If the Bulls want to move Kirk this deal will go down (you'll hate it)
Deal: Steve Blake, Chicago's 2010 second round pick back (that the Blazers own after Ömer Asik trade), maybe an additional first round pick, $2-3 million cash to compensate for the salary. No other players.Cap calculation: $10 million salary Kirk – $4.25 million salary Blake = $5.75 million difference which the Blazers can absorb with cap space of ca. $7 million if Channing Frye doesn’t get the QO and assuming the cap stays around where it is now and doesn’t crash down. Or $9.5 million salary Kirk – $4 million salary Blake = $5.5 million if they want to do it later in the offseason after the moratorium ends. Don't know what the teams would prefer. It now fails on the ESPN trade machine, but if will work when it needs to be done.Of note: Chicago thereby creates a traded player exception in the height of the difference in salary since they are giving up the player with the bigger salary (i.e. in the intention of the CBA the better player so they should be enabled to get a replacement) that they can use later (1 year) going forward and do another deal with a team that wants to get rid of a contract at the deadline. Which is very likely going into the free agent summer of 2010.Why: Getting LESS back in salary is actually better for Chicago. I expect Bulls fans to laugh at that deal saying it’s not enough value in talent. And I might agree. But if you think further about it and the Bulls are willing to move Hinrich mainly for luxury tax and "we want to re-sign Ben Gordon" reasons exactly that will go down. In talent Blake is an adequate cheaper replacement for Hinrich who the Bulls can use as the backup and as an off-guard next to Rose which wouldn’t work e.g. with Jerryd Bayless' or Sergio Rodriguez’s shooting problems. Not getting any positional replacement back (read: any expiring or non-guaranteed contract) would make the point guard depth very shallow. And the exception becomes bigger. I'm not sure Kirk will be traded, but if the Bulls want to move him this makes more sense for the organization than including an additional player you don't need.
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Throw in the first rounder instead, and it's a deal.
Otherwise, suck a lemon!
(Kidding about the lemon part. You guys must be on cloud-9 with the L*kers being exposed, no?)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 15, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ok
you can have the first rounder. We’ll buy two more. ;)
Yes, I am pretty jubilant these days… feels good to see Kobe, Pau, and Phil sweating it out over a Rocket team missing McGrady and Yao.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Phil stopped sweating after 2004
All he really cares about is pissing off NBA purists by winning 1 more ring than Red Auerbach. It’s the only reason I still root for him.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 16, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we resign gordon
there’s no need to have someone who can play the offguard next to rose, we already have 2 very capable players at that spot since presumably deng will be back in the 3 spot. i also have my doubts about blake playing in the 2 spot anyways.
this trade isn’t that bad, but i think other variations could work better, and i’d think the pick would have to be a 1st rounder.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 15, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep-
I wouldn’t want to see Blake beside Rose…pretty much ever. But as far as a back-up point goes, he’s pretty good. And it’s not as if the Blazers really need/want that first-rounder, anyway. They’re not going to get anyone near Bayless’ quality, and he couldn’t even crack their lineup last year.
The first rounder for us, though, makes sense. Gets as much as we can to dangle for Bosh…that’s what I’d like to see. :)
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by MPG on May 15, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake's contract next year is unguaranteed
If the deal happens around draft day they could choose to waive him making him an unrestricted free agent and pay nothing and get the full cap space. The Bulls choice, but I wouldn’t expect it. Who is the backup point guard then? Another draft pick? Lindsey Hunter?
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by Norsktroll on May 15, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is where i'd think sergio would make more sense than blake in the trade, for instance
there’s only going to be like 10 mpg at the pg spot, steve deserves better.
and also why i’d think the trade might be expanded to other players because i’d highly doubt the bulls would do sergio + first rounder for hinrich.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on May 15, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends on Chicago
the Bulls can basically downgrade their talent for a lesser contract… Hinrich is essentially a rich man’s Steve Blake. Is Reinsdorf a rich man? We shall see.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to see what else is available for Kirk.
One possibility is Phoenix. If they decide to start over – which I think they should – they’re going to need a point guard. Kirk and T2 could be the start of a pretty good Amare deal. Then the Suns would be able to see what’s available for Nash…which is where you guys come in.
Stat a Bull, Nash a Blazer.
::sigh::
That would rock.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on May 15, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nash will not be a Blazer.
The team is dead-set on playing slow-it-down, McMillan offense.
I doubt Amare will be traded. His eye condition could be serious enough that teams will shy away until early next season.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
the Suns rehired Gentry, meaning that they will probably take one more run at being good in the SSOL.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a rich man all right..
but he’s a stingy rich man!
by Rose MVP on May 15, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich for Blake and Outlaw, yes. Otherwise, no thank you
The reason I also want Outlaw in a deal with the Blazzers for Hinrich is simple. If we get Outlaw, we could include Salmons or even him in a deal to get Bosh. I wonder if a deal of Salmons/Outlaw, plus Tyrus, plus Brad Miller and picks could appeal Toronto to trade Bosh. Maybe yes, maybe no… Who know’s.
I think a rotation of Rose, Gordon, Deng, Bosh and Noah, with Blake, Salmons/Outlaw and a big man (via draft) coming from the bench would be nice
by bull83 on May 15, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls would rather keep Hinrich and let Gordon go than...
…take back a less player in Hinrich for salary cap purposes. Paxson almost said as much at the trade deadline this past year.
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by tyger1147 on May 15, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is beautiful
Getting rid of kirk should be the 1st move the team makes. Kirk was a mistake and it needs to be rectified.
by BG7 4 on May 17, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs












