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Let Ben Go – Make whatever changes necessary to improve roster.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on May 5, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
see, all polls should have an 'I have a deranged dislike for Ben Gordon' option.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha...
I suppose the polls should also have an “I have an irrational love for Ben Gordon” option too…oh, wait, I think that was the point of the poll…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on May 5, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No sign and trades, no advantages for letting Gordon go besides the cap space?
That’s not rational.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on May 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
The problem...is choice..
sorry….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I thought that was Neil Peart
Either way…Rush rules.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
I think ideally, we try to keep both of them and pay the luxury tax
But our owner is too cheap to do that
So your ideal situation is to not be a contender?
by TruEChiFaN... on May 5, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
We can be a contender with our current players
You saw how well we played after the Salmons/Miller trade. With a whole season we would have been at least 4th seed, if not higher. And if our young players improve, especially Rose and Noah, we’ll be even better. And even better if we get a better coach.
I don't know about that...
They were terrible on the road after the trade, didn’t play defense, and lost a playoff series to a team hobbled by injuries…
We have been down this road with the Bulls, stand pat and hope our young players improve…and that team won 33 games…and these players (except Rose) are not that young.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
The Bulls still only +2 point differential per 100 possessions.
in the 2nd half of the season. A 4th seed and contender aren’t the same thing.
Add a better coach
and if somehow tyrus learns how to use his athleticism for dunking as much as blocking, then i think we got something better. Tyrus if he ever got the mentality, has the tools to be a lebron james stopper. His athleticism make him quick and explosive.
Luol Deng with the right system can be an efficient scoring machine giving you 18-20.
Bg just becomes a magnet for great peremeter defenders because if he gets going…(you know the rest).
D-rose can be the lebron james of pgs.
Salmons can be an awesome sixth man along with kirk, two guys who make it easier for our other 3 starters (rose, gordon, deng) to play aggressively since there will be two extremely talented players coming off the bench.
Salmons gets more aquainted with his new team and thier playing styles, hinrich spends more time on practicing shooting 3s and making layups as well as his defense. Noah bulks up and learns some veteran defensive savy from miller. Gray loses another 40 lbs, and becomes a guy we can throw out there ala sweetney.
That is true ideal
I think thats at least a contender for the eastern conference championship
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Totally agree
Remember, two years ago, under Skiles we were good enough without Rose and Noah to get the 4th seed and get to the second round of the playoffs. Now, we replaced Wallace and Nocioni with Miller and Salmons, and added Rose and Noah. With a good coach, we can be a way better team than 2 years ago. I’m not sure how you techically define a contender, but I think we can be playing in the eastern conference finals for the next several years with our team and a better coach.
I'm so tired of the "Deng in the right system" thing.
Deng just better get his ass out there and play ball. Cut the excuses. Gordon just plays, Salmonst just plays, Hinrich just plays, Rose just plays, etc… Deng needs to get his ass back on the court (in a Bulls uniform and not GB) and just play. Get out there and run with Derrick Rose and be the recipient of the easy offense Rose will provide for everyone as he gets better.
As for the coach thing, I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!! Del Negro should be somebody’s assistant, but not the head coach of this team. A HUGE part of the overdribbling problems that Gordon and Salmons have is this nothing ass offense Del Negro runs. And defensively?? I think he wants to emulate the Suns. Well that might be fun to watch but that no defense style of ball doesn’t win championships so I ain’t wit’ it.
TEACH SOME DAMN DEFENSE!!! Derrick Rose could be one of the best two way players in the league but he’s gotta have a coach show him something about defense.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Deng can't score off isos.
Our whole offence is isos.
I see a problem here …
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
You are right on the money.
But he’s here and the Bulls will be shelling out a lot of money to him so he better figure out something. IMO though, Deng is simply not the guy you build an offense around. At his best he’s only given the Bulls 18 and 8 – with the exception of a 7 or 8 game stretch in the 2006-2007 playoffs when he had an out of body experience – and you don’t build offenses around that guy. He had better learn to get in where he fits in.
On another note, if he used the summers to work on his post up game and some iso stuff instead of donning the GB uniform the last few summers then he might be of more use to the Bulls at this point. I’m not saying he’s useless because that’s far from the case. But the Bulls need more out of Deng than he’s given them.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 8, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it would be great for him to work on iso stuff
but it’s not fair that we don’t try to work him in better, we need a real offense. i think he was finally starting to get in the groove when he came back in january, avging 17.5 pts and 8.5 rebounds before he got hurt again. i believe he can do it if he’s fully healthy. so hopefully he tells GB no this summer and makes sure he comes back 100%.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I chose other
SIGN AND TRADE FOR BOSH PUHLEEZE!!!!!!!!!!! Ive already done it in 2k9, ( i restarted an association mode cuz my team was too good it was boring, i fast forwarded a year, bg wants 12 mil a year, i dont remember the exact salary numbers, but it was 5 years and the first year was a bit over 12) and man let me tell you, bosh is kik ass. He can score in the pain, but you cant give him the ball and let him pound his man in since most centers/pfs are stronger than him. However, man is his mid range money, and he is a beat on the glass and passing the ball.
Again sign and trade gordon and also send tyrus and a future first rounder to toronto. Then in 2010 sign a great sg, and we are set!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on May 5, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i'm with the picster...
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
Dream scenario in my book.
Well, no I guess a dream scenario is to somehow get Bosh and keep Gordon. But you know what I mean.
I'm sure Paxdorf would do that in a heartbeat.
If only it was that easy…
Keep Gordon unless...
you’re going to make a pitch for D-Wade. Problem is, what does this Bulls team look like without Gordon? Who’s going to fill that scoring void? Would a Bosh or a D-Wade (gasp both?) want to play for a depleted but overachieving team?
We’ve got to find a way to get out from under the cap in any case unless we can sign and trade one of our big salaries (Hinrich, Deng)…
What scoring void?
I don’t understand that logic…how did Houston replace the scoring void created by the injured McGrady? The just did…there are other players on the team who will happily share those 16 available shots per night…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
They had yao ming
If derrick rose suddenly “gets it” and learns how to go to the line at will, then we might have something. We can then run our offense through d-rose, with guys like hinrich, salmons, and deng open for Jumpers, noah under the rm for a quick catch and dunk, and tyrus close enough for a catch and shoot, or one dribble dunk, or dare is say ALLEY OOP!!!!!!
But the rockets didnt just lose thier main scoring option, mcgrady just handled the ball more than anyone else and the offense ran through him, even though yao was there they never really learned to share.
The 76ers had a bunch of young players with high ceiling, when a.i. left then thaddeus young and iggy were given the room to grow.
the pistons got rid of billups to give stuckey the “keys to the car” (as well as financial reasons) and its doing something
my main concern isnt so much scoring void, a good team adapts and makes it possible for others to score. the problem is consistency and mentality. No one else on this team had it. I say had, because i think salmons might at least have that mentality to score, and d.rose has it and needs to hone it.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Yeah also
The Rockets got better. Everyone kept talking about them “choking” in previous seasons but that team is loaded. And still they have the Van Gundy defensive philosophy on the brain. They aren’t a team looking to put up 100.
We’re looking to out score our opponent more so and push it. Especially with them having Yao. But I still thought with T-Mac they were a contender but I seriously didn’t think he’d get injured again.
very nice
i agree with your point about how we are looking to push it and outscore opponents, actually i didnt think of it at all until i read it….good point
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Teams are a reflection of their leaders.
This Houston team should have a championship by now. But with McGrady as their leader they were going nowhere because as talented as T-Mac is, he simply is not a winner…along the same lines as a guy like Vince Carter. Who would deny that these two are supreme talents? Nobody. But their leadership and their desire to win never matched their talent. So Houston went about it the wrong way trying to do everything through McGrady. They should have been running the offense through Yao for years (even dating back to the Steve Francis/Cuttino Mobley days of freezing Yao out).
So the issue really isn’t even about scoring. It’s about the mentality of the team.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Then we're set!
Because Pax only drafts “winners” – he even reiterated recently what a winner Joakim is. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
You forget the talent part.
And that’s where the Bulls are sorely lacking. Yeah I said McGrady wasn’t a winner…but NEVER would you see me say McGrady isn’t talented. Got more talent in his left pinky than 5/6ths of the Bulls roster.
You need to be a winner and possess talent to win. Derrick Rose is exactly that and going forward I have complete confidence that this young man will lead the Bulls to great heights (assuming ownership puts capable pieces around him).
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's tough to know sometimes how much is other guys not wanting to shoot
and how much is going with the gameplan for Ben to shoot. And I’m not saying that’s a bad gameplan when you’ve got Ben on your team, necessarily, because he does have a propensity to make some crazy shots and doesn’t mind putting them up. On the other hand, we’ve all griped about the Bulls changing how they play offense and not moving the ball around at the end of games, and maybe if they’re coached toward that if it turns out that we don’t have Ben to rely on, that mentality to score will emerge.
Basically, while it’s kind of scary to imagine the offense without Ben since he’s been such a big part, I think it’d also be really interesting to see what other guys do with different roles, or more accurately an expanded scoring role.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
You make good points, but keep in mind...
…that all great teams have a player or two on their team who can make something out of nothing when the offense grinds to a halt…and that happens all the time down the stretch. What’s a big reason the Bulls lost game 5 of the Celtics series? Paul Pierce MURDERED the Bulls in isolation when they needed big buckets. You run the offense but when that clock winds down for a team with no reliable post option, you damn sure better have guys who are “shotmakers” and Ben Gordon is indeed that. As Derrick Rose progresses, he will become the #1 guy for us at doing that but for the time being, Ben Gordon is that guy (and has been for 5 years now). We already know that Deng is not the guy who can do this unless he’s set up for something. Hinrich tries but struggles. Salmons has proven capable of being a shot maker but how much of it is predicted on him getting single covered because nobody wants to leave Gordon open at this point?
Bottom line is in today’s game it is vital to have a guy who is the type of threat that Gordon is.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
But with that line of thinking,
if Ben chooses greener pastures this offseason, you’ve got nothing to be optimistic about heading into next season.
Since I have no control over what Ben and the team do, I’m staying happy by focusing on the theoretical positives of either outcome. At a bare minimum, this way I push my misery off till next season actually gets here.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I deal in the concrete and not the abstract.
While certainly hoping that something trasnpires that turns the Bulls into champhionship contenders, I have no illusions about this roster of ours (nor did I have any championship illusions when Skiles had the Bulls playing with “balls to the wall” effort). Before, the Bulls were simply a team that played hard…but when more talented teams played just as hard then the Bulls didn’t stand a chance. When this current Bulls pteam lay well (translation = shoot well) they can compete with anybody. But the Bulls simply do not have enough outright talent to withstand the storms of bad shooting or scoring droughts to be legitimate contenders in this league and in order to win in this league you need multiple players capable of pulling you through those situations. When the offense goes south…or when it comes time in the game to throw the offense out the window because only certain guys should be touching the ball (Be it isolations, two man game, etc…), every contender needs to have a few players who can thrive under those circumstances.
Derrick Rose will soon be one of those guys so that’s step #1….hell, he probably already is one of those guys. Other than that, as it stands, Ben Gordon is the ONLY other guy who the opposition respects – and at times fears – each time he steps on the court because he is potentially very dangerous. But until the Bulls get at least one more of these type of guys on this team (and he’s gotta be a big) then Chicago may as well get us to being 5, 6 and 7 seeds because the Bulls will stay slightly better than mediocre and irrelevant.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that teams need a player or two who can something out of nothing.
And I agree that Ben Gordon has shown that he can be that player…
My issue is with the value that player has in relation to the salary cap…Paul Pierce killed the Bulls in game 5 and was the finals MVP last year…he was the best player for a championship team in the post season…his value is established. Eddie House killed the Bulls in game 7, he is a role playing shooter coming off the bench…his value is also established…
Ben Gordon’s value falls somewhere between the two of those…he is not an all star, will never be finals MVP, but he is bit more of a baller than Eddie House…So, I would be all for keeping BG if the price were right, but he has established in the past, that he will not accept that price.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
It's a lot easier to do what Eddie House did when...
…the defense has gotta be concerned with Ray Allen’s shooting, Paul Pierce in general and Rajon Rondo’s penetration.
The situation is entirely different. As for Gordon’s value falling somewhere between the House and Pierce, I’d say that’s a no brainer. But seeing as though House is nothing more than a spot up shooter, do you think that Eddie House could do for the Bulls what Ben Gordon does for the Bulls? I don’t. But do you think Gordon could do for the Celtics what House does? I have no doubt he could. And House didn’t exactly “KILL” the Bulls in game 7 seeing as though he only had 16 and was the third or fourth leading scorer for them that game (it’s not like he had 42 pts or 51 pts or something like that), but he made some big shots.
Again though, I’ll go to the Jason Terry argument. Terry made $9M this year and is scheduled to make more in the years to come. Gordon is AT LEAST as good as Jason Terry and would produce similar if not better numbers than Terry does if they switched roles.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Ben Gordon like Jason Terry?
I don’t see similarities in either their game or their role on the team…I see Kirk Hinrich and Jason Terry, and Kirk makes that kind of money…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Their role on the team is what I'm talking about.
If Terry makes $9M then Gordon is definitely worth at least that much. Both undersized SG’s, both tough as nails down the stretch, both have haters that want to keep them coming off the bench (although Dallas has 3 All-Stars in their starting lineup so I can see Terry doing it). At the very least Gordon is as good as Terry.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hesistant to put my trust in the mentality of a career 8.8 ppg guy.
When i already know Gordon has the mentality of a scorer and is more than capable. Surround Rose and Gordon with better talent and you have the makings of a top 5 backcourt in the NBA because both their games will bloom (no pun intended). Rose and Gordon are the two players on the Bulls team with the most natural ability and talent (as opposed to Noah who isn’t naturally gifted but has made himself indespensible for this Bulls team nonetheless). If you add a top notch offensive big to the mix then the Bulls will be ready to contend.
I was one of the guys who didn’t want to get rid of Thomas (still don’t in truth), but his position on the court is the one we REALLY need some offense out of. I’d love to see him develop into a double double guy and consistent offensive threat but I just don’t know if it’s going to happen (I place part of the blame for that on the fact that coaches in Chicago have mishandled this kid since he’s been here).
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
When AI left the 76’ers, they got BETTER, ie, their W/L record improved. Imagine that.
So now we're comparing BG to Iverson and McGrady?
Give me a break. I can’t compare Gordon to Ray Allen or Michael Redd without people calling me crazy, yet now Gordon is on the same plane as HOF-caliber players who just couldn’t accept limited roles as the years progressed.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
When your game is predicated on defense and you can keep teams from scoring 95 pts on you...
…then having scorers is not as important. Plus they do have a perennial all-star and another all star caliber player. The Bulls don’t have that to fall back on. If the Bulls could let Gordon go and still field a team with 2 all-star level players who could fill it up on any given night then they wouldn’t be where they are now.
Hell, until Derrick Rose got here, Gordon has been the closest thing the Bulls have had to an all-star caliber player.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I said other, just because I think at this point that oversimplifies things
In a vacuum I’d say keep both and pay the tax, but that could easily change depending on what offers there are for Kirk and how much money Ben will take to sign. But absent an immediate chance to upgrade in the front court, I’d rather have both to start next season.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on May 5, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
It’d be nice to keep Gordon, and we can’t just get rid of Hinrich without getting a good backup for Rose. Pax has to look at ways he can try to upgrade the team, but a shakeup should only take place if a clear upgrade is possible.
I love Hinrich's game. I really do, and I don't want to see him go.
Heart, hustle, grit, etc….
How can you not love the energy this guy brings to the table. Having said that, Derrick Rose will be playing 40+ mpg for the next 6 or 7 years, and that makes having a $9M/yr backup pretty pointless….especially when a contract that size can keep the Bulls from re-signing the guy who has been the most consistent performer for this team over the last 5 years.
Having Hinrich as a backup is a luxury because he’s a starter. And if we’re going to start a 6’3" guy at SG alongside Rose then I’d rather it be Gordon than Hinrich. I’d settle for a lower paid backup who is gonna give me some defensive energy, solid ball handling and the occassional above average game. Basically a guy who can hold down the fort while Rose gets his 3 or 4 minutes of rest. I can live with that.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
yea its really that line of thinking
that got me into wanting to see hinrich in portland. At some point derrick needs to be THE man, not just told he is THE man, but is forced to be it. Having hinrich, i fear, will always give coaches the ability to take rose out of the game in exchange for kirk, and kirk will go out and do his job and rose….relaxes? watches? He needs to put into a position where its “if you dont go out and play well, we WILL lose. We have no one else who can run this team, so y ou have to do it” Is that alot of pressure? HELL YES! But if rose cant handle it, then he isnt who we were hoping he was. I dont know about anyone else here, but i think he can Take it.
Hinrich can go to portland and help them win a championship.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Portland will possibly run into the same...
…problems we have now at some point. They’re gonna have to make decisions on Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Fernandez, Bayless, and Rodriguez. Well, with Roy and Aldridge there really aren’t any decisions to be made. Roy will be maxed out and Aldridge won’t be too far behind. Oden is where things get interesting. He could go one of a few ways from where he is now. Is he Andrew Bynum like in that he can’t get healthy enough to become a factor on a nightly basis? Is he Dikembe Mutombo, destined to be an all-time great defensive center? Is he Sam Bowie and destined to break the hearts of basketball fans everywhere that had hopes of seeing another truly great center?
Greg Oden, interesting case because sometimes he looks like a big bum (he looks that way far too often for my taste). But just think though, if he were a Chicago Bull he’d instantly be the best post player we have…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 7, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, you really need to have a very clear view of the ENTIRE picture
to make a decision like this. Sure, in a vacuum I would just say bring Ben back, but that really oversimplifies things.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on May 5, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
"There are things that we never want to let go of, people we never want to leave behind. But keep in mind that letting go isn’t the end of the world, it’s the beginning of a new life."
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
sign ben, trade hinrich.
We can pick up a quality backup PG and solid 2 or 4. If possible, sign BG to a nice contract that can be packaged wit Kirk for a superstar
:::dreams
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
Other
sign and trade BG.
I also wouldn’t mind going into the tax but its not going to happen
Or a trade
Portland gets: Kirk Hinrich
Bulls get: Blake and a first round pick
resign Ben Gordan
Then
Raptors get: TT there choice of deng or JJ/ Tim Thomas and 3 first round picks
Bulls get: Chris Bosh and Kapono
Who wouldn’t like that?
FIRE VDN
Other...cuz devil's in the details...
The Ben debate comes down to cash…duh, I know… But Ben has said no to $11 mil. I just cannot see going higher than that if a 2010 run is in the cards. I did not read all of Scotter’s post yet, but I think I saw him saying he’d love Ben for $9mil. Not sure I see Gordon taking that but the market will decide I guess… If the FA going rate brings Ben back at a reasonable price at which he splits time at the 2, that would be fantastic…not sure it happens.
And as long as we are talking potential fantasy, I will reassert my pipe dream that the Raptors come to their senses and realize they will not be able to re-sign Bosh. The Bulls can offer a compelling package that includes draft picks and any of the folks that get thrown out in all these discussions (anyone but Rose). Sadly, I don’t think this will come to pass—-though maybe next February.
That’s my vote. Pretty unsatisying as it doesn’t necessarily reflect reality…but posts often don’t at this time of year.
Wow, those poll results are split very closely — 20-25% for the four options choices and some votes for the other option.
I choose trade Hinrich, and let Gordon leave. I’d rather have the cap flexibility.
by NBR on May 5, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wish Hinrich and Gordon
could become one player. That would be a pretty damn good player.
Heh
yea…combine thier skills, add 3 inches, perfect shooting guard
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Linton Johnson plays SF
and Salmons falls back to earth shooting 40% and getting around 15 ppg
That’s a great idea!
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Other:
Sign and Trade Ben Gordon to a team who wants to pay him and we do not lose him for nothing; Trade Hinrich for expiring contracts so we get his bad contract off the books.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Let Ben walk and Trade Kirk
The Time for a sake up is now? We have our future star and we need to build around this young man asap. Bringin in Miller and Salmons was a great band aide for this season but is not the long term fix as we know. Having Derrick onboard and the amount Kirk is getting paid makes Kirk an obivous player to move. Portland keeps being the team we hear most likely to pull the trigger for the Captain. Maybe we can move Kirk and Tyrus for Lamarcus and Blake or Sergio? Not sure if the numbers work out, But for Portland it brings them a tough defensive pointguard and an athletic foward who can give Oden weakside defensive help. For us we get an athletic pointguard who is offensively a little better then Kirk and a forward who can score with his back to the bucket.
By letting BG walk we don’t get caught overpaying another player and would become a legit player in the 2010 free agent sweepstakes. We would have Rose, Deng, Noah and one else on the books if I’m right.
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