How the Bulls Get Bosh and Thabeet
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 3:37 PM CDT
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Alright here we go. It’s summer time so that means it’s the Bull’s off-season. This summer will be a critical summer in determining where this franchise is heading in the future. So here I go with the first of many trade proposals.
Okay news came out today that Toronto is going to offer Chris Bosh a huge contract and if he declines (99% likely) they will trade him this summer. There have also been recent reports that the Bulls are shopping Tyrus Thomas and are looking to move up in the draft. I believe if they move up it’s to get either Hasheem Thabeet or Jordan Hill. Jordan Hill reminds me a lot of Chris Bosh so let’s just say we won’t need both Bosh and Hill. So say we’re looking to get Thabeet.
I have come up with 2 trades that get this done.
Trade for Thabeet:
We’re going to have to move up to #2 or #3 to get him. So we’re looking at dealing with the Washington Wizards or Clippers. Let’s try to deal with the Wizards.
I offer them
Bulls Send:
Tyrus Thomas
And Kirk Hinrich
For
Washington Sends:
The #2 overall
Etan Thomas
Why the Bulls do this:
They get to draft Thabeet. Duh.
Why the Wizards do this:
With Gilbert Arenas constantly hurt, and no other good guard on the team Hinrich would be a much welcomed into their guard rotation. Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler are good front court players however they like Arenas get hurt quite a bit. Tyrus Thomas would inject a youthful frontcourt body into their team, and he has proven he can contribute to his team. I know you’re thinking but why won’t they want a draft pick back? Washington is an older team, they don’t have time to wait for a player develop. They are in a win-now mode. Draft Picks won’t be that helpful to them.
Trade For Chris Bosh:
This one is going to be a little different. With Toronto knowingly having to move Bosh, and the fact that will go into a rebuilding mode after they trade away their franchise player, they’re going to have to sell lower then what market value would be for a franchise player, if a team is stupid enough to trade away a franchise player.
Bulls Send:
Loul Deng
Draft Pick #16
Brad Miller
Jerome James
Tim Thomas
Anthony Roberson
For
Toronto Send:
Chris Bosh
Why The Bulls do this:
They get Chris Bosh. Again Duh….
Why Toronto Does This:
Bosh leaving sends Toronto into a rebuilding year. They have received 4 expiring contracts that they can use to enter the Dream Free Agent Summer of 2010 or maybe make a trade for Stoudamire at the deadline. They get Loul Deng who could be a new pivotal building block to their new team. And they get another higher draft pick at #16. They could package #16 and their #9 and maybe move up higher in the draft.
So there you go two trades that would instantly make the Bulls one of the best teams in the league. And both trades are plausible. If we hold onto our #26 pick we could use it to draft Tyler Hansbrough rough (he’s projected to go late first round). Then our team, (including a newly re-signed Ben Gordon) will look something like this.
PG Derrick Rose/Ben Gordon
SG Ben Gordon/DeMarcus Nelson
SF John Salmons/Tyler Hansbrough
PF Chris Bosh/Tyler Hansbrough/Joakim Noah
C Joakim Noah /Hasheem Thabeet/Omer Asik (If he comes to the NBA this year)
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I gotta say,
I’m not a huge fan of Thabeet and don’t see him succeeding in the NBA.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on May 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto,
He’s another Tyrus, but taller.
by PricanStar on May 18, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't see Tyrus suceeding in the NBA?
Then why not trade him away. At least Thabeet is bigger and he can develop into a good player.
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms
of the amount of time he has been playing organized basketball. At worst he will be a force inside as a rebounder and shot blocker which we have. Tyrus will suceed as a role player but not a starter.
by PricanStar on May 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Hinrich + Thomas >>>>>>>>> Thabeet and is illegal under salary cap rules
And the other trade is retarded for many reasons, including, but not limited to, the fact that it isn’t legal either.
You get one free redo.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 18, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't look into the salary cap
I’m sure there was to be filler, but it’s just that filler. I basically just outlined the principle of the trade. I’m sure Lindsey Hunters and Michael Ruffins will have to be traded but those aren’t important outside of salary cap reasons.
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The filler can be really hard
There have been many trades that haven’t happened because of filler.
by Jamaicanpi on May 18, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um... you're ridiculously far off on the second one.
You’d have to find like $18 million in “filler”.
Christ. It’s not complicated. Just match salaries, or come very close.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Well I dunno if the Trade Machine is updated yet
But Jerome James in untradeable for some reason. Maybe cuz we dealt for him at the deadline? Or maybe the insurance thing. Anyway add Kris Humphries to the Toronto side. And that makes makes it closer but I believe you still need like 7/8 million so do a sign and trade with Marion, to make up the difference.
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to propose trades
I recommend this link. It explains a lot of the complexities of trading, like BYC and how close the salaries need to match up.
by Jamaicanpi on May 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasnt accepted his player exstension yet
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on May 18, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that your "filler" has to equal greater than $25 million* to make it work.
That is going to COMPLETELY change the landscape of the team, both for next year and the future since it’s likely to have some long contracts. It’s the equivalent of saying, “Hey, I want to start a business that sells food.” and stopping there. There is a lot more work to be done to make this a legitimate idea.
*definitely a roundabout a guess
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 18, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on Thabeet...
he projects as a homeless man’s Deke or a middle class man’s Samuel Dalembert. He can definitely block 2-3 shots per, but is that worth giving all our depth for him and Bosh?
We can nab Bosh next summer when all this depth (and spare parts) comes off the books…but I’d pay Brad the MLE before I traded for Thabeet and Thomas…
by Carlitro on May 18, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Etan Thomas just figures to be filler.
And I don’t see how this ellimantes our depth. Our rotation would be 8 players. Which is an ideal amount for VDN. The more players VDN has to tinker with the more he’ll screw up. 8 players is more then we used in the playoffs.
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree on your assesment of Thabeet...
who kind of reminds me of Shawn Bradley….he’s going to be on the wrong end of a bunch of posters.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on May 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabeet is a bum..
The only thing he has is height. He’s soft (see his play against Blair last year), he isn’t all that athletic (see freshman Greg Monroe killin him in Storrs), and has absolutely no offensive game. We have a much better player in Noah, why pick him up?
by Ceasaleo on May 18, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Bulls are going after a top 5 pick
I think it’s a large assumption to think that the Bulls are going after a top 5 pick. I assume you’re rationale is that the Bulls want to draft a big man, but I think the Bulls might be looking to jump up in the draft because they are afraid no one one their board will be available at 16. DraftExpress has 4 guys going before us who all could look good in a Bulls uni (Clark, Henderson, Williams, Blair). The Bulls just might want to make sure they can land a player they want.
by Jamaicanpi on May 18, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why we don't draft
Thabeet or someone who is projected to go that high if we indeed move up that far. If we want one of those guys we don’t need to get to the Top 5.
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I was suggesting
That you’re assuming we’re trading up to have a top 5 pick, when I think all that’s been rumored is that we’re interested in trading up. If there are rumors suggesting we want a top 5 pick, a link would be appreciated.
by Jamaicanpi on May 18, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay got you now
I misunderstood you as well. And I just figured if we’re trading up those would probably be the two players we are targeting. But who knows trading up could just mean moving up to 14
by Edicus2288i on May 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Robinson
I believe is actually Roberson?
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on May 18, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Wizards already have their own Tyrus, his name is Andray Blatche. Exact same player cept Tyrus has a little bit of a jumper.
Thabeet is indeed the poor man’s Mutombo. He won’t be a total bust but I don’t see him being a difference maker at all. Players like Blair beasted on him all season.
by C Smoove on May 18, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's an exaggeration
There aren’t many players like Blair :)
by Jamaicanpi on May 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Versatile 2-way players
By this I mean starters need to be able to defend at least 2 positions and do it very well, also must have 2-3 starters be offensively 20+point per game capable (not that they need to average that, just capable of doing it on a given night) and the second unit needs to be capable of handling their own as a UNIT (maybe one starter helping, the cohesion helps the over all flow on the court as it wont be a early MJ thing where 4 guys stand around and watch one guy do his thing ala VDNs offensive philosophy with BG at the end of games…. so annoying)
IMO (humbly) BG doesnt fit, and I am not sold on Bosh either, I caught a bunch of games this year to see if he was something to look forward to being in a Bulls jersey and to be honest? I came away thinking he is similar to Lamar Odom with a little more inside game. Still not enough rebounding, doesnt command the post (plays soft often), isnt a presence on defensive end, and sometimes gets lost in the game. I came away with a better appreciation of calderon, but I dont see Bosh as a max contract carry a team star, if he was …. shouldnt toronto be better?
by Chisportfan on May 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do the Bosh trade, not the Thabeet one.
But the problem is, Toronto would never agree to that. We’re giving them pretty much Deng, a draft pick, and some expirings/filler for Bosh. They’ll be asking for way more than that, probably either Tyrus or Noah, or maybe Gordon.
by Rose MVP on May 18, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the Bull's ,but let's be real.
They have to much money tied up in this team. Nobody is going to give the bulls the east with trades. Role player’s, a good 25 fouls coming off the bench, Rose getting better, stronger, A jump shot ,and the Bull’s playing much better D.Remember the old Bull’s who won ring’s with good D the last 5 mins of every quarter.The Bull’s go as far as Rose go’s & I think they can win with minor tweaks.
by gaingrene on May 18, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Toronto trading Bosh for what you want to offer
Deng is the only player from that package that could interest them. If you offer him or Salmons alongside with Tyrus and Miller, maybe they’ll buy it. Otherwise, I just don’t see them trading Bosh for a lot of players without that much talent. Remember, there’s a rumor that players don’t want to play in Canada, so, I think the 2010 free agency won’t be for them. But who know’s…
As for Thabeet, well, the trade is nice, but I’m not sure if he’s that much valuable. Besides, Earl Clark and DeJuan Blair are two players that seem to be interesting. From what I saw on the youtube – if someone knows a better way please let me know -, Clark seems to be good player… If we could keep the assets to trade for Bosh – talking about Tyrus – and still trade up to get one of those two guys, it would be a perfect draft for us
by bull83 on May 18, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking terrible trade!
First of all Toronto is taking back around 35 million dollars in salary. Does Bosh make 35 Million? So the centerpiece of the trade is Luol Deng. The Heat, Blazers, Knicks, Lakers, Rockets, Jazz, and about 10 other teams can make way better offers. Why wouldn’t the Raptors demand at least Noah. Here is a more realistic trade.
Raptors get:
-Noah
-Deng
-pick 16
Bulls get:
-Bosh
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on May 18, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a great trade
We can put Bosh at Center so he can get completely beasted on by every strong center in the league yay!! Or we can play Brad Miller 50 minutes a game!
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on May 18, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's at least "more realistic."
He’s just trying to help nudge idiocy into foolishness. But really, that’s not a horrible trade and is probably close to the about what you’re going to get.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 18, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying its a good trade for us.
but that is around what we would have to offer. how about this then:
Raptors get:
-Sign and trade Ben Gordan
-Tyrus Thomas
-Pick 16
Bulls get:
-Bosh
I would love this trade!
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on May 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been
thinking about that one since the trade deadline expired.
A lineup of
Rose/Hinrich
Salmons/Hinrich
Deng/Thomas
Bosh /Noah/Thomas
Noah/Miller
That won’t win you a championship next year, but it would definitely be a contender.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on May 19, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
I forgot to add. This lineup would require a “real” coach with an actual offense.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on May 19, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well one trade isnt going to make you a champion.
I think Drose will need at least three years until he can blossom into a superstar that can lead a team to a championship. this would put us in position to have two superstars and some great role players by 2010. We could have cap room to go after Joe Johnson or someone like that. This trade is just one piece to the bulls championship puzzle.
Rose
Johnson
Deng
Bosh
Noah
That is an amazing core!
FIRE VDN
by gocubs526 on May 19, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get angry when people try to trade Joakim Noah. :P
Or, for that matter, when they misspell Ben Gordon’s name, but I’ll let it slide this time, heh.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on May 19, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Bout This...?
Don’t know if it’s LEGAL, but it seems to make sense to me. If Bosh does truly poop on Toronto’s extension. Then not only does that put Bosh on the block, it immediately throws them into rebuild mode. So here’s my idea…
Bulls Trades:
SF Luol Deng
PF Tyrus Thomas
PF Tim Thomas
pick 16
pick 26
Toronto Trades:
PF Chris Bosh
pick 9
with #9, we take our pick of Terrance Williams, Tyreke Evans, Demar DeRozan, or Earl Clark
Does it work?
by Ceasaleo on May 18, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just make the salaries somewhat close and then it's filler, which you did
Deng – 10.3
Thomas – 6.4
Thomas – 4.7
Total – 21.4
Bosh – 15.7
You don’t need Tim Thomas for the trade. Take him out and it works. If the Raptors wanted to shed Kapono, sending TiT in return would make that work.
Deng and Thomas is quite a lot to give up for Bosh, but not on the ludicrous side. I wouldn’t go much more than that. If they wanted the Bulls to take Kapono (and give up TiT), i’d have to keep the 26 pick.
- + Bosh + Kapono for Deng + Tyrus + TiT + #16 seems… acceptable, if steep. But yeah, then they would be guaranteed a Deng replacement at 9 or take the dirty work Blair and a back up wing at 26. If they kept Gordon (which they should if they’re doing this):
Rose/Hinrich
Gordon/Hinrich/Kapono/rookie26
Salmons/Hinrich*/rookie26
Bosh/Blair
Noah/Miller
*you know that’s true.
Deng and Thomas are probably my favorite players, so it’d be tough to see them go, but I’m able to be a fan of other teams’ players, so if it makes the Bulls better, so be it. It would create a gaping hole at SF in 2011 if Salmons opts out and Asik, no matter how good he is, will likely be a big drop-off in offense from Miller. But if you have to find a player, a 5th-option wing is probably one of the easier things to find. Moreso if they got lucky with a Sam Young or Chase Budinger at 26 and they turned into real-deal starters.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "1. + Bosh" is supposed "#9 + Bosh"
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Necessarily..
If we somehow pulled off the trade u worked out:
Bulls get — Bosh, Kapono, and 9
Raptors get — Deng, Ty Thomas, TiT, and 16
Wouldn’t we still have Miller and now Kapono, as trade bait/salary dump for 2010 free agency?
Go after a guy like Richard Jefferson, he should be ready to get a taste of playoff ball for a fair price. And still have a Sam Young or Chase Budinger.
But I’m gettin wayyyy ahead of things, I just hope we make some smart decisions this summer.
by Ceasaleo on May 19, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this too
But my favorite part is having Hansbrough as our back up small forward.
by oakdale on May 18, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I rather have LJ III as backup SF.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on May 18, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy Pyscho T being described as an offensive-minded big
Maybe he can dance like Mark Madsen?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither of those trades can happen under the NBA’s rules
by wiltfongjr on May 19, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raptors Should Want to Trade
If Bosh isn’t going for an extension that would waive the opt-out clause, Toronto should move him this summer. Personally I don’t really want him all that much, but the trade that makes the most obvious sense in this case seems to be:
Hinrich, Tyrus, Tim Thomas
for
Bosh and Banks.
Hinrich would fill a huge need in Toronto to back up Calderon and possibly start at the #2, and Tyrus would also fit nicely. Bulls would get back another guard to replace Hinrich, although Banks sucks. Bulls would have to resign Gordon and then give Bosh an extension. moving into luxury tax territory until guys like Miller and Jerome James come off the books.
Rose—Banks
Gordon—Salmons
Deng—Mid-level FA/draft pick
Bosh—Mid-level FA/draft pick
Noah—Miller
by nateroth on May 19, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say we try this
We send out:
Deng
Tyrus
Raptors send out:
Bosh
Filler
We should also find any possible way to get back Gordon, but if that doesn’t work, then we have this:
Rose/Hinrich
Hinrich/backup SG by commitee
Salmons/pick 26
Bosh/Blair
Noah/Miller
Are there any SFs that would be available at the 26th pick? Preferably seniors who would be able to contribute immediately, but anyone will work.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on May 19, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Deng + Tyrus + pick 16 is the best they are likely to get.
If they’re shopping Bosh, teams will know he’s likely to leave in a year and probably won’t give up too much for him.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on May 20, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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