Bulls 121, Celtics 118 (2OT): Bulls outlast Celtics and tie the series
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT
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I actually knew the result of this game (and some of the key plays) before sitting down to watch it. If I hadn't know the Bulls had won, I likely would've been way too intense over missed FTs and poor defense in clutch situations. Or too pumped after some unbelievable shots by the Bulls guards (with Derrick Rose being simply amazing in the 4th quarter). But forget the calm, I wish I could've seen it live, as despite some more sloppy play, it was another classic from these two teams.
There were a few situations where the Bulls could've put the game away in regulation, but overtime wasn't the worst result for them as it exposed the difference in depth between these two teams. Mikki Moore had nothing but a foul and a block in 9 minutes. Stephon Marbury had 2 points in over 5 minutes. Tony Allen managed to post a +/- of -12 in 3:07 of floor time with his only box score contribution being a costly turnover. Brian Scalabrine fouled out in 18 minutes, though perhaps most importantly he had to play 18 minutes in the first place, with Kendrick Perkins fouling out before the end of the 4th period. With 6 periods in this game it made a huge difference to see the very soft Celtics bench have to log major time.
The Celtics big man depletion allowed Vinny to play 4 guards for most of both overtimes, a strategy that would usually have me screaming bloody murder but worked in this matchup. Boston's only post-playing big was Davis, a matchup I'll take against Noah (a perfect big to complement small-ball). All of Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, and Salmons made plays, and the Celtics were not able to punish them on the other end. A more conventional lineup including Tyrus Thomas could've worked too, but Tyrus was not playing smart in this shot selection for much of the game and the fear of his absence meaning getting pounded on the glass was not there. Credit to Vinny for this recognition. And kudos to Brad Miller for getting in foul trouble as a way to force Vinny to resist leaving him out there to die. (also, kudos for hitting Davis in the face. Man, I love Brad Miller)
With the Bulls owning a clear talent advantage in extra time, they were able to eventually outlast the Celtics, by spreading the floor and having their guards attack one-on-one (surprise, I know. But that is what this team is and it's not changing soon). With the help of some lucky shots on their end (John Salmons especially) and some lucky misses from the Celtics (Davis missing a couple gimmees, and going 4-16 overall. That's the Davis I know and like seeing get hit in the face!), The Bulls climbed out of a scary hole in the first OT (huge BG game-tying 3-pointer) and then a relatively underwhelming 11-8 advantage in the 2nd OT.
But more important than a late-game play here or there going either way is the fact that we have 3 out of 4 games being razor-close. The blowout was the anomaly, and the Bulls are still in this series.
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Don't Forget
this means the Bulls will likely be finishing in the United Center
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hats off to you guys
my respect for the Bulls in general has increased threefold this series
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Apr 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My appreciation for Rondo has gone up 10-fold
My plot to drop a large boulder on Kendrick Perkins remains intact, however.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
large boulder = Aaron Gray
I would be in favor of this.
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by Big D on Apr 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for sure
That’s a great point. At the begining of the 07/08 season I thought Rondo would hold them from winning the title. At the begining of this season I thought if one of the big 3 was out for extended time (KG) he would go back to being a middle of the pack pg.
After this series I found myself questioning what Chris Paul does better. – shoot and pass, but Rondo is a better defender ( better on ball and equal going for steals), and a better rebounder.
I think Chris Paul was last PG to average a triple double for a series and before that Jason Kidd then Kevin Johnson? Magic?
by Jscho316 on Apr 26, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul never did
I believe only Magic, Oscar Robertson and Jason Kidd have.
by misterx2day on Apr 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed on both accounts
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the Roadrunner when you need it?
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Bulls
won 2-3 razor-close games. One away and one at home. We are pretty much starting with a clean slate if further injury doesn’t hit us.
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's new new series now.
best of 3.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda cool Joe Morgan was talking Bulls Celtics on
baseball tonight. How Rondo and Rose are fun to watch.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That might be
the smartest sports-related thing Joe Morgan has said in 15 years!
by torch on Apr 27, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is hard to have fun
… watching a team that plays such dumb basketball. Team defense was terrible – Ray Allen was open all afternoon (I am ready to see what Tim Thomas can do against him), Rondo went wherever he wanted on the floor and enjoyed several uncontested lay-ups in key situations, and there was no answer for Perkins until he fouled out.
Tyrus is an total basketball dumbass, it’s amazing that a person could play basketball all his life and make it to the NBA with such a low basketball IQ. Because he is unable to develop this part of the game, he reached his ceiling as a player; and he needs to be moved while he still has some value.
Also, in the long run, you can’t have both Gordon and Salomns on the floor at the same time, because neither player ever passes. So whether Rose swings the ball left or right, the defense can just overcrowd that side of the court, and force a terrible shot most of the time.
The bright spot is Noah, who played well defensively and was smart on offense. And, more than any other Bull (except for Miller) he seems to understand how to take advantage of playing with Rose.
And while Rondo is the best point guard in this series by a fair margin, it is wonderful watching Rose grow playing against him. Today he responded to the challenge and matched Rondo on the glass with 11 boards, in addition to his brilliant scoring spree in the 4th quarter.
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus's stunt at the end of regulation
about had me putting my fist through the screen. Vinny needs to treat Tyrus like a child learning the stop, drop and roll—— rebound, look, pass. Running only makes the fire worse!
by Stacy King's Dogs on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patient is dead
I just can’t imagine there is a cure for this guy…
How many times do you think coaches told him to give the ball to the point guard on the fast break, then keep running and get himself a monster dunk? No, he has to dribble his ass into trouble every other time, with Derek running next to him.
That’s just basic stuff. If he can’t get that, how can you ever explain to him what is a good shot, or how to maintain defensive position? I mean, he gets a lot of blocks and steals, but whenever he doesn’t make a highlight play, he is usually way out of position, being a liability for what the team is trying to do.
And that play in the end of regulation – oh my God!
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh prepare for the TT apologists to go apeshit over that comment.
by jmogs on Apr 26, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cant take someone too seriously who spells rose's name wrong
and tyrus did a lot of good and a lot of bad things today, but to bitch about him not giving it to rose at the end of regulation is nit picking. if you want to criticize some of tyrus’ shots today that’s more than fair, but him and rose are both 78% ft shooters; i don’t really think that play is a big deal.
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus had a negative game, going 6-16 mostly on jump shots and being out of position on defense all night. He didn’t run the floor either.
Yet the my point is about the big picture: nobody ever won a championship playing stupid, and Ty just can’t or does not want to understand this game.
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty, though...
…Thomas wouldn’t be out of position at much if the guards weren’t getting beat at will.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but that time where he doubled off Big Baby to help on Pierce (?) was incredibly stupid. Sometimes he reacts and, uhh, it’s not in a good way. I’m still – at times – troubled by his IQ of the game.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's only had one good year of disciplined coaching in his whole life.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's 23 in August
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose is 20
and looks to be about 10x smarter on the basketball court.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still younger than noah if you want to look at it like that :P
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you think of an NBA player who was this limited in terms of IQ/instincts after 3 years in the league, and went on to become an all-star?
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ben wallace
jameer nelson jermaine o’neal
that’s just off the top of my head, i’m sure there’s about 20 more recent ones too.
and remember, last year was basically a waste for tyrus considering what a freaking circus the organization was.
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer Nelson had higher IQ than Ty his freshmen year. Jermaine was super-thin, but not foolish. I honestly don’t remember Wallace…
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jameer nelson
played like an absolute idiot his first few years in the league. he turned it over too much, didnt pass enough, and took horrible shots.
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5’11" point guards who are not that quick who also have low IQ don’t even get drafted
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is a guy that we took with the 4th pick in the draft
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should be better than an undrafted Wallace
or a late-first rounder like Nelson
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Kobe Bryant
because, you know, he was taken 13th
4th>13th
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we drafted him we
knew we were going to have to put work into him. We knew he was raw. And then the organization proceeded to melt down and our young guys suffered for it. Tyrus would have gotten much more help staying in college than he did in his time with the Bulls circus. He is as advertised. We just didn’t develop him.
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by cranscape on Apr 27, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where can I get the basketball IQ test scores of all NBA players
from year to year in a database like you apparently have?
Oh wait, I can’t, because it doesn’t exist.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you can’t tell a smart player without a database?
by bob horse on Apr 27, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can, but if you don't think Tyrus is an instinctive defensive
player, I don’t know what to tell you. His offensive instincts, I’ll grant, are pretty suspect, but he’s been improving in that area. He’s been a lot more in control on offense in this series.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been taking waaaay too many unneccessary jumpshots this series except in game 1 ha
But he’s been pretty much the same offensive player ever since March, I haven’t see any noticeable improvement in his game in the playoffs
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's slowed down a bit and has made the easy
play more times than not. At least, that’s what I’ve seen.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to
you can’t tell a smart player without a database?
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have doubts that you've actually watched
any of those guys you talked about play considering how wrong you were about Jameer Nelson’s first couple of years, but you spoke with such certainty, hence the crack about having a database. Clearly no one does, but you certainly acted like you knew what you were talking about.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his instincts are pretty great. almost no one in the league has his kind of timing for blocking shots.
he’s all over the place for a reason. that’s what is the best use of his skill set. He’s a rangy guy that can recover quickly and still protect the rim. You want him running around being disruptive, especially if the guards are being torched like they have been in this series.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
timing is different from IQ/instincts. i am talking about understanding the game and being in the right place at the right time.
you want him protect the rim and cut off penetration, not run into ray allen half a second after he released a 3.
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was overzealous on that play, but that's how he is
you have to take the good with the bad. He wouldn’t be the scary disruptive presence he is if he wasn’t flying around like a mad man all the time.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well when we switch every screen
sometimes he’s gonna have no choice but to go out on ray allen. whle he shouldnt have fouled him, should he have just watched as allen took a wide open 3?
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am not killing him for any one play – including that one.
remember young KG on defense – shutting down pretty much any small or power forward, sometimes even shooting guards; protecting the rim – this is what Ty would be doing if he had any brain.
he is that amazingly gifted – just as quick, and even better leaper than KG.
by bob horse on Apr 27, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KG had a real coach (Flip), Tyrus was a great
defender his rookie year – the only year he had a real coach in Skiles. Since then, he’s had Boylan (yech.) and Vinny (yuck.)
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
But I’m just saying. It’s disconcerting.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, you were troubled that he helped
away from Fat Baby to try and help stop the Celtics best player? Hmmm.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the NBA, somebody is able to penetrate just about every night: there are about 40 players that nobody can stay in front of, and another 60 consistently beat poor defenders. This was the 4th straight game Bulls were facing the same offense. Rondo is the only Celtic consistently getting to the basket all series…
Now I do concede that Bulls are terribly coached on defense, and Vinny deserves a lot of blame. Yet even among Bulls players Ty stands out as a spectacularly defender: one moment he comes up with a ridiculous block, and for the next five possessions he is running around with his head cut off. On top of it all, it stares down his teammates and at times doesn’t seem to be familiar with scouting reports.
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ty
I thought the same thing! But then after I thought a little more, I remembered too many times when he bungled the pass on that kind of situation and decided it wasn’t the worst that could happen. He could easily have turned it over under the Bulls’ hoop.
by Reed97 on Apr 26, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes; however
He also could have turned the ball over once he put the ball on the floor… So I agree: a Boston foul with him converting 1 out of 2 is not the worst thing that could have happened.
by bob horse on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to be a TT apologist, but do any of you Tyrus detractors remember why he got fouled?
The Celtics had the ball, trailing 95-93. Vinny the defensive guru had Tyrus guarding House (AGAIN). Allen went around a screen and Noah went to pick him up at the baseline. At that point Salmons made a completely rock headed play by leaving his man (big baby) to help out. Davis then cut to the basket uncontested for an easy layup which would have tied the game with 18 seconds left, except for, now pay attention Tyrus bashers….
Thomas quickly curled off his man, made one of his famous trampoline hops, forcing Davis to badly miss trying to avoid a block, at which point …..listen closely………Tyrus grabbed the rebound. Granted he should have passed to Derrick, but was looking straight ahead at a rapidly closing Rondo and went around him, at which point he was fouled and made one of 2 to give the Bulls a 3 point lead.
The only reason that wasn’t the nail in the coffin was because Vinny once again totally blew it on his defensive coverage scheme as usual. Duh! Trailing by 3 did the Bulls coaches ever allow for the possiblity that maybe, just maybe the last shot would be taken by one of the games greatest 3 point shooters of all time, just like game 2? Do ya think, Vinny. Oh wait, what am I saying, assuming he doesn’t suffer from short term dementia once the game is on the line?
So just what happened. Did Thomas screw up? NO. Did Salmons blow it again big time because of Vinny’s constant switching that consistently leaves shooters wide open at the perimiter. Allen curled around a screento station himself at the top of the key, Rose got caught in a Davis screen as Rondo moved to the corner. At this point, SALMONS, NOT TYRUS, left Allen wide open chasing Rajon, not exactly known for his 3 point skills. Rose was supposed to switch but was at least 10 feet away, and like shooting ducks in a pond, Allen of course drilled it. Who was to blame? Let me count the culprits. 1) the entire Bulls coaching staff for not recognizing the obvious and relying once again on their switching, which seldom works. 2) Salmons who left his man for the second time in a row, leaving maybe the best pure shooter in the game for a game tying shot. 3) Derrick Rose for getting caught once again in a screen which resulted in Salmons switching in the first place.
The Bulls still had almost 10 seconds for the game winner but Derrick threw up an erratic teardrop with one second left which wasn’t even close thus leading to OT.
I won’t bore anyone by listing the specific situations where other Bulls missed key free throws, other than mention their names…..Kirk Hinrich, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Ben Gordon which could have cost the ball game. Thank you Salmons for hitting 4 in a row.
Yes Tyrus wasn’t perfect but he did have 3 blocks, 10 rebounds, 14 points, 2 steals and yes missed some defensive assignments, but if anyone else noticed….HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE or the main one. He caused many Celtic shots to go astray just by his leaping ability and their fear of him blocking the shot.
If you want to get on his case, fine, but take the blinders off. Should we bench Rose because he had 7 turnovers, many unforced? She we not give any credit to Hinrich’s terrific defensive efforts because he missed 3 straight free throws. Should we condemn Gordon who had defensive troubles while playing with a hamstring injury? What about Noah and his stupid foul on Pierce for a 3 point play right after the Bulls went up 5? Salmons couldn’t throw it in the ocean (2 for 10) until the overtime. If they lost was it his fault. Is the only reason Allen was able to tie it at the end of regulation with a 3 because of the technical called on Brad Miller?
OK, I think I’ve made my point and if I haven’t too bad. I’ll still take Tyrus over a whole bunch of more heady forwards. Did anyone hear Van Gundy say, if he could give effort every play, THOMAS COULD BECOME THE BEST BIG FORWARD IN THE GAME! God people, he’s only 22 and has had to go through a gauntlet of crappy coaches that would make horse manure smell like Chanel Number 5, so lighten up.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
TT
Other than Rose, Tyrus’ improvement has been the biggest factor in the Bulls’ improvement this year. Skiles tried to turn him into a low post threat for a year and a half with no success. He needs to play and make mistakes to improve.
His downside is dumb plays and failure to run the court (as the announcers pointed out on TV). In the third quarter he passed the ball (I believe a great touch pass to Noah), and ran the floor(it was his pursuit that made Rondo make that spectacular layup around Rose).
I was screaming at the TV to give the ball to Rose at the end of regulation, but I don’t think TT will ever totally avoid bad plays. If he can continue to reduce them he can be a high level player.
by El Toro de Goro on Apr 27, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger downside
At times he messes up the flow of the offense by being in the wrong place or forcing a break instead of giving up the ball to a guard. On defense he is quite often in the wrong place—-thankfully, he is so athletic that he erases his own mistakes often with spectacular blocks but I’d rather have a guy on the court who understands where he should be in the first place.
To be clear, I am a Bulls fan. I am glad to see the very significant improvement TT has made this year. His jumper has improved. His concentration seems to have improved. But despite not being able to quantify his bball IQ (and I know stats are THE most important thing at BaB), I can very comfortably agree with others on this string that he has not shown a deeper understanding of the basics of the game. That is fine for your first guy off the bench. Not for your starting 4.
For goodness sake, it wasn’t that long ago that one of the TT apologists on the site excitedly posted something about how Tyrus had added the pick and roll to his offensive game…sigh.
TT is exciting. He has helped the team. But if we can get an established player in his place in the offseason, it should be done.
by jmogs on Apr 27, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can argue that Tyrus had a good game; I disagree. You can argue that Ty made a more valuable contribution than Rose; and I disagree again.
However, even if you are right and I am wrong on both of those accounts, it’s not at all relevant to my point. I look at Rose and I see a point guard that may help you win a championship one day. I look at Ty, and I don’t see a forward that will ever be one of the top 3 players on a championship team – because he is one of the dumbest players in professional basketball – and this league is full of bad coaches, so that excuse goes only so far.
Look at Josh Smith – that guy is just as athletic as Ty and way more skilled – but he is also super-dumb in basketball sense. Josh has a nice team around him, and it’s going absolutely nowhere.
I hope you are right, but I lost faith completely.
by bob horse on Apr 27, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok here is the thing
I like Tyrus, and I dont care about that play alone. He did great getting the ball, his problem is he thinks he is a different offensive player than he is. He still thinks he is a 3. He needs to understand what he is and who is and stick to what he is good at and improve in those areas that he wants to be good at before doing them in the game. Thats what frustrates everybody about him. He is not a thinking man’s player on offense.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to say it
but TT may need to get traded…were seriously 1 good trade away from a chip
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no, remember the Tyrus NEEDS to go thread?
um, I don’t.
He doesn’t need to be traded. Obviously if some major frontcourt player is available Tyrus can be the centerpiece.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I mean
seriously, if we can get a healthy all star @ the 4 for TT..id do it in a heartbeat. Noah’s just too good to give up on compared to tyrus
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
If we played an undermanned Celtics team every game, Noah would usually look like the better player. That won’t always be the case.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 27, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Powe
Not only are they down KG, but they don’t even have their best BENCH front court player.
Scalabrine was on the floor for goodness sake…how does the frontcourt not demolish these guys?
by jmogs on Apr 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're acting like Noah has only played well in this 4 game stretch
He’s done well as a starter the entire season, against a myriad of opponents, Tyrus as well.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought TT was in high school before he started playing organized basketball?
Tyrus is an total basketball dumbass, it’s amazing that a person could play basketball all his life
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is it safe to assume that the three that BG hit gets credited to vinny
from seeing it over and over and over.. i mean they inbound it to salmons on the post and had BG run acorss the arc. where john was able to kick it out to ben on the run and shoot the three… did vinny draw that up? i think van gundy said that it looked like something phoenix used to run often also.
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by Yibs on Apr 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the trib article
Gordon said that Vinny drew that play up for him to get open. So I guess credit goes to Vinny.
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, here we go:
“I got a short memory,” Gordon said. “I’m able to focus more when the game gets tighter. [ Vinny Del Negro] drew up a great misdirection. I flared and wasn’t open right away so I took one dribble to create space and it felt good.”
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My link vanished.
Here it is:
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Van Gundy
Credit goes to D’Antoni, because that play is straight out of Phoenix’s playbook.
Muwahaha, Vinny will never get his due!
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if you're gonna steal. steal from the best.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also to D'Antoni's Defense with him.
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by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes both are true.
Im hoping they are starting to understand better how to defend the pick and role. It did seem like they finally adjusted in the 4th quarter to where our bigs would step out on Rondo to change his angle of attack(sending him further out) so that the guards could get in front of him and stop his drive.
I think Hinrich did a great job on him late.
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by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Credit
The play did not work, it didnt get BG open.. he took a dribble and shot a crazy shot. When he draws up a play where BG is open when he shoots I will give him credit.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 27, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a good play.
Go figure.
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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Went to this game live
it was exciting. Glad Salmons was hitting some shots, and BG… was clutch again. I’m still not sure what caused Miller to punch Davis, but he prolly deserved it! I’m surprised the refs changed it from ejection to just a T.
I’m not sure if i shit myself more when we left Allen open for a 3, let them get the rebound, then leave Pierce open for the tie, or when VDN called a time out with .8 left in the first half…
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 26, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't a punch.
He made contact with his shoulder. Davis just popped his head back for nothing. Catch some replays of that. It is quite comical how little contact there was.
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
Baby acted like he was headbutted, what a joke. video don’t lie.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that "fight" was hillarious
Brad Miller’s facial expression/“shove” killed me
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 26, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBM
I took to calling Brad Miller “Stupid Brad Miller” on the play during his previous stint with the Bulls when he was put into the game solely to rebound a free throw and call timeout so the Bulls could secure victory. Instead, he just stood there with the ball, got it stripped, broke is wrist or something, and gave up a basket which cost the Bulls the game. And every play I can think of him making, even his big three pointer today, he still seems really stupid to me.
Not expecting a hard foul in that situation would certainly qualify as stupid. His T could have easily been the game’s difference.
by Reed97 on Apr 26, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that really was a dumb ass timeout
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter
Timeouts dont carry over from half to half. So he had one left, might as well use it
by Edicus2288i on Apr 26, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do carry over from one half to the next
You can only lose unused TOs at the end of the third quarter and 2 min mark of the 4th, and even then, the majority of TOs you start the game with are available
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by snley on Apr 27, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait the 20 seconds dont carry over i thought
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_5.html?nav=ArticleList
tyger posted this link that explains the rules for timeouts….
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by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG is ridiculous!
Bulls would have already lost the series if not for his clutch shooting. They better pay up.
by Renobull on Apr 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta take the good with the bad
People soon forget his timely turnovers at the end of games, and his propensity to try and get a called foul that the team suffers on defense because of it.
He’s good, and it’ll suck if he left, but it won’t be the end of the world. Bulls still got Derrick Rose/Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah/Luol Deng. I’m happy with that for next year
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue the foul point, cause that is true.
But you gotta think (and hope) that with an improved Derrick Rose to handle the ball at the end of games and then drive and kick, that those costly end-of-game turnovers will decrease.
by Renobull on Apr 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And improved coaching and the whole "not playing for a contract so I'm selfish" thing.
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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy with being an atrocious offensive team next year?
Um, okay!
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
Chicago Bulls + ‘09-’10 + Ben Gordon = Champions
Sign him up.
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are a winning team now
so perhaps they can shell out some money for a winning team. I thought that was a stipulation.
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's dependent on how much Gordon wants
That damn Hinrich contract is messing everything up
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich's Contract
is lower and lower each year, it’s actually a thing of beauty
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Apr 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still too high for a bench player.
Hopefully his contract will make it easier for us to unload him to a team looking for a starting pg.
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by cranscape on Apr 27, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
His contract is reasonable and he could start on 15 teams in the league, its just we are not one of them. Good thing is his play and leadership and ability to defend PGs and SGs will be very appealing to teams in the trade market. He is ideal to play next to a lot of other guards in the league who may be are not as committed to defense as they should be.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 27, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers looked like they could've used him on Sunday night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
This is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen on this blog. Just because we won’t win the title next year doesn’t mean we should willingly want to get worse by not re-signing him. Can you please explain what kind of logic train are you on here?
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, when would the Bulls win the title
when they resign Gordon, and effectively take themselves out of the ’10 free agent class?
Adequately tell me how this team will get better by resigning Gordon, and how they’d be able to beat the Cavs or a healthy Celtics team— or this year’s Magic team, for that matter.
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see how that necessarily takes us out of the '10 class
if we could move hinrich (possibly package him with our 2 firsts this year) for expiring deals, then we’d have TiT and miller expire in ’10 as well as the contracts we get back for kirk.
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a big if
If they could move Hinrich, that’d be awesome, and my argument is nil. I don’t think it’s likely, though, without getting the same cash flow in return for spare parts.
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should easily be able to move Hinrich
And Brad Miller expires. And Tim Thomas expires. And Jerome James expires. And Salmons could opt out. And…yeah, you’re being dumb.
Plus, you could always use BG in a sign-and-trade. He’d be an attractive piece for a team willing to unload one of their stars. And how many of these guys do you think we even have a shot at anyways? The only guy I think we can actually get that I want is Bosh. I don’t think Wade would come here, I don’t think LeBron would come here, Dirk is getting up there in age, Joe Johnson is getting up there in age, and Amare has some major, major injury issues. Get the best team you can possibly have right now and deal with “possible” free agent signings later. BG and his possible extension is not the problem and isn’t going to hinder us from ever winning a title.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't "think"?
Great argument, pal. And all those expirings would be a prelude to what the Bulls would have to eat up to get a player of Bosh’s caliber. But go ahead, keep making the argument that signing a third lucrative contract, without considering either of Thomas and Noah’s extensions, will be good for this team.
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, dude.
Certainly not as good of an argument as your “Don’t re-sign BG because we won’t win a championship!!!!” theory, which is something straight out of the Charles Barkely School of Stupidity. Give me a break.
You seriously think it will be tough to unload Hinrich? We could have dumped him on Minnesota, but Pax didn’t feel like pulling the trigger.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daamn, we could have? He just didn't "feel" like pulling the trigger?
Careful, I don’t want you to trip from all the back pedaling you’re doing.
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We only have three expiring contracts.
Not enough to offer the max, but enough to offer $10 million, and we should be able to jettison Hinrich or Deng for crap that expires.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much what Paxson said, yeah.
It’s not my fault you don’t follow along with the reports from the Bulls’ beat writers.
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by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
who actually reads KC’s crap
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im fine with BG being our 2
if Rose develops D (like he showed in Game 2’s blocks), then he can switch on D with BG (who can handle most PG’s)…all we need is a 4 – personally I like ron artest or Stat
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Artest?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
bring back ron, no? At the 4..in the east?
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron's a small forward.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
he can play the 4 in the east..if not keep him at 3, but then that would depend on TT somehoe figuring how to do a spin move and post moves…Ron can do those with ease
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does being in the East have to do with it? There are PFs in the east, too.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at this
list…beside Bosh, KG (if he’s healthy), Smith and Howard (when he’s not playing C)..everyone else is not that intimidating.
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no?
no. It’s a dumb idea. If you think Tyrus takes bad shots…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's old too
and has a propensity for launching terrible shots. i’m gonna just pretend this comment was never said
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine
no ron..but its not like TT is taking better shots, esp. inside shots..which a PF does!
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying tyrus
has played well offensively this series. its just ron artest coming here in a year or two wouldnt make much sense
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has 3 good years left in him
real good years…if he came here he would be a 3rd option at best (with rose and BG running the offensive show)…all he has to do is bang the boards with Noah, back up our 3 sometime (cuz deng is injured and salmons is not 100% right now). He can do that…he’s older now, so he doesnt need to be the focal point like he was in Indiana.
Artest is nice dog, ask Jordan’s ribs
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by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just seeing Noah, Miller, and Artest
would make our front court so intense
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest?
hmmmm interesting. Why not keep Tyrus?
Rose
BG
Salmons
Artest/ Thomas
Noah.
He plays defense. He can hit the 3. I kinda like that idea.
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by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can
i think Artest is a free agent after this year, so we dont need to trade him..but I just dont see Tyrus playing backup and being cool with that roll..if so, hell ya..he would be a 6 man candidate
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by Belize on Apr 27, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we also have Miller next year-if he can still move
that would be a very crowed front court, I would never have though to add Artest on this team, nor do i want too
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Artest..
draft Blair or Curry, Miller has one year until the bulls get that foreign player whatever his name is. hmm
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by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad idea
it sure would be awesome to see Ron v. Vinny bc you know it would happen. The only thing that worries me (besides his rap records) would be that we’d jack up even more threes and quick shots in general.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 27, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Tyrus Thomas looks like a Mensa candidate next to Artest.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
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by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my final thing concerning Gordon, and then I'm out for awhile:
If I felt secure that this team had a true direction and plan, I wouldn’t mind them consciously taking a two-steps back to take four-steps forward sort of approach. As Scotter and I discussed via e-mail prior to the trade deadline, I would have been all for letting Gordon if they made a concentrated effort on making Thomas the No. 2 option on the team. It would hurt, and could be really rough, and maybe not work out, but I thought it could potentially work out great. (The addition of the ball-hogging and likely No. 2 option next year John Salmons made me silent about that after the deadline.)
However, they aren’t going to play hardball with Gordon for basketball reasons. They’re doing it for financial reasons. If they thought he didn’t have a future on this team, they wouldn’t offer him a contract even close to what he wanted.
Further, the Bulls make a ton of money. They could afford to have Gordon, Hinrich, Deng and Rose on the same team. It would be expensive, but as is often said in baseball, when you’re a big-market team, you can make up for expensive mistakes by spending around them.
And I really don’t buy the whole “giving Gordon takes them out of the 2010 free agency” either. It both hurts and helps their chances. Obviously, it would add $8-12 million to their obligations, but if you want him for $8 million, that extra four likely isn’t going to make a difference. Besides, we all know signing with “your own” team gives a player an extra year at a boatload more cash. Having a skilled player at that $10-$12 million range (even if a little over paid) would make an attractive package to a team wanting to rebuild on the fly as their superstar leaves. Something like Gordon + Thomas/Noah + a couple of first round picks sure looks nice to a Toronto or Miami, if you ask me.
So, if Gordon leaves, I won’t cry about it because I hope that 3-4 years down the road, it might pay off. It won’t next year (especially if the my-turn, your-turn offense is still around) and might not even the following year (barring a big splash). I don’t think that the Bulls need to go backward to go forward, but it can work with this young team. And I’m still unsure if this team has the foresight to execute that plan, so I’d rather see him be paid.
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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will cry.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(until the Kirk Hinrich jersey retirement ceremony)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with you
Gordon means so much to this team right now and I couldn’t imagine our team without him next season. Where would the scoring come from? There really needs to be a plan in place to get a scorer whether it’s in free-agency or trade to offset the loss of Gordon(if it happens, which I’m positive it will). It’s really risky to wait for 2010 because I have a feeling most of the start players are going to end up resigning with their teams (except Bosh). The Bulls would be able to afford Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, and Rose. But you failed to mention Noah and Thomas. There going to cost a chunk of money as well. I feel like if we keep Gordon than we NEED to trade Hinrich. There’s no point at all to be paying Hinrich 10 million to be a back up guard.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite all our arguing in the Ben Gordon consistency thread, I pretty much agree.
I wish that the Bulls would take advantage of their big market-ness, but I suspect that they won’t and I wonder if just letting Ben walk will end up being better long term for them.
If he does go, I will miss his swagger and ridiculous shot-making in big situations.
Hopefully Jerry just realizes that with Derrick Rose here, it’s time to spend, and bites the bullet.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's true, I feel once the Bulls sign Gordon
JR will feel like he’s done enough spending and will feel like our teams complete. Then our team won’t improve. I still have a hard time believing Rose , Gordon, Deng?, Hinrich, Thomas, and Noah is a championship level team. It might almost be in better interest to start Rose and Hinrich (for defense) and get a big like Amare or Bosh who could score in the post, even though we would be strongly lacking our three point shooting. This probably doesn’t make sense.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben is not a good fit with D Rose
And he plays zero “d” cause he is too small. He’s out next year and I wish him the best.
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 27, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he isn't,
our guards’ good play has nothing to do with us being 2-2 in this series. It’s been all John Salmons, all the time!
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by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
Let’s give a little props to Kirk. Normally his play is infuriating, but his defense has been a bright spot. He’s been playing smart and tough. If he had a few more inches of height on him, Pierce would be going nowhere. Hopefully we won’t trade him. I think he works well as a backup pg/sg. Definitely not a starter and shouldn’t get as many minutes as VDN gives him, but a quality bench guy.
by mw834 on Apr 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem has never been that he's
unqualified, at least not to most sensible people. The problem is that he’s getting paid as a starter for years to come, and that makes it impossible to upgrade in areas of greater need than backup pg/sg, like resigning Gordon. Especially because with Deng back next year, Salmons could get minutes as the backup 2.
by runningman on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whole-heartedly agree.
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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk's D has been great.
He’s been HUGE off the bench, missed FTs and all. Without him, this series is probably over already. You can tell he’s somewhat frustrated Pierce when he’s been on him, and he’s had a bunch of big steals that have led to easy fast break points for us. I kind of wish that we could keep both him and BG, because a Rose/Gordon/Hinrich rotation in the backcourt is easily one of the best in the league. And will be for years to come.
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by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With it being so close, really, missing any "positive" contributor means the series is over.
Jussayin
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by tyger1147 on Apr 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure, but
if Kirk was dealt for expirings and we held on to Thabo, I think that dropoff in production means this series is already over.
Just felt like saying that. Especially since I’ve bashed Kirk most of the year.
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by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of teams would like to have
a bunch of really good players on their bench. It just starts getting really expensive. Kirk is a luxury, and in a league where there is the thing called the luxury tax most teams can’t have guys like that on their bench. Or they all would. Hard choices have to be made. Perhaps there is a good defensive guy out there who can do what Kirk does from the bench for less. And since Kirk is better than a bench player we could trade him to someone who needs a starter.
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by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Kirk had a great game
he was a bit too foul-y but it was an overall benefit to have his hands slappin away.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk was too foul-y?
Unless you’re thinking he should have been called for a bunch he got away with….
6 fouls – Brad Miller
5 fouls – Joakim Noah
4 fouls – Ben Gordon, Derrick Rose, John Salmons
3 fouls – Tyrus Thomas
2 fouls – Kirk Hinrich
If you must have something to criticize Kirk over, I’ll give you that he had a bad 1st quarter and missed free throws he should most definitely hit…. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 27, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
served.
I thought he had more. Maybe it was the one he committed when the ball wasn’t inbounded that counted in my mind extra, like a BG turnover
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll also bash his mopey face
and bash Sue, who only exists due to Kirk.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a strong girl.
I’ve put with a lot worse stuff in my life than your insults.
by sue369 on Apr 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Starters vs. Their Starters
By game, according to popcornmachine.net…
Game 1: 5 min, +3…12 min, -7…4 min, +2…TOTAL: 21min, -2
Game 2: 4 min, -4… 7 min, -7… TOTAL: 11min, -11
Game 3: 8 min, -7…4 min, -4…TOTAL: 12min, -11
Game 4: 7 min, +3…4 min, +2…TOTAL: 11min, +5
Hey, we did well in game 4! But overall for the series, that’s 55 minutes, -19 plusminus.
We’re also +35 in the 106 minutes Brad Miller has played. And -35 in the remaining 46 minutes, which to me is the most interesting part.
by YaoPau on Apr 26, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this supposed to be a surprise?
Our bench is far, far superior then their current incarnation of a bench is.
Hinrich/Miller >>>>>>>> Starbury/House/Moore/Scalabrine
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That our starters are getting crushed?
It surprised me, I thought we were holding up alright.
by YaoPau on Apr 26, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Game 2,
Rondo would push their lead up to ~10, then Starbury would come in, and magically the Celtic lead would disappear. :P
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds familiar - oh wait, that's like every time Noah goes to the bench for the Bulls!
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you be surprised?
Rajon Rondo is averaging a triple-double this series, Big Baby looks like a real NBA player. It’s what the Bulls do against their worthless bench that has gotten 2 wins and another very close game.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scalabrine, I felt kinda bad for him.
To bad they didn’t convert on the 4 point play he gave the Bulls.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes both are true.
Im hoping they are starting to understand better how to defend the pick and role. It did seem like they finally adjusted in the 4th quarter to where our bigs would step out on Rondo to change his angle of attack(sending him further out) so that the guards could get in front of him and stop his drive.
I think Hinrich did a great job on him late.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich + Miller together
I went through the play-by-play for game four, got the rest from popcornmachine, so it might be one or two off…
But Hinrich and Miller together are +41 together this series. They were +22 together in game 4.
by YaoPau on Apr 26, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yey we won, just got back from my duty.
Derrick Rose: Point GOD
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 26, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to the game, got tickets at the last minute
and all I have to say is HOLY SHIT. What an incredible game. A game like that is beyond analysis, just too much fun. Noah has officially entered in to the Bulls awesomeness threshold. Crowd was awesome, game was awesome can’t wait for the next one…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 26, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jealous of you peeps that got to go to the game today :_(
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Ball-Grabbing Good Time at the United Center
From Deadspin
by Gils_Keloids on Apr 26, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that shot was nuts!
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
zing!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston fan mad at Ben Gordon after his big shot late in Game 4. This is hilarious!!!!!!!!
gaugie99
Did you all see what Gordan did after he made that basket. In a very graphic way he grabbed his testicles. This got me more mad than the game. lets all call the league office and make sure he gets suspended. I already called and said if he just gets fined I will never watch an NBA game again. here is the phone number of the NBA office. 212-407-8000
This was in the Boston Herald. Ha Ha Ha Ha…..I’m loving this. The series is on fire. The most entertaining and passionate of the first round.
by SlamDunk on Apr 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BG got BALLS
Derrick Rose: Point GOD
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Woj said on ESPN.com
Ben Gordon: Where Cojones Happen
by MU bull on Apr 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Him holding his crotch is wrong, but Garnett throwing f-bombs and talking shit from the bench without ever getting a T is a-okay
by NittanyCub on Apr 26, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot - too slow :-)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 26, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a little disappinted
KG managed to go 1 for 2 in the first quarter (emineffers per camera shot), but posted a huge goose-egg for the rest of the game. Very disappointing after his 8 for 10 performance in game one.
by torch on Apr 27, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, I found it less offensive than KG's constant potty mouth
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 26, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find KG's mean muggin' on the sideline more offensive than anything else. You're not even playing, KG
no one’s intimidated by the one legged man.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No matter how much you stick that jaw out like you're still the baddest ass in town...
I take great joy in the fact that he had to sit there and watch his team lose again.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Apr 27, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KG's mugging is worse that BG's nut-hugging
Because KG’s is non-stop, and it just draws so much attention to himself – how many shots of KG are we going to see? Even the Lakers don’t show Jack Nicholson that much!
by Gils_Keloids on Apr 27, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Gordons hand to the crotch was classic
every player bitches and moans, not a big deal
at least BG was original
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody on RealGM said it best:
KG thinks he’s Al Pacino doing Montoya. Luckily, BG is our little friend.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Apr 27, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, screw Gordan Giricek!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he'll get a fine no doubt.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Sam Cassell ever get fined?
The NBA loves the Bulls for keeping this series interesting. LeBron and Kobe won’t be on a court for almost a week.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the herald is terrible anyways, lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 26, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope if anything
he just gets a fine (which is bad in itself ..since he aint paid!)
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldn't get a fine
He’s just showing Boston that he has balls. More balls than their team. They should just accept it and move on. It’s true!
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they should fine "Gordan" instead?
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG7 energy drink:
It puts balls on your balls.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait, I got one more
This series is nuts!
…
Here all night.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not call the league office and complain about KG's swearing on the bench.
Shouldn’t that be a technical foul on Boston?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you really a granny?
who cares about KG swearing on the bench. “Oh the kids, the kids!” Give me a break.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 27, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take that back
i didn’t see who you were replying too
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 27, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shortly after I started being a Bulls fan, a popular thing to do was yell "Granny"
hoping to see this guy get into the game.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston fans are unreal
It was only last year that Sam Cassell was carrying his balls around the TD Banknorth arena.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad news, Rondo is averaging a triple double in the series.
Derrick Rose: Point GOD
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good news:
Rondo is averaging a triple double and the series is still just even at 2-2.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on Apr 26, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no news
our defense stinks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no news
rondo is really good.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He is really good and underrated. But I still don’t get how the bulls let him average 10 rebounds a game!!!!!!
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well boxing out helps. (John Salmons)
But some of his rebounds are just back taps or bad shots.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 26, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose needs to make a more concentrated effort
on boxing him out at all times. He did this well in the latter parts of the game, so hopefully that will translate into a full-game effort for the rest of the series.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
by Illini15 on Apr 26, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But not Oscar Robertson good.
rondo is really good.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not this good
The Bulls aren’t stopping Rondo’s dribble penetration. He’s had wide open lanes right to the rim. It’s been the worst part of our defense.
Rondo is making things happen off the dribble, but his defensive rebounding numbers are the result of an epic Bulls failure to own the glass.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should the Celtics win this series
there’s no way Rondo puts up those kind of numbers in later rounds. It’s the “Bulls effect”. He’s good, but he’s not “triple double in a series” good.
by M 80 on Apr 27, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has been
defended by Rose, Gordon, and Kirk. Two blah defenders and one who has trouble with smaller, faster guards. It would be more ridiculous if he wasn’t doing well. What is standing in his way?
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by cranscape on Apr 27, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention our team defense problems...
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by cranscape on Apr 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A competent NBA defense would limit him
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but its just so fun!
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess what
we can’t defend guards who can penetrate
Rondo’s “kind of fast”
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONIONS!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 26, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You obviously don't listen to
Waddle and Silvy
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 27, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless someone posts a link here on BlogABull.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's a recap
"I want the pressure...I want it and I feed off of it. Whenever I get the ball in my hand, I calm down." Air Force One
by Belize on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope all the Tyrus Haters read my defense of him towards the top of this posting.
Because I forgot to mention, that Big Baby Davis was only 4 for 16 with Tyrus the primary defender for much of the game.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 26, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When I dream about the player Tyrus will become, for some reason "Big Baby stopper" is not what I'm thinking about...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He can only guard who he's assigned to. He was "LeBron stopper" earlier this year.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that one block at the end of a game
made him a “LeBron stopper”? No one can stop LeBron, except the one and only KURT HEINRICH.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make him a jump shooter.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy can hit anything now
that’s what people were saying a year ago-“Make him a jump shooter.” It just doesn’t work, he’s an alien. I am worried about having to deal with him in our division for at least the next 10 years. LeBron, Please sign with the Memphis Grizzlies, they have a ton of cap space and O.J. Mayo. They also have Pau’s brother, he’s kind of like the actual Pau. Just get out of our division.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*forgot: Memphis doesn't spend
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's playing the Pistons.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or swept.
the worst team in the playoffs.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victor
Too bad he likes his russian vodka and women too much cause he was the TRUE Lebron stopper back in the Skiles era of grit or sit.
by Sambossanova on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i chose not to really get into it with those guys
i didnt recognize their id’s as regular commenters here and their criticisms didn’t seem too insightful. there’s a lot you could criticize tyrus for during this series and this game, but lampooning him for not passing immediately to rose when he got that board at 95-93 is just stupid. it’s not like tyrus is a bad ft shooter or anything
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he and rose have nearly the same FT%
78% to 79%… and tyrus has shot about 50 more this season so the sample size is also pretty close. yeah he should have passed it off,but it really wasn’t that bad…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 26, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
that TT considered their relative percentages before deciding to hold onto the ball. You ALWAYS give it to Rose in that situation because he’s a much better ball handler and he’s been stone cold in late game free throws. Just another TT moment.
by El Toro de Goro on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, of course he wasn't
and he should have given it up. i’m just saying, he’s not a terrible FT shooter, hardly worse than rose. it wasn’t like rose is ray allen shooting 95% on free throws.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 27, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ALWAYS!
Give the ball up to your point guard. Always!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is an idiot and a head case.
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Knowledge"
Not always right on the internets.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't met the other 31 versions
but you’re probably right
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now if he would only...
…give up the ball when he needs to…THEN he’ll be an NBA player!! :-)
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 27, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I was really happy about
is that VDN left Gordon out to play defense at the end of the first and second OT I believe.
When he took Gordon out at the end of the 4th, Ray Allen got a wide open look.
Say what you want about BG’s defense, but he’s been playing Ray really well defensively.
I’m not saying he’s great at defense, but for whatever reason he’s been giving Ray a hard time.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 26, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's been getting through those screens usually.
It’s been refreshing. :D
I didn’t see this game though.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 26, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He broke through
a couple screens yesterday only to stand and watch the rest of his team try and defend. The announcers called him out on it.
by sue369 on Apr 27, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sore hammy
…games 1-3 he did a good job of fighting thru screens.
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said this
morning he had a gotten a shot so his pain was probably minimal.
by sue369 on Apr 27, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Apr 27, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i havent minded BG's d that much
and i actually think his rep as a poor defender isn’t deserved; he’s probably more like an average to below average defender. today he wasn’t very good though, but i think a lot of that was because of that hamstring tweak he suffered; he didnt really seem like he could change directions well at all
by Calogero on Apr 26, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Gordon is a horrible defender
I am usually biased as well, but don’t give us that :)
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordon
is an average defender who sometimes has match up problems. If you want bad defense look at players like Maggette, and many others i cant think off the top of my head. Those guys barely play any defense at all and let anyone and everyone blow right by them. Ray Allen in fact used to be consider an average to below average defender while in seattle but these days is seen as and integral part of the much heralded boston defense.
by Sambossanova on Apr 27, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Allen's been getting away with shoves
Not that he doesn’t get away with shoves in the regular season, but he’s been using his elbow to create them in this series.
Ray Allen has done just about nothing off the dribble with Ben Gordon on him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really just love this team
It’s really incredible how much these guys have come together. Sure, there’s many areas to criticize, but what’s the point? As a fan of basketball and as a fan of the Bulls you really can’t ask for much more.
I really wanted a trade to go down, but the more I watch these guys play together, the more I want to see them stay. I really hope BG sticks. This team has been so much fun to watch.
Also, Vinny officially gets a lot of love from me. I’ve hated the guy as much as anyone this year, but he really deserves it now.. If we’re really honest with eachother, I think we’d all admit that any coach that we hired would’ve come under serious fire, but you just can’t dismiss the way these guys have come together. They’re playing as a group and that’s really all you can ask from a coach and Vinny has earned another year at least.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you
i really hope this team can continue to grow and build off of how well they have been playing (except game 3) against boston
by joetheplumber on Apr 27, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's certainly an exciting time for Bulls fans
even though some people here don’t express it
But i disagree about us complaining about any coach we would have hired. Vinny has certainly had many weaknesses as a coach, but has improved in the playoffs besides the timeouts. It’s also because his rotation is shorter(was forced upon him with the trades) , which has helped him
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am convinced
that any coach we would have hired would have received the Vinny treatment. Of course Vinny’s done several things to deserve the punishment, but I think it is time to give him some love. He’s basically hit every mark on the checklist prior to the season beginning. The biggest one of all being: PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS. Rose plays big minutes, Noah plays big minutes. It seems like they like him. There really isn’t much to complain about. There’s a fine line in fandom between demanding excellance and being a whiner and I think at this point if we complain about Vinny it’s just stupid. I’m sure I’ll get reemed for saying that, but I think it’s the truth.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was by accident
Vinny sucks. There’s equally no point in fawning over the cometogetherness just as much as no point in complaining.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed!
Any coach could have gotten here. This IS a talented team.
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's Matt we all know
I was actually surprised when you praised Vinny on your recap ;)
A more conventional lineup including Tyrus Thomas could’ve worked too, but Tyrus was not playing smart in this shot selection for much of the game and the fear of his absence meaning getting pounded on the glass was not there. Credit to Vinny for this recognition.
by bull83 on Apr 27, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought VDN did a pretty good job today.
When he was wired he said some pretty helpful things to the team. Telling Rose to attack when the bigs are guarding him, swinging the ball but just the .08 TO was kinda silly. (but didn’t hurt)
I think he made a great adjustment on the pick and roll when he was coaching up Thomas and Noah on the sidelines to step out further to help make Rondo take a wider angle to the hoop. I thought that was pretty cool. I gained some respect for VDN but tomorrows another day.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good point.
Some of the things we’re putting on VDN might just be poor execution by the players. Before Allen came down to tie it up with that 3-pointer, you could see Vinny telling the whole team (I think right before the in-bound) “no three pointers.” Salmons, however, left Allen to cover Rondo (no threat from range), Rose got caught in a pick (as usual), and there you have it.
by arjoseph on Apr 27, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excited about the group too
even though I don’t believe this group of players will ever be championship-caliber. The key really is how much Tyrus improves and Deng’s health/ability before I completely right them offf
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 27, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this
He has room to improve as coach. Let’s give him time and the best players possible (By that, I wanted to say resign BG and trade for Bosh, of course).
by bull83 on Apr 27, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joakim Noah is the shit.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When they chanted his name it reminded me
of HOR-ACE, HOR-ACE. Or NOCI-ONI! (when he was good) Did anyone get what the crowd was chanting? Like JOA-KIM-NOAH! I think. That was a cool moment. It was like Noah we embrace you.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 27, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I think it was JOA-KIM-NOA, like you said.
It’s just cool to have guys like that, that have a pulse. He responds to the fans and does so many good things. This guy does not get nearly enough credit for the way he guards the perimeter. Seeing him in person was enlightening. On screen-rolls the way he runs out and pressures the opposing team’s guards is just awesome. The guy’s motor goes non-stop. I just really have grown to love these guys.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hey, how is everybody?"
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
million dollar SMILE.
Derrick Rose: Point GOD
by Juan dela Cruz on Apr 27, 2009 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
71 Million dollar SMILE.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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by tyger1147 on Apr 27, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I wish every time they mention KG being out, they should mention LD being out too..
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 27, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think that
“The pizza’s frickin great” has entered the Chicago sports pantheon of classic postgame rants? With such classics as: “They are who we though they were!” and several others. I just love that quote.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This series is making me like Doc a lot.
He’s unflappable, and almost always says the right things. Seems like a very good guy.
by arjoseph on Apr 27, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good guy, but I can never tell if he's a good coach or bad coach
When they have him wired for sound he speaks only in cliches. “Play harder! We gotta go get it!” He spends the whole game bitching at the refs, yet somehow designs some really good plays in clutch situations (yesterday and Game 2). However, for all the good deeds Rondo is doing, they aren’t exploiting Kendrick Perkins’ advantage over Noah at all. Perkins has been quietly fantastic this series, and with good position will score on our bigs pretty easily. They rarely go to him in the post, and somehow Big Baby ends up with more shot attempts.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doc has drawn up
some awesome end of game plays. thats really about all i can comment on as his coaching abilities from this series; i think he’s pretty hamstrung considering how awful his bench is.
by Calogero on Apr 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc is a very good offensive coach and play diagrammer, and his guys really seem to like him
and play hard for him. He’s a pretty terrible defensive coach – especially re: defending the pick and roll. It’s part of the reason the Celtics had no chance at success until they brought in Thibs and KG (the single best pick and roll defending big man in the league today, and maybe of all time).
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is a question
if Thibs is so great, why has the Boston defense gone to crap after KG got hurt? I think Thibs may be getting a little too much credit. He may have the best defensive pg and pf in the game. Perkins is also a really good defender. Why does thibs get so much credit?
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perkins became a good defender
and he made a team with wings like Pierce and Allen the best in the league. It’s coaching. You can’t put it all together without KG, but KG was on some Minnesota teams too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why has Derrick Rose had 2 bad games in this series?
While Rondo averages a triple-double, Derrick has had 2 fantastic games, and 2 forgettable outings. That’s because the Celtics defense continues to adjust to him, trapping him more, throwing different looks, whatever.
KG is an amazing defender, but it’s not like his Wolves teams were constantly the best in the league on that end.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celtic fan, good game
See yall in game 5, and then the close out in 6 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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by kheeko on Apr 27, 2009 2:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Props?
Do we give VDN props for not playing Tim Thomas at all? I think the deciding factor in the series may be who plays fewer minutes — Starbury/Moore or Tit/Hunter.
by El Toro de Goro on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes!
that was a key move. No Tim Thomas. Why did Vinny say he had to play Tim more, than did so, then rightfully sat him? I think VDN felt he had to say something, so he made up that thing about playing TiT. He was gloriously far far away from the huddle in OT.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best play of the night
Just because I know this play can be run anytime the Bulls want.
Thomas sets high screen. Noah is on the right baseline under the backboard. Rose with the ball dribbling from his right to his left. Thomas screens, his man follows Rose, Thomas steps down to the FT line. Rose passes to Thomas. Noah steps under the rim to the left baseline. Thomas receives the pass. Turns and fires it right to Noah. Noah slams home the wide open dunk.
This play will be hard to stop if this team ever figures out how to run it consistently.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they can't
read above. Tyrus Thomas has been deemed stupid. Sorry everyone!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a game for the ages. We will be seeing replays on NBA.com and ESPN Classic for years.
I was there and it was truly crazy! This was like a championship fight. I have never, ever seen BG as intense as he was in the overtimes. He was too fired up and had Salmons wide open once when he tried to win it all by himself. If he is hurt you never would have known it. Tyrus was taking crazy shots and was also too hyped up. But do not minimize his impact defensively and Tyrusmancrush makes good points above. Ray Allen was on fire. Salmons did a terrific job on Pierce. I thought Hinrich was going to shoot himself when he missed that free throw. Derrick was absolutely terrific. I am totally hoarse from screaming and exhausted from the tension of the game. Ladies and gentlemen – this was fun!!
by chgobr on Apr 27, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Kirk was poor yesterday
The two misses from the 3 attempts after getting fouled on the 3 attempt were bad. Then he missed one of two attempts on the clear path call. Those 3 misses were brutal for a guy that shoots over 80% from the line.
I did love BG’s fire. That chest leap into Noah looked like it might kill Noah.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone was missing fts.
I was more pissed at the two missed layups. They hearkened back to the days when we didn’t have a single guard that could reliably make one. With Rose around I got used to expecting easy shots like those to go in.
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by cranscape on Apr 27, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worst one
in the second quarter…3 on 2 fastbreak, and kirk doesnt pass it….uhhh….and after i spent time early this season bashing gordon for retarted stuff like that…thanks kirk….(at least he didnt do it again in ot, passing it to rose who did a nice touch pass to salmons…man that second overtime was awesome…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple: Stop Rondo, Win Series
Captain Obvious, I know…but come on coaching staff, what are you getting paid for? After 4 games they have yet to even slow the guy down a fraction. It’s horrible and super frustrating how he’s being allowed to basically go wherever he wants on the floor. Is it asking for too much that when a loose ball drops (not one of BG’s), that Rondo just not be allowed to go in between 4 guys and get the rebound?
Yes he’s good. But him being a one-man show is frustrating the heck outta me. I’d like to see a trap or something. Hopefully our staff of simpletons can address this in game 5.
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
VDN and the coaching staff - Matt is getting upset already - I thought did a good job!
For the Vinny haters (who at times include me) I thought his substitutions and play calling were very good. Del Harris and Bickerstaff were also definitely in the game at times screaming (of course the sound level was so loud there was no other way to communicate) at Vinny. The lack of calling a time out during , I think the end of the 3rd when Boston made a 12 or 13 – 0 run is questionable. Some fans really were riding him to call a timeout. Vinny had enough time outs at the end of the game and OT. This was a pressure-packed, intense game and Vinny had this team playing well, not collapsing in the first OT when we were down by 5. Vinny also did not lose his composure with the players that I saw throughout the whole game. Contrast this with Stan Van Gundy. I know Matt and others believe he will be fired by Christmas but these games are making me feel we may have a keeper. I’m ready for the onslaught.
by chgobr on Apr 27, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
I was mainly talking about the way the coaching staff is not handling Rondo, not anything else.
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by NormVanBeer on Apr 27, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad - didn't mean to hit the reply button!
by chgobr on Apr 27, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be an SBN first
Usually people don’t hit reply, they just add to the end…
by torch on Apr 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of Rondo's effectiveness
goes away if the Bulls just hustle to get the loose balls?
It’s frustrating to watch Rondo run full speed to a loose ball at our FT line and two Bulls take it easy going to get the same loose ball. Rondo picks it up and it’s 1 on 2 and he still gets to the line. None of this is a problem if a Bull just sacrifices his body and dives for the ball.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really buy into the 'guys, just try harder' philosophy
maybe it’s Rondo’s talent that allows him to do this?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you watch the plays that Rondo makes off the ball
There are players with better paths to the ball and players that can step in front of Rondo to block his path.
Rondo is really a thinking man’s player. He makes very few mistakes with about the same amount of physical talent and size and thousands of ballers. So yes, try harder philosophy does apply in denying an above average player from post superstar stat lines for a series.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo's faster than everybody on the court
Even your beloved “Point God” Thats why he gets to all the loose balls and rebounds. He’s good, bad bulls defense or not. Nobody just goes out and averages a triple double in a playoff series.
by misterx2day on Apr 27, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's absorbing Garnett's stats
The scoring and passing are things I expected. The rebounding is inexcusable.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't be the usual guy you'd think would absorb KG's stats.
Maybe the two probable HOFers would do that. Or someone actually in the frontcourt. If you meant “absorbing” as “proactively getting,” then I’ll agree with you. If you put him on the Nets, his stats would destroy what Devin Harris did this year. And he’s always been a good rebounding guard, even before this year.
by arjoseph on Apr 27, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo
Rondo is sick the problem is unless he learns how to shoot consistently which at this point might be too late he has reached his ceiling as a player and his ability will decline with age where Rose has a much higher ceiling if he continues to grow
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 27, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo is 22 years old, I seriously doubt he has peaked
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you know, everyone in the NBA is peaking right now
TT can’t grow either!
It’s pretty amazing how all this has happened at once
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by Prevenge on Apr 28, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give it another two years
then we’ll see who’s faster (hint: its not rondo)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a Boston fan?
There have been about 40 players that set career or season highs statistically against the Bulls _efense this year. Rondo is just the latest – did he average a triple double during the regular season?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but he did do pretty well.
Like, for instance, having the second-highest rebound rate among PGs (barely below Kidd and ahead of Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook). He was also fifth in the league in assists per minute (behind only Paul, Deron Williams, Nash, and Calderon, and ahead of Kidd). So this isn’t entirely out of the blue.
by arjoseph on Apr 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one's saying Rondo isn't any good
If they are, they just don’t watch a lot of basketball. Both will be All-Stars next year, and damned if Team USA didn’t find their next two PGs for 2012 if CP3 and Deron aren’t up for the task again.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Except for PP and RA in some games and the scrubs,
the Boston players have looked better against the Bulls _efense than their average play this season.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Normally he makes quite a few mistakes
i think his USG% and his TOV% are the same, which isnt that great. its just that this defense isnt making him uncomfortable at all.
by TheMoon on Apr 27, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides all the missed free throws
and a rather crappy performace from Salmons, save the one well-timed three, everyone played pretty well. Tyrus had some bonehead plays but unfortunatley until we get someone in here to you know, actually coach him, he’s going to keep doing that.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I'd also like to nominate GoCubs
for the Gamethread Douche Award…fundamentallysound I know you’re with me on this one.
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't read the game4 threads
use the flag button for nominations.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, looks like you guys did
gocubs40 stinks, he’s gone.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs suck!
etc, etc
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by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or talking about the Cubs during a Bulls game
Because you know, everyone wants to hear about a meaningless April game during the playoffs.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 27, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any reason to split hairs.
:P
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
by Prevenge on Apr 27, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, that guy was a dick.
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by fundamentallysound on Apr 27, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just watching game 4 for the second time...
and at the end of the 4th qtr i noticed a couple of things…
to finally give vinny some cred… When there was 30 seconds left he decided to go for a 2for one vs. going for one “quality’” possession. He was confident enough that ,first, we could score quickly,and that second, if the celts scored after, that we would just about be assured the last possession. Shows a lot of trust in our offense (BG and Rose).
Jeff Van Gundy asked that question, and Mark Jackson said he would anticipate one Quality possession. MAYBE vinny outsmarted doc on this one….??…
by scottie33 on Apr 28, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also....
Why the hell didn’t thomas hand the ball off to DRose?!?
Instead he misses a free throw! This game shoulda been over in regulation.
by scottie33 on Apr 28, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he should have passed it
but honestly, he shoots very near (78 vs 79) the same FT% as derrick, so derrick was almost as likely to miss.
it wasn’t just tyrus’s miss… all the FT shooting was horrible. missing 2 out of 3 in the 4th, and then 1 of 2 on the clear path foul in OT. there were several missed FTs in the 4th (rose, noah, tyrus, hinrich) that would have sealed it.
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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
er kirk missing 2 out of 3...
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG missed
one right after Kirk missed his. Hopefully they get the chance to redeem themselves at the line tonight.
by sue369 on Apr 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
i only pulled out kirk’s miss in OT because i remembered it on the clear path. i knew gordon also missed a key FT, but i was mostly just pointing out the missed ones in the 4th quarter. just the point is that everyone was to blame on that note, it wasn’t tyrus’s one miss.
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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean that ben's FT was in OT
since the point of the post i was replying to was that the game should have been over in regulation.
wasn’t picking on kirk by mentioning his miss in OT vs not mentioning ben’s.
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by Jaina on Apr 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the game
should have been over in regulation.
by sue369 on Apr 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you were keeping track...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know
as much as you think you do. They are both good ft shooters and I couldn’t believe they both missed. That’s what stood out to me. :P
by sue369 on Apr 28, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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