Have the Bulls given up on Tyrus Thomas?

he played really well for most of that game, and even though hinrich had a great first half and was good defensively the whole game, he really didn’t do much for me in the 2nd half. when ray fouled out and we were up 3 at the 525 mark i wanted tyrus to come in for hinrich then, and if they want to keep pierce at the 4 we couldve had fish on him and tyrus on either useless tony allen or useless marbury and help out like crazy on rondo and pierce.

winning to the Bulls organization.

The motto for this series should be : IT’S MILLER TIME !

(And I like Miller…except in the 4th…and except when there is a requirement to do something quickly, like dunk with 3 seconds left in a game)

and that is the difference between Noah and Tyrus. I think Noahs play has made it where Tyrus can be shopped. Depending on who they get Noah could play effectively at the 4 or 5 spot.

when can we realistically expect a new coach for the Bulls. If we had a real coach how far would the Bulls go this season?? If weeeeee onnnnly had a coach!

but I just don’t understand why everyone makes excuses for him. You see, the thing about Tyrus Thomas is, sometimes… he’s an idiot (and I say this with no ill-will… well, maybe a little). As soon as this series became winnable, Vinny relegated TT to second fiddle. I mean say what you will about game 1, you’re telling me you weren’t ready to strangle the life out of him when he started chucking up miracles? Truthfully, his one on one d has been streaky, and he never seems to know when and when not to help. How bout that little refusal to give the ball to his franchise point guard for free throws the other day? Could coaches do a better job developing his talent? Absolutely. But at what point does Tyrus accept a good portion of blame for being uncoachable? Part of me thinks Tyrus would have shot a jumper had he received that pass from Hinrich at the end of game 5. I would agree that his athleticism alone should warrant some more minutes down the stretch against a team that has looked very old and tired, at least to give The Blur (B-Mill) a rest. Vinny has been willing to reward solid play with minutes. Look at Joakim. As previously mentioned, he is now entrenched. Tyrus hasn’t earned it. I still have hopes for him, but let’s hold him accountable.

The “3 big shots” in game 1 were for the most part all terrible decisions. One of those was a step inside the 3 which made no sense and had it missed, we’d all be saying nonstop how much we hate him. The reason Tyrus isn’t playing is because he proves time and time again that he isn’t responsible enough to play.

Tyrus is clearly more athletic than Big Baby, yet in their LSU days Davis was the star because he understood basketball. Still today, Davis is seeming to be the more dependable smarter player.

I’m not quite so sure why you are so obsessed with Tyrus. You can continue to blame it on the coaching staff, but its clearly not their fault. They play Noah plenty of minutes these playoffs because he clearly understands his role. He plays smart basketball, and the coaches reward him even though he has 1 year less experience and was drafted later.
 
In fact, I don’t really see how you think Tyrus should play. If he has yet to learn his lesson, which is already a little stunning, you think he should just get minutes and continue to learn nothing and lose us playoff games with his long range jumpers and “give up anything for a block” approach on defense?

Believe me, I really hope he turns out to be good because he was essentially the 2nd overall pick. But the fact of the matter is, he showed in game 1 that he isn’t ready yet for the playoffs and he further showed this in other games this series and I see no reason to reward him. Right now, the future is Noah and Rose until Tyrus realizes he isn’t the next Lebron.

coach who really helped him in his NBA career.. was there? is there? i really believe that if there’s a well-qualified coach, well-respected coach(a coach who won championships, a coach who in his NBA playing career played hard and were respected by fans) who will tell him what he needs to do to be very effective and help him all the way, then we will know if he’s a really a bust or not.

the problem is, is there still such coaches like that?

deserves atleast 30mins a game. With the number of easy layups that Perkins and CryBaby gets, you need TT to protect the rim. He may fire up a couple of bad J but his rebounding/hustle and blocks that usually allows BG and Rose to run, really helps this team. And just knowing that he’s there in the middle has some effect on Boston mentally.

And Bad Ass Miller, wether the guy is playing well or not, give the guy some rest and stop using him for long stretches. How many times should we see him lose out in chasing lose balls.

And at putting Salmons at the 4. I like this move but only in spurts. playing small ball helps mix it up a little bit and change the tempo. Make the opponent think a little bit and adjust. BUT it rarely works in extended period. Its easy to figure it out esp for a team like Boston

The problem with Tyrus is that he’d have the most impact on a defensive-oriented team, and the Bulls aren’t that and VDN shows little interest in moving the team in that direction. Tyrus could be a monster piece if the other four players were interested in shutting people down. Since they aren’t his impact is limited to the three or four weakside blocks he can get per game.

And his offense…I don’t think his jump shot belongs in an effective offense and he just isn’t willing/able to fit into the flow of what we do run as an offense. He spends too much time out near the three point line, when he gets the ball in the post or gets it on the wing, he’s all a big rush, etc., etc…

In the end, it’s about fitting pieces TOGETHER…what worries me most is not even VDN so much but that Paxson seems good at assembling pieces but not figuring out how they fit together. That’s what this off-season is about, figuring out how to build a winning team out of the pieces we have and what they could be traded for…

This article from truehoop reads as if it were written about Tyrus. Just swap out the name.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-157/Josh-Smith—So-Good——-So-Bad.html

every block he gets is worth a bucket. When he doesn’t get the block, it’s in their head. He won game 1 for them with his shooting. If he was in the position Miller was in in Game 5, that would’ve been a dunk and possibly a 3 point play. He’s been clutch with his free throw shooting.

They’ve let Miller have his minutes, and he’s lost games for them. You can’t be turning the ball over as an experienced veteran.

They let Rose go and make mistakes and learn, Ben Gordon as well. Why not put some faith in him, let him make a few mistakes and he’ll be a premier player in the league. They’ve never really turned him loose.

Going to the UC now. Wish me luck.
:P

brad miller is basically just a skinny glorified version of bill laimbeer

and the local media misanthropes who feed into Vinny’s hysteria which allows him to make Tyrus his favorite whipping boy and the convenient scapegoat for his own miserable failures.

To paraphrase the late Ronald Reagan’s old maxim…“Government isn’t the solution, Government is the problem”, I say “VDN isn’t the solution, VDN is the problem” or “TT isn’t the problem, TT may be the solution”.

Since most agree that defense is usually the key to winning (or losing) a game would you Tyrus haters please rate Vinny on
1) making sure he has the right players in the game in crunch time.
2) setting up the best defensive schemes and assignments for the game situation. For example which is probably RULE #1 in Defense for Dummies. Make sure to get help side defense on your opponents star player (Duh, Dumbass DelDeficient) especially when there are 2 non-entities at the corners, Allen and Starbury.
3) Making the right adjustments in real time by actually observing what is taking place before your eyes. If a team has an 11 point lead shouldn’t playing lock down defense be more important than trying to create an Iso for our wingmen?
4) On wisely using timeouts, instead of eating them up or even worse, not calling them when the ship just hit an iceburg.
5) The brilliance of having Rose matched up on Pierce with the game on the line. Oh wait that was Tyrus’s fault he was abused for the upteenth time in that game and throught the entire series.

With an 11 point lead against a tired, old, depleted, banged up team wouldn’t it make sense to run some clock like having the king of dribbling around in circles, Kirk Hinrich handle the ball instead of a rookie who committed 27 turnovers so far. But he can’t trust Tyrus since he did have a turnover, which was a result of a somewhat iffy offensive fould whistled against him. Oh sorry, I forgot that Kirk was on the bench for the first 7 minutes, which was a smart move, since the Celtics said he was the key player who hurt them more on both sides of the court in thier last 2 games. Damn you Tyrus.

I actually reviewed each play from the Bulls 11 point lead to their ultimate loss and was able to identify numerous screwups by players who never get blamed for anything (Miller, Gordon, Salmons, and especially Derrick) which directly led to the loss. And oh yes I did observe many times where all with the exception of Noah guilty of not sprinting the court. I have already gone too long, but will be happy to relive the latter part of the game, play by play to demonstrate where the real finger should be pointed and be one more reason why we need to FIRE THE DUNCE, THE ANTI-COACH NOW.

It seems that Rose has a tendency to pick Rondo up too high when he is out of shooting range and then plays him so close, Rajon easily gets around him with a single quick step leaving him staring at his speedy ass until Pierce, Allen or the 2 stooges run over with a moving pick and shove him out of the way like a rag doll so he doesn’t get to see the finish of Rondo going in for another easy layup, especially since Tyrus is the only one quick enough to roll off his man and provide some help which is very difficult to do while sitting on the edge of the bench.

yes the coaching staff sucks, no we dont have a true 3, yes the media loves crap players and gives them carte blanche (eh hem there “The Truth”, BG, “Mr Clutch” Allen, “Big Baby”, the suck-ass foul a minute Perkins), no the refereeing has not beed good or mediocre or even not bad it has been damn horrible and I am freakin sick of not one tv persona sayin it, I watch my white sox and tho hawk and stone are very pro white sox they will tell it how it is, bad umping…boom they say he missed one- it went in our favor who hear a giggle and a ok we got a gift from one of em, but I cant say much about the second half of game 5 or OT, why? cause I was so sickened by the first half…. both teams, refs, and the our freakin coaches I watched god damn food channel and a will and grace episode….. that my friends is how pissed I was…. just purely unhappy and if tonite aint better I wont and will refuse to watch the second half, hhmmm I feel better so good to unload about that mess of a game 5 just a total loss, really getting me to think very unfavorably on the NBA, not that I wasnt before it is just getting worse

I’ve been one of the biggest Tyrus supporters but I think his lack of Bball IQ will never change. He’s better than Stromile but at best he will be a Josh Smith which is ok but not that great. I don’t think he’s ever going to really “get it”. I’m tired of all the jumpers he shoots. Any idiot can see he is at his most effective around the basket. He has good handles and can blow by many PFs or he can catch alley oops all day. Instead he wants to play like a guard and jack up 18 footers. I can’t blame the Bulls for this. He needs to realize how he can be most effective. Noah know his role…Tyrus doesn’t. Being a true ball player is about more than just jumping higher than everyone else. You gotta have some smarts and know-how and I just don’t see this popping into Tyrus’ s head. He’s a space cadet pure and simple…I’d trade him for a better, more consistent big. I still like him being than LMA.

He’s really not that far off from J.Smith. Only difference is that Smith is a more reliable jumpshooter and has legit 3 pt range. I’m not a huge fan of Smith’s game to be honest….he’s a more developed Tyrus basically with the same low basketball IQ.