How can we luck out again?
Wendy's terrific post from yesterday got me thinking draft, or more accurately, how a lucky ping-pong ball saved our franchise last year. So I'm wondering how a few more lucky (or unlucky, depending on your point of view) breaks can tip our franchise over the edge.
Two ideas pop to mind immediately. First, we want to avoid the creation of any new Eastern conference powers. Second, we want to create teams that have a surplus of talent at a position where we have need.
This isn't a one man draft, but it's fairly close. All the other "top" players have serious question marks - James Harden had a terrible tournament and was completely blanketed when facing good defenders, such asUSC's Daniel Hackett. Hasheem Thabeet got demolished - absolutely crushed - by Dejuan Blair. Etc. The premise here is that no team in their right mind, despite their roster, would ever ever ever consider taking anybody but the big guy #1. So let's examine how the possible results of the Blake Griffin sweepstakes effect your Chicago Bulls.
1. Sac-town. Terrific! Get Blake out of conference, first, and to a team whose fans aren't jerks, second. More importantly, here's a good example of how a glut could be created. That would leave Sactown with Hawes, Thompson, and Griffin down low, but with jack at the point guard and small forward. Hawes and Griffin are a perfect fit for each other - high post, low post. If Thomson, who is a great talent but tailed off after an impressive start, is available...is there anyone short of Rose you wouldn't offer?
2. Washington. Worst of all outcomes. Arenas, Butler, and Griffin make up three potential all-stars. Angle #2: if they get Griffin, they look to trade Jamison. Angle #3: if we get Jamison, I barf.
3. Clippers. Pros: Clippers don't have to suck, Griffin's out of conferance, and they may decide for the uber-youth movement, jettisoning Kaman for a cut-rate price in order to go with Jordan, Blake and the expiring Marcus Camby down low. Cons: someone on BaB will suggest that, really, if you just squint for awhile at Zack Randolph, you start to wonder...
4. OKC. Look out. That team could be scary, and they have a need at four. And, seeing as they're in the Western Conference, it doesn't effect us too much. Hidden upside: the Thunder become the new hotshot team in the West, stealing the...well, thunder...from Portland and its feral fans. Wouldn't their smug GM have earned his comeuppance when Blake Griffin dunks all over Greg Oden, and they see their dreams of ascendancy Pritch-snapped?
5. Minnesota. They've got karma on their side, people. They also would have a surplus of bigs and lack quality wings and points. Not only would that surplus replicate a position, it would replicate three players' size and bruising style. A style our team definitely needs. And did I mention their point guards/small forwards consist of Sebastian Telfair, the other Bobby Brown, Kevin Ollie, Rodney Carney, and Corey Brewer's remaining ankle?
6. Memphis. Never wins anything. Ever.
7. Golden State. I like Blake in Golden State. A lot. I also like Brenan Wright. A lot.
8. New York. Another vile destination. New York's heartless, mercenary, and oh-so typical LeBron ass-slurpage would be greatly abetted by the addition of a viable NBA player.
9. Toronto. This is Blake Griffin mecca for Bulls fans. Blake gives the Raptors sufficent toughness that even Andrea Bargnani can be a legit NBA big despite the lack of testicles. He also makes Bosh expendable, if a 25 y.o. all-star is ever expendable. It means the only thing Toronto lacks to be a contender is a sf and a shot blocker. It means that...
But of course, that's impossible. What team ever lucked out and won the lottery with a 1.7% chance?
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Could you do a similar Fanpost on a coaching change?
by hlac on May 19, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to...
but I find it really, really difficult to evaluate coaches – it’s hard to seperate their players’ strength from their strengths, their players’ weakness from their weaknesses. I basically end up making decisions based on what philosophies the coaches have, and frankly, what their reputations are. It’s easy for me to point out obvious failings (for instance the fact that the Bulls didn’t have a defensive system in place this past season) but beyond that, I’m pretty much at a loss. I’d love for someone to write that post as well.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the Celtics' Thibodeau is interviewing for the 76ers job
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-76ers-coachingsearch&prov=ap&type=lgns
As much as I enjoyed the late run the Bulls had into the playoffs, the disappointing side-effect is that I don’t see any way Gar Paxdorf removes VDN from the head coaching spot before the season starts. But wouldn’t it be nice to have a coach who understands defense does NOT mean switching every screen. Dunno what Thibodeau’s qualifications on offense or player handling is, though.
by kozzer on May 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
- I like Thomson…but why would we trade for another young big in need of development? We already have two!
- Agreed!
- Perhaps the best of all the likely outcomes. I wouldn’t trade much for Kaman, but he wouldn’t be a bad piece. Then again, now we’ve got Noah, Miller, Kaman all at center. I suppose any of these guys could take time at PF too, but now we are robbing Tyrus of minutes (like VDN needs help at that).
- Uh oh
- This could help out quite a bit! They have Al Jefferson, Kevin Love,
Griffin. Now, they may want to stick with these guys, but considering their lack of depth (or even real players) at every other position, perhaps they would be willing to deal. Despite Jefferson’s injuries, I would not mind the Bulls taking a run at him at all! Also, I would not mind seeing Love in a Bulls uniform, since he has been a great rebounder despite limited minutes.
- Don’t want anyone from that team except untouchable players.
- They get Griffin and deal Wright? Same scenario as #1…too much young, underdeveloped tallent not getting any time.
- Death to NYC!
- HELLLS YEAH!!
by DRose01 on May 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a great point-
another young big that needs development makes it a clutter. I guess you’d have to start looking to deal one of our young bigs – if you felt that strongly about a player like Love or Thompson.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's THAT big of a problem.
If they ONLY have Thompson/Wright + Thomas + Noah + Miller, I don’t think there’s a shortage of minutes at PF/C.
Of course, they’ll be shortage of minutes at SF w/o being able to put Salmons or Deng there, and of course that’s what VDN would do.
But it depends on they’d trade.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, but...
I may be premature in saying this, but I don’t think Blake Griffin is going to be a hands-down #1 pick.
The Wolves could draft Griffin and use Love as a 6th man, but wouldn’t Rubio as their starting PG fit much better? Same with the Kings, they love Thompson, got rid of Brad Miller so Hawes could develop, and are starting Beno Udrih. Even the Knicks, with D’Antoni at the helm could go for Rubio in hopes for finding his new Nash.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 19, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
my post was making the assumption that Blake goes #1, and if that’s not the case, it pretty much takes the wind out of its sails. I’m pretty confident that no American player is anywhere near as good as Griffin, but Rubio’s the darkhorse. A lot will depend on his workouts and his hip, but if he’s healthy and turns out to be a better athlete than expected…yeah, I could see Minnesoata taking him. God knows they’ve screwed the pooch with guards for long enough!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff
Other Doomsday scenarios.
1. Ricky Rubino goes to Washington. Seriously Rubino and Arenas in the same backcourt is scary.
2. Ricky Rubino goes to New York. This is worse than the Knicks getting the 1st pick. D’Antoni will work his voodoo magic on Rubino and he will make NY all that more appealing for free agents.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on May 19, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Rubio went to the Wizards, a Rose/BG back courts would no longer be the NBA's worst defensively
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by snley on May 19, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is just grossly misinformed...
Sorry but Rubio is a steal wizard. His lightning quick hands are kind of what he is known for, which is even more impressive when you consider his ball handling skills. His defense is well above average.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on May 24, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just to clarify...
We can’t trust everything we read on draft sites. Rubio is often listed as a defensive question mark, but anyone that has seen him play (more than just one game against the USA in the Olympics) understands that his role is to roam the passing lanes or bother PG’s in a sometimes one man full court press (which he usually executes well). He will do fine in the NBA, especially against ball dominating point guards IMO.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on May 24, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can MN getting the #1 pick lead to Griffin coming to the Bulls?
MPG definitely is on the right path.
5. Minnesota. They’ve got karma on their side, people. They also would have a surplus of bigs and lack quality wings and points. Not only would that surplus replicate a position, it would replicate three players’ size and bruising style. A style our team definitely needs. And did I mention their point guards/small forwards consist of Sebastian Telfair, the other Bobby Brown, Kevin Ollie, Rodney Carney, and Corey Brewer’s remaining ankle?
McHale likely will not trade Jefferson and Love because he has made them the cornerstone of their resugence. MN needs a wing and guards.
MN get 2 of 3 from Hinrick, TT and Deng
Bulls get #1 pick plus something to make the money work.
We end with two potential superstars Griffin and Rose and resign Gordon as well as keep one of the above 3. This is a team that could be a challenger for a championship.
by chgobr on May 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, if we got Griffin,
you’d have to peel me off the ceiling of my living room, but I don’t think it would happen even if Minne won the lotto. I think Griffin has a similar value to Rose in the sense that he combines absolutely sick athleticism and strength with a work ethic and the mental stability to be a cornerstone. I may be overvaluing him, but I think he’s a “just plug him in and let the rest of the team fall as it may” type player.
Just as we had a good point guard last year (Kirk), but took Rose because of that rare combination of gifts and intangibles, I feel Minne would trade Love first. No matter how much McHale (who may be stepping down from GM) loves his outlet passes.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 19, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i totally agree
they’d trade love before griffin.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping for a MN move like Foye for Roy.
MN sems so screwed up in their search for a new GM I’m thinking they could be dumb enough to want a quick fix and take Deng and Hinrich for the #1 pick.
by chgobr on May 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1
I don’t remember a team ever trading a #1 pick that they knew was #1. Teams have traded future first rounder picks that later turned out to be #1. An overall #1 is too important to marketing. You sell more tickets and create more interest with high expectations
The fans already know the TWs suck with Jefferson and Love. They might not suck with Griffin.
by El Toro de Goro on May 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think comparing Griffin to Rose is perfectly spot on.
They have the athleticism and work ethic (it seems to improve on their weaknesses). The only problem in making it a perfect analogy, however, is that interior D is more important than perimeter D, making it all the more important for Griffin to become a very good defender compared to Rose.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He (Griffin) is a puzzling defender to watch.
You get the sense that he’s playing the entire game like he’s got five fouls. Then, occasionally, he’ll block a shot or get in the passing lanes and it’s pretty stunning how fast he moves and how high he can get up.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 19, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've read
it was stressed that he could NOT, COULD NOT get into foul trouble.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on May 19, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Griffin somehow with the Bulls would be awesome
But I guess it would spell the end for Tyrus Thomas, and dreams of Bosh and Amare….
You’d almost have to keep Noah for the defense for sure.
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by BCs71 on May 19, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the sentiments overall,
and a lot of this is echoed elsewhere on the web.
But just as you suggest in #1 and #5 that the Bulls could benefit from Sacto or MN getting Blake, the Bulls could also (per #8) land David Lee, or (per #2) land Brendan Haywood and/or Etan Thomas for their designated “physical presence” or “big body not named Aaron Gray”. David Lee would be the best scenario, but the others are not bad at all.
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by bullhockey on May 19, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone just root for Sactown to win this ish.
Best scenario easily.
I would love to see the Thunder also win it just to stick it to Blazers fans everywhere.
Who I really don’t want having the top pick is NY or Washington.
by Option27 on May 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really am torn on Toronto
Part of me thinks if they win it, Bosh may want to stay or …
they play similar positions, therefor he become even more expendable and gets traded sooner.
by Option27 on May 19, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm definitely rooting for sac to win it
my cuz is a kings fan and i know he was thrilled for me when we got derrick, so i’m pullin for them for sure.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 19, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Rubio and Griffin seem to be the likely 1...2 and Toronto needs neither...
…I think it far more likely (if the pulled off the miracle in the first place) that they trade down to 4 or 5 to OKC and take Harden or Henderson if they think they can help out right away.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post (rec'd)
I hope Sac, Minnesota or Toronto win the lottery. I really don’t want the Knicks to get better. I want to see D’Antoni suffering for not accepting the Bulls coaching job. I don’t give a crap about the others…
by bull83 on May 19, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i just wish suffering on the knicks
d’antoni or no d’antoni. ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 19, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these types of things really are rigged
Rubio will be a Knick.
by M 80 on May 19, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were really rigged, Lebron would have been a Knick
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by Big D on May 19, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Knicks and D'Antoni
people here says that he will take Rubio, but I just saw on ESPN that he likes Stephen Curry a lot and already promised to get him if they can
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
by Teri on May 19, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if they had moved up, i assume he would have taken rubio.
but yes, i think they’re going to take a long hard look at curry for #8.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 19, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then they will pick him.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on May 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if nellie gets there first.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 25, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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