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T-Boogie's 08-09 Award Winners

[From the FanPosts: Thanks to T-Boogie for starting us with some picks and rationales.  Throw in your opinion, and maybe we can reach some consensus picks....  Consensus on BaB!  Hahahahahahahaha.  ;-)  wjb]

We seem to be low on discussion material as we find ourselves in that awkward time frame in between the end of our season and the NBA draft. Therefore, I decided to share my picks for individual awards for the Bulls this season. I have also posted several other articles on my other Bulls blog, if anyone needs more reading material at work. Without further delay, here are my picks for the best performances from Bulls players this year.

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Most Improved: Joakim Noah

Honorable Mention: Tyrus Thomas

Noah's rookie season was full of drama, underwhelming performances, and repeated incidents that brought his maturity into question. Since then, Noah has improved on all fronts by leaps and bounds. Noah struggled a bit early on, but he was one of the most consistent players by the end of the season. Noah's rebound rate went from good to tremendous, he grew as a defender, and he seems to have put his immature past behind him. Noah's progress was outstanding, and we can only hope that he continues to improve at such a fast rate.

 

Offensive P.O.Y.: Ben Gordon

Honorable Mention: Derrick Rose

Gordon led the team in points per game (20.7) and 3's per game (2.1), adding instant offense on a consistent basis. In clutch situations, the offensive scheme was basically get Gordon the ball and hope he could put points on the board, and he filled that role admirably. The Bulls will really miss Gordon if he leaves, as his play basically guarantees loads of points and clutch shooting. No matter what situation Gordon finds himself in, he manages to score consistently. Easily the most consistent offensive performer of the season, and, in my mind, the undisputed offensive player of the year for the Bulls.

 

Defensive P.O.Y.: Tyrus Thomas

Honorable Mention: Joakim Noah

Inconsistency has been the buzzword with Tyrus, but his defense was stellar this season. A constant threat for blocking shots, Tyrus was one of the few players that seemed to understand how to play help defense. Tyrus covered small forwards, power forwards, and even centers occasionally, and he played solid defense against all three positions. Tyrus' athleticism makes him an elite shot blocker, and, with some more offensive improvement and some more (dare I say it) consistency, Tyrus could eventually live up to that much-hyped potential.

 

6th Man Award: Kirk Hinrich & Brad Miller

This was a difficult decision, and I chose the cop-out option of giving both Hinrich and Miller the award. Hinrich missed a sizable portion of the year due to a thumb injury, and Miller didn't come into the Bulls program until the trade deadline, but both provided valuable production off the bench. Hinrich has to be the top backup point guard in the league, and his defense took the Bulls to another level after his return. The addition of Miller (and John Salmons' impressive offensive contributions) helped the Bulls end the season very well, and his physical play helped the Bulls reel in more rebounds. Both Hinrich and Miller helped spread the floor with their exceptional outside shooting, and, even though both players are paid too much to be backups (and, quite frankly,m they're both good enough to start on many teams), they provided the Bulls with some vital assistance off the bench, logging big minutes and making big plays..

 

Player of the Year:

1st Place: Ben Gordon

2nd Place: Derrick Rose

3rd Place: Joakim Noah

What I've already said above about BG, combined with his improved (although still not above average, with the exception of his stellar job on Allen in the playoffs) defense and consistency makes Gordon my MVP for the Bulls this year. Ben was almost always good for at least 20 points per game, and he was pretty much the only one (Salmons also did an admirable job when called upon, but not with BG's consistency) I trusted with the ball in the dying seconds of close games (that 36.3 points per game and 56.9 eFG% in clutch situations is hard to replace, to say the least). Gordon was pretty much the entire offense with games on the line, and he more or less thrived under that pressure.

 

Rose did a great job for a rookie, demonstrating phenomenal poise, a good midrange jumper, excellent interior finishing and quickness, superior vision and passing, and respectable rebounding for a young, rookie point guard. His exceptional gifts undoubtedly make him the franchise's most important player, but, when his poor defense and slumps are factored into the decision, he was a step behind Gordon this season.

 

Noah played his role exceptionally well after a rough start, aggressively crashing the boards and finishing strong near the hoop. Noah has always been a good defender, and he improved his D on the bigger, more physical centers, but his help defense and scoring skills still need work. Nevertheless, Noah completely dodged the vaunted “sophomore slump” and provided the Bulls with solid production down low.

 

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What are your picks for the individual accolades of the 08-09 Bulls? I'd like to hear your opinions below, as I'm sure my opinions don't reflect the consensus opinion.

 

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Agreed... Kirk should get it.

Tyrus was late on help coverage most of the season… he found himself in frequent foul trouble… didn’t always cover the correct man…

That said, the guy is a freak. He can jump out of the rim and his timing on blocking shots is incredible. He makes up for many of his mistakes with his athleticism… which can’t be learned.

With a step forward next year he could win this award, but I would give it to Kirk. He was guarding bigger guards all year… and sometimes the small forwards! Kirk knows all the opposing player tenancies and forces them into bad positions on the floor. He hustles on every play… how many times did Tyrus not run back on either side of the ball!!!

by 72-10 on May 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone deserves it

not a single player can say he actually improved defensively over the course of that season.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on May 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I knew that pick would lead to the most controversy

but I’m sticking to it. Hinrich missed too much of the season for me to give it to him, and he made dumb mistakes like fouling jump shooters too often in my opinion.

Noah and Tyrus were the only other people I felt were worthy of consideration, and, while I thought it was close, I gave the nod because he can cover three positions over Noah’s two, and I think he plays slightly better help defense.

However, the D was pretty poor this year, and I would agree with Ugh It Live! that a defensive MVP prize would be like giving out a Sportsmanship Award for a federal prison pickup game – nobody truly deserves it.

by T-Boogie on May 11, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can see the tyrus for DPOY

he was one of only like 5 players in the league to have 100 steals and 100 blocks or something like that.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

Not until he learns when to help and when to stay with his own man. He was constantly out of position during the Boston series.

by SoulEater7 on May 11, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just saying

statistics wise, tyrus does have some backing.

he’s in the company of lebron, wade, and howard. last i checked he was #4 in this category (blocks + steals).

but certainly, he’s got a ways to go.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because we all know

blocks and steals= defense

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't patronize me.

but he does happen to be in elite company with those stats. i wasn’t saying i thought he was a great defender, i just said i saw the argument for him and cited a reason why, given that these very stats are things the media actually consider when voting for the actual DPOY. and considering no one on this team is a prized jewel in terms of defense, it’s well enough to consider him because those are both defensive stats and he happens to do pretty well in those categories.

i don’t need your bullshit.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm fair enough

sorry if i hit a nerve. And exactly the media does hold those two stats to a high standard on defense, which irks me more since i know that blocks and steals are usually the aftermath of good defense not not the point of good defense. The fact that blocks are usually done from the helpside, and the fact that a guy like tyrus with incredible explosiveness has an easier time to get blocks, or the fact that a steal is awarded to the man who picks up the ball during hte turnover as opposed to the guy who actually knocked it away or deflected it…its things like that that make me mad about the media generalizing blocks and steals as the definition of good defense, as opposed to the result of great athleticism and timing.

I’m sure my comment sounded more cynical, and it definetly was sarcastic, but i didnt mean to be a (complete) ass. I just really dont agree with your premise of how tyrus has an argument just because he has many blocks and steals. I think he has the potential, but he has the potential for a lot of things at any rate. Not being able to man up on defense consistantly should automatically take you out of the running for any dpoy awards automatically…at least thats my thoughts.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if there's one thing i hate

it’s being treated like i don’t know what i’m talking about. and i mean do i think the media overrates blocks and steals? yeah i do. but that doesn’t mean they’re not worth taking a look at. and it’s not like i said ok he has many blocks and steals, he literally was #4 behind three top players in the league who were all candidates for DPOY, and do i think tyrus deserves to be considered for that accolade? hell no. he was also one of very few members of the NBA to have 100 of both. it’s still worth something.

where tyrus really fails on the DPOY category is rebounds. his career high numbers this season about equal deng’s averages for his career. not impressed.

but seeing as we don’t really have any stellar defenders (hinrich played less than half the season so i am not considering him) i can see picking tyrus, though i’d vote noah myself. that’s all i was saying. it wasn’t a terrible choice given the other people on the team, and has some statistical backing.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'll take Noah as a valid argument.

And I also agree with the argument that Kirk missed too many games to deserve the award. The stats certainly influenced my pick, but that was only one aspect I considered. Regardless of who we think is the winner of the DPOY “Boogie” award, I think the post (and our subsequent arguments) reveal that the Bulls have pretty solid interior defenders. Now if we could only work on a team defensive scheme…

by T-Boogie on May 11, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're comment about rebounding made no sense.

Tyrus had career low rebound rates this year, but his offensive and defensive rebound rates were still higher than any season of Deng’s. Thomas’s rebounding numbers weren’t great, but he’s not anything close to being a bad rebounding PF.

Deng did have more total rebounds than Tyrus had this season twice, but he 400+ more minutes than Tyrus in both seasons.

by Scotter on May 11, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i admit i was just glossing over averages, not rates

he’s not a bad rebounding PF, but there’s just too many nights where i look at the box score and he has like < 5 rebounds. i guess all i meant to imply is that that’s where i think he could really use to improve, and one reason i didn’t think he was better than noah this year. he definitely has the capability to grab rebounds… but he’s really inconsistent.

and it’s your, not you’re.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also just wanted to add

i know i’m no stat guru and i never pretend to be, but i do try to educate myself enough. also with tyrus, it frustrates me because i see what i know he can do, so i guess when he doesn’t live up to it, i look down on him more. i just wish he could be consistent and not pulling down 3 rebounds in 38 minutes and shit like that. of course, he needs more minutes…

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's not the Most Improved Defensive POY

And there were at least a few statements from different players that implied their defense was limited by Vinny’s schemes.

I can see the argument for saying Kirk missed too much, but I think that he was the best defender on the team by a mile when he was able to play.

And if you eliminate Kirk on the missed time thing, I’d go Joakim over Tyrus. Ty’s exciting and the blocks are fun highlight material – but Jo was way up there in blocks as well and played better man-to-man D than Tyrus.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 11, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah played better team d too

hustling back from the other side of the court and switching when needed.

Thomas was frequently in the wrong position, and it realllly pissed me off when we were playing 4 on 5 because he didn’t run back.

by 72-10 on May 11, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skiles was right after all.

Tyrus not hustling back gave them way too many easy fast break points. A defensive player of the year needs to show more consistent effort.

Noah also got beat up too frequently by stronger centers. If you look at the list, there’s guys like Dan Gazuric and Nick Collison getting season highs against us. Hopefully next year he can bulk up next year. So I’d have to go with Hinrich for the award.

by Rose MVP on May 11, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

Kurt is the choice… I was just comparing Noah to Tyrus on D. I think Noah had a better season.

by 72-10 on May 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't hang around much, huh?

We’ve all sort of taken to calling Kirk “Kurt” in mockery of Vinny’s unwillingness/inability to pronounce his name correctly.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 11, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't there also

this thought that its now a team joke or something (since now you can hear other players call kirk “kurt”)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's several fun angles

It does seem like the team, or at least a few of them, have picked it up.

I also kind of like the people who treat it like the good Kurt / bad Kirk alter ego kind of thing.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 11, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldnt you think

it would be the other way around,
good stuff = kirk
bad stuff = kurt

or maybe thats in the eyes of a person who thinks kirk in general is good. I would suppose if people that kirk really wasnt that good, whenever he did something good then he was the alter ego kurt….and that is what i call a mind job

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So seriously, Pic

I’m asking this as a fellow Kirk fan – have you reached the point where Kirk being traded would feel like a great thing, just to be done with all the negativity? I’ve spent some time at Blazer’s Edge the past week, and it’s so nice for a change to read posts from people who would be excited to have him play on their team.

And yeah, it would be nice if “Kirk” was the good player – but I think it seems more like “Kirk” is the mopey Iowan and “Kurt” is the “professional, energy, insert own Vinny cliche here” guy.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kurt gets all the love from the organization,

the media and the general fan-base, while they wait for the “evil” Ben Gordon to leave. :(

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on May 12, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

perhaps the organization….im surprised how many ben gordon fans believe they are the minority….or that rather kirk hinrich has the fans side….i think the opposite is really true. The only reason fans dont want gordon signed for the most part is because they feel it will interfere with 2010, it has nothing to do with kirk….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant here

And no, it hasn’t been as bad since he played well in the playoffs.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Kirk staying on the bulls and the bulls winning…thats a great thing, thats Ideal for me. However kirk going to portland just makes too much sense. Not only can we get back good reserves to backup our roster (a pg and a sf) but we free up some more room for 2010, while on the other side kirk gets put back into a starting role (perhaps the perfect starting role for him due to the players in portland and and actual coach) and perhaps plays some great basketball.

Portland is far closer than the bulls are to winning a championship. And i still believe that you give portland kirk and they become a serious contender for the west.

Also im starting to get to that point in my life where i am just trying to balance way too much, take kirk out of chicago and i probably wont mind missing a few bulls games, i wont stay up until 2am trying to catch highlights (the things rose and gordon and tyrus do always appear on youtube and highlight reels, watching kirk play the game was always watching my basketball idol and how he reacted to situations. So i want to watch kirk play defense or run the point for however long he is out there, but if he isnt out there, well then anything worth watching can be caught on highlights) im not on blogabull trying to argue why kirk is good or trying to defend what he does (blazers edge will probably compare him to blake and all would be fine) I wont have to look up trade rumors going about and see if kirk is gonna leave. I wont have to think about possible trades and what not because theres enough people on this site who can think and come up with ideas for the team.

What attracted me to blogabull was that i got a chance to type up “The Hinrich Manuever Defined”. What kept me at blogabull was the dissenting masses about who was better kirk or ben gordon, i had sort of a role on blogabull (at least in my own mind) of being one of the key kirk-backers. However once kirk is gone then what original insight can i offer this sight? Then i am simply yet another fan of the bulls, just wanting to see wins and hope that we can put ripples on the lebron james show.

I can always go to blazers edge, but they wont hate on kirk, they wont need a guy to defend him as a player, or to remind everyone how good he is, that place loves its players and they arent about to hate kirk, because he in a sense is thier white whale. The way matt got much of blogabull wanting miller, thats how that site is with kirk. And miller has had his bad stints while playing for the bulls, but we love miller regardless because we think of what we had, we think of who we wanted, and how could we hate that we got what we wanted? And hinrich is still a solid starter in this league, and hinrichs flaws will be more well hidden in portland than in any other place. No blazers edge would have no place for me unless for repetition.

 If kirk plays for another team, obviously i can only watch him when he is playing the bulls or is on tnt, the chances are higher if he is with portland since htey are on mainstream quite a bit.

So while i may be reading stuff on blogabull or blazers edge, my need to participate drops drastically, no more rants like this one. No more need to watch bulls games completely through, no more time wasted on trying to come up with ways to battle statistics (i have yet to find a way btw) Thats alot of time i save, alot of free time which i can direct on things like school and work, and family and friends.

All in all it isnt the negativity that makes me want kirk to be traded to portlands, it seems more like its the best thing out there for all parties, all teams, all players, all fans involved. And personally, i am starting to realize that all i am, or ever was, is a fan. A weak and powerless fan, who feel like its time to just accept inevitability and enjoy the positives of whatever happens for both the bulls and kirk hinrich.

(with this king of lengthy writing, ud assume id be a fit with blazers edge…but then what of my uniqueness?)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nicely said. But even if he would come to Portland we would still need people to defend Kirk on BE ;-)
  • The backup quarterback is always more loved than the starter. People see all the potential Bayless and Sergio Rodriguez (or whoever replaces him) have, not so much the stability a not very flashy starter like Blake or Hinrich brings.
  • People are and will be complaining that he costs twice as much as Blake, but isn’t twice as good as a scorer and passer, duh! And what he does much better on defense is harder to see and measure.

"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle

by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the end of the world as you know it...

(Well, not yet!)

I guess I’m just feeling melancholy about breaking the Bulls up. I know a lot (most?) people around here are more team fans over any player, and I get that because I’m like that with the teams I’ve loved since birth – but with the Bulls I came with Kirk and then got attached to the players. It won’t be the same whether Kirk or Ben are gone.

At least Tyson, Eddy and Noc had the decency to really piss me off by playing horribly right before they were traded. ;)

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 12, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh i get that a bit too

Although im a character guy. Whether it be watching a tv show, a movie, or reading a book or playing a video game, im drawn by the “characters” that participate in them and thier resemblance to me, my state of thought, or my philosophies. To enjoy the game of basketball, i need to play the game of basketball or participate it in it. However if i am watching basketball, then i need to watch it from a point of view of mindsight that i feel i can understand, and hinrich was that guy. His antics on the court immediately showed a semblance to how i would act, his game has nothing flashy about it so anything he did that was WOW, was something i could fathom and yet still hold that WOW factor. I cant watch lebron dunk and say “yep i know how that feels” cuz i cant dunk the ball on a ten foot rim, hell i cant dunk the ball the way he does on a 7 foot rim! But watching hinrich d up his man, make the right pass (easy and less flashy) i can relate to it, and i can imagine doing it, i can learn and master it like he has.

Basketball character kirk hinrich, his moves and antics really are what make the game so enjoyable for me to watch. Thabo might have been another guy but he never did pan out, and now the bulls really dont have a guy that i can relate to on the basketball court, im nothing like gordon or salmons, and i wish i was half as athletic as rose. I can appreciate the bulls winning and catch a few games to enjoy poetry in motion, but i dont need to watch 48 minutes of basketball to sustain that, i can just head out to the gym and participate in it.

I dont know if any of that makes sense….i guess its like your favorite character on a tv show or movie die, but they continue the series without your character, the appeal kind of goes away…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

if i compared my game to an NBA player...

it would be Antoine Walker (sadly), or perhaps Boris Diaw (but with better defense).

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on May 12, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so your a small-bigman

who can shoot and can defend? Thats pretty cool. Im a 5’8 version of kirk hinrich (smart heady player, unselfish, can knock down open shots and can get to the rim but might blow the layup, not a flashy ball handler but at the same time i can definetly control it, I have an easier time guarding really good scoring players as opposed to guardin small and quick guys who are great at passing. I can take guys one on one at times, but only if they are average defenders. Playing with my cousins, and due to constantly hearing about the bulls lack of a post player, i learned a few post moves, mainly i have a reliable hook and an off the block fadeaway. )

Now all we need is another guard (i can handle the basic point duties, but i tend to make the safe passes, and when i penetrate i instinctively go for a layup as opposed to keeping my head up and looking around, so if we can find one of those pesky small quick guards who are great passers i can play the off guard and can hit open jumpers or cut to the rim. Or else we can find a really good sg who attracts alot of attention offensively.) Another forward (since you are the shooter, id want the other one to be more of an inside guy) and a center (since in normal situations there arent any 3 second calls, i tend to like guys who can just eat up space and hold thier position. THey dont have to be stellar on any end of the court…so a guy like gray would be fine for me) and we would have a nice blogabull team!

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm like Luol Deng,

only 9 inches shorter!
And with a hook shot [seriously]!
You want me on your team

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, also, my max vertical is about a foot

… good times. :P

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh works for me

I wrote above that if me and bullieving were on a team we’d also need another forward who would be on the inside…just one question, how consistant is your hook, and do you have a midrange jumper or aggressive attacking the rim?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i liked your game breakdown there. LOL.

yeah, i compared myself to ‘Toine or Diaw cause i can score from all over the court. 5’11’, 215LBS. like to spot up and shoot, 3pt or mid-range, decent bank shot. have a decent post game that i’ve developed as i’ve put on few pounds over the course of my adulthood, hook shot, fade-away on block or baseline, up-and-under. i’m not great handling in the open court, and not great creating driving to the rim, but i’m good at finding my way to the open spot enough to get my shot off. though we only play full court games at the park i go to, i’m pretty effective in the half court offense, whether passing or spotting up, setting picks. i always hustle on D, always the first one back on D, never give up on the play, especially in transition, where i often pick up blocks defending transition buckets. like to mix it up a bit with the bigs down low, mainly trying to body them up, no easy scores on me, box out, play smart D. some kid on my team the other day pissed me off. i box out TWO dudes on a defensive board, and this kid just stands there as the ball ricochets towards him and lets another dude come in and just get the offensive board and put back. i’m like, “dude, if i’m boxing them out, you gotta go after the ball, not wait for it to come to you!”

we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt

by BULLieving in Miami on May 13, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta go after the ball

yea i get that too. I mean at 5’8 and 140lbs im usually one of the smallest guys on the court, but sometimes it feels like im the only one who wants to get rebounds on a team. I think it might be because its not like a league or something so most guys are more concerned about scoring as opposed to doing the little un-noticable things like get rebounds or play solid defense. Its always annoying. My philosophy is that the biggest thing in basketball is the ACTUAL basketball. You want to control it for as long as possible. THe longer you control it the more chances you have to get it into the other opponenets goal. Dive for basketballs, box out and grab rebounds, tap the ball away when the opponents are gonna get the ball even if its not going to be in your possesion,

I can guarantee if i was that other guy with you when you were boxing out, i wouldve at least TRIED to go for the basketball..

Ive had times when someone would get a steal and run the length of the court, and while the rest o fmy team would give up, i would run after the guy, because usually guys arent nba players, they still have a chance to miss easy layups (i mean after watching hinrich botch his i can say nba players miss them sometimes too) so i ran after the dude, and i yelled and shouted and jumped for a block id never reach. AND HE MISSED THE LAYUP. His friend got the rebound but i was already there, he took a shot, i contest it, he misses the close shot, the first guy gets the ball back and i go to contest him, he passes it back to his team mate and they get a score. I look towards my team mates and no one has moved an inch…that kind of thing makes me mad. If we had all run back, we couldve prevented the score..

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a midrange J and am constantly moving/slashing/setting screens

Maybe Noah with a midrange shot is a better comparison, because I hustle like him.
It’s taken me literally forever to get the shot, too. Heh. It’s very, very flat. I can hit threes, but I do better, oddly enough, shooting them miller-style [which is how my shot originally was].
My hook is consistent – I usually forget about it and don’t use it, but whenever I remember … I’d say 60-70%. I can do a skyhook-esque thing too, and can finish with either hand [the left hand hook is … coming along?].
I can’t really get into the lane though, except if I’m against slow people, because I don’t have good fake moves. I can dribble the ball between my legs and all that, but it basically turns into ‘Can I beat the guy to his right?’ followed with ‘Can I beat him to his left?!?’.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, also, take 'I can hit threes' with a massive grain of salt.

I’d say I hit something like 30% of the unguarded college 3.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats probably better than me

it may be because of my strength (or lack-there-of) but i hear its not about that when shooting 3s. From the college arch (or what used to be the college arch) im pretty consistant when wide open, but thats still only at like 60% clip. From teh college 3 point line i feel like, and im sure look like, i struggle. It takes a great deal of effor to get the ball to the rim.

My shot looks like luke waltons, in the sense that i drop my left hand to my side during my release. I tried hard to make my shot like like hinrich (sad…i know) but in the end i found that im a way better shooter when dropping my left hand (it doesnt really interact wtih the ball either so its mind boggling).

I tend to like shooting from the left baseline, or the right corner, those are the two spots i am most comfortable. In terms of going inside, its easier for me to go inside with the ball, without the ball i often feel out of place, so if i have a guy who isnt overly stronger than me ill take position in the post. From there i have great awareness and can see the court well, so i usually pass it out to a guy on the perimeter. All i have is a righty hook and a fadeaway from the block.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is strength,

because my arms are Noah-like [before he bulked up] … and the three point college line is really the limit of my range. Any farther and I have to shoot from my stomach, and I can do it but it’s pretty easy to block. It might also be jumping, because I can’t really do that either.
Luckily I get offensive rebounds like a beast [I have good awareness] and play good D.
Man … if I could jump I would be such a beast, but I can’t even touch a 9 foot rim. That’s with being able to touch an 8 foot rim with my standing reach. ><
The basketball career that never was.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually ...

I’d like to play against/with some people at BaB. That’d be cool. I have time coming up, too … woo summer [though I will be taking two classes/working 2~3 days].

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you ever join this gym

called lifetime (its a major chain ) which is a 24 hour gym you should come by in the summer (most likely around 11-12 at night) to the one in bolingbrook off of weber road/I-55 ill probably be there. Im easy to recognise, im the 5’8 paki guy wearing a red bulls jersey with the number 4 (but its not Sloan)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only other Bull to wear #4

was John Paxson.

im the 5’8 paki guy wearing a red bulls jersey with the number 4 (but its not Sloan)

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on May 13, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea its not paxson either

its this guy named omair

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by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't join gyms,

I just walk for hours. It’s a 30-minute walk from my house to school and I do it like 4 times a day since I don’t have a car. :P
Maybe I’ll borrow a car and go over there, though. Bolingbrook isn’t too far away. I was thinking something more like the Windy City Fieldhouse, but that’s really far too. … In the other direction, though.
Are there games being played there at 11-12?

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depending on the day

i think in the upcoming week there will be….alot of college kids on summer break…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man ... an hour. [I google mapped it.]

Chicago’s just so much closer. :P
Maybe if my summer drags … but I don’t see it happening. Bah.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what you kirk lovers think,

but it won’t be quite like that.

I came with Thabo, and haven’t left since his trade, this place still rocks in my mind. And I’ve become more of a fan of the Bulls (and all their players) than anything else really. Still follow what Thabo does, but it’s less sexy in OKC (for now).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 14, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should be joakim

for dpoy. some of the “career game” list is on others, like gooden. although the fact noah wasn’t getting much time back then is on him and his off season.

kirk doesn’t effect play to the degree a center or shot blocking power forward can, as good as he is/was.

certainly, the team turned around when kirk returned and noah played more.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on May 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with prety much everything you have said on this post

The Tyrus Thomas pick will be controversal but get ready for the arguments about putting BG ahead of Rose for player of the year. I agree with your pick of BG for all those reasons. He was their more most consistent player. Period. He was their leading scorer. Also he was the most depended on in the clutch. Remember it wasn’t until mid season, maybe after the Dallas game, that Vinnie took away the last second shot duties away from Rose and gave them back to Gordon. I also don’t think enough has been said about Rose’s progress being helped by the fact that he had a backcourt mate that demanded a double team. Ben had possibly his best year as a pro and his numbers got better in the playoffs. Not an easy feat. Great post.

by Dils on May 11, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“and his numbers got better in the playoffs”

Ben Gordon’s ’09 playoff FG%:

.388.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on May 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Buts thats A number, his steals, rebounds, blocks, assists, fg%, 3pt% all went down (his turnovers also went down so thats good)

THe only numbers that went up were his ft%, his points, his personal fouls, and his minutes. Considering that its a span of 7 games, and 3 of which went into overtime, and he is a starter, its no surprise that things like points and ft% would go up (more opportunities to do both)

I think one can believe that ben gordon kept his play consistant with the playoffs and regular season, but saying his NUMBERS went up, as if to imply he got better in the playoffs or something…i think thats inaccurate…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That tends to happen in the playoffs

The elite players are the guys who raise their games, and sometimes role players can come out of nowhere with some huge performances (see Davis, Big Baby).

He didn’t get better, but I don’t see how anyone can disagree that he had some huge games.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 11, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

definetly

i was really hoping rose would have another BIG game like the first one….he is such a tease…gordon’s last second antics….alot of people were questioning (including me) how clutch he was since last season, i think this playoff series showed exactly what a cold blooded killer he is when the pressures on. I especially liked watching ray allen vs ben gordon battle for the clutch shot…too bad ray allen won out, but its probably because of experience (and another proven all star with him…if this same series happens next year, the bulls will win mainly cuz d.rose should be able to string together more good games as opposed to teasers)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's mine

Bulls Player of the year: Ben Gordon
Runner Up Derrick Rose

Ben pulled another solid year for us, this time finally getting a bit more of the just respect though still oddly having many questions for us in the future. He was as consistent as ever this year, except this year he didn’t have his what seemed to be customary November shooting slump, so that helped his overall numbers. His defense improved, though at times down the stretch he reverted back to his “instant offense ways”. Ben’s ball handling also improved, though he still has an annoying tendency to get too flashy in key moments and be involved in unforced turnovers. I was most impressed with the way Ben finally displayed some on the court leadership this year, instead of being a quiet guy who plays his role, Ben was a motivator and that’s a nice thing to have going forward. Ben will be missed if he leaves, though at least with Salmons we could possibly weather it to a degree (presuming Deng gets back to himself). The Honorable mention of course was to Derrick, who was just absolutely fantastic for any player, let alone a rookie. This will be Derrick’s team going forward, and I think Ben is fine with that (which shows you how good Derrick is and how easy he is to work with….).

Offensive Player of the year Ben Gordon again followed by Derrick Rose. Ben was again sensational with the clutch shooting down the stretch and the fairly consistent 20+ PPG on a very good pts per FGA margin of 1.3…..putting him in an elite caliber of offensive player. Derrick was sensational as a rookie and seemed to be getting better at finding “his time” as the season progressed. A bit too tentative at times, but then again he’s 20 years old playing in his hometown…..the future is very bright for Rose and if we could keep BG, for the Bulls backcourt….

Defensive Player of the Year Joakim Noah
Honorable Mention Kirk Hinrich. Noah ain’t strong enough yet, but his rebounding and positioning were fantastic. Rarely does he seem to fall in the wrong place on D and his shot blocking presence really helps control the paint. Bulk Noah up and the Bulls will be solid. Kirk Hinrich played overall better D when he played, but the injury and the two-three weeks to get back to his normal shape, kind of lessened his impact. Kirk’s a great defender and moved back into that all D consideration….had he not been injured who knows. Tyrus THomas was still often out of position on D when he was on the help side or away from the ball. He’s got all the tools and has shown all the ability to be a lockdown defender on the best of them (Lebron for instance) but like eveyrthing else, Tyrus needs a bit more consistency.

6th Man Award Kirk Hinrich. Miller won a game for us with key shooting in the playoffs, but Kirk was “the stabilizer” all the 2nd half of the season for us and thus to me is an easier pick, no doubt also helped by the fact that Brad seemed to turn a good game after a perplexingly rough game the night before, or a good 2nd half after a terrible, turnover first half. But those 2 were pretty close, and I loved Miller’s big man leadership and tutoring.

Most Improved John Salmons. Sure Salmons improved from day 1 this year, but wow did he improve. Guys’ll say well he did score 17-18 ppg in a 15 game stretch or whatever the year before when Artest was out….that’s nice, but doing that for an entire year and then stepping into a new system and instantly being a leader….
Runners UpJoakim Noah and TYrus Thomas. Took a few months, but both had their wow moments. Tyrus was sensational in Feb and March and seemed he would lock this in, before he took a mini about face there at the end of the year and the playoffs (perhaps he got hurt against Golden State), still the future is bright, needs to work on timing mostly, but getting stronger wouldn’t hurt. Jo needs to hit the gym Both are going to dictate our future success….

Sad to see Go Andres Nocioni
Look I know everyone here (or a lot here) were frustrated wtih Noc, but I think if he can get himself healthy, he’s a good player. I think he was hurt all year after the Olympics last year, and injuries are a concern. Salmons is the better player both in pure talent and in game play, but Nocioni was a sad casualty of the Ben Wallace deal (And of Paxson’s HUGE contract foible).

Most Glad to See Go Drew Gooden. Larry really was not a major part of our team, and while he was a cancer, he was sitting the bench and really not playing too much in a role that greatly impacted our future. Drew Gooden now has a somewhat unfair bad rap, he’s not a bad player, but just a horrible fit to our team. What was frustrating though is that Drew would kill the offense and the defense and also that his minutes were stealing more time from Tyrus and Joakim.

Have to hope never comes back, aka the Chris Duhon award Aaron Gray. Why Aaron got so many minutes when he would essentially kill any mojo we had with his slow arm flailing non foot moving D and his “wow that was a quick move but an even quicker and wilder shot” was beyond me. Look he might be a nice guy, but he’s making too much money to hurt our team. Sayonara Aaron, good luck though in Europe where you could be effective cuz you can camp in the lane….

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 11, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why not give the duhon award to vinny

I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr

by Yibs on May 11, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see

Only 1 year of Vinny to 4 years of Duh….plus I don’t know Vinny did improve….it’s early….if the same crap happens next year he might win the honor of the title.

Vinny was far better than Boylan…..

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 11, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, we all know vinny is coming back next year

we knew we were letting du go and since the probability is not high that we are bringing gray back, i agree with him being a more suitable candidate.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 11, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont mind gray

i think he can be a guy like mike sweetney. If he continues to work on getting into better shape….i mean at some point having a guy like that will be useful if we ever go against a team with bad interior defense. Of course Gray has to get in shape, but i wouldnt be happy to see him go, hes a good bench warmer, one i dont mind having. Larry hughes really was the guy i hoped never comes back, there is nothing good about him at all (at least vinny had some ability to motivate his players)

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by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good reasoning for your picks.

I like the awards that you added, but I do have a couple comments on Sasquatch. The big fella definitely is not a starter, but he’s a good 3rd string center since he does have at least something to offer (a soft touch and serviceable post moves). He’s also not making that much (I believe it was under $1 million), so I don’t see usurpation of cap space as one of his faults. Bad defense, weak finishing, poor rebounding, frequent fouling, and immobility are some definite faults, but not price.

by T-Boogie on May 11, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My issue's with Stay Puff

Is that every time he’s in, our team sucks. He can’t defend worth a damn, and makes it worse by flailing the arms for silly ticky tack fouls.

My comment on the $$ wasn’t a cap hold comment, it was that he’s making $800K to ruin this team. I think we can do a lot better. Gray needs to work on foot drills and lose another 40-50lbs to be somewhat effective as a good 3rd stringer…..and that’s just not worth it to me.

Plus having him on the bench in lieu of someone else, means he’ll play likely when Noah or Miller go down from injury, and playing Gray in 20 minutes a game intervals will absolutely kill our team as his defense is horrible….just horrible.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 12, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tyrus for DPOY? I don't see it

don’t get me wrong, the block-streak he had going was plenty impressive, but his man-to-man defense is still shoddy. If you need proof, go back and watch Big Baby tear him up for 7 games.

by darksmokepuncher on May 11, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.blogabull.com/2009/1/14/724428/bulls-102-raptors-98-overc#11478043

scroll about 3/5ths of the way down the page, and you get to a post by “SouthWestSideGus” who kept a tally of players who put up season/career highs on us up until about the 14th of January.

If we don’t coun’t Lebron (because he’s Lebron), 14 out of the 20 people on that list are primarily frontcourt players.

I understand that back then, Drew Gooen was still getting a good deal of minutes, but Tyrus wasn’t exactly shutting people down either. Our frontcourt has a long way to go on both ends of the court.

by darksmokepuncher on May 11, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

I remember that list….those were the good ol’ days.

Link to direct quote.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 11, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rookie of the Year:

Derrick Rose

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on May 11, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who Wins Coach of the Year?

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on May 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pete Myers

He was furthest fron the bench.

by El Toro de Goro on May 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!

how many coaches actually provide solid minutes ON the Court!!! (very limited, but solid)

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by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to VDN

he can even play center!

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 12, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious

is that true, did he actually once say that?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game 7 of the playoffs

He tried to sub in Hunter for Noah. The refs stopped him though [it was too late].

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you have to say

He was going to rotate the other players there….our small ball lineups were our best options in that series.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 12, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except when Miller was our only big.

That killed us. Absolutely killed us.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 13, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, they blew the whistle and called "asinine coaching move"

and let him off with a warning.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

I’d suggest Rose for Player of the Year, however, and I don’t think it’s close. While BG had a wonderul playoffs and a career year, the entire team was built around Rose. He was the focal point from the beginning. When I look back on this season in years to come, I’ll think of it as Rose’s amazing rookie year where we took Boston to seven, not Gordon’s career year where we took Boston to seven.

by arjoseph on May 11, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m with all your picks, PoY is Ben by a shade over the rook… but Rose will be the man for the rest of his career, he’ll get a little more offensive minded and improve defensively

by wiltfongjr on May 11, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some more awards....

Newcomer of the year: Derrick Rose
Honorable Mention: John Salmons

I just thought it was unfortunate that Rose didn’t win one fan award, so I thought I’d give him a category especially suited for him. For the first time since MJ retired, the Bulls have a player who is capable of being among one of the very best in the NBA. Rose’s combination of athleticism and skill should have him in contention for the all star game next season. He certainly can improve in some areas, but overall, he had a great season.

Salmons was the trigger that turned the Bulls mediocre offense into a good offense at the end of the season. His combination of 3pt shooting and efficient drives helped up the Bulls overall efficiency and make the Bulls less reliant on big games from Gordon and Rose. He was better than I thought he was going to be on offense, but a bit disappointing on defense. Overall, a very nice pick up by Pax.

Most Disappointing: Luol Deng
Dishonorable Mentions: Drew Gooden and Nocioni

Lu Deng had a horrible year. There is simply no disputing that. He played up to his abilities for about 2 weeks this season, sulked at times, didn’t expand his game, and was injured throughout the season again. Deng played so badly, he was literally forgotten come playoff time. No one even mentioned that we were missing the $12 million dollar man. Next season is make or break time for Deng. I hope he realizes that.

Drew Gooden and Nocioni.. wow. The Bulls had 2 trigger happy, defensive albatrosses on the team for 2/3’s of the season, and it was like a weight off all our shoulders when they left. Drew Gooden is the best definition of an unleader in basketball. Nocioni needs structure and only about 10 minutes a game to be effective. Goodbye and good riddance. I would have been disappointed with Larry Hughes’ play, but I had no expectations.

by Basketball Smurf on May 11, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heh dishonorable

very nicely done sir

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 11, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your extra awards,

and I did feel guilty for not finding an award for Rose (I’m sure he doesn’t care, though, since R.O.Y. beats the hell out of winning a “Boogie”). The newcomer award would have taken care of that, and I agree with both of your nominations.

by T-Boogie on May 11, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather win a Boogie award

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on May 12, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Stoners on the Bulls

Joakim Noah and Brad Miller. Is there any other Bulls players that smoke pot?

by 420man! on May 12, 2009 3:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roberson

i mean, he is noah’s best friend or something, tim thomas? Vinny im sure has had a few hits…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see Vinny as more of a Vicodin man.

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on May 12, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vinny should try pot

Maybe that will help him come up with more creative plays.

by 420man! on May 15, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Noah, thanks for this stuff ..."

“You know how to shoot jumpers, right?”

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vinny:

Waaaah!!! I forgot we had Tyrus on teh bench?

by 420man! on May 17, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Award Requests

A few awards I’d like to see handed out:

Best Single Game Performance
Best Single Game Performance from someone completed unexpected
Worst Hair Styling (facial or otherwise)

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by chowder on May 12, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best Single Game Performance: Rose’s 36-point game in game 1
Tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s record for most points by a rookie in his first playoff game.

Best Single Game Performance from someone completed unexpected: Hinrich’s 31 points against Milwaukee.
He got angry when he didn’t get a foul call, then went crazy in the 4th quarter and led us to a win when we were shorthanded after trading Noc and Gooden

Worst Hair Styling: Joakim Noah
I wonder why he doesn’t cut it…

by Rose MVP on May 12, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he uses it as weopen of sorts

If he gets a rebound he always whips his sweat drenched hair around, i dont know about other nba players, but that would definetly make me want to hesitate before getting close to noah.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha... sweat drenched hair

Maybe it also gives him a few extra pounds to help him hold his position better. Otherwise he’d get pushed around even more easily by opposing centers.

by Rose MVP on May 12, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AT the gym me and my friends once played a 3 on 3 against crafty veterans

by crafty veterans i mean, old out of shape guys. But yea they were crafty. The one i was guarding was maybe two inches taller than me, and like 1 hundred lbs heavier….ALL FAT!! And man was he hard to guard. He would try to take me to the post, and i had to fight off vomit when keeping my body on him since he sweated profously. So i switched and tried to front him, where he purposely would breathe, through his mouth, hard on me….it was the most disgusting person i have ever guarded, and i pride myself in my defense, but i simply gave it up. It actually motivated me, since my best bet became to hit my shots, nail them and keep scoring so i never have to get back on d….gah…just thinking about it makes me cringe…i feel sorry for his wife…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on May 12, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old people are gross, can’t we implement a Logan’s Run type carasal (sp?) to thin out their numbers.

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on May 13, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best single game performance

Was Tim Thomas’s game 2 as a Bull against I think Orlando, when he went crazy and hit everything.

I expect Kirk to step up quite a bit, he’s often passive (too passive) but can prove he can be more a scorer if need be (see even 2007-2008 when Luol and BG were out)….but those first 2 games of Tim Thomas before he hurt his back were really something…..

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I meant best single game performance by someone you wouldn’t expect….

Best single game performance easily was Rose’s 36 pt 11 assist explosion in playoff game 1….followed closely by the first 17 pt 4th quarter game against hte Raptors in I think late Nov (That too cuold be something unexpected….I mean that was unreal….and right in with BG’s 22 pts against the Bobcats early on as a rook in the 4th)…..but with Rose we saw so much other upside and then that happened…..followed in 3rd by BG’s 51 in a losing effort in game 2 in Boston…

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 13, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah definitely has some bad hair, but there is definitely some competition. Gooden’s braided goatee was pretty horrendous. Salmon’s goatee was bad as well. Neither, Noc or Gray pulled off the wild man look with any success.

This is actually one area where VDN might have some expertise, come on Vinnie help you rplayers out!

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on May 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah's Hairs and Teeth

Are tactical in a sense that they can be used to distract the other team.

by 420man! on May 17, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like Rodman's hair.

He could have kept it black, but to distract the other team, he changed the color.

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on May 17, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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