No Further Action Against Rondo
[Well, apparently the league can't figure out their own rule on flagrants. I never thought a suspension was necessary or likely, but they could've retroactively called that a flagrant foul with no consequence except maybe some form of actual correctness.
But it's over now, all that matters from the Bulls standpoint is winning the series, other extracurriculars like this won't be remembered for very long. For instance, KG has always been a jackass. But he once was a jackass who won, now he's just a jackass who can't even play. The difference is the winning, not whether or not he's a self-parody. That was always the case. I'll now save the rest of my cheap shots at the Celtics and their fans in the comments. -ed.]
Seriously? Gotta love the one comment.
" good...hope the refs keep the bulls in check…think the bulls will be chippy"
Maybe the refs should keep your dirty ass players in check.
I really think I hate all Boston fans.
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that is a joke
i wasn’t expecting a suspension— nor do i think it warranted one— but to not even fine him is ridiculous
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like that'd be about my reaction, too
if this had gone the other way around.
-sw
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by Steve Weinman on Apr 29, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BULLSHIT.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perfectly predictable.
If the NBA does the right thing – a fine or suspension – it admits that it basically cost the Bulls game 5, and likely, the series. This would be admitted it was wrong.
Not going to happen. For God’s sake: Lebron James ran across the floor against Washington and they still haven’t admitted it was a travel.
79% of fans on the ESPN poll thought it was, and should have been called, a flagrant. When you subtract the Boston folks voting, it’s not close. Any objective viewer knew what they saw.
Total bullshit. Totally predictable.
Love it live.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
im not quite as outraged
simply because im still pissed at our players (and to an extent, VDN) for even putting ourselves in that situation; we should have put that game away without OT. but yes, it definitely should’ve been a flagrant, and it sucks
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And considering how physical
they’ve been so far there (physical as in fouling hard, hurting people, and not getting calls) is a dangerous acceleration happening. I don’t really see how something terrible won’t happen in the next game or two.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
i imagine they start out game 6 calling it real tight, and then loosening up once the players get into the flow of the game. in the heat of the moment i highly doubt any players will be thinking about what happened last game.
although, if something does happen, i hope it involves someone knocking out garnett. how he hasnt gotten a t yet is beyond me
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true,
we could’ve done more to win. No doubt. But you can say that any game, about any team. The question (from a fan persepective) isn’t “what more could the bulls have done to win?” It’s “why did the refs give the Celtics a better chance to win?”
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would only suspend him if the Bulls had won
Like they did with Howard. Since Orlando won that game, and Howard elbowed Dalembert too early in the game, they don’t have to admitt anything.
by bull83 on Apr 29, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet they dont kick howard out of a game for an elbow and then suspend the best young center in the game
they flat out didnt think they rondo deserved a suspension, and didnt.
by PaintItBlack on Apr 30, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't have the officials admit they don't know what the fuck they're doing
Tommy Point!
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
reading comments on the CelticsBlog
makes me want to hurt innocent children.
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ive been doing that the past couple days too
and it gets me fired up sometimes. however not everyone over there is an idiot; i think the difference is people try to reason and argue too much with the idiots over there, while here they just post their one comment and no one pays much attention to it
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between them and Pats fans
I think I will forever hate all of Boston
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't hate me :(
i just live here!
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by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get a special exemption
Sort of like a grandfather clause or something.
But you have to take a test oath that you will loathe the Celtics for the remainder of the season and going forward unless and until they once again suck royally.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or stop being assholes.
I was a Kevin Garnett fan for so long …
sigh.
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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same, same, same here
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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but let me guess, youre a pink hat red sox fan?
by PaintItBlack on Apr 30, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a little surprised, simply because they went with the suspension for Dwight
I know the rule is different for elbows to the head, and didn’t really expect a Rondo suspension. But to have one of the guys with a questionable foul suspended and the other – on the same day, and with replays of both all over the media – not even fined or upgraded to a flagrant surprises me.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
My thoughts exactly, Rec
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by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec.
The difference here is that, if the NBA admits it was a flagrant, it admits to having give the Celtics the series. It can’t correct that mistake, so it prefers to ignore the fact. I fully expect a few early, non-important calls to go our way on Thursday. Then KG will scowl at a ref, and they’ll go back to being the same sychophantic Celtic sweat-slurpers they’ve been all series. Suffering suckatash.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
BINGO!
That’s the bottom line. The NBA has nothing to gain by admitting that it was a flagrant foul. The only thing that would do is create more controversy and make whoever won the series looks as though they were tainted (particularly if that team is the Celtics).
In Howard’s case there was an opportunity to right the wrong. The NBA will have done everything in their power and comes out looking great. A suspension was never possible or plausible with Rondo, so in their eyes it’s probably best to just move on. (And the Bulls should get MANY borderline calls on Thursday).
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 29, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will get those calls Thurs.
But now the series is kind of ruined, because instead of a fair battle between two evenly matched teams, it becomes about who can work the refs better – VDN or Doc/KG’s chin.
Who you got in that match-up, Juice?
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course you take the Celtics in that matchup
BUT, this is what all playoff series are like. Especially the really good ones. The refs are always part of the story, there was never any reason to think that this series should’ve been any different.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 29, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
in that the NBA would have everything to gain from admitting it was wrong. Saying it wasn’t deserving of a Flagrant when 49 of the 50 states and probably even Puerto Rico, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands agree that it was shows that the NBA doesn’t want to admit that their officiating is a problem.
Either they don’t want to admit it or they honestly think that they don’t have an officiating problem. And admitting/upgrading that mistake would show that they recognize the officials can make a mistake. Once the recognize that, it would seem that they would be able to show that they are going to try to prevent it from happening again.
by CubFan81 on Apr 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It basically just came down to: what will cause the most damage?
And clearly, admitting that the foul was a flagrant, after the fact, had ZERO upside other than maybe giving a little bit of resolve to the issue. Whatever little shit-storm is going on right now is half of what it would have been had the NBA admitted there was a mistake. PLUS, there are enough writers and “experts” nationally and locally saying that it was NOT a flagrant, that the whole thing would go away pretty quickly.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the fact that Howard elbowed Dalembert early in the game helped
It’s not like Philly lost that game because of that action. In Rondo case, it’s different. That foul cost us the game and, who knows, maybe the series
by bull83 on Apr 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh?
Philly wouldn’t have been helped by having Dwight Howard kicked out?
Also, the Bulls were still down two.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for my ignorance, had to check the rules
Individual flagrant foul (official’s judgment: intent to harm) : Immediate ejection and participant must leave premises – minimum of two games; maximum done for season
It’s this, right?
If so, yeah, it could have been a huge help for Philly not having to play against Howard
by bull83 on Apr 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't find the plays similar at all
Dwight’s elbow was entirely intentional, and after the play was over. Rondo at least could have a case for making a basketball play in the heat of the action.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should show up wearing glasses to Thursday's game. Next!
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
What about the whole Bulls roster walking out in facemasks?
Perhaps for the introductions?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't take too many precautions when playing against Boston and their refs.
And we know gentlemen wouldn’t hit guys wearing masks.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or glasses!
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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they have flagrant 1 and flagrant 2 to play with
I don’t think the plays are similar – the similarity is that both were questionable calls and both are getting a ton of media attention. In some ways I think they’re actually getting more attention for both happening the same night and being called in favor of the home team.
It’s because of that I am a little surprised they went totally opposite directions on the outcomes. I expected at least a fine on Rondo’s foul, and thought it probably would (and should) be upgraded to a flagrant 1 – that wouldn’t change anything, but at least it reinforces that the NBA is serious about not hitting guys in the head.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's what I mean
Rondo was a flagrant 1, Howard was a flagrant 2
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
upgraded would mean that the NBA would have to admit a mistake
and potentially cost the Bulls the game; I think that’s the crucial difference
2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.
by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why did they do it with howard then?
The bulls were not cost a game, any sad sappy person who thinks so is a moron. its called hang on to an 11 pt lead weith 5 to go, or make the damn free throws and you guys could be looking to close out
by PaintItBlack on Apr 30, 2009 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We would have tied or at least
had two shots AND the ball out of bounds. The game was still up in the air.
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by cranscape on Apr 30, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celtics would have won the series...
… if Pierce made his clutch free throws in Game 1 & 4 and Gordon didn’t make his miracle 3 pointer in Game 3.
by AlexC on Apr 30, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bulls would have won game 4 anyways
if not for ray’s “miracle” shot, same for game 2 going into overtime.
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by Jaina on Apr 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it a miracle that Paul Pierce doesn't know how to defend inbounds plays, either?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo couldn't even reach
Miller’s head with his elbow.
by Cannoli on Apr 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes the league is protecting rondo, and not dwight howard.. that makes sense
actually, they were 2 different cases, that were handled as such
by PaintItBlack on Apr 30, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Head shots are only fouls.
Rondo better be ready to take a few playoff head shots tonight.
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by cranscape on Apr 30, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we'll get to see a Linton Johnson appearance early in the first quarter...
he wouldn’t even really need to hit Rondo. Just look at him and grin like he’s about tear his head off Mortal Kombat style. Think that will be enough to make Rondo timid?
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
by Bigred15 on Apr 29, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Rondo's juiced
on adrenaline or whatever… Seems like you’ll have to put his ass in a sling to get him off the court.
I suggest we sign Bill Romanowski as a defensive specialist… In my dreams, but the thought of him head-hunting Rondo is still nice to entertain…
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by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then get him to spit on him too....
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
by Bigred15 on Apr 29, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hAHA
Is there an NBA rule against spitting?
Maybe only if you’re Barkley and hitting people in the stands…
"Remember, I'm Italian".
by BCs71 on Apr 29, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Brad Miller was wincing and spitting blood right on the court.
One of the truly memorable scenes of Brad the Bull in his second stint.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fully expected
Brad to walk up to someone in green and spit blood in his face. Would have been classic
by torch on Apr 30, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why bother, we cannot compete in a ref whining contest with Celtics fans
They’re so deranged they think David Stern has it out to get them as some sort of NY vendetta against Red Auerbach. They believed this so much that they propped up Red’s dead corpse a la ‘weekend at bernies’ at home games starting in 1998 to counter-act this imaginary bias (not Len Bias, though he’s also dead). That’s dedication.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 23 recs
wow, you weren't kidding when you said you had some cheap shots in store
ripping on two dead guys in 1 post. and some of the comments ive read recently from some celts fans have left me absolutely dumbfounded. they seriously think there is some sort of larger conspiracy trying to hold them down.
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm afraid to even take a look at their comments
there were absolutely no consequences for rondo’s foul, how do they make a colorable claim for a conspiracy without suffering any negative repercussions…. i’m guessing they don’t think there should have been a foul called?
2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.
by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
best parenthetical statement you’ve ever said…and that’s saying a lot.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do tend to use them a lot
(random evil thoughts constantly creeping in)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snide comments about Celtics fans? Check.
Simultaneously making fun of their dead heros and storied history? Check-check.
Matt, you’re fearless.
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by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
if I really was, I would’ve put it on the main post. I wimped out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Though I really like the pun. I suggest a game sign, for use at games in Boston:
WTF, REFS? I THOUGHT THE PRO-BOSTON ‘BIAS’ DIED IN ’86!
Also, I suggest the bearer of such a sign have either body armor or a deathwish.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Wow, that's good.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done...
I’m watching the game surrounded by Boston fans in Maine today…I’m totally going to use this…Thank you!
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Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 30, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, be careful :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the most intelligent thing you've written in your Bloghistory
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truly grotesque.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that this can ever be rec-ed enough.
by McCabe on Apr 29, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at the point where if I were to see
anyone wearing anything related to Boston, I would beat the shit out of them.
I can’t explain how pissed I am.
The league has become a joke.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
vendetta!!!
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
by Yibs on Apr 29, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And another thing:
Holy shit, I hear one more time that it was a “great foul” by Rondo, I’m going to explode. Frak you, Doc Rivers. If it’s called as it should have been, it gives the Bulls two shots and the ball. From down 2 to a chance to tie with ball.
In other words, it was a terrible foul – equal parts cheapness and stupidity. It was only being cheap, stupid and corrupt that saved the Celtics from losing.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is only great because it accomplished what clean play could not.
Rondo got beat. Being dirty was the only option. And for Boston there are no risks in going dirty like other teams risk (aka Magic just today).
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also 'great' and 'foul'
should be an oxymoron. It’s bad that fouling is part of ‘strategy’ at all, but that ship has sailed long ago.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that strategy plays with the Sacramento Kings
I wish we could borrow Noce for this series only just to annoy Celtic Nation to the point of destruction.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noce and Noah
wow
That would be really annoying to them
by bull83 on Apr 29, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
we would’ve gotten swept or something
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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo has done fouls like that all sieres long, and has only got called once
Hes kind of a bitch, who hits hard and flops even harder.
And im really sick of doc rivers.
by Gen on Apr 29, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Either way I wouldn’t be happy with the outcome. Suspending Rondo doesn’t put the teams back into a position where their play alone decides the outcome. Game 5 is over. It sucked, but it’s over.
The only outcome I see as working within the current rules is protecting them by adding the silent video official next season. There are too many things the league is avoiding to keep the offensive strategy to sell the game to a wider audience. I’m partial towards the men are men and they’re going to claw, cheat, and steal within the rules until they fight to settle it and both get kicked out and suspended. Otherwise it is Hammurabi’s law and eye for an eye.
That’s how we play in the gym and the street where the rules are unwritten for very specific reasons. In an organized league you must have structure to close as many loopholes as possible.
I really don’t like the prospects though. This general poll from ESPN has numbers way too high to indicate anything close to unanimity in enforcing the rules of the game.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and the NBA cares????
all they had to do was fine/ flagrant 1. It doesn’t affect the outcome of the game and protects furter action. It also give the players some belief that this will not be tolerated. This was the only way to prevent further actions. I highly think Brad Miller will have that in the back of his head when he sees Rondo attempting a layup.
Something could go horribly wrong with a smaller Rondo and an injury could occur. This all could of been prevented with just a fine or admission of just a bad call.
Tommorrow at the UC shall be interesting….
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by tyrus4prez on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe brad can hit in the open court and celtics will come off the bench
then get suspended,
by Gen on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, now that would be a great techincal
get aaron gray on the court, have him punch pierce in the face. gray’s gone, but the entire boston team leaves the bench and is suspended. if a fouling a guy on the face can be a strategy, why not a tech
by The90sBullsRevival on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Boston.
Fuck KG. Fuck Celtics fans and Fuck the refs. Oh ya Vinny too…fuck him the most.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
lol
Vinny can’t even be spared despite the skullduggery from the NBA and the Celtics.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if you'll excuse me, I'm going to wash my hands off with soap after that one...
For the comments and bc of all this swine flu nonsense…can’t be too careful you know.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh It Live!
off topic, but since I didn’t see a better way to contact you, I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t mind taking a look at my comment on your fanshot from last week, linked here.
Didn’t notice it until now, but just wanted to clarify that I’m not the one who made that remark about Noah.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 29, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies Steve.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, UIL
Hope I didn’t come off like a jerk there – was just a bit surprised to find it and wanted to clarify.
Truth be told, it seems to be with increasing regularity lately that my readers are referring to me as “Jeff” – quite an honor for me.
On the flip side, I can only imagine how insulted Jeff would be to be mistaken for me. :-D
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 29, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing
the Bulls can do now is come out and win the next two games. Perfect revenge.
by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
kik thier ass and watch them burn (out) thier window is closing fast, lets just shut it on them!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on. You don’t decide the game on a questionable “flagrant” call when rondo inadvertently smacks the side of Miller’s head. As far as I can tell… it was Miller falling on Pierce’s elbow that caused the bleeding. Hopefully teh Bulls players aren’t as rattled as the fans or they are going to end up blowing a series that they should rightfully win. They have the far superior team.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Bulls are as rattled up as us
I fear for the health of your team.
And rewatch that. Miller’s head never hits Pierce’s elbow.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
like these celts fans over and over have claimed it was pierce’s elbow, but his elbow is like in brad’s armpit.
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by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other thing is Pierce clearly sticks the elbow out in an attempt to hit Miller with it. So dirty.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't questionable and it wasn't inadvertent. It wouldn't have been deciding the game, Rondo
would have done that by getting beat and then winding up and clocking Brad Miller in the mouth. Miller didn’t fall on Pierce’s elbow (even though Pierce made sure to stick it out to try to hit him with it), Miller’s face landed in Pierce’s armpit.
Oh and Perkins should have been called for basket interference, he hit the rim with his wrist while the ball was above the rim.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Superior might be a bit much...but
as far as coaches go…ours is far inferior – and in the playoffs that can be the difference between being up 3-2 going home and down 4-2 going HOME home…
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it wasn't inadverted
Rondo admitted he intentionally fouled him. He didn’t mean to make him bleed and such. But he definitely meant to foul him.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inverted/Inadvertent...same thing really right?
Hell why don’t we just say Rondo started up on a 6, when he pulled from the clouds, and then I moved in above him.
Goose (Celtics Fan): No he was man, it was a really great move. He was inverted.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course he intentionally fouled him. If a guy is going for a wide open layup, you intentionally foul him to prevent an and-one. If his hand had grabbed miller’s chest and pulled him down, would it still have been “flagrant”? He reached… his hand caught Miller in the face instead… I don’t see how that play is any more “flagrant” than the play shortly before that when Rondo had to tie up a guy with both hands to prevent another layup. He reacted… it wasn’t something that was motivated to hurt Brad Miller or cause pain. It was a smart play to prevent a layup.
Get over it. You guys have the better team and will obviously win this series in 7.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you clearly havent watched the bulls much this year
there is nothing obvious about us winning any game
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his hand had only got to his chest? Yes.
You must make a play on the ball. The head and the chest, in this instance, were not near the ball. You might have well asked, “If he had tackled him around the ankles, would you have called a flagrant?”
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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the library with a candlestick? You've got it!
If the head is the only thing you have a chance of grabbing perhaps you should just admit he got away and not try to decapitate him. Whacking at the head because it is in reach is still dirty. It prevented a layup. Sure, lots of dirty things would. You still don’t do them though. Salmons could have sucker punched Pierce to prevent one of his important shots. Bet that would have been called a flagrant or worse even though technically that was the only thing Salmons could do to make Pierce miss.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, you don’t need to make a play for the ball. You guys can cling to whatever little rule you want, but I have seen countless players smack a guy’s elbow as he goes up for a layup, grab a guy’s arm…. pull on the back of his jersey… physically tie up a player with both arms as he jumps up… pull a guy’s chest from behind… if we went by your logic, any time a guy has an intentional foul it would be called a “flagrant”, because they never actually go for the ball. In fact, within a certain period of time you’re actually able to just smack Shaq on the chest (when he doesn’t even have the ball) to put him at the line. You guys are wrong. If your players are just as hung up on that play as you guys are… they will get crushed from lack of focus.
My friend hates the Celtics with a passion. He hates the Celtics more than he loves any sports team. He lives to cling to these kind of things… this was right in his wheelhouse… and even he thinks this is a bunch of overhyped media nonsense and Bulls fans should man up and let it go.
Rondo had a split second to react… he obviously needed to intentionally foul Brad Miller, but he couldn’t allow Miller to make a layup. Had his arm smacked Miller’s shooting shoulder, perhaps you wouldn’t still be sore about this. Unfortunately he grazed Miller’s face. Mistakes happen. I’ve seen Paul Pierce get his teeth knocked out on three different incidents. None of these were flagrant fouls. Players break ribs, get teeth knocked out, get their ankles stepped on, get their nuts kicked, get their faces scratched to the point blood drips out… get in inadvertent elbows to the chin…. etc. And these aren’t “flagrants”. Brian Scalabrine had 3 concussions this year and not one of those were the result of a “flagrant”.
You guys watched the game, right? If you honestly think Rondo’s motivation was to cause harm to Miller and hit him in the teeth, you’re delusional. I mean, I don’t want to come across like a prick or get myself banned, but really… if you honestly think Rondo did that intentionally to cause harm… you’re nuts. The NBA agreed after further review. Intentional foul is not the same as Flagrant foul. Inadvertent contact across the face is not the same as intentionally, aggressively trying to excessively hit someone.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 30, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not in
the medical field but “grazing” someone’s face will not cause them to need stitches. I’m sorry for you that you can’t see the difference. The NBA made the wrong call on this situation.
by sue369 on Apr 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s great… did you notice the gash above Marbury’s eye that is currently bandaged up? Was that the result of a flagrant? It’s the NBA… it happens.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the hindsight of the Game 6 toss of Kurt into the scorers table by Rondo
this is obviously bullshit.
If you honestly think Rondo’s motivation was to cause harm to Miller and hit him in the teeth, you’re delusional.
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by Granny Waiters on May 2, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Jesus.
You guys with the elbow thing: pathetic.
If you can’t enjoy your dirty, ill-gotten gains…maybe you all should try not being cheapshot artists?
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I thought this was a badge of pride. Championship Defense and whatnot. I’d be happier if the C’s fans admitted it was a flagrant and laughed in our face about getting away with it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hat tip to the Pistons
Really. I’m with you here. Just rub it in and it would be better than all this nonsensical explaining.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 30, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The elbow commentary is quite interesting
Consider that fact that about the only way Brad Miller’s lip ends up near Paul Pierce’s elbow is due to right arm of Rondo smacking Miller in the face and pulling him down.
I imagine this line of defense works well in domestic violence disputes in Boston.
“Your honor. She stepped in front of my swinging fist. It’s her fault.”
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You celtics are either delusional or idots,
with option C being both. The foul was all Rondo. No more needs to be said.
I haven’t seen any Bulls players rattled at any point in the series. Though, I have seen a couple of Celtics players, namely House and Marbury, who have been too scared to shoot the ball even while wide open.
by dakoose on Apr 29, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to sign up for that stupid Celtics blog so someone sets the retards straight
but I’m afraid I’ll lose all brain cells and become a beer-swilling ingrate.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear you, but you got to
let it go. I don’t appreciate when they come to BaB, and I’m certain they wouldn’t appreciate us going to their cite.
And trust me: they all know it was a flagrant. They’re not stupid folks, just feeling a little guilty. The fact that they have to make up this truly absurd “elbow” business indicates as much.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my brother got banned from their blog
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
by Yibs on Apr 29, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I thought having a die hard Bulls fan as President of this country would help us out in situations like this.
Guess I was wrong
Barack, WHERE ARE YOU?!
by Option27 on Apr 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barack should set up a special commission to figure out the NBA officiating problems
I mean if steroids in the MLB can be looked into, the NBA clearly not following its own rules to reach its own bottom line desired results has to be something they can look into. Especially because I think the major sports leagues get special antitrust exceptions from the rules that most other businesses have to follow. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong).
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Obama
should just tell David Stern he’ll be at the next two games………….
by KT on Apr 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't work out too well
last time.
by dakoose on Apr 29, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking as a Blazer fan
Rondo’s clubbing of Miller was not a basketball play. A fine should be meted there. Good luck in the rest of your series. Stab those evil Celtics in the heart. – Elgin
Tonight felt like the day you open the mail and receive an acceptance letter to your dream school: the University of Playoffs. - Ben Golliver, Apr 15 2009
by 22baylor on Apr 29, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
blazers fans uniting with bulls fans on BaB
pretty good proof that somethings amiss here
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful friend
Rick Adelman has already been fined for complaining about officiating after game 3. He was being baited into it again after game 5.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck against Houston, guy.
I’m pulling for you all.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just put Roberson in and clothesline Pierce
and have Benny the bull hit KG with a bulls flag in the knee
by trig on Apr 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roberson's a bit small
maybe explode the Hindenbull on the Celtics bench?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
clicking that link led to
Keeping Luol Deng (game-high 33 points) and Ben Gordon (24 points, 11 assists) instead of trading for Pau Gasol was the best non-trade GM John Paxson ever made. The people of Chicago will continue to believe this until Deng and Gordon have a bad game and the Bulls’ lack of an inside scorer comes back to haunt them
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by Yibs on Apr 29, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Hindenbull, lol
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start Gray and have him knock Rondo on his ass 30 seconds into the game
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on Apr 29, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, either make contact and disrupt the layup, or concede the game-tieing shot.
What self respecting player doesn’t foul Brad Miller in that situation? I know its been a while since the Bulls played some meaningful basketball, but the No Layup rule is a staple of playoff basketball for a looooong time.
by D Dub on Apr 29, 2009 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Haha, I love this. I guess this is really how you can tell the difference between the typical, band-wagon jumping basketball Boston fans and the ones who have actually followed them. One great season last year for Boston = always-meaningful basketball, all the time. The ‘90s Celtics? I’m pretty sure the ‘90s never happened. Time just jumped from ’86—>’08
by NittanyCub on Apr 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably wasn't born when the Celtics were good last.
Personally I can only remember a few seasons of good Celtics basketball. Like the time when Bird fish hooked a guy’s head to prevent a game changing layup…oh wait. The 1980s WAS the last meaningful basketball for the Celtics.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its all good
I posted a fiery response back.
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 29, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember the crap mike bibby
took for calling them bandwagon fans last year…
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by Yibs on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, but where are all the Celtics fans who wanted to kill themselves
When they couldn’t get Oden/Durant in 2007? Or when Stern fucked them over and gave Duncan to SA? Oh, right, they didn’t exist.
Celtics fans are just as bandwagon-y and idiotic as the Bulls fan post MJ. No one likes you, even Lakers fans are nicer.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleary this was the textbook definition of a Flagrant foul
And for all the people saying this was a basketball play, I’d love to see the reaction nationally and locally if the supposedly “Basketball dumb and stupid” Tyrus Thomas had done this to Paul Pierce to close out a game? He’d be getting roasted by everyone and definately would have gooten suspended.
One more thing, would it had killed Brad Miller with all of his poise, basketball experience, veteraniness, and 7ft, to dunk the basketball? I think if that Tyrus instead, we have a different outcome and this whole subject is moot.
by Dils on Apr 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
Tyrus ain’t so great at finishing after contact either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but I'd rather have him shooting the free throws
by Dils on Apr 29, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't have gone to the basket.
He would have shot a jumper that would have gone in or not gone in. Hopefully after seeing a zillion replays on this Tyrus might add that kind of move to his game. If the lane is open go for it and of course dunk it. It would be great if that was the kind of play that sealed the deal for us in game seven with a dunk.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not getting into the whole "oh i wish this was tyrus or noah" game
as much as i love tyrus, im confident he would have no idea what to do in that situation. noah probably wouldve been our best option, but if they foul him before he gets to the rim, i dont like his chances of making both free throws either
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are short changing Tyrus on this one
You mean to tell me that if Tyrus got that ball with a clear lane to the basket that he wouldn’t of dunked that ball with authority?? As many times as he done that before? I knew the moment Brad Miller got that ball that nothing good would come of that. Hell he’s so slow I’m suprised he was able to get to the basket with the time left in the first place.
by Dils on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt include this in my last comment
but tyrus’ screens are nowhere near as good as noah or miller, so i doubt the situation wouldve been the same where he ended up wide open. but i can see your point; every time tyrus has a lane like that his eyes usually light up.
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgeting the comparative speed
Thomas would have been at the rim before, so he wouldn’t have had to worry about finishing with it.
by JeffD on Apr 29, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well tyrus is alot faster than brad miller, maybe rondo wouldnt have caught him
also tyrus can dunk, way better than an underhanded layup
by Gen on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are implying that he both wouldn't finish the dunk
AND that he wouldn’t have adequate “follow through” after hitting Pierce to get a flagrant? ;-)
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by jpchi on Apr 30, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this means absolutley nothing but...
…my father is a high school basketball official. I know your probably thinking that this is the NBA, not high school but fouls like this are dealt with alike. He dosen’t even have a bias because after the 90s he was done watching the Bulls. He said that after looking at the highlights on Sportscenter, the closed fist of Rondo, and how far off he was from the ball, Rondo should have been ejected , the Bulls should have shot 2 shots, and taken the ball out of bounds. This might make me hate the Celtics and I am a big Larry Bird fan.
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by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 29, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bird was a long time ago.
And he didn’t play the way the Celtics do now. The good news is that the Celtics are aging and in five years they will be a totally different team. Maybe by then they’ll have a few players who don’t take cheap shots and can be likable.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I really think I hate all Boston fans."
I really don’t think all Boston fans deserve your hate.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I personally can't hate any fan
who puts a Henry the Fifth quote in his sig. And I don’t actually hate anybody about something as trivial as sports. But I do dislike people who doctor videos in order to decieve people, and I strongly dislike people who deny what’s clear and distinct when it serves their interests to do so. I’d prefer that, as fans, you just said – well, it was a flagrant, we won the game when we might not have, so nah nay nah. I’d be fine with that: that’s fanhood. But this refusal to admit to what’s obviously true is pretty despicable.
Here’s the thing, Dave – if a fan can’t be honest about trivial things, I highly doubt their ability to be honest about what matters. In short, they’re the kind of person I don’t like very much. You might say they hold their manhoods cheap.
Are all Celtics fans like that? Hell no. But I’d prefer that a few of them would actually sac up (ala BG) and admit it was a flagrant, even if they smirk while doing so.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow that was deep
how the bulls-celtics series and the blog comments it creates from its fans mirrors life, by mpg.
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok,
I went too far. See – I admit when I’m wrong? And I was.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no apologies needed
I’m just doing my part to make the point that not ALL Boston fans deserve to be painted with the same brush
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Apr 30, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we're in total agreement.
(and the word “painted” there was either really lucky or really clever, since we’re getting a little mini-trolling from PaintedinBlack right now.)
So, all honesty: flagrant or not?
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by MPG on Apr 30, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably could have been called a flagrant
but obviously the league reviewed it and upheld the ruling
my most honest answer is this: I don’t understand all the rules and how they are enforced and since I got the result I wanted, I don’t care anymore
I can see how Bulls fans are upset, but it is probably time to move on
thankfully game 6 starts in a few hours
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Apr 30, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can live with that.
Hopefully we get a game 7. The series deserves it.
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by MPG on Apr 30, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes, Dwyane Wade is on the floor.
This guy is on the floor more often than a pig is in shit
by NittanyCub on Apr 29, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I am tired of even looking at Boston
playing Miami two playoffs in a row and living through the Wade drama was still far worse.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fall down 87, get up 88*
*with full acknowledgment that this is the dumbest line ever, because you have to fall down before you can get up and therefore cannot have gotten up once more than you have fallen.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. I started out on my back as baby, there fore, I got up first before I fell down first....
I’m a tool.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is good stuff
rec
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 30, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To anyone going to Game 6
Please Please Please make this poster to show at the game:
“NBA Playoffs: Where hitting a guy in the face and getting away with it happens.”
by kilzo on Apr 29, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At least TNT thinks the call was flagrant!
Including Charles!
by Option27 on Apr 29, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
everyone pretty much does
except the people making the decision…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(and boston fans :P)
i actually had tix to the game and didn’t feel like going to the garden again since i had gone to game 2, so i sold em. i talked to one of the guys i sold the tickets to and he said they didn’t replay it so he didn’t get a good look. but he wasn’t foaming at the mouth like some of these people.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what surprises me
If Barkley, the guy who most hates the Bulls in the entire universe, saw and honestly says that Rondo’s foul was flagrant, how the hell the refs didn’t saw that when they review the play? How?
by bull83 on Apr 29, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Complex web
of incompetency, psychology, and economics.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God
I’m turning into Alec.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yet another sin to lay at the Celtics feet
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love this series...
…it’s bringing out the most deep-seeded hate of every single BaB member. All of the snide and sarcastic comments are hilarious.
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure beats the olden days
when I’d have to call my parents (the only other Bulls fans I know) and bitch to them. Actually, I did call my mom last night and she was all, “you’re starting to repeat yourself now…(sigh)” heh. BaB keeps families together…by keeping them apart.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That may be a summer blog header.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me of when I was home for Christmas last year, and Skiles got fired.
I was trying to talk to my mom about it, and she looks right at me and says “I don’t even know what sport your talking about.”
Which was dumb, by the way, because my whole family knows I’m a basketball freak. Still, I found it rather deflating.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I once tried to punch my brother in the face right after the Pistons beat the Bulls in 2007
When he kept calling Luol Deng garbage. I also yelled at my dad because he lamented the Nocioni trade.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ripped my dad after he talked about how much he missed Noc
then felt guilty about it…then ripped him again when he didn’t see how bad a coach Vinny is…
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 30, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....then I felt guilty again....
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 30, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand in solidarity with Bulls fans
Rondo had no intention of making a play on the ball. The NBA continues to amaze me with their incompetence.
Life is not by chance. Basketball is life.
by blzrfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really want Vinny to walk over and deck KG
shrug his shoulders and say “What? I’m Italian.”
Then as much as he has sucked. he can keep his job.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see the flagrant called on D-Wade tonight?
He was coming from behind to block, I believe it was Joe Johnson, He actually got the ball. But obviously they went crashing out of bounds from their momentum.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 30, 2009 12:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
talk about double standards
I guess it’s just with the Bulls, too, since against the Bulls Wade had 0 fouls.
What’s up with all these 0 foul games against us?
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 30, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That play
was Ariza/Fernandez – Part II
The only difference is Johnson landed a bit better
by torch on Apr 30, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree.
It looked as if Wade was making a play on the ball. Ariza flat out just wanted to hurt Rudy.
And Wade does the from behind block all the time, I’m sure he thought that he may have gotten to it.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 30, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not about the refs
The refs suck and suck horrible this is still on the team to do a better job. Vinny made a lot of mistakes in blowing a big lead late, that should be our concern and topic of discussion. With all due respect to everybody lets move from the refs focus on our lack of coaching and overall team management.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 30, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
I mean, we can’t do anything about the reffing either, but at least that has a slim possibility of being fixed
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 30, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were many horrible calls but the loss lays squarely on our flagrantly foul coach failing to recognize Rose was getting destroyed defensively,.
and allowed him to exploited throughout the 4th quarter and overtime.
Miller was gassed, missing his last 3 shots from short range before he clanked the free throw and being a complete non factor defensively against their bigs until he was finally replaced with Hinrich, thus leaving the Bulls to be trampled under the boards and playing with a huge height disadvantage which played into their collapse while trying to preserve a lead.
It was an act of sheer stupidity keeping Kirk on the bench for the first 7 minutes of the 4th quarter after he was having an outstanding game which the Celtics readily acknowledged.
Once again dumping on Tyrus for failing to cover Davis on a runout, thus banning the winner of the game one OT to the back of the bench for the final 18 minutes, although his overall game was solid.
Failing to double the Celts go to all star 2007 playoffs MVP, especially after Ray Allen had fouled out leaving non-factors, Tony Allen and Starbury as their non productive guards while allowing Rondo to run roughshod over Rose who seemed to be hopelessly lost defensively time and again, while Gordon was contributing no help defense even though Tony Allen was not even an option.
Going small while Perkins and Davis were having their way on the boards with Noah battling alone most of the time.
The king of useless timeouts failing to use them to stop the Celtics runs as Doug Collins watched this ineptitude in amazement along with every knowledgable Bulls fan in the universe.
Apparently not noticing that Rose and Gordon’s lack of defense down the stretch led to runout after runout, with no shotblocker back to defend and slow them down, because he was too busy focusing on the best way to punish Tyrus for his defensive lapse while completely ignoring his many contributions in protecting the paint and altering shots along with scoring and rebounding during his 26 minute stint.
Our anti-coach never seems to learn from his multitude of mistakes because he continues to repeat them and unfortunately expands his repertoire of stupidity at the most crucial times during close games. He is becoming a bad joke, but nobody is laughing other than the braying hyena KG at the gifts he just keeps giving Beantowns fading champions who if we had even a average basketball mind at the top would by now be nothing more than a bunch of loudmouth losers, left only with fading memories of last years glory days, just like the old Miami Heat after being swept by the Bulls. Oh Scott Skiles, why did you have to be such a jerk, because you sure knew how to coach and we could really use you now.
That non call on the flagrant (along with many other stinkeroos) wouldn’t have mattered if we had a real coach who knew hot to keep a lead and make adjustments on the fly instead of someone who reminds me of the old classic song…….“I am the great pretender”
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 30, 2009 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points
The common thread in the Bulls losses in this series is the over use of Brad Miller and the misuse of Tyrus Thomas. Sadly I could see this coming a mile away. Even in the last few games of the regular season when Miller was playing better, you could see teams exploit the Bulls in the paint in the closing minutes of games.
Unfortunately, so many people here locally in the media have such a distain for Tyrus that none of them have the balls to exploit this issue. Even Bill Simmons said that after game 2 one of the reasons the Celtics won was because Tyru wasn’t on the court in the closing minutes. I think it’s the MAJOR reason we are down 3-2 in this series and it’s the biggest example of why Vinnie needs to go. Nationally, the opinion of Tyrus is different. People like Kevin Harlan and Doug Collins like his improvement and the fact that he has added a jumper to his game. Here in this town, people act like the guy should be shot everytime he pulls up for one.
Tyrus is the X factor. Leave it to Vinnie to screw that up.
by Dils on Apr 30, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk was getting stitched
up for the first part of the 4th and we did have an 11 point lead when Kirk came back to the bench. Vinny should have put Kirk back in as soon as the lead started to disappear.
by sue369 on Apr 30, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
knew "how" not hot to keep a lead.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 30, 2009 3:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Gotta love the one comment.
That comment is stupid, but true at the same time. they will be looking for any retalitory behavior towards rondo. and the series has been chippy. not just the celtics. not just the bulls. people should wake up
by PaintItBlack on Apr 30, 2009 6:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because I like your sig,
I’m going to try to explain this simply and calmly. It may not be worth it, but here it goes.
The NBA could not suspend Rondo, but it could suspend Howard. The reason is that, if the NBA suspended Rondo, it would admit that it ignored an obvious flagrant call, essentially giving the Celtics a greater chance to win a pivotal game than the Bulls. The Bulls would have been in their rights to protest the game. There’s actually precedent for that sort of thing, albeit not in the playoffs. Moreover, there’s something that’s very, very fishy about not calling that flagrant after they had considerable time to look it over. (Because, you know, Miller was bleeding so much.)
The same doesn’t apply to the Orlando game. The 76ers could not have protested, because they couldn’t have made a credible argument that they lost because the flagrant foul wasn’t called. By suspending Dwight the NBA loses nothing here – it just does the right thing. No controversy, no hint that, at times, the NBA’s level of fairness looks a little jaundiced.
You see the difference. You should also know that I don’t believe a flagrant is necessarily suspension worthy, and I didn’t really want to see Rondo suspended. What I wanted was a fair shake when it mattered most. Instead, I watch my team get cheated and another close-up of KG’s chin.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 30, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to move on.
Yes, it was a flagrant foul. Yes, the NBA is trying to cover itself. Nothing we can do about it now. Truthfully, I think most people would agree that the refs should avoid calling the ticky tack stuff at the end of games…but, flagrant fouls should always be flagrant fouls. Not sure why that is so difficult.
Honestly, I wish the Bulls would have put Rondo on his ass like that at least once by now. Dude has been flying to hoop all series and hasn’t been fouled hard one time.
Anyways, think of it this way…if the Bulls come back to win the next two games and the series, it will be even sweeter now. I just hope the players are focusing more on game 6 than they are on the non-flagrant…if not, Boston just might sneak out of the UC with the series win.
by BLEIGH82 on Apr 30, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No point complaining about the refs anymore
…let’s be honest, we should have benefited from Allen being called for some ticky-tack fouls. The fact is that we lose the game, I think b’cos we seem to have lost our identity as a fast-break transition team (like we were in Game 1) and seem to be playing too much in the half-court. With a center like Noah we need to be pushing the ball all the time, relentlessly.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 30, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you hate all Celtics fans because of one immature douche?
You need to calm yourself down, blogger.
by AlexC on Apr 30, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You do realize no one will give a shit after tonight, or Game 7
It’s a playoff series, fans get heated up. Complaining about what people say on the internet is the biggest waste of time. It’s more fun to just mock everyone.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be the nitpicky editor...
Game Four (2 overtimes): 39 minutes, sat final 4:30 outside of a couple defensive posSessions, and sat both overtimes.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 30, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the front page quote
sweet!
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