Vinny on Vinny: No regrets!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 5:15 PM CDT
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PrintBrian Hanley was all over VDN this morning for the lack of a final time out (and for sitting Tyrus Thomas), and kudos to him for using his other job as a beat writer to follow up on it:
Del Negro: ``You always want to try and keep a time out, but you always want to try to keep yourself in the game. There's no need to save your time outs if you're down 15 points, or 10, or 12. At certain times, when they're making runs like that, and we get the ball with 20 seconds to go in the game and we're down two, I want to make sure we get a good shot and have an opportunity to tie. Because if we don't execute well and set something up--especially with a young team--then they're shooting free throws and the game's probably over.
``So I would have liked to have had one at the end, but sometimes you can keep them and sometimes you have to use them to stay in the game.''
But those [were] one-point [differences] in a game with 18 lead changes and Ben Gordon's on the bench. And you're not getting the ball at half court. A lot of people second guessing today, or first guessing when it happened.
Del Negro: ``People are going to second guess and first guess. So what? I don't care. They can guess. I'm the coach. I'm going to make the decisions. That's the way it is. In two seconds or whatever we've got to take the ball out of bounds. The ball is going to go to Derrick, because he's our fastest guy to get it up the court. We set up a play in the time out. We didn't execute it because the Celtics did a good job with their execution. And that's the end of the game. I mean, two seconds, I don't second guess that.''
So no regrets?
Del Negro: ``No not at all. Not a second.''
At least when he started this conversation he was simply misguided (I question any timeout making that much of a difference in stopping runs, and it's not like he was drawing up these great plays on offense), but then he devolves into 'the decider'.
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i tend to agree
with you on the idea, but he’s owning it. that’s something. right? part of me is surprised that with harris and bikerstaff (sp?), and their years of knowledge, he was allowed to do this two games in a row. it’s a failure, but i’m still looking on the bright side of things…
The Future is Unwritten
Didn't you hear Vinny?
He’s the coach, he makes the decisions. The assistants probably stopped suggesting things a long time ago…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 21, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We had two rookies on the team
and one knows when he made mistakes and one doesn’t. I personally prefer the rookie who who is humble. He might actually get better. This one seems to think that any decision, once made, is a good one. Uh, no. Not really. He could have said that that was a mistake that won’t be repeated the rest of the series. We have yet to hear that out of his mouth all season though. El Coacho doesn’t make mistakes. Things just mysteriously go bad through no action of his.
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by cranscape on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I also think its easy to not admit a mistake
So I can’t see that as a bright side.
I mean 2 games in a row its pretty nuts I really only heard Tim Legler call it out too on ESPN or TNT.
Mmmm.. good point!
Yet,…so much (“year long”) criticism seems to be eating at him, I imagine he must fight just to keep his sanity? I don’t think he’s as bad a person as this circumstance can be intepreted.
I somewhat like the fight Vinny “this rookie coach” displays in defending himself while under so much pressure.
I just wish Vinny would relax and agree on a point like this and say there are areas in coaching where he needs to improve on.
(which wouldn’t be unheard of, considering he’s a rookie coach)
man up!
Because he's "the coach"
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Ha changed the masthead/slogan too I see...
He’s an idiot and doing what idiots ten to do, which is not make any sense.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Tend*
Guess that makes me the idiot…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 21, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
nah, that's been there a while.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
In two seconds or whatever we’ve got to take the ball out of bounds. The ball is going to go to Derrick, because he’s our fastest guy to get it up the court. We set up a play in the time out. We didn’t execute it because the Celtics did a good job with their execution. And that’s the end of the game.
You can’t set up a “play” for going the entire length of the court in 2 seconds. He does know that you get the ball at halfcourt after a timeout, doesn’t he?
Why resort to name calling?
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FUCK VINNY DEL NEGRO.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 21, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
how many times have we heard the
“I’m the coach. I’m going to make the decisions” bit?
That was exactly what he said when Paxson told him about sitting Derrick during the fourth quarter.
Yes Vinny, you’re the coach, you make the decision, but you are also the one making mistakes, and being completely denial about it afterwards
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Yeah, he's backed up against the wall
Anytime a coach has to keep telling people he’s the coach, not a good sign. What a tool.
by The90sBullsRevival on Apr 21, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions
the timeout thing doesnt bug me
half as much as the tyrus thing. the timeout thing is stupid, he’s wrong, but whatever; it doesn’t matter in 95% of games, and even with it, the odds of us hitting a 3 with 2 secs left were slim anyways. plus, i imagine in time he will learn the value of holding onto a timeout. however, the tyrus thing bugs me because it’s hindering our success now— we generally have the best chance of winning with noah and tyrus playing down the stretch— and its hindering our success in the future, since these are young guys who need to be developed properly. maybe we’ll just get up by 20 on thursday night so neither of these things matter
by Calogero on Apr 21, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
agreed on that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
triple
how long does it take for him to see that Miller was ineffective?
I would bet at least 90% of BaBers were screaming while watching Miller play in crunch time in the 4th qtr while “stuff machine” TT sat on the bench?
It was really unreal?
man up!
by exult463 on Apr 21, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
it was obvious as well as unreal
...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
Exult93 are you serious?
when you estimate ONLY 90% of the Babers were screaming. Where are you going to find 10% who weren’t . I’m sure VDN’s dad was probably kicking himself for bringing up such a self-centered, stubborn son who never listened to anyone as a child and not disciplining him more before his mind became like a steel trap, always closed. Those who could read lips could see the old man muttering under his breath throughout the 4th quarter “Where’s Thomas, put in Tyrus, you f*ck*ng idiot and stop calling all those stupid timeouts. Just let Gordon or Rose shoot the damned ball, EInstein! How the hell did I raise such a numbskull?” After all he’s a diehard Bulls fan too.
My wife, not being a bball fan, says she is now convinced that I’m certifiably insane for the way I interact with VDN through my TV set. What she doesn’t realize, being well aware how these rages upset her, was that I was restraining myself as much as humanly possible without blowing an artery or throwing my remote through the screen.
Observing “I’m the Coach. I’m going to make the decisions” exercise his power is enough to make my blood boil. Not only is he a grossly incompetent feckless boob, he is also an arrogant empty suit but apparently has no firing neurons under his GC mop of hair. I would love to be a fly on the wall when his assistants are discussing his moves outside of his earshot.
I know they know better, but in today’s market, at their age, I’m sure they enjoy their paychecks more than pointing out what an utter fool they have to report to. Although crying on the inside, they are probably laughing all the way to the bank, knowing whatever suggestions they offer Vinny, making sure they don’t threaten his delicate ego, will never be considered poor, since his knowledge base is as shallow as a wading pool. Therefore there is no pressure on them to demonstrate they can adjust with the time and try to come up with new innovations since to him everything they propose sounds new.
Whatever benifit of the doubt I was willing to grant him, has dissipated due to the total lack of humility emanating from someone who has hundreds of reasons to be humble. Instead of throwing brickbats at him during Thursday’s game, the fans should be allowed to throw real bricks if he glues Tyrus to the bench while watching Miller risk a massive coronary in the 4th quarter again.
Finally, why the hell doesn’t Paxson exercise his authority and reign this clown in. He must see the same things we all see, which is that Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling “I’m in charge” “Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor giv es me a natural high.”
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 22, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hahahahahahahhaa
Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling "I’m in charge" "Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor giv es me a natural high."
Nice. Rec for you, good sir.
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I think I might have to sig this.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Done.
"Vinny continues to act like a crazed arsonist pouring gasoline on our season while running around carrying a torch yelling 'I’m in charge. Don’t any of you foolish knaves try to second guess me. I know gasoline is a liquid but I’m pretty sure it isn’t flammable and the odor gives me a natural high.'" - Tyrusmancrush
Not as mad at Tyrus thing
I wrote earlier in another post that of all Vinny’s mistakes in the first two games playing Brad over Tyrus hasn’t jumped out as a huge problem to me.
Damned if you do Damned if you dont. You play slow Brad Miller for 15 mins straight and he is gonna shorthand layups and be slower to loose balls. Tyrus yesterday showed he isnt a good defender to play at end of game situations. For 3 of his 6 blocks yesterday lead to easy baskets for the Celtics… and Derrick Roses foul trouble. The end of the Miami game we all remember is an example of a time Tyrus lost his man ( Marion) and the Bulls lost. He and Brad werent rebounding at all yesterday but Brad did rebound on Saturday.
I just dont think playing Tyrus over Brad is a clear cut answer one way or another right now. If he trusts the veteran so be it.
You can't have a terribly long memory
for young players like Tyrus. Game 1 Tyrus was a big factor at the end of the game. Game 2 Tyrus sat. That isn’t a good idea if you actually care about your young guys. Who cares what happened months ago with Marion. At the time it was speculated Tyrus was told to leave his guy since he did it as soon as the play started and doubling Wade was a common tactic. He might have been doing exactly as told and Noah didn’t rotate over fast enough. It wasn’t entirely clear what was supposed to happen there.
With young guys you have to get some continuity between games. Continuity dictated Tyrus should be in at the end of the game. The Surgeon General dictates Miller is gassed at the 20 minute mark.
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"If he trusts the veteran so be it."
I’ll remember that for the 2009 World Title video
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So, if Thomas doesn't come over to weak-side help and the other team gets an easy layup...
…that’s better, right?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
that is true on half the blocks
Yes, Tyrus did come over on half the blocks when a Bulls defender was clearly beaten and he stopped a layup at the rim. The other half of the time time he leaves his defender when a Bulls defender is right with the player forcing him into a tough layup at the rim. Do I want him to stop trying to block all together, no. But he isn’t a smart enough defender yet to be on the court in crucial points of games because he doesn’t know when to stay with his man and box out and when to go help ( or double) and get a block.
Just making the point that I really don’t think Vinny is being stubborn in the case with the Miller/Tryus rotation. It is a tough decision that doesn’t have a clear cut answer…. like keep one 20 for end of the game situation.
In game 2
Tyrus’ blocks down the stretch were examples of a highly aware defender. He took the weak side route that denied the passing lane to his man. The key component to the help is the player behind Tyrus that comes down with active hands on the big to deny the lane. The rotations have to come around on the top side to cut off the perimeter passing lanes.
Miller is playing down the stretch for the distributing options and the defensive rebounding. He’s not blocking any shots, so when he’s in the game our guards have to stop the dribble penetration. In game 2, we were doing this. Where we made mistakes were on crucial offensive possessions such as Noah’s missed wide open layup off a great pass from Rose with 2 minutes remaining.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The mistakes in game 2 ...
were the 16 or so possesions that led to 21 offensive rebounds and 32 second chance points. I blame the whole defense for not rebounding. The inside guys Noah had a worse rebounding effort than game one, Miller worse than 12rbs in game one, and Tyrus had somewhere around 4-6 rebounds. Rondo had a lot of boards where he is just quicker to the ball than Derrick.
I agree that Miller should be playing down the strech because of his distribution when he pops off the pick and roll. It just isnt the perfect situation cause his legs have gotten tired in the 4th both game 1 and 2 with shorting layups and not being quick enough to get loose balls on passes from Rose or on defensive rebounds.
If you want to play Miller in the fourth,
play him at the end of it or at the beginning to the middle. Not all the way through. He can’t take it.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Hear Hear!!
we generally have the best chance of winning with noah and tyrus playing down the stretch
Why can’t more people recognize this?!! I realize most folks here share this opinion, but it’s not widely held elsewhere. A friend and I talked about how well the Bulls played down the stretch and my complaint was “too much Miller in the 4th” – his complaint was “too much Noah in the 4th” (this was when Noah was in VInny’s doghouse instead of Tyrus).
Worse still – I can’t believe the coach doesn’t recognize this!
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
To me
It’s not even about who gives the best chance to win (even though I feel that’s Tyrus anyway). The whole point of this season, playoffs or not, is development. Development for Rose, Noah, and Thomas. All 3 need to be in at crunch time unless Miller is doing a Chamberlain impression. Tyrus makes mistakes on defense, but he’s been making huge strides this season. Imagine how much of a beast he’ll be when he knows to play real defense at critical moments.
by kozzer on Apr 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Timeouts matter 100% in the playoffs. When one messes up, a real coach will admit a mistake and make corrections.
A real coach doesn’t panic and call a timeout after a 4 to 6 point run. A real coach will let the players attempt to get thru and save the timeout unless there is a serious run.
And Miller playing in the 4th quarter when he is old and gassed bothers the hell out of me.
Right. For all of those saying "rookie coach" "rookie mistakes"...
…well, this clearly shows that he doidn’t make a mistake, and you can’t learn if you don’t think you did anything wrong.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Apr 21, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
A real coach
would say that was a mistake that will not happen again. And it won’t happen again.
It isn’t that hard, Vinny. I am not really convinced Vinny even knows it is pretty much unanimous what he is doing is not good. He has done it all season to little success.
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Which is why Paxson needs to talk to himi again and set him straight.
Paxson is his boss. He listened last time when he told him to wake up and play the franchise at the end of games. He needs to reign in VDN and tell him to check himself, because he obviously isn’t listening to his veteran staff.
clearly he doesnt realize his mistakes
this is not good news for the bulls. if this mismanagement of timeouts happens again i will be super pissed
See Red, BABY!
or it's that he doesn't want to admit mistakes
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He has been doing this kind of crap all year.
He should have figured it out the first couple of times back in the fall. I can’t believe this is an issue for a PLAYOFF TEAM. (cough) It isn’t even debatable. And yet he thinks he can have the opposite opinion on it.
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Peter Vecsey gave him the first place vote
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Did it make you read Vescey?
It did for me.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Get that fool a cell phone with internet so he can monitor Miller's minutes on Yahoo!
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 21, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions
I see Vinny's point
Matt, I disagree on the timeouts not stopping runs thing. You and I can disagree. We clearly know how Vinnie feels.
But it reminds me of situations when a coach is worried about a player with five fouls and doesn’t play him. I believe this happened with Tyson Chandler a few years ago, and we had Sweets in the game instead. Well, you can keep him out to protect him from fouling out, or you can play him and hope for the best. But to play Sweets is suicide (as was evidenced in the result). (sorry I can’t cite this with more specificity – it’s been too long). So in Vinny’s mind, he’s playing to win rather than holding on for the end of the game.
But of course I don’t agree with him. I think that stopping the runs matter, yes, particularly with a young team. But given the NBA rules about moving to half-court, you have to keep those timeouts. He is being logical. Just being stupid at the same time.
I don’t expect this behavior to change.
the value of timeouts in stopping runs is debatable
however, that wasn’t even the issue last night. he burned a timeout at 1:54, at about the 1 minute mark, and with 20 seconds left. there was no need for the timeouts at all of those points and he could’ve easily gone with only using 2 timeouts in that time span instead of 3. especially since the play that he “drew up” during the timeout was essentially the same “run gordon off a stagger screen” play that they had been running the entire quarter.
The timeout that bugged me...
…was the on at 1 minute left. Boston made a shot and Vinny got up off the bench calling a timeout to call a play like that was a normal thing to do. Except he was about 45 seconds too early for that move. At a minute left, down one point (if I remember correctly) you let your team run its offense and get a good shot — oh, wait. We don’t have an offense, so Vinny felt compelled to write something down so he could influence the game. I think it was this: “BG, save me (please)!”
And how unprepared are the Bulls
if they can’t call in a play from the sidelines without taking a timeout? There are coaches in the NBA that are known for calling half of their teams offensive plays, and Vinny can’t work out a system to call in a single end-of-game play without a timeout?
Are we to believe that he’s drawing up a brand new, never been practiced, play on the spot?
by runningman on Apr 22, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would
imagine he feels the play is more likely to be executed properly if he has the opportunity to remind the young players of certain things, certain potential issues and details, during a called TO.
I would imagine they call plenty of plays “in game”.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
is he sayin that
he expected derrick to run the full length of the court and score a layup in 2 seconds???
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
well, maybe he thought he could catch the ball between half-court and the 3-pt line...
…(because the celtics wouldn’t play defense), but basically, yes.
Actually, he probably thought there’d be more than 2 secs. But why? Who knows?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
The last time Vinny was cornered was not having Derrick in for the last 7 seconds of the Miami game.
He did “I’m the coach” thing then. However after that incident and the talk with Pax Derrick was in the game crunch time for the rest of the year. I’m hoping this bravado is just that and he learns from this and manages timeout better. I am not upset with his saying this is a young team and needed a timeout at 20 seconds. He should have managed timeouts to have another one after the Cs possession. Vinny reminds me of an insecure kid saying “I’m the boss” as though this is a way to gain respect. There is no question he made two mistakes – TT on the bench and no timeout. The good news is he did learn from the Derick mistake and hopefully will learn from yesterday’s.
I think this will be handled the same way
…with a behind-the-scenes talk between he and Pax, allowing him to save face in front of he media as well as his team.
...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
The Vinny Del Negro hate...
is overstated. He seems to have a reason for making his decision; you may disagree with it, but it could have easily turned out a different way—where the Bulls run a play without a timeout and miss a shot, or the substitution for Gordon leads to a stop on the last play—and then no one decries the lack of timeout.
There are points in life when one should accept non-agency and stop screaming at illusory villains.
When you are coach
you need to be prepared. Not hoping for good luck every time to bail you out of your lack of planning. That isn’t coaching. None of this “easily turned out a different way” crap. Good coaches don’t paint themselves into a corner like that repeatedly. We already used up our luck the game before. That should have scared him shitless and have him not pulling the same crap the very next game. Every other coach in the league would have done everything in their power not to do what Vinny did. Certainly not twice in the playoffs. Yet for Vinny it is his signature move. You have to remember he did this kind of thing in the regular season too for bad results. The fact he hasn’t figured it out is a major problem.
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by cranscape on Apr 21, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
When you are coach
you need to be prepared perfect.
There, fixed it for ya! ;-)
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
the cliche of...
…the harder I prepare the luckier I get has some merit
by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 21, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but the effect of Vinny's decisions
annoy like the drip of a bad faucet – continuous and grating; only these drips happen once or twice EVERY GAME.
So if not hate, at least extreme annoyance. Most of us have followed pro basketball for a while, and we cant help but notice what VDN does.
...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
It wasn't the last timeout
where they substituted for Gordon, it was the two before that where all they did is call an offensive play. No one on this board would have complained if he didn’t call those other two timeouts.
Also when the coach mismanages timeouts routinely during the season, then again during the first playoff game and somehow escapes, then mismanages them in the second game and ruins a chance at a win, and then makes it clear he still didn’t learn anything…. it’s perfectly okay to criticize.
This isn’t a case of second guessing. Go look at the game thread. It’s all time-stamped there with people complaining about his stupid chance-killing timeouts as they happened.
" I'm the coach"
Are you Vinny? Are you a coach? really
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Apr 21, 2009 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The only thing that's worse than a guy who is wrong...
…is the guy never figuring out that he can be wrong! Like I said yesterday, he is positively Bush-ian in his inability to introspect and analyze his own errors.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 21, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
PPPUUUKKKKEEE!!!!!
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 21, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
vinny is one of the weirdest guys
ive ever met
you're dumb
by gocubs40
ull think im a genius
when we fuk shyt up against boston. thankyouverymuch
by Belize
Christ
by gocubs40 on Apr 15, 2009
Awww man
You should have assasinated him when you had the chance!
Or at least punch him, or something.
Two Thumbs Down - That's just not cool
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
I'm sorry...
I meant it as a joke… I apologize.
its his first year as a coach
im tired of all this bs talking about how much he sucks. okay. its done. now just live with it. Its just so repetitive and annoying. Be glad your in the playoffs because that is all that matters right now. I want the bulls to win this series as much as anyone but overall we have a 1% chance getting to the finals. So stop being repetitive with all this VDN sucks crap. WE ALREADY KNOW.
yea...
can we move on to talking about how scalabrine is going to be the missing piece to getting the c’s back to the finals. lord knows all of his 3 minutes played in the last playoffs really were the key! but seriously, i do think we’ve dissected the vdn nonsense to it’s end. he’s not stalin, he just isn’t the best at player rotation and time management. just bear in mind who we collectively dealt with last season.
and take a breath…and thank g-d that this moron isn’t still at the helm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Boylan
The Future is Unwritten
You're not getting a grade for reading this.
You can go somewhere else.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I just cannot begin to tell you how sick I am of writing/hearing/seeing the name Vinny.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
I agree. I'm making myself sick obsessing about Vinny the Ninny.
But just when you are trying to excorcise this demon name and think he couldn’t possibly come up with anything even more damaging than before he continues to top himself (or should I say bottom himself?). But for the sake of what little is left of my sanity (Thanks Vinny), my above rant will hopefully be the last time during this series I will have a compulsion to write/hear/ or see the name V NN.
We should boycott references to him and from now on think only positive thoughts.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 22, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
As a C's fan...
I really gotta say I don’t see how you can hate your coach that much.
He’s made mistakes, but has he done anything erm… ‘good’, yet? If so, can any of you Bulls name a positive about VDN? Preferably one other than “He’ll be gone next season”.
- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel
Sorry, but i don't think we can...
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
Unfortunately, he won't be gone next season either.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
A positive?
He’s left Derrick Rose out there on the court exceeding 40+ minutes on many occasions despite the so called “rookie wall”.
He started Ben Gordon every game this season.
In took too long, but he finally buried Larry Hughes on the bench after getting support from management.
I do think we’re pretty harsh on VDN. My sig may say to fire him, but it’s a dated comment. VDN has improved. He’s just the easy scapegoat when the good and the bad on the Bulls is a different player every night.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Ben didn't start every game this season.
Or else I entered an alternate universe where Thabo doesn’t exist. The sky does look bluer outside…
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
heh
maybe I should’ve been more worried then. Just yet another case where even the things Vinny has done well can be explained by injuries. If Hinrich and Gooden never get hurt who knows what happens.
But I do give VDN some cred for not reading all those notes Sam Smith passes him about ‘ultimate 6th man power’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
it's an inverse relation due to love of the players
they deserve better.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just that we're all a bunch
of idiot Cub fans here.
Any more questions?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Fucking del Negro shouldve just instructed the players to intentionally foul rondo
even if he makes both, that would prabably leave us some 7 seconds left,to try and take the game into overtime, instead of wasting the clock down to 2 seconds, because we did not have any Timeouts left.
Derrick Rose: Point GOD
that and it woulda been 2 pts and not 3
otoh, if he misses the 2nd one, we prob don’t have enough time cause of said lack of timeouts, either.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Get a hold of yourself! That's just crazy talk
At no time would I ever want to see an intentional foul at the end of regulation in tied game like that. Especially without a time out. Wisecracks aside, you’ve got to trust your defense in that situation and close down the lane. That’s the best chance you have of prolonging the game in your favor.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
IT would be easier
to task Noah with helping Gordon when Allen is running around three screens to force the ball into Perkins on a mismatch. Make Perkins beat you. Don’t give Allen or Pierce the chance.
Besides, Ben Gordon was ON FIRE to close the game. He made every attempt down the stretch.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
We are winning in spite of Vinny....
we got to beat the faggot celtics, then the refs, and we have to overcome our dumbass coach too! I cant beleive how we all are screaming at the tv or just straight out depressed when we see the obvious. How can this guy not??
oh!
bad word.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh damn! My bad.
but just to cover myself…. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
Won’t happen again.
Calling the celtics a bundle of sticks is offensive?
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 22, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You will never be Miss USA
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Apr 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
After seeing the Miss USA runnerup, I think if I was gay, she would definitely be worth reconsidering my choice of sexual preference.
Now that she lost, maybe we can convince her to become a luvabull for the remainder of the series and everytime Allen is about to launch a 3, instead of Vinny yelling from the sidelines maybe she could make some soft, inviting sensuous suggestion, causing him to fire up an airball (but with a smile on his face.)
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about Perez HIlton on telestrator duty?
A penis for everyone!
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not getting
these references to pop culture and events at all! the runner up miss usa is a tranny? who’s “perez” hilton? do I even want to know (yikes!)? do i need to step outside my cave and start living? or just google?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
maybe not in this case.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
that does it. i
shall remain in-cave, and not google!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Perez Hilton is a quasi-celebrity based off his talking about and with celebrities.
He was one of the judges on the Miss America Pagent and asked Miss California if she thought that all states should allow same sex marriage, since four now allow it. It was a political stunt by him to bring attention to gay rights because he is gay. I don’t necessarily think the question should be completely off limits, but it was basically a question that whoever got it could not win. I mean, you don’t have Huckabee asking contestants if we should overturn Roe V. Wade and outlaw abortion. Divisive political issues are not really Miss America’s fortes. They are pretty and bring attention to “world peace and ending poverty.”
hmmm
sounds like that perez guy might have issues with pretty women, besides the “swollen” ego?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Agree!
You get the feeling he is insecure. I do think he is better than the beginning of the year. The team is still responding to him so I think he must relate well to the players. Not having a timeout and keep Miller in too long was a problem.
There's something to be said for admitting your mistakes
All of the great leaders admit when they are wrong. Even good leaders will admit from time to time. This guy just doesn’t get that it could possibly be his fault. I hope everyone inside the organization is taking note of this personality and leadership flaw.
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