How Long till the Draft?

by wjb1492 on May 9, 2009 11:03 PM CDT Comment 30 comments

So it turns out this is kind of hard. Not that I ever thought it was easy for Matt to find stuff to post during the offseason, but it is harder than I expected. The local beat writers aren't putting much, if anything, out. Draft coverage hasn't hit high gear yet. One of the main stories of the playoffs so far has been the refs, but that feels pretty stale at this point after suffering through our own reffing controversies during the first round.

Well, how about Google? Surely at least one of the players is doing something interesting someplace, right? Only not so much. Kirk and Brad keep showing up in articles about the latest foul controversy, as if Rondo's physical assaults are something we want to keep reliving. Derrick's been dropping pucks, but that's been covered in the FanShots already (although that's a nice article about him at bulls.com). Some other dude (side note: when I proofread this I found that I'd written "some other dud." I swear it wasn't intentional) named Aaron Gray recently lost his mother to lung cancer - which is really sad, but not Bulls related. Anthony Roberson and Lindsey Hunter show up about as often on Google as they did in the Bulls' boxscores. Vinny did a job this year.

But surely Ben will save us, right? He always steps up in crunch time, so how could there not be a great story just waiting to be Googled and posted here for our discussion? Can I make something out of him liking lobster flatbread and truffles? Maybe send you over to our old friend Andrew's blog to read his lengthy recap of Ben's "Bulls MVP" season? Or there's some dud (intentional this time) out in San Francisco offering this:

The team that ponies up even $10 million a year for Gordon, a one-dimensional scorer, is likely to regret it.

Gee, there's something we haven't debated before. And does anyone else get a little indignant when non-Bulls fans want to offer their opinions on Ben and his contract situation?

So I've got nothing. And having nothing, I resort to my old friend, statistics. I thought this was kind of fun, seeing all these stats for everyone in this format, and if nothing else it's highly colorful. [Edited to add - as has been pointed out in the comments, the chart really is nothing but colorful; it includes full season stats from guys that were traded to Chicago midseason and leaves out stats for guys who were traded away. The game-by-game charts are cool, though. Oh, well - kind of fits the mood of the rest of the post now! :-)]

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Andrew has a blog?

Im trying to read this chart…well I like the colors. It’s kinda misleading because your eye is drawn to the bolder colors. Aaron Gray’s is pretty. BG had 279 assists. I will assume the barf green is Tyrus. Interesting.

by SoulEater7 on May 9, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i like the colors too.

I also like how the 6’3 guard who can’t rebound had a higher proportion of the Bulls rebounds (16.88%) than he did assists (16.21%). Amazery.

by Ghost of Guyton on May 9, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

obviously i was referring to Gordon

by Ghost of Guyton on May 10, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you're math is wrong.

283 of 3451 is 8.2% of the Bulls rebounds.

by Scotter on May 10, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, you're right.

I made the really, really, REALLY stupid mistake of just adding the two percentages together.

by Ghost of Guyton on May 10, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and it's ok,

because YOUR use of “you’re” was wrong.

/feels slightly less stupid

by Ghost of Guyton on May 10, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

it took me a good ten minutes

to realize that article wasn’t about our Aaron Gray.

by Ghost of Guyton on May 9, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I looked at that chart for ten minutes trying to figure out how the hell Tyrus Thomas didn't have any stats

Stupid Tim Thomas.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 10, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and...

the chart is just plain wrong. For whatever reason, the totals for Salmons/Miller are from their time with Sacramento. I knew something was amiss when I saw Salmons with 196 assists, which of course would have had to come in 25 games. And the Hawks have a better chance at coming back against the Cavs than Salmons has at averaging 8 assists per game.

by Ghost of Guyton on May 10, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it makes a nice quilt.

by SoulEater7 on May 10, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, they included full season stats for the guys who finished the season on the Bulls

And no stats for guys who were traded away. I should have thought about that before I put it up. Now you can all rip on the lousy temp blogger instead – it’s still something to discuss, and I was ready to settle for anything. ;)

They have charts like that after every game that I kind of like looking at – but of course that would be easier to get the players right.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 10, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

at least you didn't accidently type you're instead of your.

That would have killed all you’re credibility.

by Scotter on May 10, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs

Eh, I figure you guys already know I'm an idiot

Now I just get to be an idiot on the front page, and in living color. :) Maybe everyone will be too busy with their mothers tomorrow to read BaB?

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 10, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AH

How did I forget mothers day….I saw a ton of people over by the cards section should of been able to put that together. (Hmm black eye pea pie may suffice)

Anyway I thought it was self explanatory (the chart). Not like you made it yourself or went into details that were completely off.
Though you got me on the Aaron Gray bit.

by Camry on May 10, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I get your joke Scotter.

I get you’re joke.

by SoulEater7 on May 10, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, I'm really batting a thousand today

I get it now. (Further confirming that I am, in fact, an idiot!)

All but the most blatant humor is lost on me after midnight, at least since I started getting old.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 10, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wjb1492

I think you’re doing a fine job! Nobody thinks you’re dumb. I say keep it coming don’t let the blog go stale.

by SoulEater7 on May 10, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wjb1492 keep trying

This is the most difficult part of the year for me. It is too early to count the days before the season starts, about 170 days, and too early before the July free agent moves that will capture my attention. This year the draft really doesn’t interest me except for the possibility we trade one of the 1st round picks and ?? to open salary cap for BG. I thought Carmelo’s three yesterday was something but I miss our Bullies. The player I want most is Bosh but so does the rest of the league. LeBron and Wade are going no where. I cannot believe there is an aspect of the Ben Gordon situation we haven’t scrutinized from every conceivable angle. This time of the year I am detoxing from my Bullies. Nice try with the chart and keep trying to come up with thought provoking ideas.

by chgobr on May 10, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The chart and playoff shares...

Your weirdo chart made me think of the playoff shares the players earned…I know the players vote on who will receive a share, any word on how they voted? It would be cold is someone like Noc got voted a share, but Ruffin or Hughes did not…maybe none of the former Bulls got voted a share…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on May 10, 2009 7:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I haven't seen anything about it.

It really does feel like there’s been a lot less immediate-post-season coverage this year, doesn’t it? Or maybe it just feels that way every year, but I forget how painful the empty days are during each season?

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who the hell is L. Deng?

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on May 10, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tracy McGrady, young Grant Hill and Gibert Arenas's buddy (or body)..

These guys will go down in history (with others) making the most money in the NBA per actual game played!

With one exception, theses guys actually produce notable numbers and clutch victories at one point in their careers to leverage unduely large contracts, but Luol got his contract on potential only, a number of lightly defended mid-range jumpers, average+ defender, being labeled a good guy, 1st euro/sudan nba-olympia player?, and his dependency on teammate Ben Gordon hitting clutch shots over the years..

Actually Luol hasn’t never showed more than being a excessively paid good reserve at SF, Paxsdorf never knew this because they didn’t have a bonafide competitive real starting SF over the last 4 years. Now with Salmons, probably more of a SG, but can play some SF…. eyes are finally open..

That’s who L. Deng is!

man up!

by exult463 on May 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately you are correct

I hope some of Deng’s potential converts into production next season or we will be complaining about his contract for years to come.

by chgobr on May 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope he is itching to get back on the court to face NBA players!

man up!

by exult463 on May 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Draft fodder to move up higher!

Yet, Kirk might have to swallow that pill (more favorable contract) for Deng. Heck Gordon’s swallowed it last summer.

Seems to me.. that Luol Deng is a blessed man, everyone other player has to make sacrifices for him!

But, he’ll have his day in court to prove himself… innocent or guilty?

a good life long reserver or a complimentry SF ranked in top ten SF in league at his contract money?

man up!

by exult463 on May 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does trading Tyrus or Kirk get us a lottery pick worth the effort or loss?

.. I know if we could get Blake Griffin, but that’s a pipe dream…

man up!

by exult463 on May 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, I thought Hinrich contributed a lot more to 3P FGs

That’s a little depressing to know that John Salmons had more of an impact on her.

by NittanyCub on May 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The chart's wrong on all the midseason trades

He had 126 total 3s, but only 49 with the Bulls by my count – which means that the 77 the chart gives him credit for are the 3s he made for Sacramento before the trade. Same with all the other numbers it looks like. Brad and Anthony Roberson’s, numbers, too – but Tim Thomas’s just look flat out wrong.

As far as comparing that to Kirk, they were really close on a per minute basis, with Kirk making 1.9 of 4.5 per 36 minutes and John barely behind that with 1.8 of 4.3 per 36 minutes.

Maybe I’ll try to make a similar chart, only with correct numbers for games with the Bulls only. I’m not all web-savvy though, so I wouldn’t know how to begin going about making that little arrow and pop-up box that let you explore the numbers – that’s the part I thought was pretty cool. But I could make a spread sheet that looed similar with all the colors….

I guess that’s what I get for assuming a site devoted to stats would get the numbers right. (Probably not the kind of publicity the dude was looking for when he said his charts could be posted as long as credit was given, huh?)

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 10, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs