The Bulls number one priority this offseason

by chapuforyou on May 3, 2009 8:05 PM CDT Comment 35 comments

There's been great talk that the most important maneuver the Bulls should do is to move Kirk Hinrich somewhere else to create cap space to sign Ben Gordon. While at first glance signing Ben Gordon to a long term deal sounds like a great idea -- the kid can shoot lights out -- it's a bad move.

Remember when the Bulls refused to give up Luol Deng in a Kobe Bryant trade? Remember how great Deng seemed to be then. He was going to be the Bulls "superstar" and wasn't worth trading for an aging superstar who had been in the league 10 plus years.

Deng has failed to be that superstar. You can blame it on injures, but he still isn't producing when he's in the line-up. I'm afraid that if the Bulls sign Gordon to a long term deal, he's definitely not going to excel in his role just like Deng didn't excel in his. I'm not saying that he's going to be injured and waste most of his contract on the bench. I'm saying he might relax a little. Gordon's one of the most hardest working players in the locker room, and who knows whether he stops that rigorous training when he gets his paid. And it's obvious he wants to get paid. He turned down the huge contract in '07.

So, the Bulls number one priority this summer should be too let Ben Gordon go and get his big contract... and then somehow trade for Andres Nocioni

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Is this a joke?

If not, oh my lord you’re gonna to be ripped to shreds.

by smash! on May 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I'm crying on the inside...

and on the outside after reading this post. I have heard people dislike Gordon before, but love for Noc, really? No sarcasm?
I was also very disappointed in the lack of veiled threats against Vinny Del Negro when ….uh…. “taking care of” him should be our top offseason priority.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 3, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

hahaha

by SoulEater7 on May 3, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

smash! and jpchi are right

This post is a complete raping of logic. BG was our leading scorer, averaged a phenomenal 36.3 points per 48 minutes in clutch situations (click here and scroll down for that stat and an explanation of “clutch situations”), and provides instant offense for a team with no offensive scheme other than isolation and opportunism.

As for the Noc comment: look here and scroll down to the 48-minute by position information, where you’ll find that Noc’s counterparts from opposing team averaged nearly a 7 PER against him in Sacramento (4 PER when he was in Chi-town). The man is selfish, shaggy dogshit.

Deng definitely underperformed, I agree there. But he had some solid performances in January (17.5 pts on 50.3 % shooting, 8.5 boards per game), which suggest that he could possibly return to his form from 2 seasons ago (when he played good D, slashed and finished in the paint regularly, and didn’t settle for the jumper all the time), which would be quite good.

If anybody cares to read my opinion of BG (you probably don’t, but I’ll put it here anyway), here it is.

by T-Boogie on May 3, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There should be plus signs

in front of those PER numbers. They didn’t show up when I posted that comment.

by T-Boogie on May 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it April Fools Day?

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on May 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hate you people

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on May 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

is hallucination

one of the symptoms of a swine flu infection?

by Aiafati on May 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NOCIONI CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!

Yes he is the savior of the Bulls franchise!

by wiltfongjr on May 3, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

what they need to do is

sign Gordon back – Rose and Gordon should be together for a while because two things – chemistry and experience..they have been through a lot this season and they should have developed something between them(man-love) ehem (brotherly love) or (good chemistry called in the NBA) so ..and so.

teach (even though it can’t be taught) respect and trust to this team.
chemistry.

polish tyrus skills – coz i think its the reason why he did not play that long in the playoffs because he is so erratic, spontaneous, hard to figure out and sometimes its good but most of the time it’s not. jumpshot or better driving and post up skills?

Noah offense – the reason why the bulls have a stagnant offense when Gordon is struggling. if he develops an offensive power(yeah!!!!) imaging how wide the road is for Rose, Johnny Fish, Gordon and everyone to just drive inside when Noah can be a factor inside.

add muscles to the bigs – because muscle is protein and it is abundant here in US.

rose J and D – upgrades

have our complacency to VDN – because believe me, he’ll be back next year and in a human standpoint i think he will be better as most of us humans do. he must develop some secret techniques and plays and an identity……..farfetch……….let us just wait and see and support this team. if he fails, then lead the angry mob!

know their respective capabilities – this pretty much is 50/50, to the coach to know his team more and the players to know their capabilities better. know roles especially for Tyrus. Noah had already started in his metamorphosis, from a medieval fire breathing afro dragon to a streak-free, shiny and tough MechaGodzilla.

Better shot selection – need i say more

Continue the passion..

by Aiafati on May 3, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"he must develop some secret techniques"

ah yes, the hallmark of every great coach.

by BigBenign on May 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly my friend

by Aiafati on May 3, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sarcasm.

by BigBenign on May 3, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He already has some

confusion breeds success!

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 4, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just a ridiculous opinion

do you even watch the bulls? What makes you think that bg only wants to get paid and then relax…he just wants his compensation to be in line with his production. Why cant people see how competitive bg is? Why dont people realize that the man is one of the most efficient scorers in the nba and his defense is not nearly as bad as believed? I mean, hes not exactly a defensive stopper, but hes not terrible…especially when you consider the offensive role that he has on our team. It would be a travesty to let bg walk. Also, why do people not realize how much defensive attention bg demands??? He really makes it a lot easier for everyone even when he shoots 7-23. If we cant see how good bg is then we really dont deserve to keep him. Wherever he goes next year (hopefully nowhere), I hope hes at least appreciated. I know we will realize really fast how good he really is.

by rosefromconcrete on May 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think he confused BG with Tim Thomas

That guy got paid big TWICE because he suddenly started playing well in a playoff series. Smart man Tim Thomas. If it were a contract year this past playoff, the Bulls would’ve advanced because Tim Thomas would’ve shown a pulse and wanted to get paid big by some stupid GM for the next 4-5 years.
But on to people that matter. BG is a terrible defender. Terrible. Game 6 the C’s basically said that they were going to expose BG on the Defensive end to take him out of the offensive end. They ran everything through Ray Allen (who was on fire, but still…) BG was either lazy or incompetent fighting through screens on the D side. So his D is terrible.
But he is great on offense. If we could run plays for him like the C’s do with Ray or the pistons do with Rip. Then BG could be a great help on this team at 8-9 million a year.
I know this is a pipe dream at the moment. But if Toronto can’t get Bosh to resign this summer then they may panic and not want to lose him for nothing. So we could package our two first rounders this year in an incredibly weak draft, Luol Deng and Ty Thomas for Chris Bosh. Or do a similar deal with the Suns and Stoudemire. Maybe it would only take Ty Thomas and the two firsts to get Stoudemire for how cash strapped the Suns owner is.
Thomas developed great this year, but I hate his attitude. I really do. And we don’t really have a leader or experienced coach to keep him in check and change his attitude. So he has to go. Freakish Athleticism is only going to get you so far. And if we really want a shot blocker then let’s go after Chris the birdman Anderson. Would cost less, and he blocks shots at a crazy rate….this would only work if we traded Ty thomas in a package deal for a legit Allstar. Not someone that may one day turn out to be an allstar. But someone who already is an allstar and is pretty available. Bosh or Stoudemire.

by paxdorf on May 4, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not true

hes not a terrible defender. Bg will never be confused with shane battier, but hes not terrible. BG was playing on one leg and its a lot harder to play d when hurt bc you actually have to react to your opponents movement instead initiating movement. Also, considering ben is our best offensive player, they wanted to tire him in order to make it more difficult for him to carry the load offensively.

Also, if you hate tyrus’s attitude, then why would you want amare? Also, youre proposed trade for amare wouldnt work…salary has to be virtually equal because both teams are over the cap. I think we could get either one of them (at least bosh if tor is smart…hes gonna leave).

Finally, I doubt chris anderson is leaving denver…he loves it there and hes a fan favorite. Also, I think he only wants to play in denver or no because he has a good support system there and good for him considering his past. As a social worker I can promise you that his chances of staying clean are much greater if he already has a positive support system in place.

by rosefromconcrete on May 4, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wat the hell?

where did this come from?
first off, kobe wasnt coming here if deng was part of the deal, and the lakers werent trading kobe without getting deng. i think we’ve all discussed that enough. and really?? noce?? i was a big noce guy but even i can admit that noce isnt what he was couple of years ago. and wat is this somehow trade for noce.. can u give us an example, cause id love to see that.

I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr

by Yibs on May 3, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

um okay??????? im going to realgm.

FIRE VDN

by gocubs526 on May 3, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sac's going to the playoff's on Nocioni's back

That’s a guarantee. Noce will score at least 20 a game next year, and be a great compliment to Kevin Martin

by chapuforyou on May 3, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hope youre joking

cause if not….it would sadden me greatly.

by BigBenign on May 4, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that lol noc pic would be perfect here

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on May 4, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bg is wayyy more dependable than deng btw

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on May 3, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think this was a joke everyone

by BoxingHideout on May 4, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Bulls need to find a way to acquire a decent big man who play with his back to the basket and who can take the pressure of Rose. The Bulls have the pieces to pull of a trade, they have have their first round draft pick and they can use either Hinrich or Thomas as trade bait.

by dannym22 on May 4, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

-step away from the keyboard

-go kill yourself

-goodbye

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by NormVanBeer on May 4, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

LMFAO

at this post.

Maybe we can get Crawford for Hinrich as well.

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on May 4, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

When I read posts like this

I think of how South Park mocked the Mormons. I just picture this kid (and he’s gotta be a kid right?) sitting on his mom’s keyboard typing away while the words

“DUMB. DUMB. DUMB. DUMB. DUMB!”

flash above his head in a whimsical voice…

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on May 4, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Problem with the "Remember Deng....superstar"

B.S. was that Ben Gordon was the better player then and continues to be the better player now. Deng is more a jack of all trades “safe” pick, but Ben was and is even more a dynamic scorer, and last I looked Points win games…..

We’ve seen Ben for years and he’s never disappointed. He started off the year last year with a dud, as did Kirk, as did Luol…..but once the PG spot was stabilized a bit, Ben played very well downt he stretch in 2006-2007…..and then came in this year and played even better….

This organization does indeed owe it to the fans to resign Ben Gordon. Gordon has been the best Bull post MJ in a Bulls uniform for 5 straight years. Next year will probably start Derrick’s time, but Derrick will be even that much better with a shooter in the vein of BG to move forward….

We’ll take a step back without BG, and for fans who suffered the last 18 months pre Salmons, JR owes it to us to make it happen, even if it’s 1 year of the tax.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 4, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

isnt that arguable

in that miami series i remember deng being our biggest weopen (not to say no one else did anything) he was disgustingly efficient, day in and day out, for at least that one season he was consistantly good, plus he could defend his position (within the scheme) and rebound. Ultimately though ben gordon turned out to be the hands down most consistant scorer, albeit not game to game, but season to season.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 4, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Miami series though

Was first of all 4 games, and secondly and most importantly against Antoine Walker, who was never a good defender. Lost in the midst of that series was that Ben GOrdon was getting double and at times triple teamed and was pretty friggin good that series too, but everyone went craze over Luol because Luol finally played aggressive in the 4th. I was excited about him too since that kind of Luol seemed to come from next gear….

But then the next series, Luol went back down to normal….

Luol’s hardly a bad player, he’s pretty good and given his age and all around, if he can stay healthy shouldn’t be viewed as bad for the $change down the line….it just sucks that Ben Wallace trade made us have to choose between the 2, and for my money we didn’t choose the guy that fit our now and our later…..Deng though should be a guy that can just come in and be efficient with whomever.

The only time I saw a new Deng was in I think January when he came back from that first injury stint and played unbelievably great there against what I seem to recall being good SF competition, and Deng shone, was aggressive and was awesome for like a 6-7 game stretch….He then had 2 rather invisible games and then was hurt again…..

If we see that Deng, oh wow we could be really good and I’ll gladly eat my humble pie. But from the first 4.5 years of watching the pro Deng, I see a guy who can do it all in the first half, do some in the 3rd quarter, and who much too often disappears when the going gets tough in the 4th…..compare that to BG who at times doesn’t seem to want to do much until the 2nd half, and esp 4th quarter where he can go off and be unbelievable…..

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 4, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ben gordon also sucked in the detroit series though

and luol didnt just play UP in the miami series, he continued playing great the whole season, and including the miami series. Luol, like i said, was consistant game to game that year, though gordons been successful season to season….

here check it out:
deng:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/chicago-bulls/players/luol-deng/profile/07/4/50

gordon:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/chicago-bulls/players/ben-gordon/profile/07/4/52

i believe its both players best season in thier career, and dengs only healthy season (yes i know thats an argument, but look past that for a second please) deng puts up an eff rating in the 20s….and is heralded as one of the best sfs in the entire league….by the national media (except barkley) gordon put up an eff of 16.5.

Deng scored 18 ppgs, shooting more than 50% with few turnovers, and a bunch of rebounds, plus he did a great job playing defense.

This isnt saying that overall deng is the best player, its saying that gordon wasnt always the clear cut better player.

Will deng be as good in the future…i dont know, but i know he wont be as bad as he was this year…..i think thats my main point. Deng isnt as bad as recent memory is making him out to be….and even gordon this morning on waddle and silvy said that deng will be 100% next year….which wasnt the case this year…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 4, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs