highest pick we’ll have in a long time, why not live a little and pick the 7’ tall, #1 high school prospect player who has difference-maker potential.

by YaoPau on Jun 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was he really the #1 high school prospect?

Anyways, I agree with you. That is, unless someone like Henderson falls to 16 obviously.

by smash! on Jun 14, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s probably some fan pretending to be mullens hoping to stir up trouble

by chitownsports25 on Jun 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope so, since that twitter account follows Britney Spears and Ashton Kutcher...

But if it really is him, that’s one great way to make the Bulls rethink taking you.

by smash! on Jun 13, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happened to the other Mullens guarantee thread?

it was a lot more comprehensive than this one.

by JSlakov on Jun 14, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

yfbb probably just saw the title of the post and nixed it

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Jun 14, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

other post

linked by a post to Doug Thonus and included an interview with Mullens where he said the Bulls workout went very well.

The Thonus blog post quoted Marc Stein’s Draft Update in which he says that Mullens has gotten a top 16 guarantee. Very curious

by JSlakov on Jun 14, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was a duplicate thread

i didn’t notice until this morning that Option 27 had posted this one.

Here is the link to the article -

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago … antee.html

and to the video of BJ Mullens interview with Draft Express -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQgCsIA0dTw

Check out the 40-45 second part.

by Basketball Smurf on Jun 14, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most of the time it's first-come-first-saved.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other one was a little better... now I've gotta re-write what I said

I’m coming to the unfortunate conclusion that Mullins isn’t a terrible pick in the context of this draft. His size and athleticism really are elite level. Unless he just totally and completely flames out, he ought to have a long career.

His game is a lot like Curry’s, complete with the awesome finishing, inability to pass and iffy effort. Ahead of Curry though, he doesn’t seem to have much hint of a weight problem, and really that’s all that stands between Curry and being a pretty useful player.

If nothing else, Mullins would be an awesome finishing weapon in Rose’s hands. One would hope.

by Sports2 on Jun 14, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's one of the reasons I've come around on Mullens. He's an excellent finisher with great hands and elite athleticism and size.

In terms of his size and athleticism, he’s probably a slight step below Amare. When Amare came into the league he couldn’t shoot (his rookie year he shot 30.7% on jumpshots).

Given that we’re essentially running the Phoenix system and Tyrus has never been a good finisher, despite the highlight dunks, Mullens on the PnR with Rose could be dynamite. I think Mullens has the right mechanics to develop a solid mid range jumper, he just needs work on it. The lack of rebounding worries me, but I think that having Deng, who’s an excellent SF rebounder, and Noah who is also an excellent rebounder would make it less of an issue. Playing Noah and Mullens together as a frontcourt together could be a good fit assuming that Mullens reaches his full potential.

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by fundamentallysound on Jun 14, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

even if he just turns out to be Chris Anderson, I don’t think that would be a terrible result for the 16 pick. the real question would be how long it takes him to get to that level.

by JSlakov on Jun 14, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contra what I just said below

someone needs to develop a lot to make Mullins and Noah work together offensively. As it stands, that’s two guys who don’t compliment each other worth a damn. Now if Noah appears this fall with a magical jump shot, we’ll get somewhere. But as it stands… it’s pretty scary to contemplate.

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contra?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UUDDLRLRBASTART!

Well, the latest I’ve been reading is that the really obvious high floor guys might be off the board. That is, Hansbrough and Henderson. Lawson is still my personal favorite, but I think there’s no way in hell the Bulls take him even if he’s there.

Blair might be there, but he’s festooning himself in bright red flags. Even leaving aside the weight loss, I’ve repeatedly heard from semi-creditable people in the past that the Bulls are skeptical about bringing in guys that have serious knee injury histories. I remember from way back in the day hearing that’s been a consideration when thinking about guys like Caron Butler and Brandon Roy, and possibly Spencer Hawes. I don’t have anything really hard and fast to back that up with, but it’s my impression.

So who’s left on the board when the Bulls pick?
If I’m right and those “finished product” guys are off the board, and we’re left with Blair (with flags), Lawson (wrong position), and a couple of guys like Terrance Williams and Earl Clark in competition with Mullins, I gotta think Mullins looks pretty attractive.

Clark doesn’t look like a wonderful prospect to me, and Williams looks like a pretty iffy fit for our team given his skillset. He doesn’t seem like the sort of guy who’s gonna work out great with Rose. I wouldn’t be unhappy with picking Williams, but I’m not super enthusiastic about him either.

So I guess my ranking of guys who seem likely to be available would be
Lawson
Mullins
Williams
Blair

but there’s very little space between Mullins and Williams. I wouldn’t hate picking Blair either, but I wouldn’t like it much.

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can get behind that logic.

OTOH, I might just revolt if they select Mullens. I won’t have to worry about them being good for a couple of years.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, A, B, A, B, Select, Start

by smash! on Jun 15, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

if you write a gnarly comment on a dead thread, email me and I can retrieve the words for ya.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bah, you're going away from high-floor!

The Bulls will ruin any project big beyond repair. He won’t get minutes, and it’s not like anyone will develop him on the side.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I concur.

I’d rather get high floor guys that the Bulls can’t screw up (yes, I’ve lowered my expectations) that can be good back-ups when the Bulls get real, “proven” players in free agency or trades or whatever. As little chance as there is in trading for Bosh or Stoudemire or Wade, or signing any of them outright, I think it’s gotta be better than Mullens turning into anything resembling one of them in contribution.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look at Mullins as an in-shape Curry

Which is a pretty far cry from Bosh or Amare. I guess my thinking is he might need quite a bit less development than we think. If he can put his body on someone defensively, allowing Noah to freelance more, we’re fine (I’m iffy on that). Offensively, if he can catch a pass and go straight up with it, we’re fine with him. I’ve got some confidence he can do that.

Given the alternatives, I’m not seeing a lot of obviously better ones :(

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get the Curry comparison at all.

Maybe in terms of their future impact, but not in their games, right? Curry is much more of a ground-bound player with a number of different offensive moves. He also doesn’t play defense or rebound, so I can see that comparison, which doesn’t bode well for Mullens. Why do you think he needs less work than we think?

Mullens couldn’t produce in college. Some excuse (or at least hypothesize it) by saying it’s because Ohio St. didn’t run plays for him or use him enough. I don’t see how that changes with this Bulls team. I just so no way where this organization can develop a player at this point. For me, I see Mullens’ chances of ever being a productive player on the Bulls at about 15%. I think there are a number of players with much higher chances of at least being productive than that.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're overestimating Curry's offensive moves and undestimating his athleticism and soft hands

The most effective he ever was with us was when Skiles figure out he could run that alley-oop play. The second best thing he did was pretty close to it, get the ball and immediately go up with it.

Any time Eddy brought the ball down or took a dribble, it was an adventure. The big comparison to Mullins, and why I think Mullins might not need a huge amount of work to be effective (if limited) is he seems capable of doing those things that Curry did well. Get him close to the basket, have Rose deliver the ball with the pinpoint precision he can deliver it with, and Mullins can dunk it.

I think Mullins can get that kind of position and I think Rose can make that kind of pass. And that’s all that’s necessary for Mullins to be a good option. That doesn’t mean he’s overall a good player, just that he can be effective as a weapon that way.

Back to Curry, I think Curry had more moves, but going back to Cartwright’s time, the Bulls always worked hard to have Curry involved and running things through him, which forced Eddy to be in a position to draw and pass out of double teams. He always sucked at that, and still does. So does Mullins.

That style of play is what people want from a great center, right? You want to run an offense through him, so he can create for other players by virtue of commanding a double team. That’s what everyone tried to do with Eddy. Problem is, Eddy was never able to do much besides score if he got the ball in the proper position. In fact, trying to generate doubles on Eddy and getting him to pass out of them was counterproductive.

If you lower your expectations and don’t try to run your offense through him though, he can still be an effective player. Instead of a midpoint in the offense, consider him an endpoint. Eddy generated doubles without even having the ball because it was obvious that if he got it close to the basket he was unstoppable.

That is, he made offense easier for other players without actually generating assists himself. I don’t think this was well recognized. People kept trying to feed him, then harped on his inability to get an assist.

Obviously he wasn’t a good passer, but the overuse of that approach was the problem. Instead of using Eddy as a guy who should catch the ball and make a decision, he should pretty much have only gotten the ball when he was in position to score.

By virtue of being a good finisher, he was often in position to score, and teams had to game plan just to keep the ball out of his hands, resulting in doubles and good shots for other guys.

Mullins is a similarly good finisher with good hands but crummy understanding and ability to pass the ball. But if you play to his strengths and not to that weakness, I think he could still be effective in the way I’ve (meanderingly) outlined.

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good post.

The question then is not so much, can we develop him as a big man, which I think most of us would agree that the Bulls suck at that. But the question is, is VDN good enough of a coach to teach this approach to his team and work around everyone’s strengths and weaknesses. No, he’s not, but I would like Mullens in this type role if we would actually play like that.

by Unrealcity on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're too busy learning from Hakeem

and watching Rodman on tape!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Mullens" given these attributes by various writers ..

Defensively he doesn’t hold his position well and gets outplayed and outsmarted by opponents…Lacks motivation

Let him be somebody else failed project. I don’t even want to think about another incoming timid pussy player coming to this team loaded with enough of them already.

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 16, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's one pick

If everything goes to plan, we’ll be picking in the 20s from here until Derrick’s knees give out. Will Tyler Hansbrough ever be the difference between winning a championship and not? Doubtful.

So Mullens sits for a year while Brad Miller’s contract runs up. Big deal. We need to add a piece eventually, why not try one more time through the draft?

by YaoPau on Jun 15, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you liked to stockpile postive APM guys to ride the bench.

Who has the better chance of doing that: Hansbrough or Mullens?

Will Mullens ever be the difference in anything? Doubtful.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do like that

but that’s assuming we’ve got enough firepower in the starting lineup where a good bench can be the difference. I think we’re a high-40s / low-50 win team for a while starting next year, and we need another piece.

And yeah, I guess both players have a small chance of being a difference maker, but I’d argue Mullens has a relatively much better chance than Hansbrough. Look at two of the top bigs in this draft- Thabeet, Jordan Hill – and in recent drafts – Horford, Noah, Aldridge – these guys barely made an impact as freshman, then developed into top 10 picks and successful NBA players. Who knows if Mullens is next in line, but the big prospect status, the frame, and the athleticism is there.

by YaoPau on Jun 15, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find your argument unconvincing!

Am I going to have to point out every single over-hyped, never-amounted-to-squat, athletic-but-uninterested-or-too-dumb-to-get-better 7-footer in the history of college basketball to refute your five case-in-points?

(I won’t, so please don’t say I have to.)

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't really understand what YaoPau is saying

but if you narrow it down to guys who are really as athletic as Mullins is, the list is both pretty short and pretty successful

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that could've been more clear

My point was it’s waaay to early to judge Mullens’ ceiling after one bad season, as there have been several recent 7 footers who struggled their first year of college then found their stride.

My reasoning for drafting Mullens isn’t that I think he’s a surefire contributor, but because he has a high ceiling for a #16 pick. Basically, if he flops, I think “so we could’ve had the +0 Hansbrough instead, do I care?”. If he pans out he can help us become a contender. It’s a low-risk, possibly high reward investment.

by YaoPau on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never questioned his ceiling, just his likelihood of reaching it.

If you have Chris Bosh at PF, and Mullens, derrrr, I mean “nobody” to back him up, you’ll wish you had a 0 to +2 APM PF backing him up on a rookie deal.

My point: it’s likelier that Tyler Hansbrough becomes even a mildly positive contributor and the Bulls get Bosh/Amare than it is that Mullens reaches his potential… or becomes a positive contributor.

These are pure guesswork on my part:
Hansbrough a positive contributor: 50/50
Hansbrough a star: < .01%
Hansbrough sucks: 40%
Mullens a positive contributor: 15%
Mullens a star: 2-3%
Mullens sucks: 70%

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by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that at all.

There are ton of 7-footers who have been drafted on athletic ability and potential that have never done anything. How athletic were they? I don’t know. Mullens is huge and quicker than anyone else his size. So he’s almost unprecedented in the measurement era. There are some good players, sure, but there are a lot of busts, too.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see many busts with his across the board goodness

I’m just saying at the end of the day, that goodness counts for something. Even with token efforts I see his likelihood of making a positive contribution at something well higher than 15%

Mullins
Sucks: 40%
Useful: 50%
Star: 10%

Hansbrough
Sucks: 10%
Useful: 85%
Star: 5%

I’m pretty sure I’d take Hansbrough first as well, but I in the latest projections he’s not there for us.

And generally speaking, if I had to guess, if we can’t get a deal done for Bosh by draft time, we aren’t getting a deal done for Bosh.

by Sports2 on Jun 15, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEAKNESSES: "Basketball IQ"," Doesn't always play hard", "Work ethic"

When those phrases are used to profile a player, that’s not a good sign, so yes BJ’s bust potential is really high even if his athleticism gives him a high ceiling.

I wasn’t impressed with what I saw in his one year at OSU. Ironically, he was the third consecutive one-n-done center at OSU and IMO wasn’t as good as his predecessors.

"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan

by PeteRoc on Jun 17, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought everyone figured out by now..this is a failed strategy ("the fab 5 in the NBA") and has never worked

“Trying to build a championship team with all players about the same age” Especially young..

Derrick is ready (like Rondo) to win now coupled together with an experience 1st and/or 2nd option and hungry veterans and others young-2-mid career talented competitive role players.

Stupid guys (Paxdorf), always trying to shoot for the stars “dynasties” and can’t even hit the side of a barn (i.e..500 winning percentage or playing playoff basketball in late May).

Just try to win one championship and don’t worry about the next year. Take one year at a time. These PaxsStupid 5 year projection plans will never work out, because its to many variables that can’t be controlled.

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still drafting on potential.?? The Bulls aren't the Lakers and Mullens aint quite Bynum -

Can we say “Brad Sellers”..who has the same attributes “very skilled big man” with potential but who lacks toughness and motivation to not be pushed out of the block. If B.J was pushed around in college ball, then players in the NBA are all stronger and bigger, even guards. This timid trait is the one (primary) major trait that should be avoided at all cost by the baby cows.

I see nothing good here if it happens. Please draft one of the badest, meanest dudes still available on the board because this team is already loaded with softies

Busted pick is very logical, because this is when Paxsdorf/Gar make the stupidest mistakes anyway…

man up!

by exult463 on Jun 16, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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