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Retaliation (and why I don't want to see it)

I hope the Bulls are as pissed as I am right now.  But we're likely angry for different reasons, and the last thing I want to see is the Bulls committing a flagrant foul on a Celtics player out of some made-for-TV lust for revenge. 

The reason I'm so pissed right now isn't just that the Bulls lost last night.  (Though it sure doesn't help.)  It's that the series has epitomized both what is so inspiring and disheartening about NBA hoops.  The basketball has been incredible - truly inspired efforts by players like Rondo and, at times, Rose and Gordon.  But the buffoonery has been equally pathetic.  Perkins has never, to date, committed a foul that didn't require immediate theatrics.  Allen, who fouls like a narcoleptic twitches, can't believe that he apparently has to abide by the same rules as other players.  BG feels that, after a display of great balls, he has to grab his.  And lording over all this theatrical nonsense is Garnett himself, sticking his chin out like Tony Montoya, fearful either that the Celtcs will lose or, more likely, that he won't be in the spotlight when they win.  I've never seen a more shameful display of egoism.  From the faux-drama of "will he sit on the bench?" to the slightly more dramatic question of "when will he dislocate his jaw?", we've been treated to a marvelous display of TnT camera work, making certain we get every last sneer and mug for the camera.  And don't be naive: they are most certainly for the cameras.

The worst part is, the NBA has fostered this bufoonery, allowing Lord Kevin the leeway to bark like a dog, lech on female reporters, and cross the line to the point that NBA GMs wondered when the league would reign him in.  Well they didn't, and no wonder: this shit actually sells. 

It's not just the entire Boston Celtics' quest to mimic a man mimicing a WWF wrestler that's irritating.  It's the disparity in the calls.  I'll preface this by saying that bad calls are bound to happen, and that we've been the beneficiary of some.  (For instance that double foul with Ray and Miller: play on, folks.)  The issue here is that the NBA has steadily allowed fakery - AKA "accentuating contact" - to be an actual basketball skill.  Rondo goes the line far, far more than he should, simply because any time he initiates contact he goes to the floor like he's been shot in the chest.  D. Rose bulls through the lane, doesn't say boo, and gets creamed: no call.  Why?  He's not "accentuating the contact."   Apparently the Chicago Public League needs to start teaching that the best players are actually - little known fact - thespians.  (Where I grew up we called them pussies.) 

(Likewise, with the drawing of charges: does this play exist solely to keep slow, vertically-challenged, and mostly caucasian players in the league?   When Scalabrine slides under an airborne Rose, and he's still moving, it's a foul.  Each time.  Just like when Nocioni did it.)

So let's move to the subject on everybody's mind, the play that absolutely captures what I've loved and hated about this series. Miller cruising in for an open layup in a tight OT game, Rondo jacks him in the face.  Let's be conservative and say Brad's arm is three feet long, so unless Rondo briefly developed severe diplopia, he jacked him on purpose.  The game has to be delayed while Miller staunches a good amount of blood flow, allowing ample time for the refs to view what Henry Abbott, noted Bull-hater Charles Barkley, and any rational (ie non-Celtic) fan would recognize as a flagrant 1.  By rule: two shots and the ball.

Except that rules don't matter here.

On one side of this equation is the Bulls: a pretty quiet team who probably aren't going to win anything this year.  On the other side is the Boston Celtics, a team that's lobbied in the papers (Perkins, who noted the refs didn't "like" them, wasn't called for a single foul yesterday) and had the Boston Globe lobby on their behalf, suggesting a Chicago-connection with the refs of game 4.  (For an even more inflammatory piece, perhaps they could examine the Chicago connection to Doc Rivers?)  Needless to say, this Celtics team that "sold" every bit of contact and worked the refs with "veteran saavy" make for a far, far more compelling rematch with the Cavs than any other team.  Rematch, revenge, theatrics.  Remember: this shit actually sells. 

The call didn't go to the Celtics because the refs wanted the Celtics to win.  It went there because the refs wanted to give the Celtics every chance to win.  It went to te Celtics because the refs couldn't let a bad break (Miller's nasion, actually) go against the defending champs.  The reasoning was probably akin to "players should decide the game".  Which is really great reasoning, excepting the fact that Rajon Rondo jacked Brad Miller in the face.

Like I said, rules didn't matter.  Not at a pivotal moment like that.  But if a rule doesn't apply in the essential moment, why have it?

Now we get game 5.  The Bulls are rightfully pissed.  They've taken all the nasty hits in the series while the Celtics have done all the limping and crying.  We'll probably see Tyrus Thomas, with his enigmatic cauldron of rage, elbow somebody (my money's on Perk), preciptating some lame pseudo-scrum that will end with Scalabrine and Linton Johnson ejections.  Then the obligatory primetime Bulls-Celtics bloodfeud on next year's Christmas Day: buy your tickets now.

I hope they don't retaliate.  I hope when the Bulls lose to this collection of faking, preening, entitled jackasses, they do so playing actual basketball.  That might not cut it in today's NBA, but it can be the stuff of classics.

And speaking of classics: everybody keeps saying this series lives up to that billing.  It doesn't.  But it could have. 

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Good read, thanks for posting this

I enjoyed the read and agree with much of it.
My initial “angry” thoughts this morning revolved around some Bulls whoopdown on Rondo EVERY time he drives the lane in game six. Every damn time lay his ass out. That would be justice.

But I agree, I’d rather see the Bulls have class. Play with a chip on your shoulder, not with cheap tricks. Paxson supposedly only wants class-acts on his team, and I gues the moment of truth is upon us.

And the comment about December Christmas matchup of Bulls and Celtics, I bet you are spot on.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on Apr 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd still...

knock him on his ass, his first trip in the paint.

48 minutes of intensity...RIP NVL.

by Lt.Dan on Apr 30, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like the post above said, good piece.

However, I see no reason why the Bulls can’t both play a cool game and retaliate. Give Rondo some hard fouls, beat up Pekins with some cheap elbows and send Davis to the ground here and there. The Celtics are gonna get the calls anyway, at least make them earn the calls.

by dakoose on Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with this “strategy” is that it completely takes our young guys out of the game. It seemed like game 3 was a perfect example of what will happen when they too hyped up with emotion (game 3 being the first home game coming back from the split). If they go crazy and look to jack people up from the beginning, they’re going to get blown out. Resorting to that doesn’t make someone tough. Toughness is sacking up, playing through whatever frustration comes your way, and winning the next game to force 7 in the gahden.

by ThisIsJustBanter on Apr 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good post

As much as I would like to see Aaron Gray flatten Rondo it’s better to beat them on the court rather than the theatrical stage. I’m so tired of seeing the Celtics complain after every call; even when they get their call. Paul Pierce is playing the official instead of playing the defender.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Apr 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really enjoyed this piece.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how VDN has his team react to this. Will he send out a Roberson to put one good hit on Rondo only to get ejected from the game? Will the Bulls play with class and play with that “chip” on their shoulder, putting this behind them? Unfortunately, I think the media and the NBA are looking for and expecting the Bulls to do something This team is not a bunch of theatrical goons that we have seen on other teams. Set a new standard. While I have a lot of questions about some of our in game decisions, this team is playing further into this season than any of us ever imagined and has created more interest in this team than we have seen in a while.

I agree. Don’t stoop to the level of the Celtics.

by TrueCubbie on Apr 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's definitely gonna be telling-

which way do the Bulls (and Vinny) go? Do they goon up? Or – shudder – do players like Rose start “selling” the contact (god I love that term – so frakking perfect for this league!), “working” the refs, and become despicable winners?

And you’re completely right – the media and the league is expecting the Bulls to retaliate. Or, in my opinion anyway, hoping.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

frakking...another BSG fan on B-a-B?

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a venn-diagram of nerddom.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha, nice. I love Battlestar. I am a nerd - the weird thing is, I didn't follow the series

at all, and then this March during my spring break from law school, at the recommendation of my girlfriend’s brother and mother, my girlfriend and I plowed through the entire series and got completely caught up. I really enjoyed it.

I’ve gotten nerdier and nerdier as I’ve gotten older. Going into college I had never even seen Star Wars or Harry Potter or any of those types of films, but now I’ve seen them all multiple times.

Okay, so now you all know way too much about me.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my girlfriend and I plowed

Yeah, too much info.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on Apr 29, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha ha, very funny.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good man!

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Matt will enjoy this because it's not Bulls-related, but I'll ask anyway.

Who was your favorite character on the show? Mine was Gaius Baltar. I always tend to like the controversial characters on television shows and movies. Even the villains oftentimes are my favorites (Ledger’s Joker, Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort, etc.) Gaius wasn’t an explicitly “bad guy” but he was definitely morally gray, which made him really interesting and compelling to me.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I loved Tigh.

If for nothing because he had the craziest British Columbia accent. He sounded like my father in law. Seriously: dude had me in stiches.

But it was exactly that morally gray business and the blurring of lines between AI and organic intelligence that made the show compelling. Just a tremendous conceit. Where they got into trouble was whenever they tried for romantic depth. Those writers…with those actors…trying for depth…

::shivers::

Anyway, I’m pretty sure we’re on the wrong board for this, and a (justifiable) warning is forthcoming. So let’s just leave it at: whenever I type “frak!” on a board, we’ll know where we stand. :)

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that it's necessarily Luddism to be skeptical and even concerned

about the rapid progress of technology towards the creation of sentient, self-aware machines. I’m not sure how close we are to that, but I read an article somewhere (can’t remember right now where) talking about scientists working on planes that were afraid to crash. That just makes me feel uncomfortable, there just seems something morally wrong with that.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I think is morally wrong? Starving. :)

Skeptical and concerned is one thing. Destroying all your technology and returning to a hunter-gatherer / subsistence-agriculture existence is quite another.

Even with a (trial and error) educated population that knew how to hunt, gather, and farm, the historic condition of humanity was one of frequent or near starvation over the course of an average lifespan about 35 years. That persisted for hundreds of thousands of years.

For the average “modern” man, who knows little to nothing of such things, life would be, in Hobbes’ terms, “nasty, brutish, and short”. Ironically, the first few seasons of BSG portray this wonderfully.

And yet, in the “BSG world”, the 30k survivors who fought tooth and nail to preserve their lives and society suddenly get to Earth and decide to give it up and basically commit mass suicide.

Basically, it morally offends me as an economist :)

by Sports2 on Apr 30, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the sending of their ships into the sun was a bit confusing.

I had a bigger problem with that than I did the ultimate scene (150,000 years later) where they seemed to be calling upon modern humanity to stop building our own versions of Cylons. The ships and useful technology being sent away made a lot less sense, but I guess the idea was that they would inevitably destroy themselves with their technology again, which of course was the moral even 150,000 years later, it just took longer to get there.

I can see how that would be offensive to an economist or most people who can think. I do wonder though sometimes at what point the technology we have ceases to be useful to us in a real sense of increasing productivity and welfare in the world and just makes people obsolete in terms of being part of the means of production. At some point don’t you run out of things for people to work on? Then what are people supposed to do with all their time on earth? It just is something I’ve often wondered about. I don’t think we’re nearly close to being there (in terms of making people obsolete as part of the productive process), but I’m not sure that it can’t or won’t ever happen.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We sure are getting a lot of leeway here, aren't we?

Yeah, I didn’t mind the musing of whether we’d blow ourselves up again after 150,000 years. I took it as questioning whether we’d learned our lesson or not.
Of course, I think the “lesson learned” logic was completely backwards as well. It’s wrong on so many levels, and I’ve had this bottled up for a couple months now. So:

  • The 150,000 years of misery and starvation humanity endured didn’t really teach today’s people not to abuse their own creations because, of course, most of that 150,000 years of misery and starvation was unrecorded. To “grow as a species”, we need to have some real understanding of the loss potential, and that knowledge was effectively hidden from today’s man.
  • That is, if we wanted to to prevent the cycle, it seems to me the obvious solution would be to make sure everyone was well aware that the previous three attempts at something like that all failed and led to Armageddon. That would be, pretty obviously, extremely useful information to preventing another cycle
  • As would the fact that the remaining humans and cylons had more or less seemed to come together and coexist. By completely wiping the slate, they wiped out both the possibility to warn their successors, but also some tangible gains.
  • And we went through 150,000 years of starvation and misery to do it. Over that time, the quality of life absolutely sucked. And there was plenty of possibility for human extinction through other means. It’s pretty fair, I think, to question whether a society that endures 150,000 years of potential extinction and certain misery and starvation is better than a society that endures for 2-4000 years, provides a much better quality of life for the average person, and then faces potential extinction.

In the end, I try to comfort myself by saying they had to end it on the Earth, so they had to have some sort of deus ex machina to explain why today’s Earth doesn’t have BSG level knowledge or technology. I would have preferred they just went off to a new planet and re-started things there.

And as to whether we ever have “enough”, I doubt it. The stock theory would be that as we progress technologically
1. The wages for the remaining jobs goes up
2. The amount of work done by individuals goes down
3. With increased free time, we find new ways of entertaining ourselves, which, of course, leads to more employment. Since one of the things people desire is human interaction, I doubt it can be replaced.

We might, for example, consider what things looked like a hundred years ago, when the average workweek was something like 60 hours and this labor bought very little in terms of what it could buy now. Many common jobs then have been completely mechanized now and employ relatively few people. Many more jobs exist now that hadn’t even been conceived of. Most importantly for our line of discussion, if we were standing a hundred years ago in time, we could easily ask why anyone would work in today’s society when they can so easily live a life of comfort (* relative to 1908 standards!). People are hard to satisfy.

by Sports2 on Apr 30, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we got so much leeway cause Matt likes us best :)

Matt is to the NBA front office as we are to the Boston Celtics or LA Lakers. Or something.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You douchebags.

So I guess I’m going to “have” to go watch this now, eh?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 30, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently we common nerds aren't cool enough

To discuss the improvisational plots of Lost, or discuss how awful Heroes is now.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lost is my favorite show on TV.

BSG was a distant second. Heroes fuckin’ blows, and I used to be a fan.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's Lost?

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 30, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, tyger, you are so witty. ;-)

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha, yes I believe that's right.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nerd roll for priority:
  1. random call
    number random = 42
    print number
    print “But the dice is only a D20-”
    print gunshot

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So which series should I watch?

Thanks to Google, I’ve managed to figure out that Galactica 1980 sucked, but I’m in the dark about the other 300 spin-offs and the original series.

Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).

by stupidgenius on May 1, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip everything but the newest stuff on Scifi.

The 2004 series. It starts with the miniseries and then goes into four seasons of the tv show, the tv special Razor, and Caprica that is just coming out. You don’t need to watch anything else unless you are interested in retro tv. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 2, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).

by stupidgenius on May 2, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And your avatar is the reimagined Starbuck!

Things could be worse. We could have kept (name redacted).

by stupidgenius on May 2, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sure is

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on May 3, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes the nerddom is so thick

you could cut it with a 2d6 flamberge.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

We should stab Pierce in the face

metaphorically of course

"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."

- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Apr 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha! LOL

Strategically I think Rondo The Triple Double Machine needs to be “put on ice”, metaphorically speaking.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on Apr 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful thoughts.

Spot on, MPG. (One thing, though: it should be “now we get game 6” in your third-to-last paragraph).

by arjoseph on Apr 29, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

money quote:
Apparently the Chicago Public League needs to start teaching that the best players are actually – little known fact – thespians. (Where I grew up we called them pussies.)

The Celtics are the biggest bunch of fake tough guys I think I’ve ever seen on a basketball court.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my favorite quote of the whole thing too

Good stuff MPG.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on May 1, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the game ends up to where

we cannot win.. they i wont mind certain “accidents” to take place…

I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr

by Yibs on Apr 29, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys-

I’m glad we feel the same way. Hopefully a lot of people are, so the NBA gets their act together and cleans this stuff up!

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Anyway we can sign Charles Oakley for just two games? He doesn’t even need to show up to the arena, I thinking just signing him sends a message.

by oakdale on Apr 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

on the other hand

I don’t think this would count as retaliation but I am tired of seeing P. Pierce pump faking his was to the line. I wouldn’t mind once or twice when PP jumps into the defender the defender actually fouls him hard. If he is going to jump into you maybe don’t try to avoid the contact, but rather give him a hard hit. This will maybe stop him from constantly trying to get the defender in the air and getting to the line. I don’t want to see a goon come in intentionally foul someone and possibly hurt someone.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Apr 29, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

very agreed

pretty much the minute they leave their feet, they’re fucked, since Pierce always opts to jump into, rather than drive around, his defender. but it would be nice if they could just REALIZE they’re fucked and at that point, fuck it, look away and “accidentally” get him with an elbow on your way down… i like that.

by Daniel Satan on Apr 29, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus is known for hard fouls

And Brad is as dirty as they come. Too bad they never rotate in time to actually foul Rondo while he coasts for easy layups.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If there is a time to stop Rondo

Please Bullies make it happen game 6 (and 7 hopefully). I don’t even mean dirty, just wrap him up or something so he doesn’t get an easy layup. Even all his tough layups go in. The Bulls need to stop that, period.

"Remember, I'm Italian".

by BCs71 on Apr 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go for his head. If it is the only way to stop him the NBA says that is ok.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate this post

Because it reminds me to keep perspective. At first I was mad and like any other person I want to see retaliation. You hit me in the mouth, then I am coming at you. However, this would be a terrible thing for the Bulls. They would be sinking to the C’s level. I want to see the Bulls win just as they are and shut the Celtics up. They don’t have to “goon up” to win another game or god willing this series. I want to see more of this. I want the bulls to walk away from these massholes and let their games speak.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 29, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree completely

MPG has totally changed my perspective. If we win (I think a big IF despite how close 4/5 games have been), it would be nice to do it with class because no one sees Boston as a particularly classy team. The NBA can sell that if they want, but as a game it’s more fun to watch and would instill city pride to be the classy bulls against the masshole Celts.

by Jamaicanpi on Apr 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Celtics are the team with the least class in the entire NBA. From Perkins's sneering

to KG’s Tony Montagna face and F-Bombs from the bench, to Doc’s bitching about calls to the media, to Paul Pierce crying after every drive to the lane, to Rondo’s flopping and lying on the floor for 5 seconds after every little bit of contact he gets… this team just has absolutely no class and no respect for the game.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hitting them across the head isn't thuggery.

It is a good, clean, playoff foul. That is what the NBA ruled today. Heads are ok to hit. Especially if you don’t want the other guy to make an open layup and have no other way to stop him. The NBA needs more shots to the head. Hitting people in the head is good defense. Don’t teams want to be as good at defense as the Celtics are? They are the best, right? Tyrus needs to bring in 18 pts, 10 rebound, 4 blocked shots, zero fouls, and 4 shots to the head to be as good as Perkins for example. Emulate the best, right? Rose’s zero shots to the head is his worst stat. What a scrub.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I wanna see Rondo get clotheslined if he goes for a layup

"Gordon is a pretty good defender when he wants to be." - Andrew7

by gobulls1124 on Apr 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this was a very well-written read

just one question: aren’t narcolepts those people who suddenly fall asleep at basically any random time throughout the day? how does this constitute them as being the “twitchy” type?

but seriously you’re spot-on about this celtics squad… i actually wanted them to win it all last year cuz they played hard and as a team, and they didn’t seem to have any single player who put himself before the team. but this postseason, they seem to have about a dozen players who are putting themselves before THE GAME. fuck these guys, man, i mean seriously, could somebody, ANYBODY on your team just for once raise your hand and acknowledge that you actually committed a foul?

worst of all these guys don’t ever seem to be having fun. not for a split second in this series have i seen them happy for their teammates or show any joy in their moments of success. no, it’s a constant, pissed off scowl, even in their finest moments. like they’re fuckin pissed off to be here, having to play this game for millions of dollars in front of millions of fans. KG has turned this team into the Nazis of the NBA.

by Daniel Satan on Apr 29, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The big secret is that this series is not going the way Boston wanted it to go.

No wonder they always look crotchety. I don’t like moral victories. I’d prefer real ones. But Boston has continually failed to put their foot down on the necks of a young team without a single all star, rookie pg, second year center, rookie coach, 7-man rotation… probably why they are resorting to dirtier and dirtier play. They can’t get it done the regular way so they have to be asses about it. Making them this miserable is a kind of victory. Especially since they will only decline into suck in the following seasons and we are lined up to have a number of excellent players into the future. They are getting a good look at their mortality.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup i agree, and would've mentioned the same thing but i didn't wanna make too long of a post

these guys are all acting like it’s a personal insult that the NBA is forcing them to suit up and actually play these games. they all think they’re now too big/good for the NBA first round and it’s just one of many reasons that I hope they fail miserably over these next 2 games.

even if they don’t though, i can take some solace in the fact that a potential Cleveland matchup (if they get that far) would leave this team swept out of the playoffs and licking their wounds all offseason.

by Daniel Satan on Apr 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is how the pist-on's

acted when mj’s team finally took them to task.

and the bulls learned a valuable lesson from this.

I hate their bullshit tactics, but love the lesson’s our young guy’s can take from this.

by gman2849 on Apr 30, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right -

narcoleptics fall asleep during the day. they also get myclonic jerks whenever they’re awake – the twitch you get all when you’re really tired – because they’re never fully “awake.”

And yeah – KG is the captain of this awful team. Winning really made him grotesque.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahha i see

thanks for delving into the dangerous world of narcolepsy.

by Daniel Satan on Apr 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that I don't want to go down the path of thuggery for the cameras

However, as I said in another thread, I’d be perfectly ok with a bit of not-for-the-cameras thuggery, like a ball or two to KG’s over-exposed chin.

OK, I would like to catch it on YouTube later… just as long as it’s not being sold as part of the drama.

by Sports2 on Apr 30, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to bring a sign

that says “Exodus 21:24” – which is even more apropos given the two injuries Rondo caused in Game 5.

by torch on Apr 30, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But then I could bring a Matthew 5:38-42 sign

and then we would get into a ridiculous Russian Doll situation and we would have to argue the ramifications of the Old Covenant versus the New Covenant and that might get awkward.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 30, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winning = the best retaliation

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on May 1, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

And I must say, I was pretty impressed with KG. He actually behaved like a human being yesterday.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on May 1, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

you shouldn’t be impressed by someone acting the way they are supposed to.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on May 1, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's relative

to the rest of his behavior. :)

I guess “surprised” would have been a better choice of words.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on May 1, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait until he gets back to Boston.

He’ll feel more like himself there, I’m sure.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on May 1, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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