The Wolves Do Not Want Kirk Hinrich
When asked about rumored trades, he mentioned Kirk Hinrich whom he described as a nice player who makes too much money. He said Hinrich is not what the team is looking for offensively
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That's the same way I describe Kirk.
I guess we should have talked him up more. Do I smell a Kirk appreciation thread in the works? We really should have gotten rid of him once we signed Rose. The economy has since tanked and he isn’t as attractive.
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by cranscape on Jun 12, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it was harder to get rid of him when we got rose
he was being paid a bit more, he had come off a worse season….the economy was tanking since before we had rose…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 12, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With everyone blaming
Gordon and Deng for the bad season last summer Hinrich was coming out smelling like roses. We could have marketed him as a starting PG who just needed new scenery due to our amazing luck at getting the number one pick.
And last summer no one thought the economy would be bad this long. Sure, gas was expensive, but the other shoe hadn’t dropped yet. If we could have seen the bad economy stretch off into the distance would we have signed Deng to 70+ mil? No one saw how bad it was going to get. That was Hinrich’s top value time. Then he got injured. Came off the bench when he got better. Economy tanked. Cap decreased. One big harry fur ball.
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by cranscape on Jun 12, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
it seemed to me like Gordon and Hinrich (our “midget backcourt”) got most of the blame for last year, and Deng got off pretty easy.
by darksmokepuncher on Jun 13, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say everyone got their fair share of the blame
The biggest culprits were Skiles and Wallace, the younger players pretty much just followed their example.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles got blamed for giving up.
Wallace for sucking and contributing to locker room problems. Gordon for selfishness. Deng for not being as good as he was in the Miami series. Hinrich…he could always fall back one some excuses about being tired because he was always guarding the taller guard blah blah blah. I don’t remember him getting bashed a lot and if he was he was 4 or 5 down on the list of offenders. Since expectations have been so low he gets praised for his handful of good games and then forgotten or excused the rest of his season.
Further evidence of this…last off season people were saying Kirk was good enough to be our starting 2 guard and that we shouldn’t sign Gordon because of it. And that was despite the horrible season we had just come off of. Yeah, I don’t think Kirk was anywhere near the top of the list for the blame if that was the common thought.
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by cranscape on Jun 13, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk was blamed alot
there were plenty of “we need a better pg who doesnt just dribble in one spot” posts not to mention the birth of the nickname “mopey iowan” the whole team was being insulted “gordon cant defend and is a streaky shooter” “Deng is Soft now that defenses pay attention to him” “Noch is a over-zeolous chucker” etc. When derrick rose was drafted, aside from me and a few others (like four others) everyone was waving bye to hinrich, it was a very depressing time as a hinrich fan….
i think you (or maybe its me) maybe a bit biased in your thoughts of how the blame is distributed. From what i understand most people last year and even this year couldnt care less if the entire team was traded, so long as its not rose (and possibly noah). From what i understand i dont think anyone on this team was without blame last season. Gordon only got teh “get him gone” chants cuz he was working for a contract, deng had a phenom year where he was getting more media attention than any bull since the dynasty year, hinrich had detractors but the pg position was the hardest to replace and hinrich was still alright as a starting pg with his contract at the time. Once d. rose (or rather just landing the number 1 pick) came to the bulls all of that changed and hinrich became the odd man out.
Yes there were people who wanted him to start with derrick, but the reason for that is the same as it is now. Defense…plus since gordon hadnt had his contract done and it was considered more important to sign deng….but it wasnt that people gave hinrich a pass or didnt recognise his poor play. Also it wasnt sure how good d.rose would be off the bat.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more of the Chicago media
than the people posting here. We are a pretty tiny community in comparison and relatively sane. From what I remember the shit list in the media was: Skiles (giving up on the team), Wallace (sucking and stirring up the locker room), Gordon (selfish), Deng (not as good as the Miami series), Noah/Tyrus (not developing and for bad behavior off court), and then maybe Kirk. People here were ripping Kirk as well as on podcasts, but the regular media hardly touched him in favor of everyone else ahead of him in their shit list. Which is why I think we still could have spun him as an awesome, though redundant PG needing a new team when we stumbled upon Rose. Getting benched, getting injured, and getting hit with the economy can’t exactly be expected, but then again you should trade when a guy is high and he wasn’t going to get any higher off the bench no matter what happened to Gordon.
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by cranscape on Jun 13, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
now i get where you are coming from….
indeed….although i do think the blogabull community is alot larger and its voice is more accurate than that of any chicago newspaper currently is….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, about that Blazers offer of Blake and a pick for Hinrich...
by Norsktroll on Jun 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is, people are trying to get rid of their late picks this year.
I still think sending him to you makes the most sense, though. That backcourt would be incredible.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 13, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has very little to do with just the economy
I think the twolves dont seem themselves as a real competing team, and hinrich doesnt help them much at all, they need a star player, not a complimentary piece like hinrich. Portland will go for hinrich cuz they have the team they need to compete, they need better per d and just a bit of an upgrade at the pg spot. I think the minnny dream was more or less a chicago biased dream…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agree..
I agree, Kirk going to Minny never seem to make any sense. This is no reason to panic, at least not yet. Now if we continue to be stuck with Deng and also no takers for Kirk then we’ll just play it out with this team, minus Gordon.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 13, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guy sounds smart
realistic about his team, his players and ours. seems a major improvement if he’s calling the shots there in lieu of mchale now.
they have a star in jefferson. just need size up front and improved back court.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Jun 12, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
guy sounds smart-that's what I was thinking
or perhaps it was the candor. I wonder if we could get some?
by hlac on Jun 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. That was a breath of fresh air. And I don't even care about the Wolves that much...
How many guys would be so frank? He describes the team’s big haul from the draft (no pun intended) last year as a guy whose ceiling is just below All-Star level. Refreshing!
GarPaxdorf seem to do everyhing in a passive-aggressive manner. It never seems so straight-forward with our franchise.
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by bullhockey on Jun 12, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
womp womp womp
I was watching the 1995 Playoffs VS the Magic's and remembered how much I hated Horace Grant. Horace Grant - i hope you burn in bball hell
by Belize on Jun 12, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich to Portland in ’09.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably .. Kirk backing up Rose in 09
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 13, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on Kahn's other remarks....
I definitely appreciate the honesty, but at the same time, I think its that line of thinking that dooms so many organizations. Allow me to clarify by using an example,
A year ago, did anyone think Trevor Ariza was the 3rd best player on a championship team?*
A few years ago, Shawn Marion was the 3rd best player on a title-contending team, and now he’s starting to just bounce around the league. He is by no means a bad basketball player, but he performed at his best in a certain system. Maybe instead of putting a cap on just how good his players can be (especially his rookie, who I foolishly thought would be a bust), he should be more concerned about finding a good coach, and watching a somewhat healthy team for a full season. Then, he can evaluate all he wants.
*Note: I think Lamar Odom is the better overall player, but Ariza has been as good as just about anyone in these playoffs.
by darksmokepuncher on Jun 13, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Maybe Jefferson and Love aren’t franchise players, but I thought it was odd that he was looking at Thabeet in the draft, which means Jefferson/Love moves to the bench.
by YaoPau on Jun 13, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I didn't get that either.
Does he think Thabeet is the #1 or the #3 option on a championship team? Because as far as offense goes, I think Thabeet would be #5 at best. I also wouldn’t move either Love or Jefferson to the bench for Thabeet.
His whole outlook just doesn’t seem realistic to me. If it were as simple as “go out and get #1 scorer through draft/free agency”, I would like to think that the Twolves and just about every other team in the NBA would’ve done so a long time ago.
by darksmokepuncher on Jun 13, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see him saying it was easy to do, but the fact that it's hard to do doesn't mean it isn't simple!
Likewise, I wouldn’t touch Thabeet at #5, but if you’re convinced none of the other guys available are any better, you gotta pick the best you can get.
by Sports2 on Jun 13, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought all his comments about K. Love were odd
You consider him only a 4th option? already? I don’t think Kevin Love is going to be some great player but I don’t think you should just pigeon hole a guy like that, especially at the start of his career. He also seems way too focused on scoring. Judging by his comments though, I wouldn’t be suprised if Minnesota picked Curry. They seem to be looking for more perimeter scoring. I think they need someone to run the team, but I understand not wanting to give up a 6 pick for Hinrich. Maybe that is why Curry is shutting down workouts. To discourage the Timberwolves.
by Basketball Smurf on Jun 13, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza still isn't the 3rd best player on a championship team. Kobe, Gasol, and Odom are all better than he is. He
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by fundamentallysound on Jun 13, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woops
“He is about on the same level in terms of importance as Old Man Fisher.”
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Jun 13, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if we're actually disagreeing
as is put in the ‘note’, I think Odom is the best player, but Ariza is playing better than him in these playoffs.
If that is what you are disagreeing with, then my mistake on the extra comment.
by darksmokepuncher on Jun 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Ariza has been pretty clutch in these playoffs, and hitting threes at a rate of over 50% while providing good D.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on Jun 13, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
When Ariza was sitting on the Knick’s bench before his Orlando episode,
“I’d prefer him over Deng even at that time” ..
“I’d preferred Portland’s Outlaw over Deng over a year ago”
But this statment is in hindsight, it’s just I never quite thought of Deng as any option except as an option for the backup SF/PF position.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 13, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the Magic didn't realize they were Finals bound...
I think hinrich would look really nice on that team right about now. Even when Nelson is healthy, I think he’s overrated.
by smash! on Jun 13, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No! don't agree on either point. Nelson is just not quite their yet after the injury and off time
Similarly the great MJ came back near season’s end (after father’s death and trying baseball) to return to enter the playoffs in 95, and the Bulls loss to Orlando with MJ on the team, not quite in sync with the team and the competition. The next three years in a row the unbeatable Bulls won as MJ was back in form. Nelson is effective offensively and running the team when he’s in sync. Defensely Kirk in stretches can be better, but not so much offensively.
Actually I think Rafer Alston is playing ok, one really bad game, then one really good game. Kirk’s consistency, and his shooting funks are nothing to jump for joy about. Alston actually is running the offense in the fast pace that Orlando needs, not pounding the ball continuelly to the earth, the coach (SVG) should have played Alston in the 4th quarter of game 4 and not Nelson.
man up!
by exult463 on Jun 13, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SVG shouldn't have played Nelson so much in Game 1 either.
Alston’s very … easy to get in the head of, and I think SVG kind of doomed himself a bit by playing Nelson so much.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on Jun 13, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
not sure hinrich would have worked well, but it would be interesting. He can at least shoot the ball. I do think Nelson is over-rated though. Not based on him being hurt now- I know he is- but just based on seeing him play alot in the past.
by smash! on Jun 14, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree he's overrated, but only because it's off of half of a season of being really good.
Okay, 1 1/2 seasons of being good, but interspersed w/ three mediocre seasons. If he can do next year what he was doing this year (and did in his second year), I don’t think he’ll be overrated anymore. Unless, of course, he gets even more hype.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson
has destroyed the teams chemistry. He’s got Alston playing tight and looking over his shoulder. Only by last night had Pietrus returned to his former minutes/form. You cant jerk a team around like that and expect it to adjust in one or two games.
by Cannoli on Jun 14, 2009 1:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kahn's comments and Gordon
I love this article (rec). Kahn does seem realistic and a huge upgrade from McHale. He is correct about Hinrich.
We are in the mist of a 3 year struggle about what price to sign Gordon. If we signed Hinrich for $7 mil per year then I suggest many of us would be happier with Hinrich’s play. Before the 2007-8 debacle of a season there was little debate about signing Deng to a large contract. Most of us now question does his play justify the contract. I love Salmons play, but I love Salmons play with him being paid $6 mil per year. I would view Salmons differently if he was getting paid $10 mil per year. It is easy to complain about Reinsdorf because he is not willing to pay the $10 – $13 mil a year that Gordon wants. However signing Gordon close to Gordon’s price risks having a similar thread to this one in a year or two about how other teams don’t want Gordon because he is overpaid.
Use of salary is a key part of winning in the NBA. Going over the cap is just one piece of salary. Valuing and paying players appropriately is critical. Fans, including myself, want players signed because we like the players but often minimize the damage to the team when they are overpriced. The Gordon debate continues.
by chgobr on Jun 14, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
meanwhile
the Lakers just won the title with a lot of overpaid players.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
Gordon’s never had the ‘really bad’ season Hinrich has and he hasn’t been injured near as much as Deng. If Gordon were to make $12 million a year and continued doing what he’s doing, it would be harder to trade him than if he were paid $ 9 million (duh, tyger), but not impossible at all.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The TWolves don't want Kirk?
Bosh likes Miami? BG is gone?
Well did you really wanna win a title anyways?80% of the players are high and don’t listen to the coaches. There’s basketball IQ. Tweeter Shaq.You’re the best team in this freak show circus where David Stern hands you a gold basketball hoop. It’s a poop trophy.
Just enjoy being the young and up and coming team every season that always falls short and every now and then gets a #1 pick and a dumb coach. Keep your Jordan memories close. It’s all good.
by SoulEater7 on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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