Obviously, Hughes is on the same page with his current coach. Before coming to the Knicks at the trading deadline, he was at odds with Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro, whom he'll face tomorrow night in Chicago.
Let's just say that Hughes won't go out of his way to hug his old coach when the teams walk onto the United Center floor for the opening tip.
"There's no relationship," he said. "I didn't start, but that wasn't the issue. You can't start all the time. I understand that. And I voiced that. The issue was that he didn't give me a shot to be out there to contribute."
Hughes still harbors resentment about the way he was informed about the trade.
"I got a text message from the (Bulls) GM (John Paxson) - that's it," he said. "It was one line saying they appreciated my patience and wishing me good luck. I thought I'd get a courtesy call. They do it in every work place, every day. When management sends you off, they give you a courtesy call."
NY Daily News.
[I wonder how low Hughes' return to Chicago rates on the Bill Simmons vengeance scale? -ed.]
about 3 years ago
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I can't wait to see Hughes get booed like no other tomorrow
while shooting 1-15 and get torched by Gordon and Salmons as we blow out the Knicks.
fyi
the game is on tonight… i think the article is from yesterday. so if u intend to watch the game, its today not tomorrow
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
Yeah that's what I meant.
I posted that late last night
I so hope for this as well.
I’m sure he’s a nice guy in real life, but I freaking hate Larry Hughes.
I hate that
He has the talent to be a fine player. But its like hes looking for short cuts on the court. Hes a gambling defender and on offense hes a ball stopper….and usually one at least is all star caliber.
Eddie Jordan probably handled his talent the best way possible.
See what a fair-minded person I am:
I can agree that it was in poor form to inform Hughes of his trade via a text message while still thinking Hughes is a major D-Bag.
by Sports2 on Apr 7, 2009 6:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would agree
Except that Hughes went out of his way to disrupt this team, so I think Paxson (who has done a lot of things to cater to his talent—such as find a home for Thabo, buying out Jay Williams even after the breach of contract, offering Eddy that ridiculous 20 or 40 yr contract if he just took the blood test to make him secure if he failed….etc etc etc.
I think Hughes is just a D.
I sure hope though that Larry doesn’t have one of his hot shooting nights…..he typically doesn’t, as we know, but if he has one, he can be tough for that one game.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Just for the record, I don't attribute any special beneficence on the Bulls' part
- Curry’s annuity offer seemed to effectively have had the present value of the qualifying offer they were already on the hook for, meaning that they were really not doing anything special for him at all. It’s like winning the lottery and chosing between getting a lump sum payment or annual payments stretching over 20 or 30 years. In practice, it was pretty much the opposite of a nice thing to do. It was a PR move that made it seem like the Bulls were doing something when in practice it wouldn’t do anything useful for Eddy beyond what the Bulls were already obligated under contract to do.
- The Jay Williams thing was pretty similar. Yeah, they could have simply stopped paying Williams… and then probably spend a couple hundred thousand dollars fighting a court case over the contract, getting a major publicity black eye in the process for leaving his dumb ass with nothing. I think the Bulls did reasonable thing under the circumstances, but you can hardly call them good guys for following their own interest. Can you imagine the uproar if they’d simply said “you’re not getting a dime?”. It would have been bad for the Bulls in a lot of ways.
by Sports2 on Apr 7, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
Rec to that.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 7, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely disagree
The Curry Offer might be close to what they were on the hook for in “present value” terms as the qualifying offer, but it was a guaranteed income, and if he passed, we would likely have given him the contract he got, if he failed, he would have been set at least with a comfortable life and could know that we were trying to offer him a decent salary to allow him to live with his health. Add in the fact that this market collapse should show you that “present value” means nothing compared to a guaranteed income…..and add in that a young guy of what 22-24 would be much more apt to blow through his qualifying offer when paid in one big lump sum, than a guaranteed offer for that 20 years or whatever it was (I think 20, could have been 40, but I thought it was 20)….then he gets the NBA pension to kick in afterwards to boot….A very very good offer, and a lot of niceities to something we didn’t need.
As for the Jay Williams thing, again he clearly voided his contract, I think Bulls fans would have been happy that our #2 pick who clearly did something he wasn’t supposed to by his own signed contract, who really harmed our development wouldn’t have been paid further…..but that was a token of good PR paying him, making others know that Chicago even through tragedy will stick by their guys. There was nothing any amount of courts could do, he clearly violated that contract and clearly wouldn’t have been paid. I think any ensuing court cases, would have spun more likely in the Bulls favor rather than the opposite….it was good of Pax to do that.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
by majoyenrac on Apr 7, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely disagree...
Screwing a 22 year old kid just because he screwed us first would have absolutely killed us in terms of free agents (ie: who wants to play for a classless organization). Ulterior motives were definitely a factor IMO.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not following your take on the Curry situation
The Curry Offer might be close to what they were on the hook for in "present value" terms as the qualifying offer, but it was a guaranteed income, and if he passed, we would likely have given him the contract he got, if he failed, he would have been set at least with a comfortable life and could know that we were trying to offer him a decent salary to allow him to live with his health.
The Qualifying Offer was a guaranteed income too. It was already made to Curry, so he could have simply have taken the QO and then retired, and been paid more or less the the equivalent of what the Bulls were offering with their annuity.
Add in the fact that this market collapse should show you that "present value" means nothing compared to a guaranteed income
On the contrary, the current forecasts I see tend to call for a period of higher than average inflation at the back of the new quantitative easing idea Bernanke is implementing, and the increasing likelihood our increasingly Banana Republicesque government is going to eventually have to devalue the currency to pay for its generally unnecessary multiple trillion dollar spending spree.
Inflation, of course, will dramatically reduce the value of a payment of X amount of dollars in the future.
In contrast, if you’re investing current money in assets, you can, at least potentially, “ride the wave” of inflation rather than have it hit you square in the chest. (From a policy perspective, one way to look at these inflationary policies is as holding a gun to the heads of anyone with savings and forcing them to either spend on consumption or investment. It’s very unpleasant. But it’s better than having your money tied up in an annuity… then you’re just plain fucked and the guy selling you the annuity, over the course of decades, is very likely to make money off you (which is, of course, why they sell annuities in the first place. And that’s fine for consenting folks, but rather creepy when it’s a sports owner real estate tycoon making an offer to that 22 year old kid you’re so worried about making the right choices when facing a health problem).
and add in that a young guy of what 22-24 would be much more apt to blow through his qualifying offer when paid in one big lump sum, than a guaranteed offer for that 20 years or whatever it was (I think 20, could have been 40, but I thought it was 20)….then he gets the NBA pension to kick in afterwards to boot….A very very good offer, and a lot of niceities to something we didn’t need.
A couple things. First, If Curry’s that foolish with his money, and varying accounts suggest he might be, then he quite possibly could have needed the up front money to cover his debts anyway. That is, it’s quite possible Curry couldn’t afford to take that offer because he needed cash now. Which is, of course, something the Bulls might be aware of when making it (ie, they made an outwardly magnanimous offer because they knew it couldn’t be accepted and even if it were to be accepted, it’s really not magnanimous because they were on the hook for that much money anyway through the QO. There are, of course, ways around this, but we’ll deal with them in the second point.
Second, Curry’s foolishness with money (I guess, juxtaposed to Reinsdorf’s noted patriarchal sense of good will desire to do the best for everyone!) as a rationale for anything is hamfisted and insulting. If the guy’s going to blow his money, he’s going to blow his money. He can easily resell whatever the annuity contract he gets for the Bulls for a lump-sum if he really wants to. Need cash now? Call JG Wentworth.
In today's society, where texting is a more common form of communication...
It shard for me to hold this against them…five years ago, yeah it would have been weird, but not today.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
We heard about Hughes' 39 point game followed by his 22 point game
A small part of me thought “hmm, maybe he’s serviceable in an open offense.” Nope.
Since then, he’s shot 27/91 (29.6% ) from the field, and the Knicks have gone 3-10. I love the Knicks.
too bad I banned 'know'
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
so he can't come back as "knew"?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
So his threats were all smoke and no fire?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 7, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i didnt catch the first time the knicks
came to the UC, but did C-Du get booed? i know larry will will for sure, and i think curry is back too right? do we have any boos left for him?
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
I wouldn't boo Duhon
or even Eddy, but I’d give Hughes a few jeers because he’s done enough to earn them and I just really hate the Knicks.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 7, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously...
We should be cheering the Knicks for giving us a boatload of picks for Curry and taking Hughes off our hands. I like to think of them as our D-League affiliate.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Curry's on the reserve list for the rest of the season
Duhon got a mixed reaction, as I recall.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 7, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon...
Fine Hughes is a D-Bag, but the Bulls are just as bad. Just F-ing call the guy and let him know he got his wish. I’d be surprised if Pax even sent the text himself. This organization is run by a bunch of children, no class at all.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
Uhm... don't you mean "like school on Sunday?"
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
If Hughes makes the Bulls pay for trading him classlessly,
I think that’s a very low price to pay for us unloading his contract. We also don’t know how acrimonious things really got between him and the organization, between him and Pax personally, etc. Yes, it’s always better to give a guy a courtesy phone call.
But let’s face it, no matter what they would have done, Hughes would have found a way to find it objectionable. The Bulls gave him every opportunity to succeed here, even if it was just to showcase him, before he went public in his dissent.
His agent must have not made it clear enough that he should shut the f* up until he gets his way and gets shipped out of town. I find myself feeling grateful to the evil empire Knicks for taking him off our hands.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
This obviously fits into the 0.6 on BS's Vengenace Scale
If not lower. What a joke that poor Larry is.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
I thought Paxson did hughes a favor
by trading him, he couldve just kept him and let him rot on the bench…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Yeah
It would be one thing if Hughes didn’t know it was coming, but the org promised him they’d try to improve his situation by moving him to a new team. If he didn’t want it or know it was coming a text message would be in poor taste, but he was suppose to be happy about leaving. Who cares who you get good news like that. (shrug)
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yea and they sent him to a team
that could actually USE him….and his grotesque playing style. We just picked up guys from new york that may or may not leave at the end of this season, or next season. In other words aside from getting rid of hughes we really didnt get anything but tim thomas, who really isnt that important to begin with. So keeping hughes wouldnt have changed our situation much, except there would be a guy who would constantly complain about the bulls.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Dear Larry,
The best thing about being traded is that someone else wants you.
“There’s no relationship,”
According to the Book of Hughes there isn’t supposed to be one.
Cheering Your Shot Selection,
NBAO
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
is there a ban on cursing now?
I’m just wondering because I’ve seen a couple of “d-bag” and “f-ing” comments in here. Are we turning over a new leaf?
Douche…fuck…shit
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
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Even subject-verb agreement mistakes!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Reminds me of South Park
[demonstrating a “V-Chip” planted into Cartman]
Dr. Vosknocker: Now, I want you to say “doggy”.
Cartman: Doggy.
Dr. Vosknocker: [to audience] Notice, that nothing happens.
[to Cartman]
Dr. Vosknocker: Now, say “Montana”.
Cartman: Montana.
Dr. Vosknocker: Good. Now, “pillow”.
Cartman: Pillow.
Dr. Vosknocker: All right. Now I want you to say “horse fucker”.
Mrs. Cartman: Go on, honey. It’s all right.
Cartman: Horse fu…
[gets shocked by the V-chip]
Cartman: That hurts, goddamnit!
[gets shocked again]
Dr. Vosknocker: Now I want you to say “big floppy donkey dick”.
Cartman: No!
Dr. Vosknocker: [to audience] Success! The child doesn’t want to swear!
Cartman: This isn’t fair, you sons of bi…
[gets shocked repeatedly]
Sorry. OT. OT. OT!!
Larry Hughes sucks.
Southpark cracks me up.
I use the clip of the miracle ADHD treatment in class to demonstrate the medicalization of deviance – I’ve seen it a billion times, and it still makes me laugh to watch.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Don't think there is a ban
but I have been warned for using G*y in reference to ESPN. So I am assuming offensive material is out and swearing is in.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 7, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Larry Hughes
He came to relieve us of the curse of the Corpse, stayed just long so that anyone who knows anything about basketball realized he was awful, and then left. Don’t you wish all pro atheletes and sexual partners were like that?
I wouldn't say I loved him.
But he was better on and off the court than Wallace, and somewhat cheaper…and now we have parlayed that terrible contract into the smaller, easier to move and partially reimbursed contracts of Thomas, James and Roberson.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
disagree
First of all, how do you know he was better OFF the court? The whole “Wallace was a locker room cancer” stuff was somehow made up in the fans’ minds. When he got traded, all of the players (including Noah) had nothing but love for him. They said nothing but positive things.
Second, wasn’t his contract worth more than Wallace’s? So how was he cheaper?
Third, yes he did provide slightly more value in terms of on the court production (I don’t remember Wallace winning any games for us)…but his position caused more of a headache (log jam at guard) than Wallace’s did.
So yes, it got them rid of Wallace, but essentially, they traded dog shit for horse shit.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
I don't think it was made up
that Wallace undermined Skiles.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 8, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
true
but what I meant was that the fans made a bigger deal of it than Skiles or the rest of the players did.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
I think the
Chicago writers all opened the flood gates on how badly Wallace underminned Skiles though, he was leading a revolt and he totally quit on the court for us. He was far worse because he was unhappy and he turned our players against the team….
That is far worse than Hughes who was unhappy and complained, but none of the players listened or seemed to really like him…..
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
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