Van Gundy, Abbott call it a Flagrant
[From the FanShots. This is an embarrassing admission by Van Gundy, saying that flagrants should be called differently in close and late games. He's off my coach search list. Or maybe not, since that strategy works for the C's. -ed.]
Van Gundy can be heard via on link on the espn homepage. JVG think it should have been called in the first 3 quarters, but not the 4th. Regardless, he agrees it fits the definition of a flagrant
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i hate the
“it shouldn’t be called at the end of the game” bullshit.
it is what it is. if it would have been a flagrant in the first minute of the game, it’s still a flagrant in the last minute of the game.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate that shit as well. Players shouldnt be allowed to just take down players to prevent 2 points.
Rondo was affecting the game by hitting him in the mouth, so why cant a ref affect the game by calling a flagrant?
by Gen on Apr 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VDN should sub in Aaron Gray at the beginning of the 4th next game...
And then punch Rondo straight in the mouth the first time he drives to the hole.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 29, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather see gray punch perkins
we can sacrifice someone else for rondo. ;)
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by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just when it's called,
it’s who it’s called on, and who was hit. All these exceptions: it’s the NBA’s little way of manufacturing drama. AkA, revenue.
I’m 100% with you. Imagine this in a court of law: “Your honor, my client knows assault is a crime. But he assaulted him at a very important moment!”
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
recced
great analogy :)
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by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OJ Simpson.
Don’t have to imagine it. Superstars and celebrities get treated differently. It’s like Chris Rock said, if OJ hadn’t won the Heisman, he’s be Orenzo the Bus Driving Murderer.
by arjoseph on Apr 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to ESPN radio right now....
Ric Bucher saying Rondo is being watched now for not only the hit but the push on Rose. Game 6 should be to the Bulls favor. You’d think. They maybe getting some calls in Chicago.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 29, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What hit on Rose?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 29, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he SE7 means: "Not only the hit on Miller but the push on Rose as well."
Maybe referring to the left-handed full-court layup???
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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was Marbury
I think he means the one play where he fell down and pushed the ball out of bounds. Not really sure though
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by tyrus4prez on Apr 29, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched that play
I wasn’t sure if it was a push. At least not with rondo’s left arm. It was close. The outside official had the best angle and called nothing.
The play where Rose caught the Gordon passed that was tipped and laid it in, Glen Davis came across the lane and creamed Rose with his body. Rose isn’t Dwayne Wade in the acting department, but a little drama would have sold this easy foul call.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rondo tripped him
at the foot and hand check “push”.
do we really think rose whines for phantom calls? it’s depressing to think he will one day need to learn this “skill”, working the refs.
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by marionette on Apr 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess that play
Seemed kinda obvious to me that Rondo kept his hand close to his body and nudged Rose with it. Actually, a little more than a nudge…. but did a good job of concealing the hand between their two bodies. Rose tipped over and ball rolled out of bounds.
Usually in this case the ref will blow the whistle and call it for the Bulls to inbound the ball (and ignore the foul)… but in this case it was waaay to obvious that the ball came off of Rose — so the ref couldn’t award the Bulls the ball.
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by BCs71 on Apr 30, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly,
it’s not just the Miller play. It’s Rondo pushing Rose on drives – low, but obviously. It’s Pierce slapping his hand on a fast break – blatant foul, it’s on the front page of SI right now for everybody to see – to no call.
They’re going to be “watching them,” are they? Doesn’t matter. Don’t care, NBA. You gave the Celtics game 5, just like you gave Lebron a third pivot foot, and gave the Celtics the ability to foul the heck out of Kobe and “win” their championship. What a great story! The three mu$keteer$ finally get their ring!
Want to make it up to us, NBA? Want me to buy your jersey? Here:
Do your job when it matters.
You jerks.
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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, with the hindsight of having seen Game 6, Bucher was wrong. :(
Ric Bucher saying Rondo is being watched now for not only the hit but the push on Rose.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on May 2, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger called it an obvious flagrant
though pointing out that the bad call is not the only thing that cost the Bulls the game and that calling it correctly would not have guaranteed a Bulls win.
And everybody’s favorite (or one of ‘em anyway) idiot, Skip Bayless, and guest (I believe Jalen Rose this morning) also said a definite flagrant on 1st and 10 this morning. (You’d be amazed at what you’ll watch to avoid working on a dissertation!)
And BS himself goes to all sorts of lengths to avoid calling it a flagrant:
He had no chance of blocking the shot, and he had to hit Miller as hard as he could to prevent the and-one, so screw it … SMACK! (He even admitted this after the game.) Since the motion technically looked like Rondo was swiping at the ball — even though his hand wasn’t within two feet of it — the officials couldn’t call a flagrant and that was that.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
of course it wasn't the only thing that cost the bulls the game
in a close game like that, it’s never one thing.
but it would have given the bulls the appropriate chance they deserved after that play.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I totally agree
Much like the Cardinals in the SuperBowl – you just don’t want to see that chance taken away from them.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe calling ts a flagrant doesn't guarantee a win...
But NOT calling it a flagrant basically guaranteed a loss.
No way should Miller be forced to shoot two free throws seconds after getting his teeth knocked out (or whatever the hell that was in mouth).
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by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 29, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hollinger had a great line about the series
“Through four games and 52 minutes, 58 seconds of a fifth, all anyone could talk about was how entertaining the Celtics-Bulls series was and the theatrical battles between Gordon and Allen, or between Rose and Rondo, or between Del Negro and logic.”
Del Negro is taking a beating from people who have finally started to pay attention to his coaching in the post season. I wonder what, if any, effect it will have on his job prospects with the bulls.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That Said ...
The play drawn up to Miller was pretty sweet.
by buechlers revenge on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he does call it a flagrant
Q: Should Rajon Rondo be suspending for Game 6 for raking Miller across the face?
A: Yes. Because he admitted afterward that it was kinda, sorta intentional. But here’s why the league WON’T suspend him: The NBA would be admitting the officials blew that call. So, they’ll fine Rondo and admonish him in a statement, and that will be that. Gotta keep the illusion going that NBA referees don’t suck!
by Moses Taylor on Apr 29, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so bad
The league can’t even defend its own officials.
Does it seem like everyone has to defend the the impossible: NBA officiating, Insolvent Banks, and Miss USA contestants that have breast augmentations paid for by the Miss California hosts.
I can live with fake boobs, but not fake bank capital and erratic officiating.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love how simmons went out of his way to say it shouldnt have been called
and then later says rondo should be suspended for it. so according to him and van gundy, the last few minutes of a game you can do everything but bring a mace onto the court and smack someone upside the head with it.
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found that funny, too.
My opinions are the exact opposite: (a) it should definitely have been called a flagrant, especially at the end of the game; and (b) it’s not the type of foul for which Rondo should be suspended (unlike Howard’s elbow trick). If the league wants to suspend Rondo, yay for the Bulls I guess, but it’s going to set a weird precedent. Rondo wasn’t malicious, he was trying to make a smart basketball play and just ended up making a dumb and dangerous one. Howard, on the other hand, wasn’t making a basketball play AND was making a dangerous move.
Whatever.
by arjoseph on Apr 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was retarded.
“You can’t let fouls decide the outcome of a game!!”
But … ummmmm … they do! Even when they’re not called! THAT DECIDES GAMES!
Egads, it’s a logic vortex!
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by Prevenge on Apr 30, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip
actually isn’t that bad. Sometimes hes horrible like his criticisms of Rose are basically bred from his Lebron hate.
But when it comes to outside the lines hes pretty good. I was surprised to hear him give Gordon credit though that threw me off.
by Camry on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually mind him less in written form
Something about the way he presents his arguments really bugs me, to the point that I’m inclined to disagree with him on principle even if he’s using an argument I’ve used in the past.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes actually seemed to get more animated
I think I remember him on cold pizza. But then he was debating agianst who was it…Woody somebody forget his name.
Anyway I think sometimes its based off his own agenda when he is way off. Because there are cases where he is more objective most of the time than anyone else…at least on ESPN.
by Camry on Apr 29, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a joke
An argument can be made (although not a good one IMO) that ticky-tack fouls shouldn’t be called at the end of a game, but flagrants are the exact kind of fouls that absolutely should be called at all times.
by JeffD on Apr 29, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Definitely...
Refs don’t want to call ticky tack fouls I think because they don’t wan’t to decide the game (ie: fouls that really didn’t really alter the outcome of a play). Not calling a flagrant though is inexcusible, and basically a free pass to the team that commits it.
At the end of the day though it’s fine. The Bulls are not a very physically intimidating/bruising team, and maybe that’s a need they can address in the offseason. There were moments when Perkins was making Noah and TT his bitch that game, and there is no reason on Earth that Davis should be scoring as much as he does.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 29, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What really stings is that the NBA is reviewing the call
And could still call it a flagrant on Rondo. But it wouldn’t affect the outcome of the game.
Well if they replayed that Heat-Hawks game with 51 seconds to go, why can’t they replay the last 3 seconds of this past game?
In all reality, the stakes are much higher in this case than that other game.
I’m still fuming.
Fuck, the more I watch these shows and see these sites constantly reminding me of how we got screwed, the harder it is to get over it.
by Option27 on Apr 29, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They won't assess a flagrant
They’ll likely fine Rondo, and call some ticky-tack stuff on him in Game 6.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
it wouldnt surprise me if they upgraded it to a flagrant one
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a source for this?
Miller shot, and missed, while blinking again and again, apparently impaired by the fumes of the compound used to close the wounds in his mouth.
What kind of compound would you use to close a wound inside your mouth? Don’t they use Vaseline in Boxing?
I was wondering if Tedeschi was using some chemicals, but knowing Miller had to go shoot free throws I figured they would avoid it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now they say that Doc would have chosen who to shot if Miller couldn't
he would only have the option from the players who were on the court, right? I’m thinking that it might have been better to let one of the others shot that free throw considering what Miller had just gone through and especially if fumes were affecting him.
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by J Theory on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the rub
Doug Collins said that because it was just a personal foul, if Miller could not come in to shoot the free throws then Doc Rivers could choose anyone on the Bulls roster.
If it was called a flagrant and Miller could not return then…
If it had been called a flagrant, Vinny Del Negro could have specified the shooter of his choice (in the playoffs, Ben Gordon, John Salmons, Derrick Rose and Tyrus Thomas are all over 80%), and the Bulls would have had the ball after the shots.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea that was from truehoop right?
i looked it up in the rulebook earlier, and that’s only the case on flagrant 2’s. flagrant 1’s doc still chooses
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
they changed the rule in 2006 so that your own coach chooses on a flagrant 1
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of the articles
quotes the rules and just says “disorderly conduct” or something like that… meaning any sort of flagrant.
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by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt see that
but here’s the link describing the change:
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here we go, found it
couldn’t remember which article of the numerous i’ve read today it was, but it was here in the trib:
(2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt the awarded free throw(s) due to any unsportsmanlike act, his coach may designate any eligible member of the squad to attempt the free throw(s). The injured player will be permitted to re-enter the game.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
vaseline would stick to anything inside your mouth. In boxing they use on the outside of the body.
by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Miller says his tooth when hit into his mouth which caused the bleeding. You need stitches to close this. Vaseline won’t do. The rules say they the staff has to stop the bleeding so it cannot affect other players.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i used to know this
heard but forgot. could be silver nitrate or “quikclot”? whatever it is, the fumes are real bad. remember the nash nose cut last year? although the trainer certainly didn’t get any in his eye, nash was seen washing his eyes out more than once before returning, just because it was applied to the nose, and that’s so close.
i’d research it, but even thinking about it any more makes me light headed, LOL!
no doubt they used it, because of miller’s reaction. it’s more than simple, basic pain on his face there.
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by marionette on Apr 29, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
::two years ago::
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Dwight Howard gets suspended,
but Rondo doesn’t?
(Tyrus4Prez just posted the news).
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
elbows are judged more harshly, i think
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt want to be stu jackson
making the decision on the rondo call. im guessing he wont get suspended, but there’s convincing arguments that he should and shouldnt. either way it’s gonna look bad for the league and he’s really in a no win situation
by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have upgraded it to a flagrant 1 for a couple of reasons
1. It was a flagrant foul
2. It sets a bad precedent to officially review the foul and determine it isn’t a flagrant.
3. Practically speaking, the upgrade wouldn’t have mattered a hill of beans – it doesn’t change the outcome of game 5, it doesn’t impact game 6 any more than all the publicity already has, and it only affects Rondo if he racks up another 3 (I believe it’s 4 total?) flagrant points. And if the Cs are in the playoffs long enough for Rondo to have another 3 of those, he deserves the suspension.
I don’t want the Bulls to intentionally retaliate, but I’m hoping Rondo gets watched like a hawk and called for every little even close to a foul thing he does tomorrow.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abbott roasting VDN as well:
Chicago, meanwhile, has a rookie coach who would contend in any NBA “least likely to diagram a killer game-winning play” contest. (When the Bulls had been needing big buckets in this series, mostly they had come from Ben Gordon or Derrick Rose creating on the fly.)
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
nba speaks
foul stands as it is…rondo plays
by celticinorlando on Apr 29, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fuckin bullshit.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Rondo won't stand
in the last five seconds of the next game. Nearest Bull can deck him. Can’t call it flagrant because it is so late in the game. Don’t worry about going for the ball. That doesn’t mean anything either.
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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That rule only applies to the celtics.
Can’t call it flagrant because it is so late in the game.
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by Granny Waiters on May 2, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he plays.
If they upgrade it to a flagrant, they admit they were wrong. Admitting that they essentially gave you game five. And the series.
Why admit to an unfixable mistake?
This is soooooo much neater. Brush it under the rug. Get everybody to start thinking about Celtics/Cavs and the heroic return of KG.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except everyone was already covering it already, and it was obviously a flagrant.
It just makes it more disgusting.
ESPECIALLY during a series as good as this one. :(
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by Prevenge on Apr 30, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy
I live in New York and know a lot about Jeff Van Gundy. This guy is a fake . No credibility. Liar and a phony. Ignore him.
by SlamDunk on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well the NBA says it wasn’t a flagrant. Maybe it was, though. I’m not sure how the Bulls let themselves get in that position anyways. They were up 11 in the 4th… then they were up 3 with Ray Allen fouled out. They had the game and the series wrapped up.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Maybe"?
Watch the tape. And one of the multiple reasons they got in that position is because the Celtics can foul the shit out of Derrick Martell Rose with impunity, whereas Rajon Rondo apparently had body guards chasing him around in pinstripes.
“The Bulls put themselves into that position anyways.” That argument, cum Hollinger, is just so weak. You know what else the Bulls did? Put themselves in the position to win. But more to the point, the Celtics did just as many things to do lose the game. The only difference was the league handed them the game, and series, with a bow on top. Though probably they should have topped it with a receipt. This isn’t a gift, after all – it’s an exchange.
It’s intellectually facile, myopic crap to say “the Bulls should’ve won anyway.” Take it elsewhere. Like ESPN.com: apparently that weak shit is all the rage come from “top analysts” like John Hollinger.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah man that’s a bummer. It’s a good thing the refs are helping the Celtics… Without KG the Bulls should have had this series in 4 games.
But don’t worry about it… Bulls will win in 7 anyways. They are far better than the Celtics.
by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I recognize that the Celtics are slightly better than us without KG. Two hall of famers and an all-star (I count Rondo) has us beat. No shame in that.
The Bulls losing isn’t what I’m angry about: the better team should win. It’s all this other stuff – posing, entitlement, “selling” calls. Whining in the papers, flopping on the court, and being rewarded. And now the NBA is lying to us, directly to our faces, telling us it wasn’t a flagrant 1. Well, it was. No doubt. None. The NBA simply doesn’t want to deal with the fallout of that mess, so they would prefer to lie, adding insult to (literal) injury.
So now it sucks. Because the Bulls will get mega calls next game. It’s in Chicago, and we just got screwed. And then the Celtics will complain, as is their wont, and the calls will seesaw back to you guys. And then we’ve just witnessed brilliant performances devolve into a contest to see who can better prey on officials. (You guys win – KG’s chin, remember.)
That’s the issue, LB. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s a combination of laziness, ineptitude, and officials taking short cuts (Pierce would’ve never fouled that guy…Lebron never would traveled…) in the way they call games. Calling the player, and not the play, is the NBA official’s numero uno heuristic, and it falls apart just as readily. And yes, it’s suspicious that these borderline calls consistently fall in a manner pleasing to the NBA’s bottom line. Though, if you don’t know to follow the money by now…let’s just say I envy the world you live in.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good Lord.
I don’t think I’ve posted so much in months. I do feel better, however. :)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel worse. I just get angrier and angrier the more I think about it. Especially since it's looking
like there’s a real possibility that the frickin’ Sixers could be in the next round and the Heat and Hawks look pretty underwhelming – makes me think that if the Bulls can win this series they have a real shot to make it to the Eastern Conference finals (ridiculous, but oddly believable), but because of Rondo getting away with this bullshit and the C’s getting away with murder all game last night (Perkins, in particular – 0 fouls in 48 minutes? Are you shittin’ me?)
The Bulls should be up 3 games to 2 going home to close out the series. What a bummer.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Perkins thing
hasn’t been getting a lot of play cause of Rondo, but does a guy who fouls out in 3.5 quarters in game 4 really not commit 1 the entire game 5? really? really?
by The90sBullsRevival on Apr 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially because I counted him hacking DRose two times in
one play. Rose was underneath the hoop and got the rebound and Perkins fouled him over the back on the rebound by slapping at his arm, then Rose went up with the shot and Perkins hit him in exactly the same way – no call. Rose of course missed because he got slapped on the forearm – hard – and it lead to a Celtics run-out.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hacking players is only a foul if you wear a non-green uniform
It should be St. Patrick’s day, every day.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 30, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please post more.
You’ve been hitting it out of the park.
by arjoseph on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks AR.
Guess BaB really helps with the whole “venting of sports anger” thing. I needed it.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy was a REAL coach
I would kill for Paxdorf traveling back in time and magically hiring him instead of VDN.
If Van Gundy had been coaching this team for a whole year, this series would be over by now.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No thanks, I want to see Rose push the ball up the court, not walk it up so JVG can call a play.
"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer
by Granny Waiters on May 2, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Definitely a flagrant. But ...
The refs have been pretty consistently bad in this series. For both teams. Fouls 5 & 6 on Ray Allen were a joke. Noah has been taking a beating. Rose continues to get NO calls in the lane (although the play discussed above where he tossed ball outside looked pretty clearly NOT a foul).
Honestly, I think it evens out. Even if that Rondo foul was bullshit. Bulls lost yesterday for a lot of reasons, the refs being just one of many.
by buechlers revenge on Apr 29, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least
nobody left the bench during an “altercation”….
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by marionette on Apr 29, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
the sight of Vinny holding on to Kendrick Perkins legs getting dragged around the court…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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