Offensively: The keen ability to “take what the defense gives you to take create and take your team’s most efficient shot”

defensively: The keen ability to recognize and then weaken the opposing team’s ability to score…to decrease their scoring efficiency

Outlier for both is the constant negotiations between reaction time/forsight and athleticism, strength, energy and size…and will…the will to stop something from happening or the will to make something happen.

Offensive BBALL IQ is much easier to understand for most people and also what most people initially think or …i’d say 75% of you or more just did when

Tom Thibodeau is probably one of the better defensive strategist in the world that also has the ability to motivate his players tp perform his defensive tasks. He obviously can recognize opposing team’s offensive tendencies and strengths and prepare his guys to force the opponent away from their efficient offensive sets. So defensive bball IQ is more ambiguos than offensive. A lot more subtleties involved with defensive IQ.

Defensive IQ and merely being defensively coachable are not the same thing. But not necessarily different either.

Great or excellent Defensive IQ requires much more “reading” of the opponent. Involves much more cat and mouse type of negotiations as opposed to “playing the good soldier” or being the coach’s energizer bunny that will religiously follow sets and rules while forcing an opponent baseline to help or “showing” to help on a pick and roll. Assuming the coach knows his stuff, being a coachable defensively should by logic dictate that this player has at least good defensive bball IQ.

Most great defenders can sometimes “get into the head of an opponent” usually by frustrating them with an unpredictable physical presence like a Rodman or an Artest. While other great defenders impose doubt in their opponent’s heads usually with a combination of length (reach) and quickness like a Mutumbo, Mance or a Pippen.

Other great defenders are/were outright nasty with their will to stop. sneaky bastids! like an MJ, Thomas, Bird. These guys were usually too tired from offense or challenged athletically to be every play great defenders but they had the desire to compete so much that they could lock into their opponents at crucial points in the game to get stops on one end (and usually baskets on the other)…and sometimes for these type of defenders their offense was their defense…these guys were alpha males of defense…the ultimate mind fuckers…the “im so much better than you you’re gonna wet your fuckin pants if they even pass you the ball near me” type defenders…now that stuff doesn’t work on everyone but it did on many an opponents in crucial games at crucial moments to win games…If BBall IQ is under discussion there’s gotta be a place for the will of these guys to make crucial stops in the biggest of games down the stretch…these guys have all made defensive plays rivalling some of the offensive plays.

Who can forget Bird’s steal off an inbounds and layup? MJ’s cheat over and strip of Malone? talk of bball IQ? Talk of coachability? Who teaches that? How do you teach a player to be able to sneak over and double on Malone-a 15 YEAR- (1st ballot hall of famer and 2 time MVP and one of the greatest PF’s to ever play the game) VETERAN with his back down in the post 3 feet from the basket…how do you coach to cheat over and double HIM and force a turnover without a shot (that also led to an easy basket the other way-THE ULTIMATE DEFENSIVE STOP-leading to a easy basket-when the Bulls were down 2 with a about left in the pivotal game ? How do you coach for that? It is BBALL IQ of the highest regard. Its The PH in D! Its pythagoreans thereom of D! It cant be solved :) It’s a riddle and the answer all in one tasty bite its like the peanut of the butherface, its all good? nah…dont make sense but its still sounds good. That must be great defense.

MJ-who can forget his “defining moment” defensively where he no longer was a defender rather a teacher…a forty year old in a young man’s game…a place no other player will ever achieve defensively unless they retire from the game twice re-incarnating finally as the Chopin Mandarin Cooley Dragon of defensive. Goate Beard-and-all. Mad at one end he didnt get the call in a meaningless game for a meaningless team…so mad he forgot he was old…Mercer stripped him while fouling…MJ barked at the ref ofr a second…knew he wasn’t gettiong the call so he raced up the court steaming and fuming to catch an an unsuspecting Ron Mercer and grab his lay up before it came off the backboard (almost as unsuspecting as Karl Malone was 6 years earlier when MJ stripped him) and trapped the ball on the backboard, grabbed it and stared down both Mercer and the ref as he tried to throttle back his full snarled-fangs That play was all instinct and will and completely goes against the basic “high IQ” principles of get back, hands up, be in position, force to help, deny shots in the paint, force long 2 pt jumpers. Still…it was a great defensive play…and ya gotta have some sort of IQ measurement for that.

I love the chart posted earlier and that is exactly what basketball iq is all about. The people who should be discussing basketball iq are the players who are playing the game. I play on a high school basketball team and I know who has the highest basketball iq by how they play. Obviously these players tend to have more assists, less turnovers, a better field goal percentage, but the players with high basketball iqs are the coaches on the court.
I like the fact that someone came up with a formula for basketball iq, but it obviously sucks, so whoever made it should make some changes and I will be happy to see if it works or not. But please don’t tell me that Tyrus Thomas is the smartest player on our team.

Is an equivocal term, it is impossible to define. Its function is found only in use, so we can define it momentarily by its ability—or inability—to transmit meaning in a specific case. This is as clear as day in the incoherent Blazer’s Edge diagram.

Or a thread about which Luvabulls are the most attractive and which need to be replaced?

I mean, purely for educational and discussion purposes, ya’ know. This is a critical issue that affects all Bulls’ fans.

Maybe some of the clever posters here can do a “statistical analysis” of the Luvabulls based on, err, um, well, their “combine” results.

would you rather have a

GM who knows and gets players that fit together as a team, or a

Coach who knows how to fit his team together?

i know this is like an out of nowhere question here but pick one.