Gordon: "I was thinking that I can't believe that this could be my last game here"
"I was thinking that I can't believe that this could be my last game here (as a Bull), and I have to sit and watch,'' Gordon said. "It was really awful. I'm just glad my teammates gave me another chance to play.''
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I think I know what he meant...he just chose a really interesting way to put it.
Oh yeah, PAY BEN GORDON
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I agree. And rec'd--pay BG!
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Was thinking about that too
I missed him fouling out, did the crowd give him any sort of recognition as he left the court?
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It was a bit too intense at that time for people to really be thinking about it, I think.
This thought didn’t even cross my mind while I watched, e.g. I was just thinking about how bullshit it was that he got those two “fouls” in such quick succession, and how inconsistent the refs were calling the game (swallowing their whistles sometimes and calling super-touch fouls the next, and it went both ways so it wasn’t really bias, just incompetence).
Way too tense
I was wondering if that was it myself.
Hearing BG say he wondered if that was it as a Bull, makes me think he wants to come back here now that we’re a team. Hope it can work out.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
not that I remember...
…and as usual, Stacey King dogged him out. He said something like “that wasn’t really a smart foul by Ben…”.
What he failed to mention was that he was guarding Pierce at the time, and the Bulls were playing ultra small. So Ben was pretty much set up for failure. I actually thought that he jumped out of the way on the foul call, but I guess he got enough of Pierce’s body to warrant a foul.
The play before that, I believe Ben was guarding Big Gravy Davis in the post. So it was pretty much an inevitable that Ben was gonna foul out last night. Especially after getting his 4th and 5th within 5 seconds of each other. And both of those were ticky-tack.
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by NormVanBeer on May 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey now
I’m sure the C’s broadcasters called out Ray Allen when he fouled out in game 5 chasing around Gordon. Oh wait, they’d never ever ever do that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 1, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
I never thought of it that way, but what the F is the Bulls team broadcasters problem. Other team guys are complete homers, King especially seems to want to keep the BG debate alive….that happens all the time.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
And King was always saying
Larry gave a good effort too, Larry was playing really well for us (after Larry played 5 straight games of awfulness, but suddenly hit a few shots)….
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Don't remember that at all...
I remember both King and Funk killed Larry several times for being terrible.
I remember it a lot on
Mike and Mike and in the broadcasts (before Larry complained the 2nd time)…..
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Nah, they praised his tallness a lot
and called him “Big Shot Larry” for that one shot he made in the midst of sucking. But he’s tall so….
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I'd rather have objectivity than unabashed homerism.
by arjoseph on May 1, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have a little of both
But certainly don’t want all the constant rips on our guys. Last I looked Funk wasn’t in the league, and King was a godawful bust on a championship team…
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Stacey King is the VERY LAST guy who can comment on smart play.
He turned out to be a pretty decent coach in the CBA if i’m not mistaken, but as a player Stacey King was a big time buster. I will never forget the looks MJ and Scottie used to shoot his way after some of the dumb plays he’d make…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 3, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Around where I was someone tried to start a chant of 'Bullshit',
but yeah, I think the crowd was too distracted as a whole.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
I don't like the sound of this
I think BG wants to stay. But I fear he won’t. Pax and JR should move quickly when the time to resign him comes
PAY THIS MAN!
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
like to add
that he still sucks @ D and our star PG is taller than him…still…
PAY THIS MAN!
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
I can't agree with this.
If Gordon wants to be overpaid do you want to pay that price?
Let’s assume this summer they start over and we forget what Gordon or the Bulls wanted to give him in the past couple of seasons. But if it comes to the point where Gordon wants to be paid like an all star or superstar do you “PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY”?
I still think you try and keep Ben for the reason that you don’t lose a high draft pick for nothing. But we must remember that one bad contract can cripple a team for years. And we already have two players with horrible contracts (Deng/Hinrich).
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on May 1, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
I want him to stay, but at the right price. I don’t know what that is, but I’m sure it’s less than he’s looking for.
I don’t get the “pay the man” sentiment after this game. BG’s game last night was not a game that brings out the BG-lovefest. Granted he was hurt and I credit him for being out there, but that was an exhibition of all the things I can’t stand about his game:
- Forced shots
- Killing ball movement
- Bad defense
- End-of-game BG play: Pound the ball for 8 seconds and settle for a contested jumper
Now, he absolutely got jobbed on some of those foul calls and he was trying to work through the screen when he picked up his last few fouls. But there were a number of plays when R. Allen ran to the corner and BG made no attempt to chase him to the corner. Maybe because he’s hurt, but regardless of the reason you can’t have him in the game guarding Allen if he can’t play D 100% of the time.
I was sad that he fouled out, because it may be his last game in the UC as a Bull, but from a win-Game-6 perspective I was not sad to see him sit. Better defensive team, and Salmons did what BG does not – take the ball to the rim.
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I think it's a little unfair...
For people to wait until Gordon has his first truely bad game of the series to bag on him and point out the defeciencies in his game. Where was all this Salmons love when he was shooting us out of games in Games 1,2, and 3 and BG was carrying the load? Everyone was saying that Salmons was injured. Well BG is injured now. Why can’t he get the benefit of the doubt. Take Game 5 for instance. On a injured hammy he gives us 26pts, 6ast, 1 turnover,helped get Allen to foul out, hit 3 big free throws and played 50 mins. Yet all I heard about was the amount of shots he took and the bad Game winning shot he took.
I may sound like a BG apologist, and yeah he needs to play better defense but I watched Hinrich get lit up by Allen as well last night. Coming in late on switches. Also missing wide open layups and big freethrows when it matters most. Ben isn’t perfect but I think the guy deserves to get paid and I think he’s important to this team.
by Dils on May 1, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you realize that 3 of the four points you make are because...
….as the best (and sometimes only) offensive option on this team things like that are going to happen. As for the defense, Gordon is not NEARLY as bad as people make him out to be. Much like Tyrus Thomas isn’t nearly the bonehead that people make him out to be.
As for overpaid, what do you think is a fair number? And being realistic here, do you think that Gordon looks at Deng and Hinrich and feels inferior to those guys? I seriously doubt it.
Now watch Gordon end up a Piston or a Cavalier and it’s gonna come back to bite the Bulls in the butt.
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 3, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Pistons have the cap space
And Dumars might want to bring him in because he reminds everyone of “The Microwave”, but I doubt that’ll happen because the Pistons want frontcourt help. They’re satisfied with Rip and Stuckey. Dumars traded away Billups because he believed in Stuckey so he has to pay that man. And Will Bynum produces a nice little spark off the bench for them. Hell even Affalo had some decent games towards the end. None of them are the scorer that BG is, but they will command about 1/3 of the salary that BG wants. Honestly, I can’t see where his big payday is going to come from.
And as for him going to the Cavs…..exactly what salary cap money will they be paying him with? The mid-level exception?
What a selfish thing to say
Like most of you i have a love hate thing with BG!!!! Hate when he forces shots in the clutch but love when they go in. The only reason we one last night was because BG was sitting on the bench and that’s when our defense got better. Just look at the times in the series when we are up by double digits and then Ray kills us. BG even though hurt has been dogging in on getting thru screens time and time again. If we keep him next year it should be at a homer price in my opinion if not let him bounce and take his act elsewhere.
Uh, Ray killed us no matter who was on him.
You can’t really blame that on BG.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
lol
Just look at the box score. Ray killed all of us. Case closed.
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When Ray is hitting threes over a jumping Joakim Noah who's only 2 feet away
seems pretty unstoppable.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Precisely Prevenge.
That’s just like when these idiots were screaming about Gordon’s terrible defense on the possesions where Allen hit 3’s to win the game (game 2) and to tie the game (game 6) when Gordon wasn’t even in the game!
by lexdiamonds0730 on May 3, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
How is what I said selfish?
It’s a smart business way of looking at it.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Not what you said J
What Ben said, he almost cost us the game with his antics and his unwillingness to chase Ray. Before anyone has he’s hurt, he hasn’t been doing it all series. This came from JA’s chat at espn.com today.
John (Detroit): As an unbiased observer (unbiased in the sense that I despise both the Celtics and the Bulls), it seems to me that the Bulls chances of winning improved AFTER Gordon fouled out of that game as it freed them up to run their offense. Gordon seems to take a lot of bad shots late in these games (Games 5 & 6 in particular). Thoughts?
J.A. Adande: If you can make them, you have license to take them (see Bryant, Kobe). But I think it helped them out defensively, not having to cover for a weak link that Boston would have attacked.
What's your response to Game 1? Allen had one of his worst playoff nights ever.
Nothing to do with Gordon then? And in Game 5 & 6 he was playing with a grade 2 hamstring injury. He did his best for what he had left in him. If anything he’s played well enough for us in this series that we could survive while Salmons could suck through a groin injury and now as of last night look like he is better enough to take over the slack now that BG is hurting.
Besides, we are switching when they run that many screens. Gordon is no longer on that guy in that situation and doesn’t have to fight through them. None of our guys were running through all of those screens well thus we ran the switch instead. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but with as many illegal screens they put up it is safer for everyone if much of the time we run switches instead of running into Perkins or Davis.
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by cranscape on May 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My response
Game 1 Ray couldn’t hit the side of a barn with a scud missle!!! That wasn’t BG’s defense, he was missing wide open jumpers. I understand BG is hurt but this is a reaccuring them with BG. He doesn’t give 100% on defense and yes he has kept us in the series but let’s be honest those we’re prayers he was jacking up. Praise the Lord for those going down but cmon Man!!!
If the Bulls win
This series, I definitely could see Reinsdorf open the checkbook. I mean the Bulls are getting national buzz as a young team, with all kinds of real upside, that’s coming into it’s own before our eyes on a grand stage against a real NBA champion (not the Heat with the hurt D. Wade that barely made the playoffs and wouldn’t have made the playoffs had the East been so wishy washy that year—even Bulls). THis year the East stepped it up with all but 2 teams really being competitive for a time (Knicks were competitive because of their different style for a time); and heck even downt he stretch the Raptors (who with Wizards were the teams I was speaking of) were competitive…..
Plus this Celtics team is really good in my opinion. They’d be one of the all time greats if KG was still healthy. I mean they define deep, can play any style, have 4 guys who can step it up (KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo) and have depth with the solid big man Perkins, and the OMG what? Glen Davis….
A very good team, and we’re giving them a series. I mean DAVIS’S PER is a 17.3 so far this series. That’s not KG like, but that’s hardly bad…..and if KG were there, wonder if Ray Allen, Rondo and Pierce and Perkins would be doing what they’re doing…..
I am a fan of both teams after this…..even with the occasional hard foul, it’s playoff basketball.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Pretty cool to hear that from Ben.
You know he’s gonna come out on fire!
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WE NEED TWO BEN GORDONS
and one and a half more Noahs.
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Salmons v. Gordon
In the long run, would we rather have salmons sign an extension or gordon stay. Frankly, I wouldn’t extend salmons, espcially this summer. Unless deng is traded half way through the season or during next summer, I wouldn’t spend money on salmons.
I would
he’s 30 next year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Bye bye Ben
I love what Ben has done with the Bulls since his rookie year but to be a true contender, we need a more well-rounded SG. Ben can score in bunches but that’s all. And it’s not like he does it every game. He is still a streak shooter and if he’s cold, he contributes nothin like we saw yesterday.
I would consider resigning him but he has to go all out to commit to playing defense and how to get his shots within the offense instead of always going solo. Ben is not MJ or Kobe, he can get his own shot but too often it results in him dribbling off his leg or into a double time.
It’s great to see Ben when he’s hot but I think if you look at the big picture, we play better when we spread the ball around and not just watch Ben pound the rock and shoot a contested J. This same criticism goes for Salmons too.
My thing is this...
If you can’t tell me who you are going to get to replace that production that Ben gives you, then simply letting him go doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you feel the same way about Salmons then what? The reality is the Bulls are going to have a hard time keeping him but are going to have an even tougher time replacing him.
One more thing, Rose look more than a little lost out there last night after Gordon fouled out. Wasn’t so easy for him to get to the basket with clogged up lanes because BG wasn’t there to spread the floor was it? I never seen Salmos get doubled once in that game.
by Dils on May 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very simple
I look at BG’s play in this series and think he’s been key to two of our three victories and zero of our three losses. Of the three losses, two of them would have been quite a bit worse, I think, without him.
Does it have to be any more complicated than that?
How much money is being dished out in this "pay the man" phrase?
"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7
huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless the Bulls win game 7...
That could have been Ben’s last game here as a Bull…sitting on the bench. Too bad the same cannot be said for Luol.
I am all for Ben Gordon returning, at the right price…but we all know the owner will not pay the tax, so it will be challenging to bring him back at any price…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
What do you think the Bulls could get for Deng this offseason?
I am not a Luol Deng fan and think that he needs to be moved this offseason. My concern is can we trade him without that contract, and if so, what could we get in return?
not a damn thing
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
As soon as you pay the guy his performance...
will go to shit…it always does
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