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Are we being fooled again?

We are young, we took the World Champs to 7 games in a wonderful series, and hopes are high.  We even have a diary that is a Tribute to the 2008-9 Bulls.  We heard this before.  After the 2006-7 49 - 33 season we beat Miami, who were the world champs 4 - 0 and then took a strong Detroit team to 6 games.  Perception for the 2007-8 team did not meet reality.  The reality for 2007-8 was we were were not a good team.  In retrospect, Miami wasn't as good as we thought.  Deng fizzled.  Gordon was an easy target to stop at the end of games.  The great coach Skiles was not as great as we thought.  We finished the 2007-8 season 33 - 49. 

Let me say that I am excited about Rose and loved the way we played against Boston.  However, we were burned in 2007-8 and I am wondering how good we will be 2009-10.  Do I see the Bulls through the tunnel vision of a Bulls fan or objectively?  Here is what I am wondering.

  1. If Detroit picks up Boozer will we be better than Detroit?
  2. Will we be better than Washington who will have Arenas, Jamison, Butler and Haywood plus a high first round pick? 
  3. Will we be better than a healthy Indiana? 
  4. Will we be better than a Philadelphia team attempting to integrate Elton Brand again?
  5. Will we be better than a Charlotte team that has an excellent coach now with players that fit his system?
  6. Will we be better than a Toronto team that played with Calderon injured a significant part of the season and seemed to improve when he returned at the end of the season?  Will Toronto rebound in 2009-10 like the Bulls did this year?
  7. Atlanta and Miami seem to be improving.  Do we feel we can leap over these teams?
  8. Milwaukee played most of the year without Redd and Bogut.  Will we be better than Milwaukee?
  9. How good is the Boston team we played toe-toe?  Are we being fooled by a mediocre Boston team without Garnett like we were against Miami?
  10. Unless I am totally off we should be better than NJ and the Knicks.

I remain very hopeful and am really looking forward to next year.  We may be better than the teams listed above.  Rose should improve and if we retain Gordon and Deng returns to the pre- 2007 Deng this could be fun.  However this is a tough league and we will not be the only team that appears on the rise next year.

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Nice post

Tough to tell….though I liked the synopsis (especially the healthy Indiana team thought)…

I certainly hope we aren’t being fooled. There seems to be a lot more pure talent on this roster with real upside (vs smart, system oriented players not great on pure god-given talent, but guys who knew the game and their role, that had folks going crazy about us after the Heat series). I do also think that the current Celtics team is far better than that Heat team was with a 60% D. Wade on it—funny how folks are downgrading the Magic so much right now…..as they are a team full of streaky outside shooters (enough of them too to be deadly) and the best C/big in the game…..neither team is poor….yet to here, it’s all the West and Cavs right now. THe Magic did, last I remember win 59 games this year….and sure Nelson’s hurt, but come on in Nov, nobody would have made a big deal about Jameer being hurt, he was just the guy stepping up, now it’s back to Hedo and Rashard….

Anyway, yeah I think that Celtics team without KG still has 2 superstars (Allen and Pierce) 1 up and coming star who if he shot a bit better from the outside might have superstar on him too (Rondo) and a nice cast of role players (Perkins, Davis, etc)….they aren’t a rollover…..

Anyway, this team has upside so long as Tyrus, Noah and especially Rose improve, and those are 3 of the most talented soon to be 2nd-4th year players in the entire league, so that’s why it’s nice to think glowingly about us….but again Noah (conditioning) and Tyrus (bball IQ) can be frustrating….don’t forget though that we were awfully banged up this year (Deng pretty much 70% of the year though he played in some games hurt), Gooden, Nocioni, Kirk Hinrich, etc.

Hopefully too Harris and Bickerstaff can work more with Vinny to get more out of him.

4/30/2009 GAME 6: Joakim Noah is God.

by majoyenrac on May 11, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If they keep making the same mistakes, then yes it will be another drag

Difference this time is Derrick Rose, and if he continues to improve the team will be at least decent.

I actually think the East will be similar to how it is this year. Philly is likely to lose Andre Miller, and will try to trade Dalembert for cap relief. Miami’s future depends on how much Beasley can play, and whether the coach trusts him. Who knows what direction Detroit is headed in, they could easily start trading away some of their key guys, Rasheed most likely isn’t coming back, McDyess might leave. Overall, it’s just way too early to start making comparisons. When free agent season begins, the draft is over, etc we will all have a much better idea of where the rosters stand.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 11, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the offseason could make a big difference

I’m optimistic about the team anyway – but I always am in the offseason. I do think the team will be better in an on-the-court sense, but no way to evaluate how that fits into the overall east until closer to season start.

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by wjb1492 on May 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would your solutions be?

I’m just curious because most of your points are things I’ve thought of too. I’m cautiously optimistic, but after 2007 I’m leaning towards the cautious side. I think 43 wins is the over/under at the moment… depending on the off season of course! In the east that isn’t going to be that bad, but it might only be good enough for the 4-5 seed

Do you think that if we determine we can’t get Bosh, we should make sure to sign Boozer so Detroit can’t get him? Are there any other free agents we should target this off season?

by 72-10 on May 11, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The more I try to figure out how to get better the more I realize how little I know

43 wins seems like a good place to start for 2009-10. I liked the Curry and Chandler combination and I thought they were going to take us to the top. I liked Jamal Crawford. Basically i was dead wrong on all three. Crawford is arguable. My best call was I hated the Ben Wallace signing from the get-go. I’ve learned a great deal here about the importance of managing the cap. This brings me to Boozer. Boozer seems to be a great fit for what we need – so is Bosch. We do not have the cap space to sign Boozer. Boozer screwed Cleveland and I am not a big fan of his personality. i heard I think via Hoopshype that Detroit is souring a bit on Boozer. Bosh would be a great fit but it seems every team in the NBA want him.

by chgobr on May 11, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, my ride needs a tune-up!

Thanks for the reminder! ;-)

And the answer is YES, if we believe this is a 4 or 5 seed. Based on finishing strong against a weak schedule, BOS minus KG, so-called expert opinion, and the status quo that is.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on May 11, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sign Boozer so Detroit can’t get him?.....

and that strategy worked well with Ben Wallace… And don’t get in a huffy about how you can’t compare the two,,, because at that time, Ben Wallace was considered a defensive force and who knows, maybe Boozer has already hit his peek. He is some what undersized ala Ben Wallace…. But more importantly, I was just saying that your strategy to sign a player to simply keep them away fom Detroit is flawed.. especially here

by yetti on May 17, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great questions brought up in this post - who are we better than?

My question to everyone in return: Does the better team always win more games?

There are always injuries, player tiffs, coaching snafus (VDN), not to mention in today’s league the salary cap screws stuff over. It’s too hard to predict draft pick performance anymore. I guess luck helps a bunch.

My main concern is if the Bulls hold the team together with the same players, will they produce more than this past season? chgobr’s ost seemed to ask that as well…. will they lay an egg after the previous playoff success they had and the team was held intact? Or at this point, do the Bulls require a “shake-up” in order to be successful?
I wish I had the answer…. all I can do is ask questions as well.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on May 11, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

great questions, but let's not focus on them too much

It’s very important to consider these questions for a moment to regain prospective of where the Bulls stand right now. You are right: the 2010 playoffs are absolutely not a given for the current roster.

At the same time, I hope that Bulls management is not trying to make the playoffs in 2010, but rather win a championship sometime in Rose’s prime. I don’t want to see moves for the sake of short term improvement that may backfire in the mid-/long- term.

So here’s what I care about: what moves do we need to make to become a great team eventually?

by bob horse on May 11, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good stuff… I fear the same thing, Noah getting consistent and averaging a double double, finding a post move, and tough D will help…

by wiltfongjr on May 11, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fooled? Maybe Bulls Mgmt &VDN sat Tyrus purposely during playoffs???

and labeled him near idiot and almost uncoachable just to resign him to a favorable extention? Could someone (ie “Gar”) have real fiscal salary cap strategy unlike anything witness during Paxson’s reign?

man up!

by exult463 on May 11, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Things to think about

I definitely think that the East will be better next year and if Paxson thinks he can get by with VDN and the logjam in the backcourt again, we will surely return to the Boylan era. McGraw had a great column about VDN’s failure to use Tyrus down the stretch against BOS. I am willing to part with him in any trade that nets an elite four, but am comfortable with him going forward, as long as the team has him playing 35-38 minutes a night.

BG needs to be resigned – hopefully at a price that does not completely break the bank. The Hinrich to Minnesota (for cap relief in the form of non-guaranteed 2nd round picks) or GS (for a young big) deals should be pursued. I don’t have a read on Salmons, so I don’t know how he would feel about being the swing SG/SF, but surely there are thirty minutes a game backing up BG and Deng.

Hopefully, the Bulls prevail upon Deng to stay home this year and away from the GB national team. With the way that defenses were zoning up Rose at the end of the year and in the playoffs, it should reignite Luol’s weakside slashing game – largely lost in VDN’s horrific half court offense.

We will need to identify a legitimate backup PG and sturdy PF to stabilize the second unit and provide a little interior defense and lateral movement (with apologies to Brad Miller).

I would love for Pax to come to his senses and get Eddie Jordan in here – some of his Princeton concepts would surely complement our up and down game. Vinny should have to answer for the fact that there were not 3-5 baseline alley oops in the playbook for Tyrus Thomas…or how about the fact that he almost never put players in a position to succeed. I fear, however, that he will not be held accountable until the twentieth game (as many here have suggested) and we will have another wasted year with the Harris / Bickerstaff combo at the helm.

by Gene Banks on May 11, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My two cents...

   1. If Detroit picks up Boozer will we be better than Detroit?— We will be, because Detroit has an underachieving, and subpar core to build upon. McDyess had his best season already, and there’s nothing for them going forward
   2. Will we be better than Washington who will have Arenas, Jamison, Butler and Haywood plus a high first round pick? – Offensively, I think the Wizards will be better. But the key is health. Only Jamison has proven to be reliable; Arenas, Haywood and Butler will always be a huge question
   3. Will we be better than a healthy Indiana?- This is a playoff team next year, but we will be a higher seed.
   4. Will we be better than a Philadelphia team attempting to integrate Elton Brand again?- As it stands, we will be significantly better than Philly. That team is it is will be stuck in mud, because Iguodala and Brand’s skills don’t mesh. And the fact that they don’t have any outside shooters is fatal.
   5. Will we be better than a Charlotte team that has an excellent coach now with players that fit his system?- Same as Indy.
   6. Will we be better than a Toronto team that played with Calderon injured a significant part of the season and seemed to improve when he returned at the end of the season? Will Toronto rebound in 2009-10 like the Bulls did this year?- Marion is most likely gone next year. Will a core of Calderon and Bosh plus a bunch of spare parts sound better than Rose, Tyrus, Salmons and Noah? I take the Bulls any day.
   7. Atlanta and Miami seem to be improving. Do we feel we can leap over these teams?- We can top Miami. I predict Wade will break down quite a bit next year. As I had im in my fantasy team this year, his production really tried off when March and April arrived. And in the playoffs, he was really bothered by Atlanta’s hard nosed defense. Atlanta is what it is. I don’t think they improve at all next year, so we have a chance to leapfrog them next year I feel.
   8. Milwaukee played most of the year without Redd and Bogut. Will we be better than Milwaukee?- This is my darkhorse next year. But again, I think its too much to hope for tha this team will be injury free for the whole season.
   9. How good is the Boston team we played toe-toe? Are we being fooled by a mediocre Boston team without Garnett like we were against Miami?- The Celtics better get used to playing without KG a lot, because that’s going to be a more glaring issue next year. Garnett has played more than a thousand NBA games already. He’s breaking down. Pierce is getting slower and slower every time I watch him play. Rondo will be good, but the Celtics will take a step back next season. If we have Deng 100%, I say we’re miles better than Boston.
  10. Unless I am totally off we should be better than NJ and the Knicks.- This goes without saying =)

Although I believe that we still have a legitimate chance to really rock the East next season, it depends on a lot of crucial factors. Can Luol improve to potential all-star level like he was in just 2 seasons ago? Can Rose improve his man to man defense, so that he won’t be a liability? Will VDN expand his knowledge of the NBA game to try different offensive and defensive strategies?

So many more questions to answer. But I still remain positive.

by rainman1003 on May 11, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe...

your extremely subjective sentiments reflect exactly what this post is worried about.

by McCabe on May 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010

I waitin for that year to determine the next 10…

by 420man! on May 12, 2009 3:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s all in Gar Paxdorf hands

If we make the right moves this offseason and have a little bit of luck during the regular season with injuries, I can see us being a top 4 team in the East. We just need to find a way to get Bosh ASAP and resign BG. That’s all I ask.

Yeah, sure, Washington, for instance, will have Arenas, Jamison, etc, etc, but all of them a year older. And our core of players will continue to be young. We need to have positive thoughts. I mean, I know the Celtics suck without KG, but I liked the way we played. We showed a lot of heart, played some defense and pushed them to the limits. How many of us thought that we could do that after our loss to Toronto? (I didn’t)

Rose, BG and Bosh. That should be our Big Three next year. And with Salmons/Deng and Noah, we should be a really good team. Maybe not so good as Cleveland or Orlando, but better than Indiana, Philly, Milwaukee and Washington, at least.

by bull83 on May 12, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You guys have Rose now

things will be much different

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by prezofdeath on May 12, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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I think Detroit makes some big moves this offseason. I could see them signing BG and getting a 4, maybe an Amare, maybe a Boozer. Maybe they’ll deal Prince.

Even if Washington gets Blake Griffin, I believe the Bulls will be better than that team. I’m not sure that Washington team gets in the playoffs while I expect the Bulls to challenge for home court in the first round.

We will be better than a healthy Indiana.

Philly is a clusterfuck. Elton Brand slowed that team down, Andre Miller is probably gone, and they can’t dump Dalembert. And do they even have a coach yet? I think Philly has the potential to miss the playoffs next year, but it really depends on how this offseason pans out.

We will be better than Charlotte, but how much better depends on what Charlotte ends up with in the draft. If they get Griffin and get something in return for a deal involving Felton, that team can challenge for the playoffs.

I expect Toronto to rebound this year but how much so depends on the draft. In other words, I expect them to be better but not necessarily a lock for the playoffs. And this is assuming they keep Bosh.

I don’t see Miami as an improving team unless they get a breakout year from Beasley or a big name in return for him, like an Amare or a Bosh. Do you try to reunite Bosh with O’Neal again? Does Amare push them past Orlando?

I think Milwaukee will be a markedly different team personnel-wise by the time the season starts. I don’t see them going into next year with Redd and Jefferson both on that roster. I think they’re closer to rebuilding than challenging for the playoffs.

As much as I hate to say it, Big Baby broke out. Everyone mentions Rondo, but the Celts frontline is decimated. No KG, no Powe, and Big Baby basically doubles his regular season output at this high level of competition. I think Boston is legit, think they will win the Orlando series, and think they can take 2 games, maybe 3 from Cleveland. I’m not kidding. I could be way wrong.

No need to mention the Nets and the Knicks.

I am bullish on the Bulls, even moreso should they retain BG. If BG is happy with his contract, I could see him coming off the bench but still getting his 30+. A backcourt bench of BG and Hinrich is absolutely sick, though clearly a luxury. I fully expect them to address the 4 position, don’t expect to see Tyrus back, expect to see more lineups with Salmons and Deng playing together, expect a signficant leap from Rose and Noah (assuming he is not involved in a deal), and think the Bulls will actually have a chance to get something of value with the #16 or be able to package it in a deal; it won’t be a waste.

The biggest thing is do the Bulls manage to land an offensive stud at the 4? Though Bosh is not a post presence. Amare really isn’t either but he is a power player. This assumes that Amare can see. I’d rather have Bosh, don’t get me wrong.

by messwiththebull on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 2007 Bulls were different from the 2009 version

Hinrich – Gordon – Deng were quality young players, but they were limited. You see their statistical APMs, and really only Hinrich had the potential to become a +4 / +5 player. Deng and Gordon didn’t pass enough, and weren’t good enough defenders. Deng didn’t have the athleticism, Gordon the frame.

Rose – Tyrus – Noah is at another level, frame-wise and athletically. Rose and Noah can both be +4 / +5 players, maybe higher, and Tyrus still has more upside than Gordon or Deng ever had. While the 2007 Bulls scratched and clawed defensively to get to 49 wins, the 2009 Bulls barely played defense, had Gooden and Hughes for half the season, and still got to 41-41.

I wouldn’t worry about next year’s Bulls, Rose and Noah are pretty awesome.

by YaoPau on May 20, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bulls still have to worry about VDN

they did every thing they did this year inspite of their coaching, not because they had good coaching…

I think unfortunately the bulls will have another mediocre year, which will make it apparently obvious that a new coach is needed to maximze the talent… actually maybe he’ll be gone in the middle of the season, and a temporary coach will be brought in to lead a run to the second round – but thats a best case scenario

by darealting on May 25, 2009 3:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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