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Chicago Bulls Off Season Part 2

Last time out I looked at the guards and small forwards, this time I’ll get into the bigs. I’ll also throw some possible free agent names out there, looking to the future. If you missed my earlier look at the Bulls you can hit it here.

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The young frontcourt of the Bulls made big strides last season, led by Joakim Noah. Noah is what he is, a defensive minded center that will rebound and run the floor. He knows his offensive limitations, as he only took a handful of jump shots the entire year. With his solid free throw shooting (nearly 70%) I can see a day where he can knock down an open 15 footer. Even with that corkscrew push shot. Bulls fans can remember another center with an awful looking jumper that was fairly effective. Remember the side winding shot of Bill Cartwright? Noah improved his game as the year progressed, cumulating in a 7 game playoff averages of 10.1 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg, & 2.3 apg. This off season Noah will add some more bulk, but he needs to add that simple jump hook to become a threat down low. He has it in him to be a double double guy next year.

Tyrus Thomas was such a frustrating player to watch last year. You see so much potential, then you see a brooding sulker. You see a kid with great energy on the defensive end, then you see a guy completely lost of offense. Unlike Noah, Tyrus hasn’t figured out what he is, he thinks he can be a go to guy, scratch that, he thinks he should be the go to guy. He takes so many poor shots on offense and he settles way to much for his below average jumper. I’ll give him credit, he’s increased his strength and his jump shot is better since last year, but he still needs work in both areas. And anyone that can jump as high as Tyrus should develop a shot from the post, whether a turn around J or a jump hook, he needs something. At times I scratched my head at his minutes, wondering where his defensive intensity was to finish out games. Hopefully if he’s still a Bull next year Vinny Del Negro will have a better grasp on how to best utilize him. Thomas is one of the few Bulls with any trade value so his return isn’t a given.

Brad Miller played the part of grizzled vet to perfection. He relishes the chance to mentor the young bigs, he plays smart (although he did force some passes in the playoffs), and he plays with a toughness this young team needs. With only one year left on his contract he could be moved if a trade is made, but I’d like to see him stick around. If this team progresses like it should I can see Miller playing out his final year and resigning at a lower salary. He has the ability to pull the opposing center out of the lane giving Derrick Rose room to operate.

Tim Thomas had some injury and personal issues in his brief time as a Bull last year, and like Miller, has one year left on his contract so being added to a trade could happen. If he sticks around I’d like to see how he’s incorporated in the team with a full training camp. (The basic offense the Bulls ran will no doubt be augmented with VDN trusting his young point guard even more.) Thomas can score if given enough minutes to get in an offensive flow, so he could be a valuable part of the Bulls bench.

Aaron Gray could be allowed to sign elsewhere. I think he’ll get some offers and I don’t see the Bulls getting in a bidding war. If Gray had a mid range jump shot he’d have value for the Bulls, but as it is I think he’s gone.

Linton Johnson was added down the stretch and when given an opportunity he didn’t hurt the Bulls. I could see him being brought into camp to compete for a 12th spot of the bench.

Jerome James is in Chicago because his salary helped match up the Larry Hughes trade. He’s been injured and I doubt he’ll return. He has one year left on his contract, (a player option year) so he could be another salary match up in a trade.


The Bulls have two 1st round picks in the draft that should be in play, either to move up or to acquire a veteran. I really hope the Bulls don’t stand pat and take two rookies, the last thing this team needs is two more young guys. Target a veteran that makes sense and go get him.

On the Free Agent front there are no unrestricted guys that are that exciting, or that make a lot of sense for Chicago. Shawn Marion, Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Antonio McDyessLamar Odom or Ron Artest would be a nice pick up, but I don’t see either happening. There are some players that might opt out making free agency more interesting; Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Hedo Turkoglu, Al Harrington, Jamal Crawford, and Kobe Bryant. Of the restricted free agents (in which I don’t see the Bulls dipping into), David Lee, Paul Millsap, Channing Frye, Marcin Gortat, Charlie Villanueva, and Glen Davis are the more well known players.

The Bulls will have feelers out in any trade talks that occur on those 2010 potential free agents (Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Dwyane Wade, and maybe Dirk Nowitzki), but with so many teams wary of cap space, any blockbuster type moves would surprise me.

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Chris “THE BIRDMAN” Anderson, Denver’s little somewhat still secret, who has had the best valued contract in the entire league at under $800K/yr and who has proven he can play well against all of the elite competition for a solid 20 minutes a night.
I certainly hope the Bulls consider him over paying too much for a defenseless Boozer, etc.

Of course if we get Bosh or Amare, then we get Bosh or Amare, but if we’re thinking anything else, resign BG and make a serious pitch for Chris Anderson as Tyrus’s solid 25 MPG backup PF/C.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 18, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I didn’t forget him, I just don’t see any way he leaves Denver, he wanted to play there after his suspension, and he is SO popular there, he’ll resign…

but I wouldn’t mind him a Bull

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

$$$$

Denver’s is cap hell with little options but letting Kleiza (possibly) and Petro (definitely) go….and even then it’s tight for the next 2 years AFTER this season. Bulls ahve a lot more flexibility, especially once (cuz I presume it’s happening) Jerome James’s salary goes to insurance…. I think we could steal the Birdman pretty easily…..

I think really the only way he comes back is if the Nuggets win it all this year, which I don’t think is going to happen despite the recent press….Denver was lucky enough to face the most unhealthy team in the league (Hornets) then play the Mavs after their x-factor who when he got himself healthy again they became a different team (Josh Howard) basically went down again….the Nuggets will be hard pressed to beat the most talented team (Lakers) and if they somehow pull that off, I don’t think they’ll beat the Lebron’s or the inside-outside Magic, who proved again that if their shooters are on they are unstoppable yesterday.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jumping high has absolutely nothing to do with scoring in the post.

If jumping ability and post scoring have any relationship it’s likely an inverse relationship. The best post scorers usually have below average jumping ability. Post scoring is way down the list of things Tyrus needs to work on. Finishing around the basket is at the top of the list, but that’s different than posting a defender up.

Comparing Noah’s jumper to Cartwright’s jumper is ridiculous. Cartwright was a 20 point per game scorer in his rookie season. However convoluted Cartwright’s loading mechanism was, he still released the ball with classic one handed wrist flick and normal ball rotation. Cartwright’s form also didn’t prevent him from being able to execute a turnaround jumper. Noah may eventually be able to make a wide open jumper, but all strange jumper forms aren’t created equal, and comparing Noah to any accomplished NBA scorer isn’t a good choice of comparison.

by Scotter on May 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: Tyrus – jumping high does matter when shooting a jump hook… hence the name “jump” hook… catch the ball, jump, shoot a hook… the higher you jump and/or put arc on the ball the less chance it is to get blocked, it’s the most basic of post moves… the same could go for a turn around J, either jump high or get a high arc

Re: Noah – I never compared the offensive game of the two players I compared the unconventional form of each shot, not the effectiveness of the two… teams refuse to even run out on Noah, he could very well eventually get comfortable enough to shoot a mid range J

Thanks for the reply

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 18, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you willfully ignored the difference in the mechanics between Cartwright and Noah.

Cartwright’s were ultimately sound. The point of Cartwright’s scoring is that Cartwright’s jumper was sound from the beginning. He didn’t need to make mechanical changes. Noah’s are not, and apparently no amount of coaching effort is going to lead to a more mechanically sound jumper. A good comparison would have been with a player that struggled to make jumpers because of their mechanics, and eventually over came it as their career went on.

Jumping ability has little to do with the jump hook. Balance, angle, timing, etc. are more important than jumping. Max jumping ability doesn’t have any significant correlation with post scoring. Tyrus would be better off if he didn’t try to jump much with his jump hook.

A turnaround jumper obviously relates some to jumping ability, but it’s only of value if the player has the other requisite qualities to make the shot, and success making it also doesn’t correlate very much with jumping ability.

by Scotter on May 18, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

if Noah can hit nearly 70% of his free throws with that strange shot, he could eventually gain the confidence to hit a 15 footer… mechanically speaking he shouldn’t be able to hit his freebies like he does, but yet there he is hovering around 70%

Tyrus gets a lot of shots blocked because he is so off balance down low, he’d be better off gathering himself, exploding off both feet and taking the jump hook… can a land locked player have success in the post, of course, but so can someone that can get up.

If you can out jump your defender you have less a chance of your shot getting blocked… if not the set shot would still be prevelant today.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're all over the map.
if not the set shot would still be prevelant today.

not relevant to the point of discussion: post-scoring

can a land locked player have success in the post, of course, but so can someone that can get up.

makes the point that there is little correlation to post-scoring abilities and jumping ability. With all else being equal, would jumping higher help? Probably. Makes sense. But all else isn’t equal, and all else is much, MUCH more important than jumping ability. For instance, if Thomas can’t get good position, if he can’t create a split-second hesitation of the defender to jump and block his shot, if he can’t get full extension of his arm, then he could be negating several inches of his vertical. It seems much better to be a fundamentallysound and methodical player to play in the post compared to being fast and athletic.

Would you rather have PF Josh Smith in the post or PF Tim Duncan in the post? I’d actually like to see a list (your list?) of the best post-PF’s and the best-jumping PF’s and see how much or how little they overlap.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on May 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m just speaking in general terms, if you jump high it’s harder to get your shot blocked… but not in all cases, using your strength or girth to get position and bump off the defender is just as important for many post players.

Some of my favorite post players to watch back in the day couldn’t jump a lick; Adrian Dantly, Mark Aguire, Moses Malone, Kevin McHale… and now Tim Duncan is a master at positioning… a simple drop step, create space, up and under, a thing of beauty…

Tyrus can get to the block on some defenders (he did last year, he just didn’t do much), and until he adds the mass, he has to utilize is length and leaping ability. I’d love to see him learn how to turn and face the basket too.

Solid debates everyone!

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

True. Cartwright could score in his early years. Noah will never be more than 12 ppg scorer….He’ll max out at 10 which is fine.

Tyrus could use a couple moves around the basket. Mainly I just want him diving into the lane over and over….I want 3 alley oops a game minimum.

by C Smoove on May 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

The unrestricted free-agent the Bulls should be targeting to sign is

Ben Gordon.

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on May 18, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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