Bulls 103, Nets 94
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2009 6:49 PM CDT
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PrintBulls win another 'everybody's hungover' game, against a fairly dismal and disinterested Nets team.
Sure it shouldn't have been that close, but the Bulls shouldn't be this bad.
I will say it was a nice effort from John Salmons, putting in over 39 minutes while clearly slowed by injury. I hate saying 'gutty', or 'gritty' (or other words that people say to pretend Kyle Orton doesn't suck) but that's what it was from Salmons tonight.
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Orton doesn't suck...and I've never heard him described as gutty or gritty
Nocioni on the other hand….ugh.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 4, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...I think too often mediocre is equated to sucking
Orton was mediocre last year and unfortunately at several positions the Bears were actually worse than mediocre.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 5, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
BRING ON THE C's!
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
I would compair Orton to Hinrich... if we're doing a football/basketball comparison
He is OK and won’t lose you many games, but he won’t win you many either… Solid starter for a team with a number of other superstars… Both do many things well, but nothing exceptional.
Nothing wrong with either one, but would you rather have Cutler or Rose play their respective positions? HELL YEAH I would!
way for the players...
to pull out another win despite horrible coaching from Del Coacho. Way for Ben to stick with it and finally pull it together in the 4th.
This game shouldn’t have even been close to begin with though…
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Ben
I was there, and Ben looked like crap in the first half… obviously! But at halftime he came out and started shooting as soon as the court was available. At first he was missing, but then he must have hit 10 3s in a row. Gotta give him credit for working hard, it payed off in the end obviously!
I thought Brad Miller was going to need an oxygen mask by the last few minutes
He was jumping even less high than he usually does.
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I thought he was going to mash Lopez's face in.
He normally looks like he wants to mash someone’s face in, after the Lopez travel and foul call I thought it was finally going to happen.
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That was a few notably bad calls right in a row.
To the benefit of a rookie center. And to the detriment of a veteran former All-Star center. All of which is a long way of saying, “WTF, refs??”
It’s like the refs are taking Ben Gordon ref treatment and applying it to the rest of the Bulls now.
Derrick Rose is leading candidate for Rookie of the Year, and even he doesn’t get the kind of preferable treatment that Lopez got FOUR PLAYS IN A ROW.
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You think they'd at least notice the #1 on his jersey.
No matter how you were treated elsewhere, as soon as you put on a Bulls jersey you get the shaft. Miller is just coming to realize that probably. And were were not even playing a very good team and it still happened.
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it is somewhat unbelievable.
kinda like the ridiculous flop by augustin to go into overtime… rose didn’t touch him… yet somehow AUGUSTIN of the BOBCATS gets the fucking flop call.. wtf????
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Just call Ben...
….Mr. Big Mac:
“I planned that tonight,” Gordon joked. “I wanted to make it exciting. I wanted to get the Big Mac for the fans. It was a little part of my master plan.”
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 4, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll be enjoying mine at lunch today!
$50 for a big mac! What a deal!
Awful Game
I’m sure VDN was/is blissfully unaware that Kurt’s play down the stretch almost capsized this team. Derrick’s foul trouble left him with little choice, but it would be nice to have some plays in mind to get the Bulls in some sets and avoid the captain’s needless dribbling.
Wasn’t a big fan to see Tyrus pay a nearly twelve minute fine for one unfortunate sequence of plays in the third. It was pretty clear that, and it hurts me to say this, Noah had no answer for Ryan Anderson in the 4th quarter. That, coupled with Miller’s inability to contain Lopez (w/o any double teams – odd for a team that obsessively doubled every post player all year), made the fourth quarter unbearable. I’m a big fan of more games and playoff experience, but I fear that any 1st round matchup will leave us feeling sick to our stomachs, hoping against hope that VDN didn’t do enough to save his job, even if it is only for 20 games next year.
by Gene Banks on Apr 4, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed (and rec'd).
For most of the 3rd and into the 4th, I was wondering what the heck the Bulls were doing, and why Vinnie the Pooh couldn’t shake them out of their listless play.
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BG, you are chicago.. sign him this summer please...
Derrick Rose colored glasses, gives you a "ROSY" outlook.
hmmm off topic but look at philly, man they started the year lookin like theyre headed to the lottery
but they are currently sitting right at the fifth freakin seed, couldve been us, right? if not for the losses to minny, OKC, indiana, toronto, charlotte, memphis, washington, ARRGGHHHH……
Derrick Rose colored glasses, gives you a "ROSY" outlook.
No, they actually started the year WITH brand.
he played the first couple months with them and was killing their style. Since he went out with injury they have played better.
My fault. I even looked that up, saw the games started, but didn't look at the game logs.
damn, i suck.
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what
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If those guys worked on their Jumpers in the off season
They would of likely had the 4th seed already not sure if they’d be on par with a team like Orlando though.
What was more boring
the Bulls game or the NCAA final four?
I love how college coaches over coach and NBA coaches under coach.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
imagine looking over for the next play and seeing this?
And so I chose the NBA.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
UConn was disappointing
It was horrible I don’t think they got 1 perimeter shot outside of mid range in the last 12 minutes. And gave up possibly double digit offensive rebounds to Michigan.
I thought that UConn didn’t have someone like a Gordon or Lawson that could lead them past those guys. I forget their guard that got injured but they needed him that night.
or other words that people say to pretend Kyle Orton doesn’t suck
Well, never thought you’d talk about football/baseball in this blog. But then again, I’ve never read such a depressing blog before, so, to each his own.
I know, I broke my own rule there
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 5, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a below average starter. He's a decent backup, though. So I guess it depends on what you're expecting of him.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 4, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So is he too short?
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wow Cutler mania has hit blogabull.
I don’t think todays bulls game helped me get over it either.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I'm not even a Bears fan, but Orton sucks - as a starter - and Cutler is fantastic.
Every Bears fan should be happy about the deal. Hopefully they can grab him some receivers to throw to.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 5, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
wrong
every Bulls fan should not be happy about giving up two first round picks, a third round pick and (whether you think he sucks or not) a young, starting QB for a guy who’s never won and throws too many interceptions.
Cuz Kyle Orton won a TON!
Not his historically good defense or anything. Don’t diminish what Urlacher, Briggs et al. did in 2005 to defend Orton.
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nice strawman
but I never said anything about Orton winning or not. Orton is irrelevant as to whether Cutler is worth what the Bears gave up to get him.
Draft picks don't mean shit in this instance
Why don’t people understand that? The Broncos are gonna be spending picks for the next few years (maybe more) trying to find a quarterback. So were the Bears. All this deal does is get it over with early. Cutler may have thrown too many picks, but he’s still young an improving. It’s not like he’s thirty and never gonna get better. And there is no such thing as “overpaying” for a franchise quarterback. It’s by far the most important position on the field, and it’s not close.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 5, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I love
how an argument for the trade is that the Bears waste their draft picks anyway. thats some great logic. something tells me the bears aren’t going to have much hope with or without Cutler if they waste all their first round picks
remind me what Cutler has done to show he’s any more of a franchise quarterback than Rex Grossman?
He carried a team that had a historically bad defense
and was down to its 7th string running back to 8 wins.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 5, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler still has to improve
to become a “franchise quarterback”, I’m not questioning that. All i’m saying is that this trade was the biggest no brainer in the history of earth. I really believe there is no way you can justify NOT making the deal. And it sounds like you agree, but just aren’t as crazy about Cutler. Which is fine, but I disagree.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 5, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just knowing what they're good at.
Like the Cubs knowing they can’t develop good position players from the minors (pre-Soto), so they trade them:
Bobby Hill → Aramis Ramirez
Choi → Lee
Gallagher, Patterson → Harden
The Cubs gave up “too much” last year, right?
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I agree they shouldn't punt picks because they can't do well with them
that’s a systemic thing that will eventually kill you.
But I don’t think the ability to draft and develop a franchise QB is only a Bears problem (well, historically they’re a class above…) but an NFL one. Else there’d be more than 10 of them in the league.
So you figure 1 first rounder would’ve been to draft a QB in the first place. So paying another 1st and 3rd to not only get a sure thing (sure he’s not a bust, anyway), but to have the development process already done by Denver…that’s great value. And why 25 year old pro-bowl QBs rarely(never) are on the block.
This is also with the presumption that QB WAS a hole for the Bears, and like Angelo said it’s the most important hole to fill.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
of course not, but saying it about cutler subltely implies it
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"Guy who's never won"
Fuck, I knew we should have traded for Brad Johnson, or maybe Trent Dilfer!
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 5, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Whats wrong with being Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer
Do you always need to be the strongest or throw the farthest to get the job done?
Walter Payton was never the fastest or maybe even the strongest. But wasn’t he maybe the most intelligent player which leads to being arguably the best RB ever.
Wow, comparing Payton to Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer
LOL
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More like a hyperbole.
Payton in his time he wasn’t the fastest player….he wasn’t the strongest player now granted he was the best RB maybe ever. So its really just trying to take it to a greater extent. Its not a direct comparison.
Dilfer-Johnson aren’t Hall of Famers..or the biggest gun. But they knew their limits and they knew how to play the game.
But they deserve credit I think can’t take away what they’ve done. They lacked in an area where people would other wise say “you can’t win a Super Bowl with him on your team”.
Now Christian Laettner on the dream team is a different story.
Laettner is the biggest reason I hate Dook basketball.
Who is a non-arrogant Dookie besides Luol Deng?
Now Christian Laettner on the dream team is a different story.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 5, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant Hill?
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Payton was good in soooooo many ways.
He didn’t “know his limits”. It wasn’t him trying not to screw it all up that made him great.
Dilfer and Johnson were on winning teams not for anything they necessarily did but more for what they didn’t try to do. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. They weren’t that good of quarterbacks. They mostly just got lucky by not trying to do too much and riding their defenses and the rest of the team to winning. This is all in addition to their “weak arms”.
On the other hand, Walter payton may not have been the fastest, but he was far superior to other RB’s in many ways.
I see your point, and I know what you’re trying to say, but that was a horrible, horrible way to do it.
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Dilfer are to a much lesser extent similiar. They weren’t the “best” in certain areas. But they did what they had to and needed to.
People sometimes take it the wrong way . Its only used for emphasis its suppose to be exaggerated.
There isn’t really a horrible way to do it unless its pretty much vulgar or immature.
Of course Payton was great all this we know. To a lesser extent these guys are similiar. Not that they are legendary…or anywhere close to being him or the best QB in even their own Era.
But Payton was a guy who transcended which is why its an exaggeration but they both had to use more than talent to get to where they got in relation to some other players in their own era. While Dilfer and Johnson may not have been the “greatest” or even the MVP of their own team. They contributed so Dilfer and whatever his name is both have rings right now.
I just don’t see the shame in that. Its not like they are getting much praise.
I think a guy in Laettners case is more so riding the wave. Than a Dilfer or someone. Walter Payton himself probably wouldn’t be that critical of them. Though they may lack the talent of a guy like Cutler.
That being said I don’t hate the trade. I really haven’t thought about it. I just thought Orton should get some kind of credit for his last season it wasn’t terrible; not trying to bite anyones head off of course. Hes a decent QB I think.
And never said Payton “knew his limits” that was for the other two again.
But take it how you will I suppose I’m not really that animated about the whole thing.
Damn, Kerry Collins, then
He’d impart the secrets of success (as in: How to not fuck up games when you have the best defense and running game in the NFL) while downing fifths of Jack, it’d be like Orton never left!
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 5, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
or
ignore the fact that cutler’s dealt with a historically terrible defense. no D = no playoffs
4.2.09 - anno Cutler
yes, the Broncos defense last year might have been the worst
defense of all time. It was bloody awful.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 5, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
bwahaha
this was all a test to root out football simpletons and then use that against them in future arguments here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 5, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
ah
so who have you determined to be simpletons so far ;)
using a QB's win percentage
or times-been-to-playoff percentage….seems to be pretty simple evaluating tools, no?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 5, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Football Outsiders should become those people's friends.
They had Orton ranked 21st out of 41 QBs last year. I guess that makes him ‘mediocre’ instead of sucking. Compared to Cutler (#5 in the league), though, he sucks.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 5, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He is mediocre. Not great, but not horrible, and a good starter.
But this trade is the equivalent of the ‘Trade TT and picks for Amare’ trade, only if Amare was YOUNGER than TT.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Agreed. People upset about this trade from the Bears perspective
haven’t a clue.
Franchise QBs in the NFL just don’t become available on the trade market, almost ever. Giving up a mediocre QB, plus 2 first round draft picks and a 3rd, is not that bad. You can still find value later in the draft for a lot of positions, but it’s incredibly hard to find a franchise QB in any round in the draft. The Bears have gotten that out of the way already. Now they need to get him some targets to throw to, and rebuild their defense a bit. Also, getting Devin Hester back to his ridiculous level on kick returns would help.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
again
you’re jumping to the conclusion that Cutler is a franchise quarterback. if he’s not its a terrible trade and he hasn’t proven himself to be yet.
also you’re assuming that all franchise quarterbacks are good for the team. Brett Favre certainly was a franchise quarterback for the Packers and I wouldn’t want him on the Bears.
My "hope":
3,500 – 4,000 yds
20-25 TD’s
10-13 INT’s
550 ATT
63% comp%
if he can do that, who cares about two picks?
as for the last comment, hahahahahaha
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He's been to the Pro Bowl already
and if you’ve ever watched him, it’s clear he’s a franchise QB. He needs to work on ball security a bit, but other than that, he’s got everything you’d ever want in a QB. As far as Favre goes, he took the Packers to two Super Bowls and won one. I don’t see why you wouldn’t want a guy like that on your team, other than the obnoxious Madden / media slobbering that went on with him, but Cutler certainly won’t be getting that treatment now that he’s been labeled with the “crybaby” thing.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
"also you’re assuming that all franchise quarterbacks are good for the team. "
::raises hand::
guilty.
Though perhaps you’re ready for more ‘managing the game’, or whatever other ways coaches say they don’t have a QB who can actually make plays
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
also
(I don’t know or care as much about the NFL, btw)
It seems like with the strict cap and addiction to parity that the NFL has, the one way to stay in contention for a long period of time is to have a franchise QB. Everything else can stand to be way more fluid.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
well
its kind of self fulfilling prophecy. no one would likely call Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger franchise quarterbacks if they didnt win championships. its a pretty subjective term. do people still consider Carson Palmer a franchise quarterback?
well, his knee got exploded
would you put Kyle Orton in the same class of Manning or Roethlisberger?
Heck I still think Rex is better. I just have an seething prejudice towards ‘game managing’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Grossman vs. Orton
Rex was hurting the team with his turnovers. Orton would frequently get three and outs but at least they’d punt afterwards. The Bears were built for that style of play.
Also, don’t assume that Orton is the best kind of game manager. Tom Brady prior to 18-1 was a Hall of Famer and also a game manager, by having low turnovers and making the plays only when he needed to.
Cutler I think is a much better Rex Grossman, but still cut from the same cloth and I’d prefer a QB cut from the Brady cloth.
hahahahahaha
I’d prefer one cut from the Manning cloth.
You’re funny.
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"The Bears were built for that style of play."
::barf::
The NFL has been trying for years and years to increase offense, only to have the corpse of Halas and mustache of Ditka hold the Bears back. This trade is worth 6 first round picks if it means they’re serious about playing modern football from here on out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm about to flag you guys!
Starting with you Mr. Boss! :P
We’re heading into the post-season and you’re blogging Football??
Honestly??
I thought for a moment
I was logged into Windy City Gridiron. :)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 6, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, that would make sense, thanks :)
See, I knew it was something funny and I was missing out…
I don't know of anyone that does call
Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger a franchise QB. Not anyone whose opinion I respect anyway. There are really only a handful of franchise quarterbacks in the league and the Bears just got one of them. You should be happy, but feel free to be a Debbie Downer.
The argument you’re making is so circular and easy, it’s almost impossible to prove wrong, because every time someone gives you facts that shows you Cutler is probably a franchise QB, you say that it’s just a self-fulfilling label. Okay, it’s a label. It’s a label given as a short hand to the very best in quarterbacks the league has to offer. There aren’t many of those guys out there. I’d argue that there’s Brady, Manning, and then you’re dropping down a level to guys like McNabb, Rivers, and Cutler. Cutler has the most talent of those guys and he’s way younger than McNabb. Just frickin’ be happy about it already.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
I assume you’re forgetting Brees. I’d also put Warner ahead of Cutler.
Look, I’m not saying Cutler doesnt have a chance to be great I’m saying its not sure a thing he’ll be a guy who can carry a team to a championship and if you build around a quarterback thats what you’re gonna need him to do, because a strong passing attack usually comes at the expense of defense and a running game.
The Bears are going to build around him?
What does that even mean?
Are they going to go out and draft a WR? Oh noes! Would they not have done that anyway? O…M…G!
I think you’re confusing causation with correlation in your last few sentences. There’s nothing that says you can’t have good both.
It might be that a team that leads the league one will have a hard time being high in the other, but then you’re just looking at total yards. I think you’d learn by now from reading this site that efficiency is at least as important as total production by now.
Compare the to QB Ratings of teams (imperfect, yes, but not laughable) compared with yards per rush. ATL, NE and NYG were good in both running and passing last year.
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he's going to be here 5-8 years
I can handle him passing to Hester/Bennett/Davis plus whoever they pick up or take with their 2nd round pick (it’s true, they did not give the Broncos every single pick) for a season if it means not having to find a QB.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yea
but between paying Cutler and drafting new weapons for him its gonna be hard to keep up the quality on the other side of the ball.
that's always hard
because of free agency and the cap. It’s harder to find a franchise QB
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
actually
there kind of is something that says you can’t have both: the salary cap. thats why its so rare that teams are top tier in both categories.
Just means you have to be smart.
As I said, NYG, NE and ATL all had good passing and running offenses.
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Warner?
He’s 37 for chrissakes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, Warner is from Iowa.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 6, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
well, you've already got the defense down
for the most part. It needs patching up, but the foundation is still strong. Matt Forte’s a damned fine runner, so I don’t think Cutler’s going to be doing anything at his expense. He’ll probably make life much, much easier for him.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about putting Brees in
so sure you can throw him into that group. It’s still a select group. I wouldn’t include Warner because he’ll likely be retired at this time next year, so he doesn’t count. Plus, Warner has been intermittenly awful (Giants years) and spectacular, so I don’t put him up with those guys.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
question
does that take into account the weapons at the QBs disposal? we can all agree Denver had a stronger receiving core than the Bears right?
better wide receivers? sure
better receiving TE or better receiving RB? No
agree?
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I think Cutler helped them just as much as vice versa
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 6, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, back around 1988 or so,
John Wooden contended that Bird and Magic were better than Jordan since they had led their teams to championships. That always seemed unfair to me, since both Bird and Magic had HOF teammates, while Jordan’s best to that point was Oakley.
using a QB’s win percentage or times-been-to-playoff percentage….seems to be pretty simple evaluating tools, no?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 5, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice
Way to bring it back to Basketball, I like the comparison.
I still like the Hinrich to Orton comparison. Both average players playing positions where generally you want to have a star.
You can win with either one of them but you need other parts.
I don’t know who I would compare Cutler to, Maybe D Williams. maybe not the #1 point guard, but definitely top 5.
I disagree that in basketball
you necessarily want your superstar to be at PG. Usually you want to have the dominant big man in the league if you want to win championships.
Think about it, how many times has the best PG won the title? When Kidd was the best PG in the league, he didn’t win the title. When Nash was the best, he didn’t win. CP3 is the current best PG in the league, but he’s got no help, so he won’t be winning this year or any time soon until he gets some help. Stockton had Malone and it still wasn’t enough (thanks MJ :-) ). Magic was probably the best PG ever and he won multiple titles, but he also had the most dominant big man in the league at the time. I’d argue that the best place to have a dominant player is on the pivot (at the 4 or 5), but if you have a superstar at any position in basketball, it matters so much more than in football, because there are so many more players on a football team. However, if there is one position in the NFL that matters above all the others, it’s the QB.
I think there’s a tendency to want to equate PGs and QBs because they both have to have similar skills (seeing the field of play, fitting the ball into tight spaces, etc.), but in terms of their impact, a superstar at PG is to me, less important than having a superstar at QB in the NFL, which I would equate to having a superstar big man in the NBA. It greatly increases your chances of winning the title.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't let his horrid post playing career make you forget
how great Isiah Thomas was in the playoffs. His almost beating the Lakers single-handedly in Game 6 of the 1988 Finals, while hobbling on one foot, is one of the all time great performances.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 7, 2009 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions
He was great to be sure, but he wasn't the best PG
in the league at the time he won those championships. It was still Magic.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 7, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Why can't Orton just suck without the mention of Cutler?
Angelo wanted to upgrade QB even before Cutler was available.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Yes, this is what makes no sense. The Bears needed a better QB.
They got the best young QB in the entire league when he was only 25 years old and STILL people bitch. Some people just like being miserable.
I guess that’s why they’re also Bulls fans. Sigh.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 6, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he doesn't suck.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
He's the kind of decent QB that Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer were
As in, give him a top 5 defense, top 5 rushing offense, and above average offensive line, and yes, Kyle Orton will win over 10 games a year.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 4, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He is indisputably [and has always been] better than Rex, though ... and I think he actually is a solid starter. Kind of like Hinrich,
But as much as I’ve been a part of the Kyle Orton fanclub for the last two years [despite my low interest in Football … it doesn’t clash with basketball season, so hooray], though, the Bears definitely had to make this trade regardless.
It’s been a long time since we’ve had a QB like Cutler.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Yeah thats how I see it
He was pretty decent especially the 1st half of the year he was practically carrying the team.
I remember how he walked them down in Atlanta….that was a crushing loss but it was like Orton really came a long way.
He did improve
But, with all the problems the Bears have, he wasn’t going to do much. Draft picks are nice, but how many winners has Angelo taken in the 1st round? I count Greg Olsen and……..yea.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 5, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about the trade
I don’t mind that. I’m pretty much indifferent.
I just thought he did well when he played. Even rookie year just managing the offense like they say. Though this year he seemed to drop off after that injury.
Hopefully he can get the spot in Denver.
Tommie Harris, sort of.
And if you count Colombo and um… Chris Williams is too young to be a bust. hah!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I know Casey thinks that Detriot is better without AI
But how much better.
Detroits going to play a back to back vs the Cats. Then after they play the Knicks the Nets and back to back again vs Indy. Thats not even a trap game everyone knows beating the Pacers on their court isn’t easy.
We might have a tougher schedule though as far as opponents.
at least we won...rose had a decent game
by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 5, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions
Rose
That shot where he hung in the air, faked right, then left, then shot to the right…. was SICK! He had a few other spectacular plays too.
Winning this time of the year is everything.
I was at the game and yes we had that horrible stretch of turning the ball over multiple possessions. Lopez did torch Miller. However we sometimes forget the positives. Beside winning a critical game I was impressed by the Bulls defense the last two minutes of the game. They were monsters inside. TT and Noah were playing great. We finished the game on a 10 – 0 run.
I thought Salmons was terrific, particularly when we needed a big shot. His steal at the end of the game was the nail-in-the-coffin play. I agree with bullsfaninbigapple that Rose was also key to this win. Vinny made a good adjustment putting Noah on Lopez which closed him down. BG made two key threes to make the win possible. I’m as big a critic of this team as anyone but yesterday’s game was an example of a team that needed a win and found a way to get it.
Seriously why don't the ref call fouls for Rose?
he gets hacked all day.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
true.. true.. rookie induction... maybe next year they'll balance the no calls issued this year
man up!
Next national broadcast Bulls game, VDN needs to go off on the officials PJ style
in the post game interview. (And Paxdorf should pay the fine).
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 5, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Orton doesn't throw down field too well, Hinrich has little arch on his shot therefore a miss (clanks off the rim quickly) and never leads to a put back or an offensive rebound
Ok., about even.
NY tanking.. trying to hold on for higher lottery pick 7th instead of moving down to 11th pick.
The race to the bottom…. We need to start scrubs .. Gray, Deng, Roberson and company to make this game competitive.. D’Antonie will pull players trying to be competitive and sit them.. a win here in Chicago for the Knicks is not better than a loss for them overall.
Still, I believe Hinrich shooting no arch problem is correctable with a good shooting coach and repetitive work over the summer. Interesting thing is Kirk shoots a low arch shot much like Kobe, just with less accuracy and less success? This line drive shot is either an all netter or a clang off the rim. Nothing in between..
man up!
Try living here in Iowa!!!
I concede at the thought of seeing your “hawkeye” avatar staring at me for the rest of the evening…
Maybe we can?
I was coerced!
Need I say more about Iowa?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 6, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take Brad over
either of these guys
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gacy/gacy_1.html
Actually, this place isn't bad
as long as you don’t mind a downtown that smells like oatmeal (I am in the city of Five Agricultural Processing Smells Seasons).
Lohaus does have a slight edge in the “Battle of the Brads”.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 8, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Cedar Rapids?
If it is I’m sure the smell of oatmeal is better than the smell of flood water from last spring.
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