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Celtics 106, Bulls 104 (OT): Another thriller, though this ends in heartbreak

This game would've had a much better narrative if the Bulls won. I thought they did a great job fighting for (and getting lucky on some) loose balls, actually controlled the offensive board battle, and in general overcame poor shooting (especially in the first 3 quarters) from Gordon and Rose to stay in this game. The slack was picked up by Salmons, Thomas, Noah and especially Kirk Hinrich, who had a tremendous first half.

And they looked to have the Celtics on the ropes, leading by as many as 11, though with plenty of time left. Once again Vinny benched Tyrus Thomas in the 4th quarter, sticking first with Brad Miller and then going to the 4-guard-plus-Noah lineup. So in a game where he may have had a couple mistakes (though Miller himself had a terrible 1st half in that department) but was working hard near the rim on both ends, Tyrus only got 27 minutes in an overtime game. I was actually less upset about this than when it happened in previous games, and it could just be a case of Vinny wearing me down. And also that the 4-guard configuration was a success in the first half (though as I recall the Celtics bigs missed some close shots...plus Scalabrine was in some of that time). But, as always: this type of strategy rarely works for an extended duration, and you're putting yourself in a willing disadvantage on defense.

So as the game tightened in 4th, the Bulls best defense was shot making on offense, with Salmons and Gordon hitting a few but Paul Pierce hitting the last one. If Gordon made that final shot in regulation, it would've been a perfect ending: A flawed but effective player overcoming a rough night (upgraded from 'godawful' to merely 'poor' after working his way to the FT line) to lift a flawed but effective team to a commanding series lead. 

But instead Gordon missed, and Paul Pierce took over in overtime, hitting 3 straight nearly identical jumpers in isolation over Salmons. With Ray Allen fouled out of the game and players such as Tony Allen and Stephon Marbury on the court with Pierce, there looked to be ample ways to send Salmons help. But the Bulls stuck with Salmons on an island, and Pierce made them pay. 

Then on the final posession with the Celtics making a hard double-team denying the inbounds pass to Ben Gordon (showing the Bulls D how it's done?) Brad Miller found himself wide open, and while rumbling to the rim got hacked by Rajon Rondo. Could've been called a flagrant (not going for the ball and hitting the head from behind, that's a flagrant, right? The refs had a chance to review it so apparently not), but after missing two free-throws the Bulls would've still needed a miracle shot with only 2 seconds remaining. 

This is a tough recap to write. Instead of a fantastic hard-fought win (again, I can't get over the great effort from nearly everyone tonight) it could easily be the beginning of the end for the Bulls season. But it's also yet another indication that these are two very evenly matched teams. But when so evenly matched, things like coaching matter, and the Bulls rarely look prepared to execute in late-game situations. They rely on the heroics of some gifted shooters, and have little for a fallback plan on offense, and are barely above a 'hoping they miss' strategy on defense.

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Couldn't agree more.

Evenly matched players and an over matched coach. At first I was livid about the officiating or the last play of the game, but in the end that dosen’t matter. We had control of the game and we lost it. Blame it on players or coaching but please don’t blame anyone but ourselves. This is truly a brilliant series.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

there are so many close calls I can't keep them straight

that flagrant stands out especially since it was reviewed, but overall there were dicey calls on both sides.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah that was a flagrant

i couldn’t believe they didn’t call it. It’s not healthy watching this series.

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- fundamentallysound

by J Theory on Apr 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the refs did show some sigsn

of consistency tonight. It was only for short stretches though. Salmons gets jacked in the lane, there is no call, and has legitimate grounds to question the official yet he still gets t’d up for it. Meanwhile, Rondo can karate chop Brad Miller in the face and it’s just two shots.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the refs were consistently bad.

Apparently, David Stern doesn’t care that everyone is watching this series. You would think that he would tell the officiating crew to not make it so obvious that they want the defending champion BOSTON Celtics making it out of this round. And yes, I believe that the refs actually get calls from league officials giving them “instructions” for the game. Nothing as egregious as them saying, “make sure Boston wins” or even something like “give the close calls to Boston.” I think it is more implied. I don’t know exactly, but I can say that basketball is a very interpretive sport to officiate. And I have been watching the NBA my whole life and there a some many times where you can tell the bent of the refs that I can’t count them. It’s just an accepted part of the game. All I can say after watching this game is that I am proud of both BG and Rose for continuing to attack the basket even though they were getting hacked and tackled with no call. This is good because presumably, we will be better next year, or at least this good and we will start getting some calls. We saw what Rose can do when he is getting foul calls (Game 1).

by Unrealcity on Apr 29, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rose was clearly hacked at least 3 times going to the hole

it was pretty egregious. I look at the boxscore and I see Perkins with 19 rebounds, 7 blocks and 0 fouls and I want to punch something.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um

How come Gordon gets to the line for 3, when Tony Allen never fouled him? there was no foul there, and if there was, go on over to NBA.com, and tell me how pierce wasnt fouled by salmons when taking one of his patented jumpers. he was fouled. his hand is on pierces. thats a foul. but the refs arent calling it even a a 3rd of the time he gets fouled. yet ben gordon gets to the line for questionable fouls. why?

how does ray allen foul out of a playoff game for breathing? are you serious?

the way this series is, thats not a flagrant, and quite frankly brad miller is being a whin y baby about it, toughen up guy, all youve done out there is instigate physical and youre gonna cry now?

by PaintItBlack on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Refs were bad all around...

earlier posts were indicative of that. You make a good point that Allen fouled out on BS calls, but then they made up for it by not calling the flagrant at the end, and by not calling hard fouls on Rose and Gordan when they attacked the basket in OT. Overall it was a very poorly officiated game, which this post obviously makes a point to mention, but most bloggers here are not going to make that an excuse for the loss. We were out coached yesterday at the end, and I believe that was the difference.

To the points of your post: By your tone, I assume you’re a Boston fan. Why bother coming to a bulls blog to bitch about the refs? You won a hard fought game at home. Congratulations on the win, but are you and other Boston fans going to be as much of an ass as Garnet was at the end? I didin’t hear any Bulls players taunting at the end on Sunday. There was celebrating a hard fought win, but not taunting. Also, Tony Allen DID foul Gordon at the end. The replay clearly shows his arm was hit while shooting. Maybe you need some glasses, because I can’t think of any reason why you couldn’t see that.

Long story short. Go back to Harvard so you can fuck up the economy some more.

by 72-10 on Apr 29, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That foul on Tony Allen was pretty obvious

and Miller got whacked in the head. And you’re a Celtics fan.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rose gets no calls anymore.

Rondo gets tapped and there’s essentially sirens that go off in the arena. And it’s not that calls aren’t bad on both side – they are. It’s that the essential calls go one way: to the guys that bitch, flail, and preen.

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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing irritated me more

Than Paul Pierce finally getting his superstar calls after the refs ignored his bitching for 4 games.

Also, does anyone believe Kendrick Perkins didn’t commit a single foul last night? 2 days after he fouls out……he doesn’t get called for one. Doc Rivers is amazing at this game.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think someone provided a statistic

in this thread or another, that i think a player has had 15 reb and 5 blocks or more without a foul 7 times in the history of the NBA… when i think of players that have the ability to do something like this, perkins does not come to mind

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the statistic was never.

Doc Rivers has superpowers?

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, there were two players.

Wilt Chamberlin and Bill Russell. And now Kendrick Perkins? I don’t think so.

by Unrealcity on Apr 30, 2009 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think it was never in the playoffs before

but it was posted somewhere around here in one of these threads i think.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 30, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

at least ESPN caught on to the "not flagrant" foul

maybe it’ll get enough attention where we get some kind of benefit from it.
 (i’m getting desperate now)

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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Brad Miller

fail.

Plus I had to see this game at work? Major Fail. I got a fukin headache

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by Belize on Apr 28, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

another close game

another loss. This one doesnt hurt as much as the R. Allen game winner since I knew it would of taken a miracle shot by BG to win it.
-11 point lead and your best defender on the bench
-a lineup of 3/4 guards(if you count Salmons) can’t take of the ball down the stretch
-VDN did his best Skiles/B$*^#lan impersonation calling the BG iso to end the game
-VDN running out of TO’s at the end of OT so PP can just miss the FT, ok the last one is nitpicking but I’m just saying

When Gil and King both say to take the ball out of PP’s hands before the play something is wrong.

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Good recap btw

I didnt read it till now, cuz I thought you’d crap on them alil harder (you didnt, thanks). I still think we can win in 7..esp since Boston is wearing down…evn if not and we lose next game..im completely happy with this season..all I ask is for progression from this point on

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by Belize on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

It wasn’t a flagrant because he wasn’t going for his head, just watch the replay. He was flailing wildly at the ball in a desperate attempt to prevent the layup. There have nastier fouls that haven’t been called flagrants. And Brad Miller lost a tooth after falling on Paul Pierce’s elbow; if the Rondo slap knocked his teeth out, Miller has to get his gums checked.

by misterx2day on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rondo wasn't close enough to the play

so he was swiping from behind and hit his head. I don’t even think the intent matters at that point. Could be wrong.

I didn’t say anything about the teeth.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

intent doesnt matter

i believe the wording is “unnecessary contact,” and generally any wild swing like that that strikes the head is basically an automatic flagrant. im not really that worked up about it though; this is not on the refs, we had our chances and blew it

by Calogero on Apr 28, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Intent doesn’t matter…he hit Miller in the face, and he was bleeding…If Miller hit Rondo like that, they would have called it flagrant.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagrant?

If Miller hit Rondo like that, he would be suspended for 3 games probably.

by Unrealcity on Apr 29, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Miller hit Rondo like that

Rondo would be dead.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

that sounds like a good strategy for game 6.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did watch the replay on the DVD I burned

Rondo knew he had no chance for the ball, so instead of grabbing Miller’s arm, which he could have done, he swips at his head. Flagrant, I’m not sure of that but for me is after the play finishes, how Rondo tries to make the ref think Perkins got part of the ball and he didn’t foul him.

Watch that down there, Pierce’s elbow NEVER touches Miller’s mouth!

by BullsAttitude on Apr 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

If we had TT or Noah in that position there it probably would have been an and 1 dunk…. Thanks Vinny!

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by bennythebull on Apr 29, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

noah for sure

tyrus….id say it would be a jumper if tyrus was in….if he did drive it, i dont think hed finish…

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by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it had been ruled a flagrant though,

he wouldn’t have had to intentionally brick the 2nd one at least.

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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

heh, good point.

also, it seems NBA players never can correctly miss on purpose.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

except for Pierce who did it perfectly after missing the first by accident with 1.3 seconds to go and the

Bulls with no timeouts (again).

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

why do people always just hit the backboard

when trying to miss? I always see this happen when they are just trying to miss. Just hit the rim, its as simple as that

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the worst it could do is go in, right?

It is probably as hard as intentionally singing a song you know off key if you are a good singer. Not easy believe it or not.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

but to throw it off the backboard is ignorant to the rules.

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think his intent was to throw it off the backboard

he probably tried to hit the front of the rim, directing the ball back to the center of the lane as quickly as possible… players seem to attempt and fail at this often

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 28, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember Kirk did it perfectly against the Wizards in game 5

he bounced it off the rim and got the ball back to Pargo for the 3 to tie it, then Arenas hit the game winner.

I couldn’t find a video of it…

by Rose MVP on Apr 28, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk has more practice at missing fts. :)

Look, I made a funny!

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I always wondered if the best strategy

isn’t to change your form but just move a bit to the side.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about not changing your form, but

Its actually pretty easy to miss long on purpose, i.e. hit the back of the rim and hope you get a high, long miss. If you go up to the line and use your natural routine, but purposely apply more force, the odds of missing the cylinder and hitting the back of the rim instead are pretty high. At worst, the up and down trajectory of shooting naturally makes it easier to hit backboard and have it come down off the rim.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

that game drained me. Seriously drained me.

I feel like both teams know each other so well something is going to give.

going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!

by SoulEater7 on Apr 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

i almost went to this game too.

i went to game 2, and then my idiot father accidentally bought tickets for this game while trying to buy tickets for sundays game (which he ended up still going to), so he sent me tickets but i ended up selling them. i knew i couldn’t take another crazy night there in person.

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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This one really hurts

I’m not really a believer in one game affecting the next in a series, but you have to think that if there is such a thing this game is really gonna hurt us on Thursday. Just hope that we can push it to seven.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Part of me thinks that in this scandalous NBA world

The NBA would love to see this series go 7.

So maybe we do get the calls in game 6

by Option27 on Apr 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

it'll take more than calls

we need more from rose and BG; the odds of ray allen only playing 6 mins in the 2nd half again are slim to none

by Calogero on Apr 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll play even less than that

if the refs call the game according to the rules.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I hope so.

But this is where the NBA just doesn’t get it to me. They think that if there is a really blown call, you can just do a make up call and everything will be even. But it doesn’t work like that with the fans. We remember the terrible calls. We don’t remember the make up calls. The same goes with games. Why can’t they just try to call it somewhat even, instead of giving Boston touch fouls when they come in the lane (at home) and waiting to call a offensive foul on Rose when the defender was clearly on the line. I’ll be glad if we get some calls, but it is a little ridiculous.

by Unrealcity on Apr 29, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

KG is a prick

but i’ve known that for a while, the guy couldn’t even pass the ACT’s what a dumb ass.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 28, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

it shows how bad Boston is right now that Kevin Garnett has to taunt the Bulls bench….( Tim Thomas, Grey, Hunter, Roberson, Johnson,)

Last year he was yelling at a bench with Phil Jackson this year Vinny del Negro.

If the national broadcasters had any balls they would call him out for it, Neil and Stacy did a great job once the game was basically over saying how much respect they lost for him this series.

When Jokim Noah has more maturity than you ….. you retire to Atlanta.

by Jscho316 on Apr 29, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

minor point

but does anyone else here think that gordon shoots better from the right side (i dont feel like looking it up on hot spots)? i wouldve liked to have seen that play (and BG) go right on that last play in regulation

by Calogero on Apr 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I never really noticed much of that

But Collins all game was saying that Doc mentioned if BG gets a shot going to the right, then Doc consider’s that a major defensive failure on his part…..so I think he must….

I think a healthy BG can hit wherever, whenever in whatever style of shot.

That play where Marbury looked away from him was something….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

interesting

when Pierce hits big shots Vinny says ‘well that’s what great players do’

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I defnitely said that

last night as he took that big jump stop going back and to his left (back…and to the left…). Basing off over absolutely zero proof and solely on memory, I would argue that he shoots better on the right side of the floor.

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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that graph.

Very interesting that he shoots well outside to the left, but not so well inside to the left….

I think it more shows he’s good anywhere, just has had some better luck on the right (esp with that .449% on the left side of the 3 line)….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

if boston does go on the win the series...

i hope they meet CLE in the ECF, just so i can watch Lebron shut KG up.

by brose on Apr 28, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

because the magic have been looking so good?

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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Magic have a legit big.

Should make things interesting at least. Our Bigs are either slow or need to put some weight on over the summer. Their Big will get foul calls. I want us to win, but it would be nice to see Davis flat on his ass a few times too and Rondo bounced into the 200s.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

They wont make it out of the first

;)

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by piccolomair on Apr 28, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ben Gordon can't be counted on...

During this series as Ben Gordon hit big shot after big shot, I got a little worried that Paxson would not be able to sign him after his play in the playoffs. But after tonight’s game and the crazy shots Gordon threw up, the Bulls can live without him. If Gordon is not connecting, what else can he do? I had to close my eyes down the stretch. He’s very inconsistent and lack discipline in crunch time.

However, I couldn’t understand why VDN didn’t risk it all with Rose, instead of Gordon? Before the end of regulation, if VDN would have let Rose have the last shot, I’m sure he would have gotten contact going to the bucket.

by Soloistic on Apr 28, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

You do know Ben has a muscle detached, right?

And Rose wouldn’t get called for contact. Maybe if he lost two teeth. Hm. I like Rose with his teeth though.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah no matter how bad the shots look to some

They still go in and if everyone on the team is improving then I wouldn’t see why 1 game says we don’t need him. He is one of the best clutch players without a doubt and thats not easy to find

by Camry on Apr 28, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were you watching the same game I was?

Gordon was great down the stretch. He made a couple amazing shots, made critical free throws. First half was bad, but how can you complain about him down the stretch? Not his fault Vinny refuses to ever have an actual play at the end of games.

by BoxingHideout on Apr 28, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wah?

Didn’t you see the last Brad Miller play? That was a Vinny call and was spectacular timing.

BG I think tends to shoot better in a crowd at the end of games…..with the weird angles.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

BG

played over 50 minutes with an injury. I would say he saved us. At least he is willing to take the shot. Did you not notice how short Kirk was with that late 3 attempt. The one time we needed Kirk to be clutch he comes up short. I wish he would of made it, since he is our captain and played the entire 4th and OT. He was probably tired. Does VDN not realize that you can sub in the 4th quarter/OT??

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk did sit for part of the 4th

Unfortunately it was due to his head bouncing off the court and having to leave to get stitches.

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by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stitches because

of a Rondo foul.

I’m sensing a pattern here…

by torch on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What can Ben Gordon do?

He is to the point now where he draws so much defensive attention that it allows everyone else to operate with space. That’s valuable. Although Gordon is no superstar, allowing other players to operate with space is what superstars do since they command so much attention.

What I want to see is Rose ATTACK on a more consistent basis. Put the type of pressure on Boston that Rondo is putting on us. It’s not like he can’t do it. And with Gordon on the court spreading the floor, Rose will have one less guy to deal with when attacking.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, he's not.

What part of his point is valid?
That BG took and missed crazy shots? No … he hit them. He missed … one.
That BG choked at the end of the game by hitting all of his free throws?
That BG missed a game-winning layup when that was actually Rose?

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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Addendum:

That Rose would get a call going to the hoop?
Ahahahahahahaha

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He would have gotten contact

But Rose hasn’t gotten calls since Game 1, so it’s irrelevant. I mean, they called an out of bounds turnover on him yesterday when Rondo clearly tripped him. Some of this shit is so blatant, you have to laugh at it.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a trip

but he did have a hand on Rose’s hip which got extended on the “fall”…

by torch on Apr 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Portland won

so i believe 6:30

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

hope not

i got work again

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on Apr 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll punch something

hard

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

High noon. Bring your pistols.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't have Clint Eastwood where you're from?

It would be a really sad place. I’d move.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha!

Oh, cranscape. You slay me.

by NittanyCub on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cant believe nobody is more upset about TT not being in and miller blowing the game...

There is no reason (especially after TT saved game 1) that miller should be in there instead of him. He played piss poor the entire game when Tyrus was actually putting in a decent effort.

by Renobull on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

It has been said a zillion times already.

I think we are all on the same page and burned out over the topic. Most of us think Miller has an expiration date each game and Vinny has consistently been pushing it. These are the results.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

peeps, don't post large images or animations in the comments

make it a separate fanshot. It slows shit down in here.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY

Fuck KG, he is a big pansy, talkin shit from the sideline and he only tries to punk smaller players.

If Noah or Tyrus had the last play, they would have been able to dunk it before help came. Brad’s drive reminded me of the Six Million Dollar Man when he jumped….pure sssllloooowwww mooottiiiooonnnn. And he finger rolled it. A 7 footer doin a fuckin finger roll. Wow

The main offense is Vinny leaving Salmons on an island. You know Pierce wants to shoot from the right elbow, he can only go right and we let him get right to his money spot. No attempt to double team, no attempt to deny him the ball. Hell, put Rose or Tyrus on him. At least Derrick or Tyrus has a chance to block the ball, Salmons can barely jump due to the groin injury. Unfuckingbelievable. They made no adjustment for Pierce…..LET SOMEONE BEAT YOU. You leave one of your better defenders on the bench….wow…

The last play for Ben in regulation was retarded. He can’t dribble for shit. I’m cool with him taking the last shot but let Derrick drive and then kick.

Both teams are evenly matched but Vinny showed why he shouldn’t get a chance to “get better”. A real coach gives his team the best chance to win. Vinny makes Doc Rivers look like Popovich and Rivers is a pretty crummy coach in his own right.

Also this game showed me what Ben haters go on and on about. He was awful tonight, throwing up all kinds of shit….some of it went in but it was all pure luck and usually terrible shot attempts. Including when Tony Allen bailed him out when he got fouled on that terrible 3. I still like Ben and usually support him no matter what but he was awful tonight. And his D was particularly atrocious. One sequence he saw that a teammate was about to get burnt so instead of stepping up, he just points at the Celtic instead.

SERIES OVER….we can win game 6 but we have no chance in Hell to win game 7 in Boston.

by C Smoove on Apr 28, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think i can handle the officiating

of a game 7 in boston, regardless of how tough of a job the refs have, whether its sop in the NBA, etc

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

again, he had a detached muscle...

and all of those “lucky” shots? They go in more than they dont. At a certain point, it isnt luck anymore.
Im out, good night all

by Renobull on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we had another player with HALF the balls....

…that Gordon has then he wouldn’t have to take those shots. He’s been doing it for 5 years now because he hasn’t had a teammate in that entire time who is a better performer down the stretch on a consistent basis. The closest thing he has to that is Rose, but Rose still isn’t ready yet. There is NO other guy on the team I want shooting the ball at the end of the game. I would rather have Vinny set something up for Ben like the Celtics set things up for Ray Allen. But the fact remains, Gordon is the only guy who’ll take and make tough shots without letting “the moment” get to him.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Why the hell do Bulls fans still hate on BG…..

I swear non Bulls fans are salivating at his unrestricted status. The Dude’s won more games for us in his Bulls tenure than any of his teammates combined over the past 5 years….

Sure he has flaws, but his best skill is the best skill to have in the entire league. And he’s as clutch a performer as they come. Hitting those 3 FT’s while logging 50+ minutes with a detached muscle in his leg at the time he hit them…that’s sensational.

Rose needs to be more aggressive and take care of the ball a bit better. I know there were some non called fouls, but there were also some really unforced TO’s at critical moments. And Rose when aggressive is damn near unstoppable. I know he’s a rookie, and a great rookie at that, but it’s tough cuz he’ll go through stretches were he’s unbelievable….

Oh well. I still think we can win game 6, and I don’t think the Celtics are going to be too tough to win 2 straight.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um did you watch

Wade in game 4? He was off all night but kept jacking shot after shot after shot after shot.

Ben rarely shoots more than 16-18 shots a night…avg’s 14.9 for his career…..yet is asked to be the guy when the going gets tough.

I think take the blinders off, he ain’t nearly as selfish as you want to think. He is though ASKED TO BE THE MAN in the clutch—and for good reason since he’s proven very good in key moments, as evidenced further by this whole series.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh no, not that phrase again

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love Wade--and have followed him since college.

But I’m just saying. BG is asked to take those guys’s roles in the offense and look at his stats, he rarely forces unmakeable shots or bad shots to the extent they do. He just can hit any kind of shot in the most incredible angles often…..heck I think he’s a better shooter contorting his body with a hand in his face than a pure jump shooter.

I am not saying BG’s in Wade’s league, but BG doesn’t “force” nearly as much as you’d think….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then why did you say 'Please don't ever compare BG to Wade'?

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of those shots were horrible

If they didn’t go in, everyone would be chastising him.

That last shot he hit in the 4th quarter was incredibly dumb because the Bulls had a 1 second difference between shot and game clock. Why not kick it back out to Rose, and try and run a set play? Worst case scenario the Celtics get the ball with under a second left to hit a miracle shot. I like that Ben has the guts to put the game on his shoulders, but I didn’t like that shot at all (until it went in).

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

BG is only underated by fans, not NBA experts

I heard most NBA experts agree with you. The most talented and valuble NBA players draw double teams. Too bad Paxson doesn’t understand that. Until Rose came along, Gordon was the only player talented enough on the Bulls to do so. And his defense is not that bad either. Rose needs work though. The pain will come next year when Gordon’s gone. So stop wasting your energy trying to educate, there is no cure for stupidity. These sites attract loudmouth idiots. Hopefully, Gordon will have the same success Billups had when he moved to a new team. Don’t worry though, (Stupid NBA) Bulls fans will find someone else to blame next year. Let see how well the the Bulls can score after teams had a chance to scout them.

by sadafan on Apr 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec to that

Finally some reason :). Well said.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

BG is under-rated by the Bulls organization. :(

BG is only underated by fans, not NBA experts

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Apr 29, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

But I will add that to truly be valuable in the case of drawing a double, you need to be able to pass it out to the open man. That is the advantage. Too often BG just takes the shot anyway. You can actually see when he puts his head down that he is going to take the shot, no matter what. Of course, the current team is only helping him do this by being so far away from him that he doesn’t have an outlet if he ever wanted one. But maybe at this point, they know it is fruitless to expect a pass from him once he has decided to “score” and give him as much room as possible to operate.

by Unrealcity on Apr 30, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is not as good as MJ?

Why the hell do Bulls fans still hate on BG…..

Maybe we can?

by Granny Waiters on Apr 29, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but likely the same

 Will be for Rose and every player we ever get again….

Still BG’s been a warrior for us from day one and always done what was asked, even if it was crazy like having Chris Duhon (little upside he was) start over him….while also being undersized and unable to shoot….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

C Smoove

my thoughts exactly…

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on Apr 29, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel compelled to note that for a guy who "can't dribble for shit" and is routinely derided as a ball-handler

He’s
1: Handled the ball a lot
2: Played 45 mpg
3: Over 5 games
4: His total number of turnovers.

by Sports2 on Apr 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what's his Ast/TO ratio right now?

Gotta be something like 3:1.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

13 assists to 4 turnovers

Rose is leading all players with a ridiculous 27 turnovers in 5 games.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always said

BG’s a better ball handler too than his rep. I mean hell the reason he’s made to look bad at ball handling is because he gets too fancy in the waning moments and makes some key unforced turnovers. But compare his TO stats to Wade, Kobe, etc….and he’s better and he is asked to take their roles in the clutch…..so it is comparable.

Ben could be better and handling the ball and not having all the unforced TO’s, but he’s not nearly as bad a ball handler as the “everyday” fan wants to think.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed, lets retire that tired joke.

and the tired sarcastic jokes?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

for what it's worth (not too much)

Barkley is adamant that it’s a flagrant. And seeing the replay sure makes it seems so. Actually, it’s pretty fucking obvious.

Plus got to hear Rondo’s explanation about how he didn’t mean to do it, and he’s so much smaller so he has to foul harder. Fine show of media savvy. But it’s still flagrant if it’s above the shoulders.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

If Barkley says it

you know there isn’t any bias in favor of the Bulls. Rondo’s comment is definitely damning… I don’t think the size of the player should be a deciding factor (if it is?)

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Grab his arm then. Like every other not-dirty player does.

The Celtics got the results they wanted and their dirty play pays off and has for a while. With a game already this physical I am surprised they let really bad stuff like that go. It just means next time it will be extremely bad. The way they are officiated Rondo made the right move though. Bravo.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm especially surprised

because they were able to review the foul, right? not just the time remaining. They had every opportunity to change that call to a flagrant.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the last game

they checked over Miller’s “hit” and downgraded it. So they can look at things I think. I was listening to it on the radio and the guys there said that what the refs were watching was the time remaining. They were close by and could see the refs didn’t review the full clip. I bet they review it later. Not that it does us any good.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could do us good...

If Rondo gets suspended like he should…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Apr 29, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Rondo would have earned it.

I am tired of people saying it isn’t fair. Most other guys manage not to hook people in the face when they get beat on defense. Rondo decided to do what he did. If he gets suspended it would be his own fault, no one else.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Id rather rondo not get suspended

come out to play in chicago, and get injured late in the game. I think we will beat celtics in chi with or without rondo, and so id rather he get injured and be iffy in game 7, as opposed to be well rested for game 7….i want to win this series, because i know the bulls can….

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by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wrap up

Play for the ball: bzz
Above the shoulders: ding
Bloodied player on the receiving end: ding

Flagrant foul? Not tonight. Even with a video review.

The NBA: Where officials have way too much fucking control of games

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

question 3 has no relevence

I think only the first 2 is sufficient, right?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Ray Allen should have fouled out earlier

Hand checking is a foul. Two hands on the offensive player is a foul. Ray Allen was permitted to cop a feel on Ben Gordon all night.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too, it was blatant.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

the grabbing was especially noticeable throughout the third quarter

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta correct for the proximity

Celtic bench is right there. Doc and Thibs could work the top official the entire half to protect Ray.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

we were over here screaming about the same thing as well...

…Allen’s grabbing was pretty ridiculous tonight.

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Celtics

get away with more fouls than any team in the NBA. Their whole amazing defense thing? Yeah, it’s called fouling.

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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just a couple of lost possessions, but whose counting?

3:34 in the first, 5:05 in the second, and 10:02 in the third the Celtics just wanted the loose ball more than two Bulls that had angles to get it.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

did you count the ones the Bulls did get?

I think they won that battle tonight.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were good signs

like boxing out Rajon Rondo on Celtic FTA especially in the fourth quarter. Well done Mr. Salmons.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i know is that rondo's foul at the end was a flagrant foul.

should of been a no brainer call. 2 shots and the ball…… it should of been. I understand the refs not wanting to decide the game, but whether the flagrant was called or not, they wouldnt of decided the game. but it should of been called because it was the right call to make….

by masputo on Apr 28, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand why the refs wouldn't want to make the call

because that’s not deciding the game, it’s refereeing the game. Which is sort of their job.

Besides, it wasn’t handing the Bulls a victory. A dazed Miller had to hit free throws and/or a Bulls conversion with 2 seconds remaining.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

HUZZAH!
that’s not deciding the game, it’s refereeing the game.

The refs blew yet another crucial call down the stretch in a deciding game of a playoff series. Alas, Tim Donaghy was the lone gunman.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

just saw the replay on sportscenter

immediately after the foul, rondo motioned like he was just going for the arm… seems like he knew what he did

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

doc just said it was a flagrant

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's why I like Doc. He's a honest guy.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He can be

after the fact. Dirty pays off in Boston.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

right

you can be dirty during the game, then nice to the media afterwards, and you win and everyone likes you. It’s smart.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

yet

Tim Legler agrees with the refs what a joke

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by tyrus4prez on Apr 29, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Legler is awful. He's always awful.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 29, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Legler was shit in the league

and he’s shit as an analyst. He is, however, consistent.

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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

miller probably wouldnt have had to take the ft's if it was flagrant

he was clearly dazed and they gave him like 3 minutes to clean up the blood; i dont think it wouldve been a stretch to say he was too injured and let bg shoot em

by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

rivers would have gotten to choose the shooter

if the bulls replaced miller for medical reasons, he also wouldn’t have been allowed back in the game in 2OT.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

not if it was flagrant

if you get hurt on a flagrant foul your own coach chooses anyone to shoot (your right that he cant return though). if you get hurt on a personal foul the other coach chooses

by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh

ok i wasn’t aware of the distinction. since they kept saying on the telecast that doc’d get to choose the shooter.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What Rondo and I share in common:

I have the letters “NC” tattooed on my back, just as he does with RR.

Honest to God this might be the biggest joke of a tattoo I’ve seen in my life, and I’ve seen Hinrich’s wrist bracelet tattoo

by NittanyCub on Apr 28, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

tattooing one's own name/initials

is one of the dumbest things ever.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Deron Williams

Have his name tattooed down both of his arms? I know he has something, and I thought it was his name.

Was it nick Anderson who had a tattoo of his portrait on his arm….now that’s pretty sweet.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was Dennis Scott

and I think he said it was his dad or something, but it looked just like him

by M 80 on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

no guts no glory

or something like that

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

We got some officiating breaks on our last game, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LIKE THIS ONE

It was total bull crap for the refs to review the monitor for a whole min. and call shooting foul on rondo. They have some nerve to call that not flagrant, even after all the blood gushing out of poor brad’s mouth. Is David Stern behind all this mess with officiating?

by Damn Bulls on Apr 28, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

This might make you feel better...

http://www.nba.com/email_us/contact_us.html

It probably goes directly into the trash bin, but what the hell. The bad karma will be transmitted regardless.

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by cranscape on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i really its going to 7 though......i don't see us losing game 6 at home.... or i hope not...

and on a side note: has anyone noticed the point differential for the 4 close games in this serious…..0…………345-345……fuckin crazy ass series….thats for sure…

by masputo on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yall need to watch ESPN

and see Miller’s interview after the game..kinda funny, in a sick weird way

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Please tell me if Im not alone.

We could have used Tyrus switch D on Pierce after he started knocking down those daggers. I can’t stand watching pierce making those in-your-face jump shot(barely jumping) against barely jumping salmon’s D. Tyrus should not be limited to 25min of playing 4 only, instead he could have played extra 10 minutes or more on 3 locking down on old pierce. We’ve all seen tyrus locking down on King Lebron front and back court.

by Damn Bulls on Apr 29, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We should have at least tried different guys on him

or a double team or something. Salmons clearly couldn’t do more than he did already. Rookie coach. I am tired of saying that. Let a scrub team break in the rookie coaches from now on. We have enough good players that we deserve a good coach right now. Not whenever he figures it out years from now.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was surprised

We didn’t switch with Hinrich there, as that’s the strategy that worked all series….once Paul starts to hit on Salmons, switch the coverage…

Oh well, Salmons was there, Paul hit big shots that he’s hit throughout his career.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now I'm not completely sure of the rules but...

Wouldn’t it make sense for Miller to be too “hurt” to come back out?

I think Doc would get to choose who takes the FTs.

So he would have to choose between Rose, Hinrich, Gordon, Salmons.
I feel alot more comfortable with those guys shooting instead of Miller who hasn’t been shooting well.

Ya he would have been out the whole game, but I’m sure TT and Noah could have been well enough to play 2OT.

by Edicus2288i on Apr 29, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Miller is a career 80% FT shooter

And he’s done it for many many seasons. He should have been out there. The player that also should have been out there is Tyrus the OT shooting star.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

if it was flagrant

and miller couldnt return, we get to choose the shooter though.

by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, doc does

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Apr 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

not if it was called a flagrant

injury on flagrant, own coach chooses. injury on personal foul, opposing coach chooses

by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

flagrant 1, Doc would choose from our bench

flagrant 2, VDN would choose any player from our team

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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 29, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

shit youre right

i just looked it up in the rulebook; i was basing what i said off abbott’s piece in truehoop today which seemed to imply that we chose on any flagrant

by Calogero on Apr 29, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

as much as the officiating sucked major ass tonight

we’re missing the bigger picture of how Big Gravy Davis looked like fuckin Malone, Duncan, and Barkley rolled up into one big sloppy burrito. There’s no way he should’ve been doing some of the things that he did or allowed to score as many points as he did. If it’s not him, then it’s Rondo.

I have yet to see anyone on the Bulls hard foul any Celtic at all. If they’re not gonna play D (which we’ve figured out they aren’t), then at least deliver a solid blow to someone and make them think twice about it. This is getting pretty ridiculous.

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by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I am very upset that there were no hard fouls

Nothing dirty. Just Dit for Tit.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 29, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

They need to hard foul them

but it is hard to sacrifice that foul when you are already expecting to get numerous touch fouls and you’d rather not have Tim Thomas or Hunter in for extended minutes. But what the hell. I say they need to exchange hurt for hurt. Go down swinging. Collect some teeth.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

fine

…then bring in TiT or Hunter strictly to deliver a hard foul so that our starters don’t have to. Time to Goon Up

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by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly would not

Aaron Gray comes in, we quickly go down 10 in 1 minute. Tim THomas, while hardly good these days, can at least hit some 3’s and spread the floor…..and kind of cover.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

if you’re going to thug up, let Tim do it…. I do think if they’re going to punch you in the mouth, you have to hit back, or they’re going to keep doing it. If doc wants to tell his guys to hard foul, we need to bring in our thugs and reciprocate. Tim provides the extra benefit of OK shooting, where Grey just provides slowness.

by 72-10 on Apr 29, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tim

Actually was playing alright before getting hurt for us in game 3 with that nasty fall on the analysts table. I think he then lost his wind, and that’s hurt him ever since.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Where were Tyrus when the sh-t started to hit the fan. It would like to TT on Pierce when he got so hot form his midrange

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 29, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I could see this one.

Vinny puts Kirk in for BG or Rose (course he wouldn’t for BG cuz he’s our clutch player) but he puts Kirk in for Rose in the 4th…..and the fans won’t be upset at all….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree to a certain extent

but Kirk didn’t register an assist in 31 minutes of play. Its hard to place someone as primary distributor when they don’t distribute the ball.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

when they were up 10

what they really needed was defense. So kirk should have been included, as well as tyrus thomas. I would have gone with a lineup of Rose, Kirk, Salmons, Tyrus, Noah (rose is the only one who can keep up with rondo, kirk best perimeter guard guardin ray allen who is ONLY a perimeter guard, salmons on pierce cuz …duh!!!, tyrus and noah perhaps the best defensive frontline in the nba)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

well i thought tyrusmancrush was talking about replacing Rose with Kirk

I actually think Hinrich should have been on Pierce. He has guarded him better than anyone. I would have put Salmons on Marbury (Allen had fouled out) so that he could come double. But that would have involved planning.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would have left salmons on pierce

but only at first, if pierce was getting hte best of salmons quite a bit, like he eventually was, i would switch hinrich onto him not because hinrich is a better defender, but because the style of defending would be different. That sudden change in defensive style might have been enough to cause pierce to miss a jumper or two, and that would have been enough especially when trying to stop a run by boston.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wonder if it will look suspicious

when we start Linton Johnson III, and he hammers Rondo within the first few minutes on Thursday?

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 29, 2009 12:31 AM CDT reply actions  

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on Apr 29, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

And maybe we can start Gray, Roberson and TiT, and have them start a big brawl with fists flying,

with Pierce, Perkins and Allen who hopefully would retalitate so we can get them all thrown out early in the first quarter. During the melee, Aaron can accidently fall on Vinny which forces him to be taken to a hospital for overnight treatment and observation.

In my previous Vinny venom rant, I forgot to mention that the one time he should have called a timeout in the 4th quarter as the big lead was melting to stop the bleeding, he just stood there acting as if everything was just fine with his stupid lineup being destroyed by the Celtics. He was directly responsible for breathing life into what looked like a dying corpse by not reacting to the situation and in fact he never did figure it out, even in the overtime. Kirk had done a great job stopping Pierce in the series, but I guess DelNitwit never looks at game film so he let him destroy Salmons to pull them from the jaws of defeat by not providing any doubling to help him out and having their best help defender and shot blocker collecting splinters on the bench.

I am making myself ill complaining about our cretinous leader, so I hope some others will pick up the baton because I am checking out before I throw up thinking about how this game was given away along with inserting a likely season ending dagger into his own heart.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 29, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

what about that tony "ghetto" allen's smack on Rose?

Towards the end of the game. he slapped the shit out of Rose’s leg which led to Rose’s another turnover. He just went for Rose’s leg, not the ball. That dirty ass play should’ve been called a foul.

by Damn Bulls on Apr 29, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

The reason that wasn't called was because his name isn't Rondo.

Boston’s bigs should be playing for the Patriots or the Bruins because they get away with murder under the boards. Many of their blocks, and I ran them in slow motion to make sure, consisted of hitting every part of the anatomy except the ball, but when the Bulls do the same thing with much less contact, they get whistled almost every time.

Meanwhile, our idiot coach hardly ever complains or sad to surmise, maybe he’s so spaced out, he doesn’t even notice, being too busy scribbling like a two year old on his chalkboard to confuse anyone who bothers listening. Take a look at that thing sometimes. I’m sure those chicken scratchings are completely indecipherable by any human being other than him.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 29, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was that Allen or Rondo?

Rondo got away with a reach right across the chest of Rose. He got some ball, but it was his left hand reaching across Rondo’s and Rose’s body to get to the ball. If you can do this without fouling one of the fastest penetrators in the NBA you’re either amazing or the referees are blind on some plays.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

yEAH THAT WAS B.S.

Complete home court b.s.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

a couple points from a tough loss

- I thought Rose was bad today. His turnovers really hurt and he wasn’t probing the defense. He needs to be aggressive. He also needs to make it a point to look for BG. Too many times he looked for Salmons over BG on curls when I thought BG should have got the ball. I think Rose was overwhelmed by the moment. The last 2 games – 13 turnovers. I can’t remember back to back games this season where he has had so many turnovers. He didn’t get some calls and he seemed to get frustrated for the first time this year. On the other hand his off the ball D was the best its been all year. I think 3 steals has to be a season high. Rose and the rest of the Bulls were active all night.

- VDN seriously screwed up by not playing Thomas more. The Bulls need players to protect the rim.

He also screwed us by leaving Salmons on an island. You need to help and rotate in that situation. Pierce was killing Salmons, we needed to force the ball out of his hands, especially with Allen fouled out. The Bulls played right into the Celtics hands by playing a 4 guard line up. The Celtics have no interior depth. So of course VDN plays a 4 guard line up. The Celtics best interior bench player is Scalabrine – we should have been going big all night.

- The officiating was bad tonight. Salmons and Rose got hit a number of times going to the basket with no call. The non-flagrant call on Rondo was ridiculous. He grabbed Miller by the face and we don’t get 2 shots and the ball?! Miller has to knock those down, but the officials blew that call and a lot of others.

- PIerce made some tough shots. That is why they are champs.

- Hinrich played really well. Hit a number of big shots in the first to keep the bulls in it. And once again, Tyrus needs to play more minutes.

- The Bulls and Celtics are evenly matched without KG. The main difference is experience and coaching. I don’t know if we can overcome both. 2 of 3 – Rose, Gordon or Salmons – need to have good games on the same day for the Bulls to win this series. I have been impressed with Salmons effort, but not his production. We need those guys to shoot well to win.

- Best series of the playoffs. If the Bulls continue to be aggressive attacking the basket, they will win game 6

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 1:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Can someone please look up the last time someone got over 15 rebounds and 5 blocks

without committing a single foul? That has to be a playoff record. Perkins had 16 pts, 19 rebounds and 7 blocks with 0 fouls after committing 6 fouls in Game 5 in Chicago. NBA refereeing – its fantastic.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll answer my own question

Since 1991 (the earliest compilation of stats) no player has tallied 15 pts, 15 rebounds, 5 blocks and 0 fouls in the playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=1987&year_max=2009&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=blk&c3comp=gt&c3val=5&c4stat=pf&c4comp=eq&c4val=0&order_by=pts

Only 7 players have done it at all (regular season) since 1986-87. Strangely enough, one was Ben Wallace for the Bulls.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1987&year_max=2009&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=blk&c3comp=gt&c3val=5&c4stat=pf&c4comp=eq&c4val=0&order_by=pts

Perkins game was rare. And bullshit. Rare bullshit. In fact no player in NBA history has recorded 7 blocks with no fouls in the playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=1987&year_max=2009&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=blk&c3comp=gt&c3val=7&c4stat=pf&c4comp=eq&c4val=0&order_by=pts

Perkins fouled Tyrus twice in the first. He fouled Rose on a couple drives and walloped Salmons on a couple more. But I guess it isn’t a foul, if they don’t call it.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

the refs sucked

but it wasn’t why we lost. Vinny could have called a TO when we were up by 11 and they started going on that run… you could see they were getting hot. Why not use the TO to try and slow them down?

by 72-10 on Apr 29, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not saying its the reason we lost

but Perkins had a historical night. He was allowed to play incredibly physically without picking up a single foul. This all comes one day after he and Doc Rivers criticized the refs as being biased against the Celtics. Guys don’t play over 40 minutes, get 7 blocks and commit no fouls. It just doesn’t happen. It has happened only 7 times in 22 years and never in the playoffs. Rose and Salmons were hit on a number of drives.

And you can criticize the refs, VDN and anything else at the same time. Criticism doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. And Perkins stat line stood out to me since one of the keys of the game was getting the Celtics big men into foul trouble.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

did Brad Miller really lose a tooth?

source? i dont remember seeing that??

"....you can't handle The Truth"

by kheeko on Apr 29, 2009 2:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Vinny said

Brad’s tooth cut his cheek. He didn’t say anything about him losing a tooth.

by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were articles

that came out talking about loose teeth and a trip to the dentist, but they might have just been carrying along the joke. I was listening to the game by radio and they said they thought he had a tooth out. That was while it was all confusion there real time though.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

@your friendly BullsBlogger <- had a question for you matey

Sorry for being the Celtic fan on your blog right now. I’m not here to rub anything in, I swear it.

But I had a question I just really felt like asking you right away.

How do you think the Celtics played? What did you think of our play? I know it’s hard to judge an opponents team and all that, but do you think we did the best we can? Or did you see a team out there that just misses KG a lot? Or do you think we’re not as good as last season has led us to believe we are?

Again, I’m sorry about the loss for you guys. You’re putting up great games against us and making it a really, really scary series for us. I hope this goes to game 7, and may the team that plays best win. (that last remark was a jab at the horrible officiating of the last few games)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Apr 29, 2009 3:32 AM CDT reply actions  

you guys miss KG

He changes your entire team

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on Apr 29, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unsolicited response from a Bulls fan...

Rondo is amazing, easily the best player on the team; Allen and Pierce are obviously very good and experienced. Perkins is also very solid and tough, so overall strong starters. Bench truly sucks, Big Baby is over-rated (too much of a jump shooter). You have no chance of getting past a Cleveland or LA.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 29, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now, please don't take offense because this is meant as a compliment:

but you guys weren’t supposed to have against us either. So, in that sense, I’m kind of still hoping we’ll make it.

That said, I do agree with you. EFC, if we even make it there will be hard.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think if the Celtics get out of this series you’ll see Rondo come back down to normal. Your team’s defense makes him look like a superstar. But you’ve done an effective job stopping Pierce and Allen (aside from some heroics) and basically forced Boston to try to beat you with Glen Davis and Rondo. Not a bad strategy.

by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a flagrant the way this series is being called. please.

quite frankly, im suprised they called it at all, if it were LA or cleveland the game wouldve been over. no foul.

by PaintItBlack on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 AM CDT reply actions  

If it was a Bulls player it would have been called against us.

Causing Rondo to bleed? Please. He’d have been kicked out of the game for sure.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's nonsense too.

lots of fouls on pierce for example were not called.

I think neither team makes more fouls than the other, nor is there any difference in how severe the fouls are.

nor are the refs being particularly one-sided.

it’s just bad in general.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hooking him across the face and making him bleed?

You really think Rondo wouldn’t have gotten the call if it was done to him even in the last seconds? The Bulls have not made any hit even close to that severity in this series. Called or not. I guess head shots are ok now.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I play basketball

and every now and then, stuff like that just happen. unintentionally.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

whether unintentional or not its still a flagrant foul

I don’t care what the rules are in your backyard. In the NBA what Rondo did is classified as a flagrant 1.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I don’t think it was an intentional to be dirty play, but he was definately trying to foul him however he could and was not reaching at all for the ball.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

granted :)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Apr 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Miller had done that to Rondo

he would have broken his neck.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Apr 29, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is bad,

but the essential calls go against us. Rose gets hammered; no call. Salmons gets smacked: nope. Rondo runs into somebody, flails around, and throws up some crap, and it’s whistles all around.

Take your dirty win and enjoy it. Elsewhere.

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by MPG on Apr 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doug Collins made VDN's coaching apparent!

He made a couple of jabs at VDN throughout the game, but two in particular stuck out. He pointed out that the Bulls took 6 or 7 seconds to advance the ball over half court before calling timeout, when they would have just as easily called one and gotten the automatic advance. The second thing he pointed out was brilliant! VDN called for the high screen roll with gordon and noah near the end of regulation (probably because that is the only play they have). Collins pointed out that gordon does not need a screen and bringing the screen over allowed perkins to help on the play. Sure enough, gordon misses the shot.

Poor coaching again.

Also, Rose had a poor shooting night, but this looked like one of those games where on most possessions he dribbled it over half court, waited for someone to come around some screens, then passed it off and never got it back. Why is that? When the Bulls started running plays for Rose in the 4th quarter, Rose really got going. Rose could not hit a jumper, but was finishing well around the basket. Yet, Del Negro hopes that a gimpy gordon will be their savior. Ugh.

by DRose01 on Apr 29, 2009 6:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you think any coaches were telling Gordon

not to play Tony Allen like he’s Ray Allen?

I want to say this is all on Gordon, but the coaches knew Ray Allen was out and that the Celtics were playing Tony Allen for defensive purposes. On the stops, Tony is still out there and Gordon was guarding him way too close and failing to come down to help cut off the penetration from Rondo.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder that myself

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

As did Doug Collins.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Collins phrased it as Gordon not recognizing it

I’m wondering if he was even told.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

With this staff, players always get the benefit of the doubt

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I realized the difference as soon as i hit "post".

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

On that really slow TO call

I’m not sure Vinny was actually going to call one. It looked like Derrick wasn’t sure about what to do, or was expecting that he would call the TO and so was confused by that. So when Derrick comes up slow and is looking over at the bench, then Vinny decided he’d better call the TO.

Which you can blame on Vinny indirectly for conditioning the team (and us!) to expect TOs and not being prepared to run something without him calling one – but it’s not quite the same as Vinny not being sure if he did or did not want the TO and wasting time deciding.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ragging on that timeout call is stupid, in my opinion. (and I said so at the time)

Is an extra seven seconds really going to help them run a play better… or a better play? I don’t remember what it was, but I doubt they would have drawn up something more intricate that would have required the full 14 secs.

What happens if they call the timeout and advance the ball? The inbound it after the timeout and the ball-handler stands and it holds it half-court for ten or fifteen seconds.

Yeah, it showed the uncertainty of Del Negro, but I don’t think it affected the game in any way.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

were we still leading?

i guess the argument can be made that its 7 less seconds we can run, thats the only strategic reason i could muster

2nd off, I have not lived in bolingbrook for years.

by Illini0509 on Apr 29, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again, big hats off to your guys

Every day I respect the Bulls players more and more.

Great game, great series.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 29, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions  

That last play call using Miller

Was one helluva call by Vinny. That was no accident as we’ve used that play at least 2 other times in the Miller era.

Either way Brad totally f-d up though….missing the crucial FT was one thing, but then him not hitting the f-ing rim….that’s unacceptable for a 12 year former star vet.

Oh well. A very very sloppy game……and Ben looked a lot less explosive, though got the job done for the most part down the stretch.

I still think we have a chance, though that one is a killer. Through 5 games, I think we’re the better team, but I also think we’re making stupid TO’s at bad times (young)….I mean I think that last game went unhinged really with Rose’s big turnover when we were up 11 or maybe 9 in the fourth…..that was the momentum shift, and Rose’s TO there was completely unforced, a rookie mistake…

A tough tough loss, but a fun fun series.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Says ESPN and elias bureau:

Kendrick Perkins placed his name in august company with an odd accomplishment, if you can call it that, in the Celtics’ 106-104 overtime win over the Bulls. Perkins played 48 minutes without committing a personal foul. The only other starting centers to do that in an NBA playoff game were Wilt Chamberlain (five times) and Bill Russell (twice).

Yeah right! He made those fouls, man – like that foul-block on Rose. Only the refs were not calling…

by JustAnotherFan on Apr 29, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Ouch...this one hurts

A couple things…
1. D Rose (aka Baby Jesus) never looked more like a rookie all year. I blame this on Vinny of course. He wasn’t even looking at the rim or to attack the whole game. No matter what happens throughout the game, he needs to touch the ball at the end of regulation.
2. Salmons-HE IS GOING RIGHT! 2 dribbles, shoulder shake, pull up. 3 times in a row? Force him left!!!!
3. Vinny why the hell is Ty not in?
4. BG I hope you are not in a Bulls uniform next year. Entirely too selfish to play with D Rose. Good series though.
5. Kirk/Noah-awesome!

Final thought-this series ends Thursday night. Great learning experience for the guys and we showed the league we can play some ball. I’m proud of the effort, but this loss is too much.

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Is Ben Gordon hate a flaggable offense?

"Whoever was responsible for pulling that offer [to Ben Gordon] off the table...bring him before me and I'll punch him right in the face " - Frederick Pfeiffer

by Granny Waiters on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stupid Ben Gordon hate should be

[glares]

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Celtics fan I am deeply impressed by the heart of this Chicago team

Since KG went down, the C’s have been living on the edge, and getting through mostly on heart. I can recognize it when I see it, and in 4 of these 5 games, I’ve seen more heart from Chicago than i’ve ever seen in early round playoffs.

by jyrecelts on Apr 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

one thing ive noticed

in this series, is that salmons is not that great of a clutch performer…although he’s capable of hitting a good 3 @ key times in the game…he can do a Deng dissapearance. Granted, that happens when your SG dribbles a lil too much

"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One

by Belize on Apr 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Fire Vinny.

No excuse for not playing Tyrus down the stretch of this game as Rondo was getting to the hoop uncontested. I am absolutely sick of the way he manages games and lets winnable games slip away because he’s a fucking moron who can’t figure out that when you’ve got the lead, stopping the other team from scoring is what’s most important.

He coudln’t even figure out to go offense/defense in the end of the game when he actually did have the timeouts to use. Nor did he double Pierce in overtime, a blatantly obvious move is in my mind unexcuseable.

And the play they ran for Miller, an obvious flagrant but that’s been discussed ad nauseam already, had that been Tyrus the ball would’ve been dunked long before Rajon Rondo would’ve had the opportunity to foul him, I have no doubt about that.

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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not furious because there's nothing in my power

that I can do that will remove Vinny from this organization. Sadly we’ve probably got 1 more game this season, followed by a shitstorm of organizational jostling in the offseason and 20-25 games next season that are bound to be full of similar mistakes and an eventual firing.

After that, fuck who knows maybe we’ll get another “interim” coach for a little while as Gar Paxdorf “look” for a potential full-time head coach. Meanwhile the team will fight w/ whoever is put in charge and probably with each other, Derrick Rose won’t get any better because of all the “me-first” shit that goes on with this team, and we’ll go maybe 41-41 again at best.

Moral of the story: this right now is the best this team is going to be for at least a year so enjoy it now and I recommend you start drinking heavily.

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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 29, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miller needed stitches!

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by Belize on Apr 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

This whole series makes me think they're dealing Thomas in the offseason

if you can’t trust him now, why not trade him for Amare again?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

He’s upped his value with his improved play as a whole on the season, and the playoffs have shown he is a game-changer on defense, and could actually be a decent option on offense given some real instruction.

I don’t know how Tyrus could screw up any more than Brad, considering Miller played 10 less minutes and turned the ball over more.

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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Miller's a veteran!

He never screws up. Those were planned TO’s.

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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That one pass to Tyrus

Where he didn’t even control the ball, just used one hand and flicked it for an easy dunk was mind-boggling.

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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was crazy

but it was just as dangerous as other passes that got picked off. I think Dwyer said after game 4 that sometimes Miller acts like he’s a prime Bill Walton out there.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apt comparison

Though Walton and his disfigured legs could probably beat Brad in a race.

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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

To Noah for the layup?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what yfbb

I think you are right….and that’s a crying shame. Maybe we trade Tyrus along with Deng and our pick and one of the expirings…

I had the idea of losing T2….but like you said it does seem odd the way we’re using him in this series….especially with how well he was playing down the stretch thsi year.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's crazy.

big mistake, imo.

but one thing amare will do (that tyrus does not) is score at the rim. assuming he’ll still be able to see the rim, that is.

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by marionette on Apr 29, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's for Amare

and we keep Noah, I might be alright. Amare’s sensational. Say we trade Tyrus-Deng-next 2 first round picks-Jerome James’s expring deal for Amare……and some filler. That’s fine.

Rose-BG-Salmons-Amare-Noah, that’s a few championships right there. Amare will be able to be the 4 again and as Noah bulks up, his D holes aren’t going to be that glaring…..plus that’s probably the quickest lineup on O and D in the league (not that Tyrus is slow, but Amare’s incredible on O)…

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry but

nash-barbosa-deng-tyrus-shaq looks more like “championship(s)” to me. which is to say, not so much.

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by marionette on Apr 30, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think the play was for Miller at all

I think the play was for Gordon, but the Celtics hard doubled Gordon. I don’t think there defensive plans calls for leaving Miller wide open in the lane. And he was literally left wide open, it was a defensive breakdown. So the inbound guy (Rose or Hinrich) hit the wide open guy with a wide open lane to the hoop. Now if Tyrus or Noah are out there, they probably get to the hoop before the defense can react. But Miller was too slow.

by Basketball Smurf on Apr 29, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking the

Bulls knew BG would be doubled and the play was for Miller. Only problem to me is that it should have been Tyrus or Noah instead of Miller….he’s just too slow.

by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think I agree

The more I look at the replays, the more I’m thinking that it was designed for Miller. IF that was the case, nice play.

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by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can anyone explain why Vinny called no plays for Derrick to isolate for most of the game?

When Rose dominated the 4th quarter Sunday, they consistently ran screen/rolls with him and Noah/Brad with Boston switching. Rose gets a big man on him and gets to the hoop, pretty simple.

Last night, that happened only 2 or 3 times, and Rose either got to the hoop or made a shot on all of them. Way too many times they just dribbled the shot clock out and hoisted bad shots. I’m glad Salmons and BG made some really tough shots, but let’s be real some of those clutch field goals were some of the dumbest shots you’ll ever see in the NBA.

Also, Kirk can have such a good game, yet I still consider him a dumbass. Unlike Gordon, he doesn’t realize to keep looking for his shot when he’s on. There was no one to put pressure on Boston in the 4th quarter once they had the big lead, and it just wilted away.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 29, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Kirk was out getting stitches to start the 4th.

I was kind of surprised Vinny waited so long to put him back in, though. And once he was back in for the late 4th and OT, he didn’t really seem to play much of a role in the offense at all.

I actually think it’s part of the late game conditioning that frustrates me too often with the team. It’s great to have go-to guys (especially more than one) for last second shots, but the Bulls stop running their offense (whatever that might be) way too early. I loved that the last play wasn’t for Derrick or Ben, even if it wasn’t called that way but was a case of the guys on the floor realizing someone was open.

I don’t know if Kirk wasn’t feeling great after hitting his head on the floor, or just didn’t want the shot, or was trying to play within a team plan for who would get the shots in the 4th, but he passed up a couple of open shots I wish he’d have taken.

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by wjb1492 on Apr 29, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was one bright spot (don't remember if this was the 4th qtr)

where Derrick had the ball at the top of the key and Brad was coming to run a pick/roll. Derrick waved him off and had him run a down screen/pick for Fish. When Fish curled, he received a pass, and when Big Baby helped, he slipped a nice bounce pass to Miller on the baseline for a medium range jumper.

There was also a play earlier in the game where TT set a down screen for Gordon (could’ve been Fish again) and when TT’s man tried to help, TT cut to the basket, got a nice bounce pass from Rose and flushed it. If you go back to the 2nd OT on Sunday, Kirk ran a nice curl and slipped a bounce pass to Noah for a dunk.

When you consider that Perkins left Miller to help on Gordon on that last play, at some point, a good coach should be able to pick up on these kinds of tendencies throughout the game and incorporate a few counter-attack plays in those key minutes down the stretch. I agree that we don’t run anything down the stretch and its disappointing.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were a few times when there was surprisingly good passing.

And they involved John Salmons!!! If he is actually a good passer, he should start doing more of it.

OTOH, those were more “in-the-moment/team-movement” passes and not “pass-off-of-creating-your-own-shot-and-being-stopped” which is usually how the offense works. I did not recognize this team for a bit, as it actually looked like a cohesive unit.

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk was back on

the bench (from getting stitched up) when the team was up 11 points. Vinny didn’t put Kirk in until there were 5 minutes left in the 4th and the lead had dwindled away. I didn’t understand that.

by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pick n rolls on Sunday that got Rose going involved Gordon.

Whoever was guarding Gordon would switch and it often ended up being Eddie House or Ray Allen. The bigs switching with Rose happens less frequently. Of course, I don’t recall us running that DRose/Gordon pick n roll yesterday, which makes me wonder if Sunday’s moves was more a matter of DRose and Gordon improvising vs coaching strategy.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

*as opposed to coaching strategy

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotta say I’m a celtic fan (obvious from my nickname), but the Bulls are legit. You guys are younger, faster, more athletic, healthier, hungrier, have more confidence and more swagger. You guys actually had a better record over the last two months than the Celtics without KG. There is a reason three of these games have gone into OT… the Bulls legitimately are Boston’s equal without KG. Frankly this series should be over, but Ray Allen’s heroics saved Boston in one game… and Paul Pierce’s heroics saved them last night. You guys HAD this game. You were up 11 points. It was over, man. Boston is old, tired, physically and mentally toast… and yet they somehow went on a run. Then Allen gets fouled out and they STILL manage to win the game. Credit to both teams for an amazing series… but it really is a coin toss on who wins (even at this point). I fully expect it to go to 7 games… and you guys very likely will win. Rajon Rondo can’t play like Oscar Robertson every night. His uncharacteristic and otherwordly play has given Boston a punchers chance of beating the Bulls, but I think you guys are just too darn good. Had your trades happened earlier you’d probably have been a top 4 seed.

by LarBrd33 on Apr 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully

future games won’t be determined by “a punchers chance”. I’d prefer my players not getting punched more than they have.

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by cranscape on Apr 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This loss sucked. But was spectacular

Kind of like Vinnie’s coaching. I was surprised and delighted with the final inbounds play that sprung Miller. I absolutely did not expect them to break form and go away from Ben or Derrick.

Yet… boy, is there any doubt Tyrus or Noah would have jammed that puppy home? Brad is just S-L-O-W and that killed.

And, um… Pierce was the only guy left at the end and we persisted in allowing him oa one-on-one showdown against Salmons after we’d done a nice job of trapping him in the first half. What the hell.

And boy, we’ve really gone away from Rose down the stretch. I’d really liked to have seen a couple plays tailored to getting him inside.

by Sports2 on Apr 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Its been said already, but that last play was not designed for Brad

If you listen to Perkins’ post game comments, he acknowledged that he was determined not to let Gordon catch and get off an open shot. These were his commens as reported by the Globe:

“I knew they were going to Ben Gordon for the three and I knew Brad Miller was going down to pick Rondo,” Celtics center Kendrick Perkins said. “I wasn’t even looking at Rondo, I don’t know if he got screened or not. I just seen Gordon break loose to the corner, so I said I’m not letting him get that shot – all the shots he was hitting late – so I just jumped out on the three.”

Its too bad for VDN because this is a rare instance where he got some credit, but it seems more likely that his last play was so generic that the Cs overreacted and almost gave up an easy layup.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's

what the Bulls wanted Perkins to think.

by sue369 on Apr 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's plausible and if the Cs had run the play, then admittedly I might have given them the credit

Unfortunately, there’s nothing in the 82 reg seasons games + 5 post season games that leads me to believe this was the case for the Bulls. Think about it…..how could any coach anticipate that the opposing team is going to send two players towards Gordon (as opposed to switching) BEFORE he even catches the ball and assume no one will be rotating over to Miller’s man.

I think its more likely that Kirk recognized what happened quick enough to get the ball to Miller. If that play was truly by design, wouldn’t Kirk have lead Brad towards the basket on the pass (considering Brad’s speed issues) instead of passing to a stand-still Brad, who had to turn and head towards the basket.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's also possible Kirk made the right read but an imperfect pass

My take is it was probably a play designed with a few options. Gordon was probably option one, but it did look designed to have a realistic option 2 and by putting Kirk in position to make the read, give them a realistic chance of executing it if he thought it was the smart play.

by Sports2 on Apr 29, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"realistic option 2"? ---->please see the quote from Perkins posted above

Miller was that open because Perkins decided he’d rather leave him to prevent Gordon from catching and getting an open look. Perkins admitted he didn’t know if Rondo was in position or not….he just took it upon himself to go after Gordon. Given Rondo was more than a few steps from Brad when he received the pass, there’s no evidence that Rondo anticipated the help he got on Gordon. Perkins’ decision was the ONLY reason Miller was that open. Given the comments straight from the source, its more likely that Perkins left his team vulnerable by making that kind of decision. Its also likely he would have done the same thing whether TT or Noah was in the game. In his words, he felt the best play was to prevent Gordon from getting a clean look.

If there was really an option to hit Brad, I doubt both Kirk and Brad would have read it so poorly. Brad was not cutting to the basket and Kirk’s pass didn’t lead him to the basket either. As slow as Brad is, catching the ball flat-footed with your back to the basket means you weren’t expecting to get the ball.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because Perkins was determined to not let

BG get the final shot, didn’t mean that Vinny didn’t think of that and call that play.

We’ve seen that play a few times before….

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That defies all logic.

B/c there’s no way you could anticipate the big man coming free and not have a better finisher on the floor. Make no mistake about it….Brad gets minutes for his supposed decision-making (or passing), not his ability to finish plays. I know TT is frequently in the dog house, but there’s no reason not to have Noah involved on the play if you think such an opening might occur.

Again, Brad caught the ball flat footed at the foul line. If he would have turned and took a jump shot, I might have been convinced that VDN did anticipate he might be open and gave instructions accordingly. On the other hand, if VDN said “Brad, if the Cs over play Ben, look to catch and then take it to the basket” then he absolutely had the wrong guy in there for such a play.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Have you seen BG all series? BG’s been hitting all the shots and been the man with the ball at the end. Rewatch games 1, 2, 4….I’m sure Vinny and crew had some tape of what the big men from the Celtics were doing and we just didn’t take advantage before.

Also Vinny’s called this same play to close out quarters in the 2-3 weeks before the playoffs.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the way to take advantage is to pull Brad that far from the hoop?

You can’t be serious. An no I don’t remember any such out-of-bounds, end-of-quarter plays 2-3 weeks ago that were similar. I don’t want to ask you to cite the game, date, etc., but if one comes to mind, please share the game.

If there is an option in the play to get Brad the ball, why wouldn’t you have him going to the basket and have the inbound passer get him the ball on the move? Isn’t that the logic behind anticipating the defense may overplay Ben and taking advantage of it? It wasn’t like we had an inexperienced player inbounding the ball. Kirk and Brad play very well together. Why in the world would you have Brad catch the ball so far from the basket and have him try to get to their on his own?

What I do remember 2-3 weeks before the playoffs are plays where BG does get the ball coming off screens, and yesterday’s play looked like another one.

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by PeteRoc on Apr 29, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were 2 specific plays down the stretch

Not end of game, but end of 3rd and I believe half time plays, where we had Miller out about 14 feet from the right side of the rim, and BG forced the double, we passed into Miller for an easy 2 dribble layup.

Then about 4 games later Noah did the same friggin play.

And as for the get Brad the Ball going to the basket…..that would be a bit more telegraphed my friend. THis play was a damn perfect call, totally through the Celtics for a loop. They’d rather have Brad take an 18 footer and beat ’em than have BG who hits more of those game winners than anyone else in this series even Ray Ray, beat em……

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure it's a better answer

that Vinny drew up a play where Brad Miller gets the ball 18 feet from the basket.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Take the damn I hate Vinny no matter what he does lenses off. THat was a helluva play. Miller (your guy) should have gone up with 2 hands…..but that was one helluva play.

wHY? Because the Celtics were so unbelievably unprepared for it and because the play worked….took a flagrant foul non call to not make it work (along with some pure luck as Miller a good FT shooter missed that FT).

Not everything Vinny’s done is right by a long shot, but when he did something that was spot on perfect, there’s no reason to hate on that either.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's the guy you want in that position?

really? Brad looked pretty unprepared once he got the ball, too.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is that?

Brad always looks slow and ill prepared.

I’d rather have it be someone in that position. Obviously Tyrus and Noah come to mind first….but again I think given those guys’s athleticism, speed etc it might be tougher to leave them as wide open, especially Tyrus Thomas after him taking and hitting all those shots in Game 1’s OT.

Personally, I would have preferred Noah be that guy as I think he’d be an even more surprising to the Celtics guy, and he goes up strong and is quick when he’s looking to score…..but so be it.

Good play, bad result.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, I disagree that it was 'the play' at all

the play was a Gordon iso, I have little doubt.

So you’re saying Vinny drew up Gordon as a decoy knowing the Celtics would double, and then Brad Miller would be wide open 18 feet from the basket. Why are we running final plays for Brad Miller at all?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because it's unexpected

And yes I think that was clearly a play call….

We’ll agree to disagree…but it looked like there was little hesitation at all on that play.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

'nobody ever expects the spanish inquisition!'

I think you’re way off on this, but you’re right there’s no way to prove it.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a good play.

I don’t like that Miller had it, but it says something that even Miller could get from the 3-point line to the rim without asingle guy getting to him [until the foul].

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by Prevenge on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been an awesome play if it was called correctly.

Two shots and the ball out of bounds. That could have been a game winning play thanks to Rondo’s decision to be dirty. Even if he wasn’t flagrantly fouled and finished the play clean he probably would have made it and sent us into another OT. Either result was good. Who knew the refs sucking would be the third option.

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by cranscape on Apr 30, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have?

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by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read above

Yes at least twice, not at game end situations but shot clock violations and/or end of the 2nd or 3rd quarter situations at least twice in the past month if not sooner.

Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.

by majoyenrac on Apr 30, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

On balance

One of the Bull’s better coached games. I usually don’t like BG isolation on the last play because he rarely scores, but with the way everyone else was shooting and the clutch shots BG made in the 4th, I thought it was the right call.
Whether called from the bench or not, the pass to Miller was the right play because he was open. It was also better to have Miller in because that was more likely to be a jump shot. When the C’s parted like the Red Sea, Miller made the right play by going to the basket. If Rose or BG had drawn a foul while shooting we would have been ecstatic.
The other really good move was going small in the 2d qrtr. Big Baby has no low post game so he could be guarded by a guard, and Baby couldn’t handle Salmons on d. I also liked waiting to use the small lineup in the second half to give the C’s less time to adjust. It worked again to get us the 11 point lead.
All that said, there’s no excuse for not getting the ball out of Pierce’s hands down the stretch.

by El Toro de Goro on Apr 29, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Prediction, none of this matters....

because the Cavs have been chosen by the NBA to win the finals as Lebron is the ambassador to the NBA now. The Lakers are a better team than the Cavs, but will still lose.

by 949CubsFan on Apr 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

then why follow the league?

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T. Jose Caldeford
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MSM NBA blogs:

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