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What if I don't want a Big Mac? (No offense, Brad!)

Once upon a time, way back when the Bulls were still playing basketball, there occurred a certain game in which one Mr. John Salmons scored the 100th point.  You may recall that we - those of us who frequented the game threads, anyway - were inclined to mark the awarding of free Big Macs to UC patrons with many a snarky comment, particularly following the Hamburglar incident.

At that time, BaB regular cranscape suggested that in honor of John scoring the pivotal point, a Filet-o-Fish would have been a more appropriate giveaway than the standard Big Mac.  And thus, ladies and gentlemen, it is really all cranscape's fault that this post exists - because her comment started me thinking about which McDonalds menu item paired best with each Bulls player, something that would permit the promotion to be unique to the player with the great honor of breaching the triple digit threshhold. 

Obviously this is a pointless pursuit.  Rumor has it that many of the fine dining establishments concerned will hand over a free Big Mac even if the Bulls didn't score 100.  Assuming this is true, we certainly couldn't expect McDonalds' bright and friendly employees to care not only that the team had scored 100 points during a game, but on top of that which Bull was responsible for rewarding UC patrons with the opportunity to jeopardize their health without paying.

Nevertheless, this problem of which unhealthy fast-food item to pair with which professional athlete semi-fascinated me.  Yes, I am weird, but I have also been in a prolonged avoid-working-on-the-dissertation-at-all-costs phase.  So here are my proposed pairings.  All input is highly welcome - with the rate at which my dissertation is not writing itself, this could end up being my only meaningful contribution to society.  ;-)

Star-divide

  • Brad Miller - Big Mac.  What other big man on the team has the variety and trickery present in Brad's game?  A little offense here, a nice rebound there, a tricky assist one possession followed by a slow-mo roll to the basket the next.  All these ingredients combine into an appealing picture when you're thinking about what to order.  Yet who else can trick Vinny into thinking he's the healthy end-of-game option just by slapping on a little lettuce?
  • Joakim Noah - Chicken McNuggets.  Underneath the trappings, Chicken McNuggets are just plain solid, a good fundamental and versatile base to build on.  Pair that with a crazy dipping sauce or two to add some personality and the fun never stops.
  • Tyrus Thomas - McRib.  Sometimes it shows up on the menu, almost like magic.  And you think, hey, this is a really nice option!  But just when you get used to it being there they take it back off the menu.  Put it on the menu or retire it, damnit, and quit playing with our emotions like this!
  • Derrick Rose - Premium Grilled Chicken Classic.  A premium player already who's stepping up from the crispy world of childhood to the grilled responsibilities of stud PG.  Like all classics, he'll be around for a good long while, growing better with time.
  • Ben Gordon - Chipotle BBQ Snack Wrap.  At first you might think there's not much there - it's just a snack wrap, after all, good for one thing only, and that's taking the edge off your hunger.  It doesn't seem like there's enough there for a full meal.  But when you dig into it, you realize there's more to it than you first thought.  And it's really, really good.  On top of all that, it's a bit of a bargain compared to much of the menu.  And this one's the hot, 4th quarter version!
  • John Salmons - Filet-o-Fish.  Where it all started.  From the outside this doesn't sound all that appealing, but when you actually try it it's far better than you ever imagined it could be.  It kind of seems out there on its own, though, just hanging out one-on-one and not really mixing with the other menu options.
  • Kirk Hinrich - Bacon, Egg & Cheese Biscuit.  A lot of really solid, good things in this one that blend nicely into a yummy option.  Not one ingredient really stands out from the others, but all the basics are covered and overall it's just a very comfortable choice that's hard to go wrong with.  Too bad breakfast may not be in the plans.
  • Luol Deng - Premium Caesar Salad w/ Chicken.  Hey, it says premium, and you're sure paying like it is.  There should be a lot of good stuff there, because you ordered the version with chicken.  Only then you open the container and it seems like an awful lot of vegetables.  And at the end of the meal you're left wondering "Why'd I pay that for a bunch of lettuce?"
  • Aaron Gray - Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese.  If Brad is the Big Mac, then this one has got to be Aaron.  So many similarities between the two (size, two patties, lack of speed, pickles, a few offensive moves), but Aaron lacks the subtleties of Brad's Big Mac game.  No special sauce here!
  • Tim Thomas - Cheeseburger.  It's not that the basic cheeseburger is all bad or anything, and it's a big improvement on the plain hamburger you traded to New York, but it's just not much of a meal.  Plus, why pay all that for a single patty when you can get a double for about the same price?
  • Lindsey Hunter - Hot Fudge Sundae.  A classic that has withstood the test of time.  The only problem is if you run with it too long, the whole thing melts into a puddle.  Plus, you just can't live on ice cream.  A nice extra, but not a meal.
  • LJ3 - McDonaldland Cookies.  They're not especially good, but they somehow make you smile anyway.  You even enjoy the first two or three of them.  But keep eating them and they start to tast like stale cardboard.
  • Anthony Roberson - Snack-size Fruit & Walnut Salad.  It's probably the last thing you're thinking about ordering if you're at McDonalds, and it won't tide you over for long.  But, when the occasion is right, a snack-size helping of Anthony Roberson can really hit the spot.
  • DeMarcus Nelson - Happy Meal.  Your pretty sure you probably know what you have there, and it's not all that great.  The thing is, sometimes when you actually open the box, the prize inside is way better than you ever expected.  But most of the time it's pretty crappy.  Doesn't stop you from picking up a Happy Meal here and there, hoping to strike it toy-prize rich.
  • Jerome James - Ice Water.  He's not going to be scoring, and this is the only thing you can get for free.  (OK, it costs a quarter if you don't buy anything else.)  Hey, it's not much, but with the dry economy a nice cup of cold water can be pretty refreshing.

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I vote to include Vinny del Negro as the McGriddle

In theory, Vinny sounded like a good hire. The man promised so many things, we all fell for his Italian love songs.

Just like the McGriddle. It sounds so tasty in theory. I like pancakes, why not use them as buns for my sandwich! And put a giant “M” on them so I know what franchise is slowly adding fat tissue to my body!

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 12, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't think about including the coaching staff

But I like it!

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerome James

is like Ronald McDonald kicking you in the crotch and stealing $6 million dollars from your wallet.

And BG is french fries, damn good when paired with something more substantial (i.e. Rose).

This is hands-down the most ridiculous post I’ve read yet, but it was entertaining, so kudos.

by T-Boogie on May 12, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well, obviously it wasn't suppose to be serious.

At least I hope that was obvious. And I knew it wouldn’t be the type of thing everyone enjoys, but it’s the type of thing that makes me laugh, and it’s not like there’s much to “report” on at this stage of the offseason.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a fun read.

I was just not expecting it, to say the least. But I’m not complaining, it made for some good jokes at the expense of Fatty Gray and Vinny Del Pompadour.

by T-Boogie on May 12, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Fun read, wjb!

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved this post.

“But, when the occasion is right, a snack-size helping of Anthony Roberson can really hit the spot.” -Classic.

I knew of a kid who was tricked into going to McDonald’s and ordering the “McChicken Basket”, which, I am sad to report, does not exist. However, we all agreed that this sounds utterly delicious, and the perfect compliment to Mickey D’s menu; hell, it’s fried chicken! It could even come with a fresh-baked (ie leftover from breakfast) biscuit!

My point: is Amar’e Stoudemire the McChicken Basket? The one item we so desperately wish was on the menu, but was never really more than a pipe dream?

by Pat19 on May 12, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol..nice

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on May 12, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAH!

recd

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think this is one of the best offseason posts ever!

totally meaningless, but very funny.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 12, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

outstanding post!

funny stuff, I love that Tyrus is the McRib!

by wiltfongjr on May 12, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Silly and unnecessary, but oh so satisfying

This is fun and poignant at the same time. Perhaps your dissertation should be on creative sports writing?

I second the praise for “Tyrus = McRib”

"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy

by mdmnd9294 on May 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear this post.

Seriously, perhaps the most meaningful post of this offseason (I only wish I was being sarcastic, but I just peed a little)

by DRose01 on May 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Jordan was the Arch Deluxe

best item ever on the menu, sorely missed, never to return.

by NerdVernacular on May 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about..

The short-lived McJordan Special. Come to think of it, I think it was just a McRib.

by FAQ on May 12, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vaguely remember the McJordan

Didn’t it have bacon and BBQ on a cheesburger or something?

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on May 12, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

I think you’re right. I remember onions too.

by FAQ on May 12, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that a Chicago only thing?

Rock and Roll McDonalds exclusive? I don’t remember it.

by NerdVernacular on May 12, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope...it was pretty much everywhere

I remember getting it a couple of times. Can’t find a YouTube vid for the commercial..

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on May 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerome James is the oil in the deep fryer.

He’s not good for the health of this franchise, but he is a necessity to keep this franchise running, serving a vital role on the menu and the salary trade rules. And he’s used up and stinky, waiting to be drained from this team’s payroll.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 12, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's mine

Derrick Rose The McGriddle Sandwich because it’s tasty and combines a breakfast sandwich with pancakes….mmm hmm.

Ben Gordon Large French Fries. Instant gratification without the protein (Defense).

Luol Deng 2 free regular hamburgers. Folks never think of the regular hamburgers, and for $12M/yr he better be giving you more than just one. Plus he’s lanky, so he doesn’t have the cheese.

John Salmons Filet-o-Fish, but in playoffs the Double Filet-O-Fish.

Kirk HInrich McChicken Sandwich. No reason, just a good sandwich.

Tyrus Thomas The Big Mac, if he gets good, he’s worth the calories and years of wait.

Joakim Noah the McLean—presuming they still have it.

Brad MillerQuarter Pounder with Cheese. Big, slow, not as good as the Big Mac, underrated….fits perfectly.

Larry Hughes The Arch Deluxe, a big failure that has been forgotten about in McDonalds’s past. Sadly, I liked the Arch Deluxe (don’t eat much McDonalds but my Dad taught insurance with McD’s for years so as a kid we were there a lot).

Jerome Jamesthe onions on their burgers, something you can’t take off, and something that adds to the cost to the customers….I like Onions though, but that’s all I could think of…

Anthony Roberson The Happy Meal toy. There and gone quickly forgotten about.

Lindsey Hunter the soft drink. Goes with all the other meals, not thought of too much though, but been there forever.

Aaron Graythe entire menu. Perfect for the modern Sweets of the team, except not nearly as good and since he did lose some weight not as big either.

Tim Thomas the sundae. Sometimes you just need a sundae, but most of the time you don’t.

Anyway that’s it for now….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good!

some descriptions like Gordon and Roberson just flat out on target!

man up!

by exult463 on May 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TiThomas .. "shamrock shake". only shows up a few times during the year

Similiar to you I kept him on ice cream menu because his shooting is also usually so ice cold

man up!

by exult463 on May 12, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's perfect

Cept I like the Shamrock Shake a bit more than I like Tim Thomas…maybe he’s the Arctic Orange Shake….you saw it a few years ago, it was tasty, occasionally you think yeah that wasn’t bad, but most of the time you are wondering why you haven’t seen them reintroduce it in a few years, and of course it’s not a necessary evil, but sometimes you just need the ice cream.

I posted this before I read through those above….and I loved the McRib in wjb’s post above, that was perfect for Tyrus…

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There goes my reputation!

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you had a reputation?

I kid…i kid ;-)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although actually, it is a funny original comment

Filet-o-fish for Salmons, lol!

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose...

is the five piece Chicken Selects Meal, nothing less.

by McCabe on May 12, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Really funny stuff… through and through. Thanks for the good read.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on May 12, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Joakim has to do better than McNuggets

I think he is more like McGriddle – a bit different/weird, some people love it, some hate it, but it still have the classic breakfast combination of eggs and sausage,

"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

by Teri on May 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't go to Mcdonalds that often

Since things like Bacon, Egg & Cheese Biscuit make me sick. Can’t Kirk be something else?

by KT on May 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I suppose we could trade him to DQ...

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff wjb.

What a coincidence my favorite breakfast sandwich is the bacon, egg and cheese biscuit.

by sue369 on May 12, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ewwww

It’s just grease, grease and more grease!

by KT on May 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why I like it so much!

Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski

by chibullsfan03 on May 12, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's one of those things that taste good

But just isn’t good for my digestive system. But what at McDonalds really is?

by KT on May 12, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, I don't

eat there very often but one thing they have that I really love are the Cinnamon Melts. Maybe Kirk could be that. :D

by sue369 on May 12, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus as the McRib is classic. Love it.

"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush

by Illini15 on May 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Tyrus as the McRib was freaking brilliant.

"You ain’t as hot as I is / all of these false prophets is not messiahs /
You don’t know how high the sky is / the square mileage of earth or what pi is." - Nas

by Jivas on May 13, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This post is the best.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious

"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle

by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Rec’d this quicker than you can hum “ba da ba ba ba”

TheTinfoil: Prez, could we please get Fatty on one of these [podcasts]?
annthefan: Fatty would be awesome! Get him on there with Timbo. Now, that's entertainment.
pualo: Nah, Timbo would just talk to himself the whole time.

by prezofdeath on May 12, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The McRib is not coming back, dangit

Still a great post though.

Somebody should make a comic called "Tulowitzki the Combat Shortstop". I'd read it.

UMD 8/04 - 5/08: Go Terps!

by ES46NE10 on May 12, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"clancy"

Saw you over on RealGM earlier…forget what they have to say over there…I thought this was a pretty entertaining post! :)

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on May 12, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad you (and others) enjoyed it

I really was wondering as I wrote it – it’s the kind of thing that seemed like either people would get the humor or would totally hate it. But no risk, no glory whatever you get for posting on a blog, right?

Yeah, I spend some time at RealGM, too, but not nearly as much as here. I don’t know why I used a different name there.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They talk about us over there?

Really? That’s kind of lame.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 12, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think everyone over there does...in fact, a lot of them don't

but there were a few little snide remarks about this post in particular. Not sure why. Seeing that it’s the offseason, I thought this was a pretty nice, funny post.

It’s actually kinda strange though…both sites really seem to have their own train of thought about certain Bulls issues. Not that all Bulls fans have to think alike, because we all KNOW that definitely isn’t the case…but whenever I do go over there, it always feels kinda like Bizzaro Blog A Bull, so I never end up sticking around for long :)

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on May 12, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly how I feel

Most people are nice enough and all, but here is just comfortable (even when we’re jumping all over each other on some issue).

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I only go over there to read Gen NBA stuff.

The Bulls fandom tone over there never really did it for me for some reason. That being said, I didn’t realize fans had to be ultra serious about everything that gets talked about. Perhaps if we had put it into a graph and got some BNF to back it up it would have passed muster. Maybe we could lay it out in menu form at least with player’s paychecks as item prices. These are missed opportunities, people.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 12, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I loved this post

Who cares offseason, before the draft and we’re a #18 pick or whatever and a #25 pick…not a big deal, can’t say much that hasn’t been said about BG and the team can’t talk to him about contracts until July 1 anyway…

This was one of the more fun posts anyway. I swear that was blog snobbery.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston wins again

Does this mean we’re better than Orlando?

by Option27 on May 12, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it means

That we’re better than Matt thought….and that Boston isn’t nearly as bad as everyone else thought when KG went down (whcih to me is crazy with Rondo-Pierce-Allen and the solid role players on that team). Ainge did a good job pulling off that trade to get rid of the weaker picks who were often drafted higher and keeping the mini secrets who fit their roles well but needed a few stars around to get their confidence up. THe C’s with KG would wipe the floor clean with the rest of the league (Cavs and Lakers included) as the other guys stepped up big time into their roles, without KG they’re still a very dangerous threat, much like the Scottie and Sheed Blazers of 2000-2001 or so (the team that had the Lakers up by 10 with like 5 minutes to go in a game 7 and lost, or the Bulls of 1994-1995 (Hubert Davis BS loss to the Knicks)…this Celtics team is good, not in the all time great bunch they would be if KG was healthy, but they are really good.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean '93-94' Bulls.

’95 MJ came back and we lost to Orlando… But we got RevenGhe the next year!! KaSweep! :D

by BAB-Bass on May 13, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking

We won in 93, my bad…I was thinkign we won in 93, so it was the 94-95 year, but yeah 93-94….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I certainly don’t think the C’s with a healthy KG this year would be in the real all time great 72 win Bulls conversation, but they’d be in the all time great considerations….much as the Lakers might be in a year or so presuming Bynum can finally get healthy and they can keep Odom….as I do think the Lakers should win this year….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

majoyenrac, that's exactly the context I keep coming up with, as well.

The Bulls lose their best player and then come one bad call away from making the finals (or was it conference finals?).

In fact, this Boston team has 2 all-stars and one former all-star, which is more than the Bulls had in the first year after Jordan’s (first) retirement. Pippen was better then than anyone on the current Celt’s squad.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the point

Pippen was better than anyone else on the current KG less Celtics squad, and I’d argue that Pippen that year was better than KG this year….but KG’s been more dominant in his career than Pipp, which is saying something….that was Pippen at his absolute peak.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Garnett is/was better than Pippen, at any point.

That isn’t so much a knock on Garnett; instead, it’s a testament to how underrated Pip was/is. He could do everything- run the offense, guard multiple positions at an all-time great level, shoot, drive… Pippen was just better than Garnett. (my opinion)

by Pat19 on May 13, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't know

I think KG revolutionalized his position just as much as Pipp did to the SF. And I do think Pippen was very underrated and is a top 20 all time talent (Pipp’s my favorite player all time).

But for a 7 footer to have the skills that KG had and live up to them every night on the court he played, I think you’d have to say he was the more gifted and thus edges Pipp overall…

I mean I know this isn’t he be all end all especially because Pipp had to defer a bit to MJ, but KG’s PER for his career is a 23.8 and the same in the playoffs essentially for a lot of years…..and counting when he returns. Pippen only topped at a 23.2 once….

Again that’s not the full fledged aspect, but Kevin Garnett in my book is probably going to end up the 2nd best PF all time behind Timmy D. No he won’t score like Malone did, but he had the entire package and put up fantastic numbers always as the man on many a team that were worse than those Malone and Pippen played with for most of their careers.

I like Pipp a lot more….but I don’t know if there’s many questions that KG hasn’t been the better bball player, and presuming he gets back should still have quite a few years to go too….but even that said what he’s done has been fantastic. I wish he’d grow up a bit thoughj.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Pippen was pretty much the best player in the league (IMO) during the time MJ was playing baseball. Then he took a backseat when MJ came back.

Funny that the Bulls had the two best players in the league at the same time pretty much.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on May 14, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having the two best players is a formula that Jackson rode not to one, but 3 threepeats.

It will be interesting to see whether he can win with Kobe plus 1 medium level All-Star.

At this point, the way LeBron is playing, Kobe may not even be the best in the league anymore. And Pau is the closest thing to an elite player on the rest of that roster.

It seems you need at least one dominant superstar and one mid-level All-Star to win it all, since the Pistons are the only exception to that rule. Going back to ’91, the Bulls, Rockets (in their repeat season only), Bulls again, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, Heat and Celtics have all had at least one dominant superstar plus at least one mid-level All-Star.

So for the Bulls, we’re obviously hoping Rose becomes the dominant superstar. Who will become their mid-level All-Star?

If it was only about numbers and not about height bias, I’d say Ben Gordon would be that guy.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 14, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think that's tough though

to have your stars be both backcourt guys. all except the bulls had all star big men, and they had the GOAT and even then, their stars weren’t the PG and SG.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 14, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pippen and Jordan was pretty close to PG and SG, especially in the early 90s.

The Blazers went to 2 NBA Finals mostly on the strength of their SG and PG. If the combo is dynamic enough (Wade and Rose) then it doesn’t matter, but Ben Gordon being the 2nd star is a serious reach. Detroit did make it with Dumars and Thomas, but the quality of their other players on the team was great to the point where it’s debatable whether Thomas and Dumars were the best players on the team.

by Scotter on May 14, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, i don't remember the early 90s that well

i was only 8 at the time of the first championship.

but you only support my point… it’s unlikely. wade and rose, sure, but ben? definitely have my doubts.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 14, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben can be the third wheel really well

but we need some kind of second wheel.
Like Orlando … they don’t even really have a first wheel offensively. It kills them.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 14, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm saying is that the Bulls are a tricycle.

Missing a wheel.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose, Gordon, and a good Big would be a nice trio to work with.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 14, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Which makes them a really poorly balanced bicycle.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 15, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, they're missing the front wheel.

Like Sparky the Dog.

Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.

by Prevenge on May 16, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, actually,

for them to be competitive they’d need to see vast improvement among their bigs, as well.

I mean, if KG was on the Celts that series becomes pretty much a 5-game series.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 15, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Celtics with a healthy KG would wipe the Cavs up?

I highly disagree with that, and unfortunately we won’t be able to see that come to fruition because it would have been one of the greatest playoff series ever.

The Lakers beat the Celtics in the regular season to snap their 19 game winning streak. Regardless of their problems right now, all 3 teams were on a pretty even plane this season, with Cleveland coming out in front because LeBron is so good it’s beginning to get unfair.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think

A healthy KG and to a lesser extent healthy Powe would crush the rest of the league with the way guys like Rondo, Davis and Perkins are stepping up.

I know the Lakers beat them one game….they also wupped em a game or two last finals before getting crushed overall in 6….the games they won were easy wins. Those Celtics are good.

I mean the 72-10 Bulls I think lost to the Vancover Grizzlies I believe (possibly twice) in the regular season….matters none….

With the way Rondo, Davis, etc have stepped up and with KG healthy going with Pierce Allen and Perkins this Celtics team is far better than anyone thought they’d be once they lost PJ and Posey….the guys are more acclimated, the youngs are much better, Allen’s virtually the same as he’s ever been, but maybe a bit more comfortable on that Ankle, and well while Pierce has been somewhat quiet, I wouldn’t say he’s any less deadly….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the question, though:

Would Rondo, Big Baby have played this well with KG there?

Bill Simmons’ “Ewing Theory” says that the exiting of a superstar from a lineup brings out the best in the supporting cast, and to some extent I think that may be going on here.

I mean, they’ve always had potential, theoretically. But Rondo and Big Baby are literally playing out of their minds this playoffs.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

Perhaps because that dude is awesome, Big Baby, perhaps not because of lack of time….but still wouldn’t hurt….

I think the Ewing theory is more in play in regular season games, but in playoffs to do what they’re doing while everyone on both sides is doing their best to win and buy into roles to help win….I think it shows quite a bit.

I mean 2 short years ago when Wade was at 60% against us and pretty much that year, his team floundered….why? because Wade was that friggin team. This Celtics team has a lot of guys who can bring it any given night, and a few of whom (2 to be exact) who have been seen as “the man” on their teams in the past and know what it takes to take over the reigns….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't we switch the Supreme Mugwamp every month or so?

Matt’s great, but I guess after a while, you just get bored, and he was only posting about once every 4 days, whereas you are enthusiastic and, dare I say it, honored to be chief blogger and have creative posts everyday. Just an idea. Don’t tell yfbb I said this.

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on May 12, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, is the temp Mugwamp suppose to encourage the mutiny or squash it like a bug?

Are you going to toss me overboard with Matt when I confess that I have no idea what to write about next and am hoping someone posts something great I can just promote or the beat writers come up with something to link to? It really is challenging with not much going on Bulls-wise.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MUTINY AHOY!

Next post: How the bulls are pirates
[I actually will write it Thursday if you want. … That’d be fun, heh]

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go for it.

I’d say that, at least for now, anyone that has an idea for a post, serious or otherwise, should definitely throw up a FanPost. It’s slow enough around here that we’ve still got stuff on the sidebar from a week ago. Well, for posts that haven’t been done recently – we don’t need 14 people to rush out and write their own “Bulls should draft Player X” FanPosts obviously.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 13, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmm. I guess after my final ends tomorrow I'll have something to do besides depression, then.

weeeee!

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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