Breaking from KC Johnson: Gordon "Iffy" For Game Five Tonight
Damn it. Damn it. Damn it.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and it will be a Pierce/Rondo typer injury.
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
that's what I figure
he’s learning from the best. Bring out the Dwayne Wade ceremonial wheelchair!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
if true
it’s smart marketing on his part. if he played well, he gets all the “heroic” fawning from the national media…in case any GM out there is already developing wood for him.
I doubt Ben is playing this up...
…Hanley was just on ESPN and he made a good point. He noted that Ben is usually a straight shooter whenever he says something (which is true) and he rarely, if ever, plays possum. He felt that Ben was being completely truthful about his health. I don’t think this is a Paul Pierce situation.
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 28, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
What about thumb injures last preseason?:)
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Toe you mean?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
yeah, i posted a thing
from bulls.com in the main update thread.
:-/
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I got a feeling he may still go.
I say start Hinrich regardless and see what BG has. God I hope he can go tonight.
It might be wise to rest him
Hopefully he’s able to go at the UC. Either way you’ve got to win one at Boston. This also provides the opportunity to see life without Gordon. You know “Kurt” will do a better job fighting through the screens and it will force the Celtics to change up a little. But the offense could be ugly.
I say let him sit this one out and pray he is ready to go on Thursday
There is no way he is going to be able to chase Allen around on a bad wheel. Hopefully Kirks defense will offset some of the offensive loss. Rose already has a ton on his shoulders… but if anything is going to happen tonight it will be on him to find his teammates open looks and attack like crazy.
oh… and please God let Kirk and Salmons find their shot early tonight…
If the celtics go small… does roberson see some action?
how bout some roberson
remember, 104.91 PER!!!!
Yeah I kind of agree
There is a weird part of me that wants to let BG haters see how bad things may be without him. But of course I want him to play. If he doesn’t we will get to see how Rose plays with the whole load on his shoulders. I think Ben will suit up and may come play in spurts. I hope
I'm optimistic. I want to see how good they can be w/o him.......
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by tyger1147 on Apr 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't
I want to see how good they can be right now, and win the game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 14 recs
recced....
fuck seeing how it will look next year without him….its the fuckin playoffs. we need to win this game people….. he needs to suit up and play….
Seriously.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Can I rec this more than once?
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You can have mine
how about that?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Teamwork...
I like it!
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 28, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of want this.
It’s a perfect time to test the theories. I’d love, LOVE, LOVE for the Bulls to win in the playoffs without Gordon. He’s a truly exciting player and one of the best clutch shooters in the league, but he’s going to cost money the Bulls don’t want to spend… which means someone would be shipped out.
I just hope it doesn’t mean 20 shots for Hinrich and 30 for Salmons. I might have to punch someone then.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Yeah, If BG is out or only plays a few minutes
Then Kirk and Salmons will get a lot of shots, as I expect the Celts to turn the screws hard to D-Rose.
Someone will have to be available to create their own shot, and without BG doing that and Rose being draped on, I’m not sure who can do that other than Salmons…. Kirk possibly.
Someone better grow BG style balls and throw their bodies in the lane for some drive & kicks.
"Remember, I'm Italian".
i think you are severely overestimating our chances without him tonight
although i would personally do everything to resign him, i can at least understand the argument for not resigning him. however, for tonight with the options being either rose hinrich and salmons playing basically all 48 minutes, or giving substantial time to lindsey and/or roberson and/or linton, we have basically no shot. remember, if gordon leaves we would conceivably replace him with 1 or 2 players who are at least serviceable rotation guys. lindsey, roberson, and linton are not.
Well my friend...
That’s what it would be. i hope you enjoyed John Salmons tossing in buzzer beating prayer shots last game because he’s going to have to step up in this one. Also this is no time for Kirk to go on one of his “Oh my God I forgot how to shoot” and the undereported ‘Oh my god I can’t dribble" game. We need him to be the guy he was against Miami in ’06. Everyone is going to have to cover for BG tonight but I still feel like we can win this thing.
that's pretty perverse thinking
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's new?
OTOH, if they get blown out by 20 or 30, and he comes back and has one more big game, it will be hard for them not to sign him. Big picture!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I'm resigned to knowing nothing matters between now and then
it’ll be a negotiation, and resigning Gordon has zero to do with basketball.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
*way to use 'resigned' in two different ways, me!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I suppose that's true.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I think he's done enough already to warrant a
“we really fucking need this guy” talk between JR and Gar Paxdorf…
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe Thomas as a 10-13 night with 6-7 FT's or something.
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and that proves what?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
it makes me happy?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
If Thomas does that, they can win the game.
That’d be swell.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Oh and one more thing...
I’ve been hearing lately that BG doesn’t compliment Rose that well. Well we’ll see how much space is out there on that floor tonight for Rose to go in isolation against defenders. Bg demands double teams 20-30 feet away from the basket which enables Rose the space to operate. Hinrich and Salmons don’t. That’s the benefit of BG that no one talks about.
and that gordon can do more offensively than just stand there and hit open shots
this is the kind of thinking that put the hornets in the position that they are now in; they thought “hey if we can just get swingmen around paul who can hit open 3’s, then thats all we need.” now they’re realizing that maybe it helps to have a perimeter player around the great pg who can do more than just hit 3s offensively
by Calogero on Apr 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
That’s exactly what’s wrong with the Hornets. They have the ultimate distributor in the game, people who can hit open shots, and a couple of hustle players. Denver proved that by effectively taking Paul out of the game, New Orleans is unable to score.
Salmons is the only other player on the Bulls who can consistently create a shot, and he can opt out after next year. Deng, Thomas, and Noah all need help to get good shots. I’m not looking forward to seeing Rose kill himself every game like Paul, put up all-star numbers, just so the Bulls can win 45 and get ousted from the first round every year.
That said, if the Bulls can find a big man who can create his own offense consistently, i’m willing to part with Gordon. Its kind of stupid to pin all of the Bulls hopes on a Bosh trade however.
yeah someone has to go
but that doesn’t have to mean we lose this game. Let’s deal with that when the seasons over.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I don't want to see John Salmons take 25 shots
And there is no way in hell they can win without Gordon. Unless Kirk Hinrich has a truly throwback performance and Rose has another Game 1 outing, they would get clobbered.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You need to understand that the theories will just re-arrange themselves around the result
No BG and the Bulls lose:
- Well, the Celts were favored anyway and BG wouldn’t have helped.
- BG could have played and he was just gold-bricking! Team Cancer! Selfish! selfish! He was angling for more money! Doesn’t care about the team!
BG and the Bulls lose:
- See… he’s no good! He played and we lost anyway.
- See… he hurt us out there! He was selfish to try and play!
No BG and the Bulls win:
- See… he’s crap and if it weren’t for him and his stinky play we’d already have swept those crummy Celtics! Thank god he finally got hurt. His health has held this team back for years.
BG and the Bulls win:
- Yeah, but he still wasn’t the reason they won. He only scored 37 points and developed a swine flu vaccine at half-time. We need more from our shooting guards!
by Sports2 on Apr 28, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
I probably should have said more that “At least I will have a better sense of what I might expect next year.” (meaning, nothing can really be gleaned by it.)
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If Ben can't go or is at 70% the Bulls are in deep doo doo.
Kirk has been very effective off the bench, but without Gordon wearing out Allen with his constant off the ball movement, it makes their offense much better and the Bulls lose 6 fouls.
Of course, we can always counter with that explosive force off the bench, Lindsey Hunter. Is it possible that Roberson can actually contribute, maybe hit some 3’s and play some defense? If he couldn’t get floor time for the Knicks, I don’t hold much hope for the Bulls chances with him on the court.
Whatever happens, I fear Vinny’ may feel he needs TiT to play more because of his 3 point range, and in VDN’s eyes, ability to provide spacing. The fact that his shot selection is worse than TT and he plays no defense does not paint a pretty picture for game 5.
If Ben would benefit more by resting, than I think they should do their best and concentrate on winning game 6 at home.
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Like I said before, we're fucked without BG
no chance we’re going to win if he doesn’t play tonight. Even if he takes rests on the defensive end, which he does anyway, he’s still very much needed to space the floor and provide the outside threat (that actually goes in, unlike the threat that’s just a threat in Salmons) that the Celtics will have to respect.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Another thing
groin or no groin (possible?) Salmons needs to realize he hasn’t done shit (offensively) through this entire series and he needs to step it up. I don’t want to sit through another 3-13 night as BG sits out and we get blown out to “Noah Sucks!” chants…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Exactly
And that’s what amazes me about the people who say Salmons brings more to the table and can easily slide into the 2 spot. These playoffs have proved to me that he’s a nat’s wing better than Larry Hughes. I mean seriously what has he done that is any different on the court. He takes the same bad shots and the same amount. He better step up tonight because he’s completely been given a pass so far in these playoffs.
I don't understand
all the people who say Salmons fits this team perfect. He is a classic one on one jump shooter who can’t shoot without dribbling. I’ve seen many times Rose passes to him and he is wide open, then dribbles and lets the defense catch up. He does the same move every time right before he shoots (ball in left hand, little shake and shoot). He’s made some big shots for us this series but he’s taken many awful shots.
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by tyrus4prez on Apr 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"He is a classic one on one jump shooter"
that DOES fit our team perfectly :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He sure made Paul Pierce
look like a cone when he drove around him for the reverse dunk last game…but PP is pretty slow. Other than that I haven’t seen any sort of passing from Salmons, not even so much as a ball reversal. Watch tonight and count how many times he gets the ball and players immediately grab their knees and watch as he chucks up some garbage.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You shouldn't tell people that.
Once you’re looking for it, you never DON’T see it. It’s horrible.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Ha you're probably right
but I’ll be happy if I’m wrong because that means we might be winning. And I just looked it up, Salmons has recorded a grand total of 6 assists through 4 games and 161 MP. Compare that to our other guards:
BG: 7 Assists – 176 Minutes
Kirk: 11 – 108
Rose: 29 -165
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If everyone cherishes Rose
Then they better hope Ben stays because without that spacing on the floor, the kid is going to have a lot on his plate next season
Not if we get Steph Curry! :)
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Smiley face indicates my lack of seriousness
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on the Curry Train!
Chooo Choooooo!!!
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Um, how
he is projected to go in the top ten
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
See: 3 comments up
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
ha got it
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 28, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Damn, this blows. Someone please tell me if I’m crazy for thinking this, but I would like to see Roberson get a few of those minutes. I’m sure Hinrich and Rose will both end up playing like 45 minutes a piece anyway, but who knows, maybe Roberson can hit a couple threes. Better than watching Lindsey Hunter again…
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i actually agree
if BG can’t go i’d rather try roberson than hunter. like you said, maybe roberson can throw in a couple threes then go sit back down. we know what were getting with hunter, and that is essentially nothing
Roberson? Seriously?
Why don’t we just suit up DeMarcus Nelson and let Aaron start at center?
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
nah, you're crazy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
OK fine
but another guard is gonna play 5-10 minutes whether we like it or not and I think Roberson>Hunter. I don’t see why that’s such crazy thinking.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's gonna be Tim Thomas
unfortunately.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
now that i think about it
your probably right. I guess they’d play TiT a few minutes at the 3 and slide salmons to the 2 to give kirk and derrick a bit of a rest. and really, TiT would be providing the same thing i was hoping for from roberson anyway, which is just maybe they can throw in a 3 or 2.
that's how I see it, plus maybe some Tyrus at the 3
unfortunate but a better result than Roberson/Nelson/Hunter.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Timmy's probably
already at the UC walking around the court saying to himself “…then I’m gonna make a three from ::points:: here, and here and hell, maybe even one from ::walks up 2 rows into stands:: here if I’m really on fire”
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
added bonus of more tim tonight
maybe we can see the reappearance of the “i cant feel my face” celebration
and by UC I meant the TD Banknorth whatever the hell it's called...
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus at the three scares me in this series
I think Pierce would have him fouled out of the game in about 2 minutes. Tyrus would be seeing shot fakes in his sleep for a month.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And something that's being really overlooked is Hinrich
and his ability (or inability) to stay on the floor. Hinrich shows zero restraint when it comes to realizing that he CANNOT make stupid fouls. And we’re gonna count on this guy for 40+ minutes? What if he gets two stupid fouls in the first couple minutes? Totally not out of the realm of possibility. The Tim Thomas/Tyrus Thomas thing only works if it’s for a short amount of time. Anything more than a few minutes and I think Vinny plays a real guard. And I think Roberson is the best option
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
that'll be huge
If he does get into foul trouble (I don’t think it’s stupid fouls, he plays defense by grabbing and his effectiveness depends on what’s allowed) then lots o’ lindsey.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
this is one reason I think Hinrich is better as a back up
He can come in and play that reckless D and not worry about fouls. Plus, this is the freshest I’ve seen Hinrich at this point in the season ever. Hopefully he has enough restraint to not foul – but he hasn’t shown that restraint before.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that has as much to do with missing 31 games
as with playing 5-10 minutes less per game.
And let me just point out one more time – last game everyone else in the rotation had more fouls than Kirk, who played 43 minutes and got called twice.
That said, if the refs decide to call everything (a la game 2), we’re screwed anyway, and it won’t just be Kirk racking the fouls up.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
but you seriously can't argue that Kirk has not een racked
with early foul problems in many, many games throughout his career. He didn’t get called for a ton last game, but he does have a history of picking up 2 quick fouls in the 1st quarter of games. Its happened too many times to deny.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He gets called for fouls because he plays physical defense
You can’t be a good defender without fouling a lot, and he just doesn’t have the reputation to get away with it. The stupid fouls are just as rare as the BG turnover. Once it happens, people never want to let go of it.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i didn't classify his fouls as stupid. He just has the habit of picking
up a couple in a row. And it hurts more, if BG is out.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's up to the refs, not Kirk
He has to play his strong defense, if the refs are going to call bullshit stuff, then we’re screwed regardless.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the refs have been pretty consistent for three years now on how they call Kirk
He gets in trouble because starting in 06 the league started calling the hand checks he excelled at much more frequently.
Unfortunately, that was some his best work as a defender. He’s still a good defender, i think, but it’s taken away from his game and imposed a bit of penalty on it.
its not bullshit stuff though
as Sports 2 points out, they aren’t letting the same amount of contact go on the perimeter. I think Hinrich is one of the players allowed to be a bit more physical on the perimeter. i don’t think he gets a bunch of unfair calls.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And there are many many more games he hasn't
I’m sure that all the guys will be conscious of trying not to pick up fouls, but unfortunately in basketball there’s another part to the equation. Knowing how thin the rotation is, I have no doubt that he will be conscious of not fouling. He may get in foul trouble anyway.
Obviously it would be much, much better to have everyone healthy and available. If Ben can go, I’m sure he’ll try and do the best he can with the injury. If he can’t go, Kirk will play and try to have a great game. In a one game situation anything is possible.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
thanks Knute Rockne
i’m sorry KU grads. I’ll go back to praising Kirk for all the good he does in the world
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The point is
There is very little consistency in this from game to game. I think it’s highly overreacting to act like Kirk is a foul waiting to happen.
And I like how a conversation specifically about foul issues suddenly turns into a “Kirk is god” thing.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
If yu complement Kirk Hinrich you are in a cult
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
indeed.
It’s called ‘Iowa’. It’s a scary thing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He was so close to being a Timberwolf!
why oh why oh why. Sure, Rodney Carney would be playing 2 tonight, but damnit I wouldn’t have Sue in my life. It’s a tight race in terms of consequences.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowans are meek.
Sue369 excepted.
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by Granny Waiters on May 2, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
what do you think we should do if bg can't go?
(other than a lot of praying)
48 mins apiece for kirk, rose and salmons? spot mins for hunter? a few minutes for TiT at the 3?
Pray
Pray that Rose is ready to do what he did in game 1 and have a definative performance. Not any of this 19,10, and 9 stuff. I mean go out there and put up 35 and own this game. That’s what it is going to take
Yep
It’s gonna take an incredible Rose performance to get this game. I hope he’s up to the task.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Worst Case Scenario
What’s Demarcus Nelson’s deal? Does this guy even attend games?
Well, I hope Derrick enjoys even more pressure to perform
If Ben doesn’t play the best move would be to just throw Hinrich out for 38-40 minutes and hope he can drain a ton of jumpers. He’s not going to beat Allen off the dribble (and if he does, he’ll just brick routine layups).
Dare I sound like a crazy person, but I think they should go to Tyrus early and often. He gives me a stomach ache half the time, but they need production from somewhere else, even if Gordon plays tonight.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
i agree
high pick and rolls with tyrus and rose. if they double or hedge hard on rose tyrus can actually do something with the ball from 17 feet, and hopefully he’ll step up and do it. think of that play in the 1st quarter the other day when they ran a screen roll adn tyrus took one dribble and passed to noah for a dunk.
Tyrus can't set the pick w/o moving/fouling
Noah does it way better. Tyrus is better as a 3rd option out of that roll going up for an oop from Rose or a bounce pass/dunk play.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
judging by all the moving screens ive seen each team get away with this series
i’ll take my chances that they don’t call it. and while i do agree that generally tyrus is better as that 3rd option off the pick and roll, in this series he’s been really ineffective on the baseline because of how big/fat perkins and big baby are. i think if BG isnt around we’ve got to try something different from tyrus to get him more involved
Rose isn't ready to throw oops in the half-court
He has done it maybe 5 times the whole season. Also, Tyrus rolling to the basket is not something I would ever count on. The Celtics are living and dying with Big Baby knocking down those jumpers, Chicago might as well take the same mentality with Tyrus.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He can make the running floater in the 1/2 court
that has to be easier than throwing up an oop right? Just get it high enoug hand TT will go get it!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Can Loul Deng
come back for just one game please??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
he might
if the whole team sports the Britain National team’s uniforms for a night!
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 28, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not with his achy Vajayjay.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
har har
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
We can win without BG
I’d rather have him not play than play injured. The fact is sometimes BG doesn’t show up when he ISN’T injured so playing without production from him won’t be a big shock. We will need Hinrich, Salmons and Rose to all perform at the top of their game to steal one though. If Boston keeps playing down to our level we should be in for another tight game.
This maybe an update . . .
Meanwhile, Chicago has been operating without starting forward Luol Deng and now faces the prospect of playing without another high scorer on Tuesday. Though Ben Gordon has said he’ll play despite straining his right hamstring in Game 4’s double-overtime classic, it’s possible he’ll be too limited to contribute much.
i doubt that's an update
hollinger’s per diem is usually more of an opinion piece than actual reporting. i dont see how he would have a better idea than KC of what BG feels like
well he says "has"
not “is saying he’ll play.” im guessing he’s referring to what was being said yesterday after the mri
Yeah, he was saying that after the game Sunday
Today he’s saying he needs a miracle.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
This is bad
pivotal home game for boston, if hinrich starts what are the chances he gets two quick fouls before the first quarter is over, id say quite high…..damn
The only way we can win is if d.rose decides to go krazy (yes…with a k) and put up a similar performance as the one in game 1, while hinrich continues playing great defense while knocking down open shots, and salmons brings his a game….
yea this isnt good at all…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
BG needs some of that Celtics special healing powers
Those guys get carted off in wheel chairs, and come hopping back. They ice their ankles on-court, BEFORE the games. I’m pretty sure Miller stabbed Rondo when he showed on a pick in the 3rd quarter. Somehow Rondo was able to pick himself off the floor, heal, and knock down a couple of free throws. The Celtics put Wolverine to shame.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We should be fine without BG
BG’s made some huge shots, but he’s also a big reason why Allen’s averaging 25.3ppg with a 68.6 TS% the last three games. Hinrich’s had a better APM each of the last three seasons and he’s played well alongside Rose this year.
Our bench will be thin (although I’d like to see some Hunter on Rondo as Hollinger suggested, sparingly), and if we’re down 3 with 9 seconds left again, we’re screwed. But we should be fine, especially if it’s just one game.
It's not Hinrich >/= Gordon; it's Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>> TiT, Roberson, Hunter
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Well that's why I said "if it's just one game"
Rose and Hinrich can both play 43 minutes. Give 10 to Lindsey Hunter and we’re fine. If Tim Thomas has to play 5 minutes to give Salmons a breather in the 3rd, that’s okay too.
If we’re without Gordon the rest of the series though, I agree with you.
Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter for 10 minutes.
And you can’t assume Rose and Hinrich will play at the same level for that extra 8 minutes or so. There IS a reason they give guy’s breathers, of course. They might, but counting on it doesn’t make it so.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
All true, but you can't assume
Tim Thomas will be a bum for 10 minutes either. There’s a ton of uncertainties and the Bulls could lose by 20 or win by 20. But stats-wise over 48 minutes though, we aren’t losing much with Gordon out of one game.
Yes, they are.
The games have been close. Stats-wise Gordon >>>>>>>>>>> TiT + Lindsey Hunter
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Porn Name
I just remembered TiT Hunter was my porn name.
by El Toro de Goro on Apr 28, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an example of stats making me want to bang my head against a wall
I mean, I like them, but…have you even watched this series?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Yeah I remember Gordon hitting big shots when we needed it
Over the course of 48 minutes though he’s been okay. One huge game for him, and three straight good games by Ray Allen. I think we’re still about as good, we just can’t afford to be down 3 late in games now.
I also think you're overlooking how much this decimates our "depth,"
which we didn’t have much of already. Then again, you actually like Tim Thomas so it’s probably a pointless argument here.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
i just ignored his comment
in a series where 3 games have been decided on the final possession, to say its not a big deal to lose your best scorer, 3 pt shooter and best end game shot maker is just asinine.
Not to mention the fact that we need Kirk to guard Pierce and Rondo already. Now he has to chase around Allen too.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you can't really believe that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
damn it ... i was having a good day too
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
Outta curiosity
Is that 23 a new addition to the BaB logo, or has it just appeared recently? Cuz I don’t ever remember seeing it despite looking at it many many times.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i believe its been there for a while
but I could be wrong
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
It's always been there
The more you notice it, the more it’s so out of place.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it possible they darkened the basketball and 23 more or something?
I noticed IC’s (Indy Cornrows) changed too.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It definitely looks bigger/bolder/darker...or something.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
That is so weird
It’s not like I haven’t been coming to Blog a Bull for, well, a couple of years dating to back to 2005 on a rare occasion. And I’ve never noticed it until today. I feel shame.
And yeah, Ozzie, I think you’re absolutely right about the # being out of place.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
did you just buy a better monitor?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Although my laptop view is better than my old desktop was. But, I noticed this TODAY. I’ve been on Blog a Bull at least a 100 times since I’ve gotten my new laptop. (At least that many.)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Damnit, I hadn't noticed it before.
Now I had to go look for it, and now it’s going to bug me. :(
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I could have sworn there wasn't a basketball or 23 there before
Which shows you what I know. (I did notice the “special” helmet though.)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The helmet thing always reminded me of those plastic vikings hats
Either our bull is a football fan or really likes the viking ship ride at amusement parks, I guess.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Either way isn't it just a cow in disguise?
Full disclosure though, I did not grow up anywhere near a farm.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a cow with a Bull Helmet (and Sacramento has tons of cows nearby I can promise you that)
That’s part of the joke I suspect.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
OT
Make a fanshot! :)
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Next time I suppose....
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
sorry...not buying it at all
Gordon plays and plays most the game tonight
by celticinorlando on Apr 28, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions
Why, did Pierce lend Gordon the magical wheelchair on Sunday?
Or did Rondo dole out some of his magical hero juice that allows him to sprain his knee every game yet still play like Magic Johnson?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
not Rondo's
fault Chicago can’t stop him despite a bad ankle…don’t think hero juice has anything to do with it
by celticinorlando on Apr 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks doctor..
there is a difference between being injured and playing hurt…maybe Gordon just needs a night off…but i expect him to start and this all to be a big bluff by the Bulls
by celticinorlando on Apr 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
too big of game for
him not to play IMO
by celticinorlando on Apr 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess a Celtics fan
would know injury bluffing when they see it. If we cart Gordon to the locker room a few times tonight he will come out just fine. Put it in a music video for half time. Golden.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
If the game were at the UC they could play the Rocky theme and everything.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
don't forget to...
talk about destiny, and this being his ‘time’. that’s super important.
The Future is Unwritten
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Dude, you have no idea how painful it was to ignore the Celtics from 1988-2007
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean they were still in the NBA?
I thought they were a D-League team.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 28, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No, just had the fanbase of one
::Understands the irony of insulting fair weather fans, still funny::
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone else laugh at Hollinger?
Meanwhile, Chicago has been operating without starting forward Luol Deng and now faces the prospect of playing without another high scorer on Tuesday.
Not that I don’t miss Lu, but “high scorer” made me chuckle.
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen. - Gene Wojciechowski
A recipe for a game 5 win without BG
1. Attack the basket, get the Celtics’ bigs in foul trouble.
2. Make the free throws
3. Run, run, run and run some more
4. Attack the basket, get the Celtics’ bigs in even more foul trouble
5. Make the free throws
6. Keep running
I’m hopeful that with the 2OT game Sunday, the travel back to Boston and only 1 day between games will tire out the old Celtics. The Bulls are probably the most athletic team in the NBA (referring to pretty much everyone in the rotation aside from Miller), and they’d be smart to keep it a running game if possible. Even if that doesn’t translate into a win tonight, it should only help for game 6.
This is sort of the problem
for a two-guard, Hinrich is terrible at those things.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
actually as a point he's not good on the break either
at least not aggressive. He’s the type to not risk the transition pass to keep TOs low. Which is fine, but not jiving with the running strategy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Except
if you remember in game 3, Big Baby beat BG to a loose ball, and then dribbled past him from half court to score a break away dunk. The Celtics are not as old and slow as we wish they were. Its been their running game that has had US back on our heels. You’d be surprised how fast Pierce and Allen are when they’re out ahead of a break. Our transition defense and defensive rebounding will be the key to a victory, BG or no BG.
That was game three.
Was anything going right for us? Was anything going wrong for them? Neither of them will play that way again. Running is still our best option. They will slow down before we will in a long series.
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My keys:
- Rose play aggressive. Look to Noah under the basket and Salmons and Kirk on the wings, but otherwise take all of Gordon’s shots that you want. Better you than someone else.
- Make free throws.
- Improve 3pt shooting. In the last game we hardly took any.
- Kirk, make a freak’n layup in transition please. You will have to tonight.
- Get Celtics Bigs in foul trouble early.
- Rebound.
- Run.
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BG isn't that great on the break either
all he does is stop at the 3pt line whether he has the ball or not, and even if he does have the ball you never really see him look to pass. Rose, Noah and Thomas are the ones I was thinking of mostly. Tire out the Celtics, and then they’d be more prone to committing fouls, putting the Bulls in the penalty earlier in quarters.
I’m not saying that they’ll win the game, just that I don’t really see it happening any other way.
"all he does is stop at the 3pt line whether he has the ball or not,"
that’s just not true.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see his 3pt% on the break
The numbers may prove me wrong, but he seems to knock a lot of those down (of course they’re usually wideopen shots which makes sense)
He sure does
He’s an assassin in those situations, when the shot is in rhythm. The Bulls will miss that weapon if he doesn’t play, so they should focus on getting to the rim.
Wait, then why is that a bad thing?
confused
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
To clarify
My point is that BG is not essential to running in transition effectively. As stated above, the Bulls really need to control the glass and look for opportunities to run pretty much every possession.
well your point about attacking the C's bigs
is certainly hampered with Hinrich instead of Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich lays the ball up like I do.
Drive, open lane, up, off the backboard, miss without touching rim!
Especially bad in 21, I’ve gotta say.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
HA!
I screw up layups on fast breaks too often….although mine do the roll on the rim before rimming out…most annoying feeling in the world….;)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Shut up
Hinrich’s missed bunnies put the fear of Sue in the Celtics.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember when we had too much depth in the backcourt?
I would rather have Thabo than draft pick right now…or at least a healthy Deng, so Salmons could assume his role as starting two guard tonight. Alas, look for Kirk to play big minutes…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
"I would rather have Thabo than draft pick right now"
If Thabo could’ve been punted on draft day, I agree. Not worth taking that chance.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Good news!
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Except for that tiny part where we now have to listen to Cs fans talk about
knowing he would play all along.
Basketball/game-wise, definitely good to have him available tonight.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
6th Man
I think a likely scenario is that BG sits at the start and the juices get flowing as the game gets going. Then he comes in, in his natural role… 6th man assassin. I think he kills it from there. Or maybe.
I’ve not been a Gordon fan (height, turnovers, D), but these last two months have convinced me that he’s really a great player. We can surely use him tonight.
Was at both games at the UC. If I never have to watch Paul Pierce play in person again, I will be happy. For that reason alone, I won’t be at game 6 (maybe).
like i said 2 hours ago
no way ben lets the spotlight leave him because of a little hamstring problem
by celticinorlando on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, he isn't enough of a team player to sit on the bench
And swear like he’s in a Scorsese film.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon will tonight!
Thank God . . .
Bulls Head Coach Vinny Del Negro disclosed to reporters in his pregame interview session that Ben Gordon will start Thursday’s Game 5 in Boston. Stay tuned for more details as they become available.
And yes, I saw Sue’s post above but just wanted see it for myself














