Bulls 110, Knicks 103
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT
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PrintThere was one nice stretch in the 4th, when Vinny abandoned the 3 (small) guard lineup to put Salmons in for Gordon, and the Bulls went on a 15-0 run (off several turnovers).
Then, of course Vinny 'rode the hot hand', which is just a retro-justification to say he wanted to play Hinrich and Miller a bunch and did so. The game got closer but the lead was never lost, and while I was doing my usual sad sack routine thinking of our coach, I figured at least they were playing the sorry quitting Knicks who'd mess up any chance to get back in. A couple key blocks from Tyrus helped.
Besides that stretch though, I really thought it was a fairly terrible game, especially defensively. They were over-helping (a lot of times perhaps justified due to all the tiny lineups) and leaving shooters open, and I though Thomas and Noah were way to easily pushed around by a Knicks frontcourt that isn't too bulky themselves. Does that mean Vinny should try Rose/Gordon/Hinrich/Salmons with Aaron Gray at the end of a half? (no, no it doesn't)
But Hinrich's shooting kept them in the game, and helped huge in that stretch in the 4th. He was doing a lot of Hinrich things I usually don't like (for instance, the crossover and jump shot with 20 seconds on the clock), but the shots were going in. 3-6 from three was huge as well.
But man, there were times where a combination of small ball and, er, the entire lack of defensive scheme and execution that we've seen all season, where the Knicks could score way too easily. There had to be 6 alley-oops.
It just felt worse because the Knicks didn't look like they wanted to be there, yet they not only hung around but had the lead in the 4th. Hughes and Duhon both stunk up the joint, so that was nice.
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yeah
Hughes and Duhon both stunk up the joint, so that was nice.
but Wilson Chandler had a couple of big threes on us tho.
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I like wilson chandler
the only knick player id trade for, other than galinari (a 6’10 shooter is always nice)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
He's much better than I thought
He had some great defensive moves last night as well. If he can get on a team that actually plays some defense he might crack an All-Star roster.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
i've watched the knicks a lot this year
cause i live in ny, and while he has some potential, that was one of his best games of the year. he’s normally a terrible 3 shooter and also doesn’t finish as strongly on drives against teams that actually play defense
This team is just going to get annihilated in the first round
Seriously, can you imagine how badly Vinny is going to panic in the 4th quarter of a tight playoff game? Of course, there may not even be any close games, so maybe it won’t matter.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
No Deng till the playoffs.....which probably means no Deng at all
I strongly hope they play only scrubs in the last game of the season.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
I predict Deng will need surgery...
… and he’ll be out until some time next season. You heard it here first!
i've always thought he should just get surgery and get it out of the way asap
like, i don’t understand this “wait a month or more and then decide to have surgery so you’re really not ready for the next season” strategy that these players tend to take.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
More justification that I BETTER NOT SEE DENG IN A GB JERSEY THIS SUMMER!!!
I will be PISSED OFF if this guy decides to play this summer anywhere outside the Berto Center.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 8, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder it if hurts his leg if he works out to strengthen
his weak upper body, and wimpy arms and neck..
I imagine he’ll have surgery late summer 2009 after the GB trials, and miss most all of the NBA next season..
In 6 years he’ll leave the NBA and play EURO basketball until retirement.
man up!
supposedly it's not an injury that usually needs surgery
I see the possibility that it’s just something that takes several weeks of rest to recover, and it just sucks that it’s the last several weeks of the season. But then again I’m in the tank for Luol.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Luol Loyalist
But, it’s hard to like guys that don’t play.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHA
I love your caption….that was funny….(btw…did you really have a sign….oh…just asking….can i buy it….oh it doesnt exist….sorry then)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
do you think I cheer for Big Macs too? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Um Yeah...
…Big Macs means the Bulls won.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
eh
its probably one of his more positive posts this season….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
heh, I was a grumpy gus at the game too
yet like I said, I was confident they’d win even as it got hairy at the end.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know if you bothered looking through the game threads
But we were collectively pretty grumpy throughout as well. I don’t know if it was as flat a game in person as it came across on TV, but it seemed pretty low energy to me. But I also had the Knicks feed, so the announcers and what little crowd noise there was didn’t synch up very well.
And I may have to change my sig now to “OJ Mayo is better than Derrick Rose because he’s taller,” only I’m not sure which of the Knicks’ guys that was.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
no it was defintely a dull crowd
though I’d say mostly due to dull basketball. Not going to Springfield, that tape.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
that was clyde frazier
clyde is a maniac, and he basically only watches knicks games. he also once read the dictionary, which is why he often breaks out words like “mystifying,” “folly,” and “neophyte.”
hmmm...... playoffs, i can smell it..
hopefully this team puts all the bad things behind and start a new chapter in the playoffs.
it’s not like majority of the team are first timers, so they should probably be poised enough to win some. Joakim Noah, do that crazy dance routine again.. :)
Derrick Rose colored glasses, gives you a "ROSY" outlook.
I don't know
I thought the Knicks played pretty hard. THey have to be one of the most frustrating teams to watch in the league though as they are a total feast or famine live and die by the 3…..
I normally would cringe seeing Aaron Gray in any game, but I thought given the foul woes, he did ok for that 2 minute stretch. I’d be booing if he appeared again in the 2nd half though.
As for the Knicks. Wow Chandler really looked like something today….though on offense at least, I was too involved on watching our guys on O that I don’t know if he did anything well on D at all….still without him, it would have been a 20 pt loss.
Duhon and Nate were awful today. I think the Knicks really looked like they need a true PG. Maybe we work out a David Lee for Hinrich trade this offseason….works for both parties if you ask me.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Hate the fact that
Kirk might have to go…..I am a HInrich fan always…
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
I was glad Kirk put up those numbers against the Knicks
Too bad Matt never notices when Hinrich is piling it on as an audition.
The Knicks were just killed at the PG position. Duhon couldn’t pass. Robinson couldn’t either. Meanwhile, Kirk drops 26 on them with 3 steals, 2 turnovers, and 1 foul in just 33 minutes off the bench. Hello D’Antoni. We have your future PG. Kirk was loving the Knicks pace. Put him out there every night and watch him work.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Yeah
Kirk will look more like a defensive Nash…..less flashy passing, but far superior on D….
Hell D’Antoni managed to make Duhon look good the first 2 months this year, imagine what he can do with a really good PG.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Just because Kirk is white does not make him Nash. That is their only similarity.
One is one of the best offensive players in the league and the other is mediocre on offense. The other is a very solid defense player and the other one can barely stay in front of replacement level point guards.
There is NOTHING similar about their games. At all.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I know, I know....
I meant he’s closer to Nash than Duhon.
Kirk’s a nice ball handler and passer and shooter, and nice on the break, but isn’t nearly as creative in the half court, or as sensational as a passer as Nash. THe only reason I compared to Nash is that D’Antoni is the coach and likes a good PG.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Fair enough. I think that D'Antoni will probably target the real Nash this offseason
rather than making a trade for Kirk.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So phony
Nash outside of the D’Antoni system is the REAL Steve Nash. That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
::rolls eyes::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Me and Bill Simmons
rolling our eyes at you.
Care to take the age factor and play it? How about the Gordon isn’t good card? You have that one too.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 9, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
for an nba observer
you don’t seem to observe particularly well
Flagged for having the most false username ever
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How quickly we forget.
Nash was something of a late bloomer…
Through their first six seasons in the league, I would call them similar, giving Nash an edge in the advanced stats, but not overwhelming in the per 36.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
They both have bad hair, and could use styling advice from VDN.
Just because Kirk is white does not make him Nash. That is their only similarity.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 8, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
his hair has improved
but he still looks like a hobo half the time.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
come on
he has the worst looking “beard” ever. he could at least try to keep it looking nice when he doesn’t shave.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
me too.
in the mirror.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 9, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
lighten up.
so what if i think he looks like a hobo? i’m one of the few on here who doesn’t sit around trashing him for his ballplaying.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
lol.
yeah, but drew did his that way on purpose, whether it be the “johnny” or that other ridiculous beard he had during the bet with stevenson. sometimes hinrich looks like he didn’t bother to look in the mirror that morning.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah, he's pretty
laid back. If you’ve ever seen him in some of the post game interviews his clothes are very casual. Kind of goes with the scruffy look.
I never notice
because Kirk’s jersey is going to be retired in Chicago on December 14, 2019 as the games played leader.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
also
the Knicks aren’t getting anyone that mucks up 2010
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
except for maybe Nash because D'Antoni loves him and he's still one of the best PGs around
even if his creaky back doesn’t allow him to play any defense.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
If I may ask...
if his creaky back doesn’t allow him to play defense now, what was stopping him before?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
lack of lateral quickness
and his defense wasn’t as bad as his rep was. The Suns were a middle of the pack defensive team with him playing major minutes.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
along the live by 3, die by 3 line...
for as dull as that game was, let’s remember that the knicks usually don’t shoot 10-14 from 3, even if a lot of em were wide open. and wilson chandler never, ever goes 4-4 from three. so for as bad as we played, if they shoot a normal or even good 3 point % as opposed to out of this world, then we win that game handily.
Sue.. Sue.. where r u
I didn’t know you had a direct line to Kirk..
He changed his shot after our discussion, he put more arch into it and it resulted in better shooting and also offensive rebounds for put backs on misses.
Let me know if you talked to him personally?
man up!
maybe she twitters with him
if thats true…then i must ask…how do i get in on this… :)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
sue why so serious?
I was actually quite impressed with the shooting adjustment Kirk made, if you saw the game his arc on his shot was noticably different . Furthermore I was more impressed with the quick adjustment. Now, I’m excited to see how he progresses in the next couple of games and well into the playoffs because he himself made this adjustment which I see as much different than just Kirk having one of his great games…
http://www.sportsknowhow.com/basketball/how-to/basketball-shooting-aids.html
He could have a bad shooting night in the next game, but hopefully he’ll not revert back to the line-drive low arc shot which occassionally has some success.
man up!
Every article you write has been depressing lately
We got your Brad Miller, we’ve won 9 of 12, we’re playing ourselves into the playoffs like you wanted, yet you’re more negative than ever. I don’t get it.
I think it's the overall sense of futility because of Vinny being a part of the team's future.
He’s like a rain cloud hanging over the entire team and its future. So long as he’s the coach, there’s not much to be positive about.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 7, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Fire Vinny indeed. Get Avery..
Derrick Rose colored glasses, gives you a "ROSY" outlook.
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 7, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehhhhh. I'd rather have Flip or Thibodeau. Avery is too controlling and I think this bunch would tune him out.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 7, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm.... But thibby, uhm owkei.
Derrick Rose colored glasses, gives you a "ROSY" outlook.
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 7, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda like Avery
This young team needs a more controlling coach. I think Skiles might still be here if it wasn’t for Ben Wallace… Plus, Avery took the Mavs to the finals before they collapsed. Before him they could never get past the Spurs.
Well I read
It was Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Luol Deng who were the biggest Skiles detractors at the end (something I believe on SI.COM after Wallace and Smith were traded).
I think Kirk though quit on him last year too. Funny thing is I think the Chicago media wanted folks to think BG and Skiles didn’t like each other, but I never got that (considering how BG would play just as hard off the bench as on even though he had Duhon playing over him to start the game).
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Skiles might be here...and Tyrus Thomas wouldn't be playing, and Kirk Hinrich...
…..would have started all season long instead of BG. BUT Derrick Rose would likely be a better defender at this point.
But I agree. Avery Johnson would have been a great choice IMO.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 8, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually... it's funny if you think about it...
With Skiles we might not have lost enough games to get Derrick Rose… so it’s probably a good thing he’s gone.
So should your screen name be
BoylanMVP?
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
No Avery!
I’d be happier w/ Flip
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Agreed. Flip is the best head coach available on the market. If Thibodeau becomes available though
it’ll be tough to decide between the two, but I’d be happy with either.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
By that measure the entire season has been futile.
Del Negro the coach, Gordon a lame duck with a no trade clause, Drew Gooden starting over Joakim Noah, the eventual trade for the slow white center and replacement for the soon to be departed Gordon, yet another injury to Deng…
But the team has been playing well of late, for some teams that is ray of hope for the future, around here it feels like they are playing well in spite of themselves….
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
racial attitudes persist in basketball
i do not get it
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
well, to be fair, Brad is slow and he is white. One shouldn't imply the other and the fact
that Brad is white should have no bearing on the evaluation of him as a ball player, but it’s undeniably true that he’s extremely slow.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yet Aaron Gray is no whiter
but far slower.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
is Aaron slower than Brad? That's a close call. Brad's obviously worlds better, but
his foot speed is absolutely glacial.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He is really slow
but between the two Miller does, eventually, put his feet in the right spots at least. Not to mention getting to the foul line because people still fall for his extremely slow shot fake at the ft line and he can sell a foul pretty well. He looks fundamentally sound and awesome if you speed up the frames while watching. He protects the ball better. Passes better. Sets better screens. He also looks like he has more muscle mass and less flab than Gray.
They are both big and white. That is pretty much it.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I shudder to think of a Cole Aldrich as an "athletic" Brad Miller.
I might be stereotyping, though.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I don't know
We’d really have to see them side by side for sure. Really compare the levels of whiteness. Maybe even use one of those little “shades of whiteness” measuring charts that come with teeth whitening kits.
Oh, wait….slowness is the variable of interest here. My bad, carry on!
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
That cuts both ways.
racial attitudes persist in basketball
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 8, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
eh?
Racial attitudes also don’t persist in basketball? That’s the opposite of racial stereotypes, right?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Indeed.
The stereotypes span multiple races.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Indeed. There are fast white players, black players who are better shooters
than slashers (paging Ben Gordon), black players without gang connections, and lots of other variances from stereotypes.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 10, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that they are playing well in spite of themselves, it's that they are playing well in spite of Vinny
that’s what makes things so damned frustrating. This team has at least 45 win talent, maybe more, but because we have a coach with no damned clue what he’s doing, we’ll be lucky to get to .500. Until Vinny is gone or gets a clue, nothing else really matters because we won’t be contenders or even close.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
We're still not playing very well.
I kinda understand why he’s so negative. Since the Lakers game, most of our home games have been against bad teams, and they were all pretty close games. Not to mention the losses against Toronto and Indiana. If we want to be a playoff team, we should be crushing those teams.
So yeah, we really need a better coach. Hopefully Paxson realizes that soon.
I want more success for Brad Miller, he deserves it.
the record means little. They still look like they have no idea on either end, and the only improvement came in new players. I can’t even name a single thing they do well as a team. 3-point shooting?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
When they introduce the starting lineup they are pretty insync
You get a E for that comment
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
As a team, they win games better than 14 other teams. For this group of players, I'm fine with that.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
winning games is a poor indicator
of winning games in the future :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
lol @ the picture caption
glad I missed this game…the in-game thread comments told me all I needed to know.
Fire Vinny.
Pay Ben.
Hughes sucks.
Good night.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Pay Ben, I missed the end of the game, did Ben do something heroic at the end? Cause he shot 6 of 15
and usually when he’s shooting like ass, he’s worthless.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
not that I know of...
…kinda just threw that in there as an “in-general” comment
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
Wow
I am surprised he was 6 for 15, he was hot early on after missing his first 2 shots….now I know why he wasn’t in as much in the 2nd half (helps too when Kirk was on fire).
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
yeah, he sat at the expense of Kurt
and Gordon had some early fast break baskets. I don’t think he did too well on the jumper last night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You're not even trying anymore
he sat at the expense of Kurt
Oh well. Mail it in for the rest of the season.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
what's wrong with that?
Hinrich stayed in instead of Gordon when Salmons came in the game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
also
I don’t even believe that Vinny plays the hot hand, so whether Hinrich was playing well (he was) or not had no significance to his PT. Vinny just likes Kurt, says so in every post game whether Kirk has 25 or 5.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think
Vinny rides the hot hand theory either, but I think he tends to ride the off hand (and since Ben started missing after the first qtr, he sat)…
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
That sums up most threads around here...
Except when Scotter gets his recc’’d for saying don’t pay Ben.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
I'm a Blazer fan
we would be happy to take Hinrich’s salary off your books. You can resign Gordon, and then all is good in Bullsland.
draft dejuan blair
A Roy-Hinrich backcourt should be "greater than the sum of the parts",
while not so much for Rose-Hinrich. The Blazers also have a coach smart enough to know Hinrich can be good as a 1-2 combo guard, but is not a 2-3 swingman.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 8, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I see Hinrich as the ideal backcourt mate for Roy
they complement each other almost perfectly.
Hinrich would play no shooting guard in Portland, not when Roy, Webster, and Fernandez all get time there.
draft dejuan blair
Simple solution to this :
Blazers sign Ben Gordon in the offseason, and trade him later to the Bulls (as soon as possible, some time in December) for Hinrich.
The Game chose him !
that's simple?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Could the Blazers do a sign-and-trade with Gordon for Hinrich?
Now, that’d be unique.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
not sure
Gordon may be BYC
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
not for sure,
The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it’s the minimum salary).
The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player’s rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.
The Blazers would be under the cap, wouldn’t be using Larry Bird, wouldn’t be extending his rookie contract…
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I think this is possible and might be the weirdest thing to ever happen in the NBA.
Anyone that knows for sure?
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
This would be awesome
Maybe ask Sam Smith and see what he thinks.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Sam thinks BG should come off the bench
and that’s about it…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 8, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
well there you go.
thanks :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Better Solution
We trade Hinrich to portland for a backup pg and a sf and a draft pick (they wont need it). We sign and trade gordon, along with deng and noah (sorry prevenge) and a bunch of picks for chris bosh and kapono. The bulls go into next season with
Rose/Rodriguez or Blake
Salmons/Kapono
Kapono/Whatever sf portland gave us/ Tim Thomas
Tyrus/Bosh
Bosh/Miller/Gray
Then in 2010 we try to pickup a sg while resigning bosh….ITS GENIUS!!!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'd rather give up Tyrus than Noah in a deal for Bosh.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
tyrus would work better with bosh and joakim would work better with bargnani…i wouldnt mind if we gave up tyrus instead of noah…im pretty sure though that noah would intice toronto alot more though.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
blech!
That’s championship?
Well, I guess Rose, Thomas/or/Noah and Bosh is a start. Just clear me out the rest of the roster.
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yea not a championship
but it can compete, plus it still allows 2010 plans to be left open so it can be a bit flexible too. I figure toronto wont really be able to retain bosh cuz at some point he wants to win. I also question how willing bosh would be to play for the bulls, i fear d.rose isnt enough (i mean calderon isnt a scrub at point by any means) so getting him through trade may be alot easier then signing him. Ultimately if it works out then we can sign bosh, and if doesnt work we can take all that extra cap and try to sign wade and go scotters route.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Kapono
Starting might hurt our chances more than keeping the same roster without Bosh.
Kapono is just an awful player. He can hit a wide open shot, that’s it.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Im assuming vinny will be here still
and kapono can fit into the stand around and do nothing offense….still kapono is a great shooter and it would help d.rose on his drive and kicks…ultmately i guess we would be like miami when they won the championship. Bosh is our shaq (except more faceup as opposed to back to basket…still i think he gets the job done) Tyrus is the Alonzo (defensive shot blocker) Kapono is our….kapono… salmons is that real dirty player….and d.rose is d.wade (but younger and less experienced)….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I think the
Stand around, do nothing 3 spot was mostly Vinny’s offense because Deng was accustomed to sit and wait for the kick out in the Skiles offense and was lost….Salmons moves quite a bit around the court, and fit in nicely….
I agree with the sentiment though.
Bosh is nothing like Shaq…..Bosh is a good athletic PF, but he’s not going to dominate the paint down low anywhere near Shaq….but he’s god some real inside skills, is good on the boards, but mostly is a very solid defender…
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
heh
Bosh is a good athletic PF, but he’s not going to dominate the paint down low anywhere near Shaq….but he’s god
sorry :) i choose kapono because i think toronto wouldnt mind giving him to us without upping the ante, and because we would need another shooter unless portland was willing to give us fernandez…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I'm fine
If we have to take garbage to get Bosh, but I would rather someone else start….even if it’s a veteran filler, than Kapono, that’s all.
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Deng stands around in Skiles offense.
LOL at reading you guys talk actual basketball. :-P
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
What
Deng was aggressive under Skiles?
No, Skiles used the 2 man game, in the drive and kick mostly with Kirk and Ben driving, and Deng would be left open for his jumpers.
We’ve always wanted him to be more aggressive in attacking the rim…..
And you could always see the lack of movement of the Bulls in those days.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Painful game to watch but we cannot minimize winning.
4 games left to the season and we even have an outside shot at the #6 seed. I do not want to minimize VDN’s short-comings but he has kept the team together. I also think he has improved his adjustments. That of course is not saying much considering how bad they were at the beginning of the season. However VDN seems quicker to recognize problems and correct them. After seeing how Skiles gave up on us and the team gave up on him, I’ll take being in 7th place April 8th any day.
He played Noah & Miller together too!
With Kirk, Salmons and I think BG. Is that the lineup you were talking about going on that 15-0 run? They looked good and rebounded really well. Vinny eventually took Noah out for failing to close out on Harrington, but they looked good and spaced the floor well. Substitute Derrick for Kirk and that’s a formidable playoff lineup…for at least 15 minutes until VDN facks it all up.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Are you sure?
I thought Kirk was playing the point at that time…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
i just looked that up too
it was rose, hinrich, salmons, thomas, and miller who made the run.
since of course vinny is allergic to playing noah in the 4th.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
It was :)
Oh, but he did play Noah in the fourth! A grand total of 40 seconds! Progress! (?)
That's what I was referring to earlier with my post.
Thanks for the link though that’s an interesting site.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
of course not
noah doesn’t play in the 4th, remember? ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Make up your mind!!
Your first couple sentences indicate you weren’t thrilled that Kirk recieved mins! Then a couple lines later you state Kurt kept us in the game (so which is it? make up your mind)….Time for a reality check, without Kirk we would have lost that game, he was clearly the best player on the floor last night! All the Kirk haters wil miss him once he’s gone because we’ll end up giving him away for next to nothing in return……kirk and ty thomas are the only players on the bulls roster that play Defense! As for the the Blog…..I give it an E, because clearly you’re a dipsh*t with a biased slant who doesn’t know dick about journalism (the biggest joke of all careers)!
agreed on that last point.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You do know what a blog is, right?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Then why are you reading this?
Kirk duplicates a position and takes up cap space. Life goes on…
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Lemme guess
you’re a KU grad aren’t ya?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
I love the asterix in "dipshit."
Thank god we avoided the obscenity!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I give your comment a G!
Why, because that’s worse than an F! It was OK until that last garbage sentence! Totally unnecessary! Like these exclamation points!
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
I know
you all hate me and want to go kill myself but I just want to say something.
Vinny sucks!
We’re going to get slaughtered in the playoffs with this guy coaching.
I really hope John P. has another coach lined up for next year.
Bye!
interesting that we can't even pinpoint which exact commenter everyone hates and wants them to kill themselves.
(figuratively)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I can
I have a list I keep by my keyboard.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I'm the guy who
got ripped for giving Matt shit about his man crush on Bg and his negative postgame threads.. Which seem to be the norm lately.. Though I cant blame him, watching Vinny coach makes me want to cry too.
I thought you said "Bye!"
Just saying
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It's okay no one hates you
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Ya seriously
that was just you being a jackass. No hard feelings just don’t do it again and we’re all good. This blogging/commenting thing takes a few tries before you figure it out. 1st thing you have to do is use your head and not just write every knee-jerk emotional reaction. Well…I guess you can get away w/ those in the game threads.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 8, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Gordon did miss that free throw
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Apr 8, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh no cmon!
Not this again
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
LOL
I’m still shaking my head at that.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i though the fourth was a good quarter
for kirk. i think he had atleast 3 steals there and 2 of them led to points. wasnt there a point in the fourth where i think we scored and then tyrus or someone either blocked a shot or stole the ball and we bring it up the floor and vinny calls that timeout. and im thinking what the hell? did vinny want dantoni to make subs cause the knicks look tired. and then i think after the break he had a line up of kirk,bg,rose,salmons,and miller. where bg threw up 2 quick shots and led to the knicks catching up and cutting the lead down. wat goes on in his head when he calls these stupid timeouts? its like “oh, we’re doing well, which means that they havent shown my face on tv in a while”
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
From ESPN.com's Daily Dime:
The Knicks connected on 50.6 percent of their field goal attempts at Chicago on Tuesday night, while the Bulls shot just 43.3 percent from the floor. Final score: Chicago 110, New York 103.
Unusual? Sure was. Of the 1,160 other games played in the NBA this season, only eight were won by teams that had a greater disparity in field goal percentage than the Bulls did. But maybe practice makes perfect. Back on Jan. 6, the Bulls (shooting 38.6 percent) defeated the Kings (shooting 50.7 percent) by a 99-94 score — the only game in the NBA this season in which the winning team’s field goal percentage was at least 10 percentage points lower than its opponent’s.
no stat is too crazy for this team
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
This is all the more interesting when you consider the Knicks shot 56.5% from the 3pt line
We did shoot 44% ourselves from out there, but the free throw disparity did the trick last night.
Even when the Bulls try their hardest to give away the game
The Knicks still suck ass.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Shows you
Just how bad the Knicks and Kings are doesn’t it. The Knicks were hitting crazy shots much of the night, but as we’ve proven before against the shooters, we need to work on our 3 pt defense….especially when the 3’s and 4’s can shoot from back there…..been a problem since hte Skiles days and has just gotten worse each year.
If the Knicks didn’t hit so many shots (some well contested) that they don’t always hit, would have been a blowout….
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
The Bulls won the turnover battle, got to the line for more than twice as many FTs as the Knicks, and dominated the offensive rebounding battle.
More opportunities to score makes the shooting % matter less.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 8, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
From Posting & Toasting Game Recap
- Let’s talk D-Rose right now. Rose (not Josh Smith, Mr. Tripucka) is the superhero who doesn’t know his super-powers yet. His handle is impeccable, his hops top-notch, his passes ambitious and sometimes brilliant. He still needs confidence in his jumper and decisiveness with his penetration. Other than that, all he needs is two more years and I think he’s gonna be a star. Rose also needs a real nickname, because “Poohdini” sucks. I propose “The Knife.” Descriptive and funny!
I wonder if they know about his preseason apple/self-cutting incident…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
no doubt.
P&T is on top of such things, trust me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That blog is......fun
I like that the editor has realized how meaningless the games are, and decides to talk about random animals and such.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Noah for 4th quarters!
New to posting here but love the comments always…..but can someone get ahold of vinny del worthless and tell him that it is ok to play Noah in the 4th quarters. Especially when Brad miller is 1-10 from the floor. And Captain turnover surprised me with a solid game….of course he will prove to us all soon he can’t do it consistently.
TTis killing me
I love watching TT’s dunks and blocks, but he has a very slow learning curve. I watched hin off ball much of last night, and he always seems to react to a shot a second slower than everyone else, thus he’s rarely in rebounding position. His one rebound in the first quarter against the Knicks mini-lineup is terrible. I don’t mind his taking jump shots, but he needs to follow them, not watch them while backing up. Harrington was also killing him until VDN put Salmons back in. He’s highly entertaining, but I’m not sure of long term value.
But did you
see the pass he made on the fast break in the 4th quarter. Last year, he would have plowed right into the defender. Last night, he stopped on a dime, avoided the charge, and made a perfect pass to Gordon for a layup. One game at a time.
Basically.
Which is why the yanking and inconsistency of minutes is so infuriating sometimes.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Yeah
It’s funny though cuz at the end of games, when focused, Tyrus has time and again played solid stretches of D, sometimes lockdown D and been in position for those boards etc. I don’t know why the focus ain’t there early on….but it ain’t, and often ain’t there.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
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