Celtics 118, Bulls 115: Bulls can't overcome Celtics, own coach
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 10:42 PM CDT
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PrintBefore getting to some more bile directed at VDN, I'll start with good happy thoughts: It's official that the Bulls are fairly evenly matched against the Celtics. If Leon Powe is out that narrows the talent margin even more. And the Bulls look like they believe, and it's been showing in their play. Those mostly easy (made to be less easy, perhaps) wins down the stretch didn't make them a better team, but it maybe made them think they were a better team. Winning is fun, confidence is contagious, and the Bulls as a result have a lot of good players playing at a high level.
Especially tonight with Ben Gordon. Who, if the Bulls won, would've had the entire post dedicated to his brilliance. This is a team that has no plan, no structure, no plays, no offense. Though that breakdown into one-on-one play happens more often in the playoffs anyway, it's always there on the Bulls. So guys like Gordon are vital, and he carried the Bulls on offense all game. I'm not sure how Doug Collins could keep calling Ben Gordon 'streaky' when he both kept them from getting KO'd early in the first and scored nearly every Bulls point down the stretch. That's not streaky, it's being damned good, and believing that the next shot is always going in. Without Gordon tonight this game is out of reach, not a heartbreaker.
(Tried to resist throwing this in when writing this post, but I can't: He better be on this team next season.)
I thought Hinrich, Rose, and Salmons had good games as well, though fouls kept Rose from another great game (hey, it can't happen every time). Again, this is a team that doesn't exactly play together well (even on fast breaks there were clear passes that weren't made in lieu of taking it themselves), but individually they're all pretty good.
The game was lost in the frontcourt. Commenter fundamentallysound ran the four factors for us:
The Bulls had a higher eFG%, FTA/FGA, and lower TO%. The only one of the four factors that they lost was the OReb%. Celtics gathered 42.9% of their misses, whereas the Bulls only grabbed 21.6% of their misses.That’s the entire difference between winning and losing. The Bulls either dominated or slightly edged the C’s in every other category, and because they got hammered on the boards, they lost the game.
Some of the huge disadvantage in 2nd chance points was luck (lots of blocks in the 1st ending up back in the C's hands - and then the basket), but a lot of it was bad positioning and being outmuscled. The Bulls have not been a good defensive rebounding team (in fact they're bottom-5 worst in the league) all season, and it's because their bigs are slight, and often out of position (the downside of being able to fly around and block everything). They likely can't win the battle of the boards in this series, but what they need to avoid is getting blown out in that department.
And a lot of that falls on Tyrus Thomas, who had 4 boards in 20 minutes, pretty much exclusively shooting jump shots on the offensive end. Though he was swatting everything in sight (all the Bulls were. The C's really aren't an above-the-rim team are they?) it wasn't his best game.
But I don't care: He needs to play to close out games. I only slightly believe in this confidence factor making a huge difference, but it can't be good for Tyrus' confidence for him to be on the bench the final 9 minute of the game, after winning the previous one in OT. Brad Miller may have had the better game up to that point, but he never needs to play 35 minutes, and the final 17 minutes of the game. Just looking at him near the end, practically dying on the court: unable to rotate quickly, grab defensive boards (hmmm...) or keep from turning the ball over (and fall over)...actually it's not that rare of a sight, since Vinny has been doing this over and over again seemingly since Miller was acquired.
And it sucks. It sucks to see Vinny not give his team the best chance to win (Lindsey Hunter was at the two for a short stretch as well, what the hell?), and almost sucks worse to think what it does for Thomas long-term. Maybe game one was the start of something special with him, maybe not. But lets find out and not make him sit and watch when he's one of the best (and most important) players on this roster.
So there's that. And running out of time outs...again. When down two with 2 seconds to go, the Bulls couldn't advance the ball. Collins was so perplexed he probably wished he didn't weep his way out of the Bulls coaching search.
It's a shame, because this team has shown yet again how talented it is, and that they're actually quite close to this version of the Celtics. The Celtics haven't played well all series, but the longer that happens, the more one has to believe they're just not that good of a team right now. I mean, Glen Davis took 21 shots. So for the Bulls, considering the lack of coaching has been apparent all season, I wish Vinny would just go full hands-off: play your best, and get the heck out of the way.
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i went to the game and pretty much posted my thoughts in the "VDN sucks/bulls did what they had to do" thread
but i’ll sum it up here.
the offensive rebounding was the killer. we get a few of those the game is over. perkins fucking sucks. the “noah sucks” chant was hilarious. gordon had to forcibly lead noah away at one point he was so upset. there was a dude sitting near me who was also rooting for the bulls and when gordon hit the 2nd three to put them up 5 we both went crazy, that was fun.
but honestly i couldn’t see the bulls winning both at the garden, and the fact that they got this close gives me hope. to get one from the C’s in the garden, in the atmosphere there (where they were going nuts at the first shots the celtics made), shows me they can win there again if they had to. i was expecting a blow out win tonight but the bulls were just as gritty as game 1. sure there was a lot of stuff that could have gone differently. but ray allen was due for some clutch shooting – just too bad there was no way to try to get a last shot off.
i’m hoping the bulls can pull out games 3 and 4 since they play so strongly at home. it was a great game to watch in person even though they lost.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
lots of loose balls going the C's way too
I think some of that was luck that will be evened out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
of course some of it was luck
but there was one blatant instance of 2 C’s, don’t remember who, pushing noah out of the way for a rebound (happened right in front of my seat), and i’m sure it was happening elsewhere.
i also like having instant replay when i’m watching on tv… it’s actually harder to watch in person for some things. i can’t enumerate the plays as well in my head since i can’t watch it over again.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That pushing and shoving is part of the game, though
Rebounding is a tough battle, a lot of cheap stuff is fair game. Our team just doesn’t have enough muscle, or pull with the officials to get the fouls.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the one that happened close to me wasn't "just a part of the game" though
noah had clear position on them and they shoved him pretty good. i know what i would consider fair, that one wasn’t.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The Perks (ha) of being a champ
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
and they weren't calling shit thats why the C's one.
the refs turned a blind eye to what was going on under the basket thats why Noah almost killed the ref.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Are you saying Rondos injury wasnt legit? (txt under picture)
Cmon, youre better then that…
by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 20, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions
you must be new
I’m clearly not better than that. I’m actually worse. I may have said that Brad Miller was looking like he was going to pull Reggie Lewis out there tonight. :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
hahahahahahhahahaha
wow that is some great hate. rec’d.
i'm pretty sure he's a celtics fan actually
i remember scolding him in last thread
he is.
as I say: that’s one strike coming in. Other teams fans are welcome here, but they do not have equal rights as Bulls fans.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls fans are more equal than others?
Does this make you Napoleon?
Matt is spot on tonight Rondo wasn't hurt.
I was saying to my GF how his ego is bruised cause he took such an ugly fall.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Ancient
hasn’t been even slightly obnoxious. And then you go “Reggie Lewis”? And the post gets rec’ed????
C’mon Bull fans! We are better than Celts’ fans! Aren’t we?
I was annoyed at Ancient’s appearance here post game. Maybe it’s for the best to blast him. Maybe it heads off something inevitable. But I did not laugh. Is something wrong with me?
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
maybe you don't get the joke?
it’s funny because Lewis died of a heart attack. Sheesh.
Anyway, I don’t really believe that Rondo wasn’t hurt. I just can’t stand the melodramatic way the announcers played up his ‘return’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny
as a heart attack. Mmmm hmmm.
;-(
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
and i do know how that phrase goes, normally...
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Rondo learned from the best
Pierce pulled that shit last year against the Lakers…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 21, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
bunch of willis reed wannabees
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
Only Blazers fans care how the rest of the internets perceive them
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's cold.
(like I said in the last overflow thread.)
Miller’s corpse in the 4th wasn’t on just any kind of life support.
He was on cryogenic life support.
Because nothing else would have kept him alive at that point.
Pity, Vinny couldn’t see the tubes coming out of Miller’s face, or the gigantic metal containers of liquid nitrogen as Miller heaved down the court. Vinny just thought that was natural, that the typhoid-like coughs from Miller were because of the ice under the floor for another Bruins game.
/leaving thread.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 20, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
1 more "GF" reference and I'm calling bullshit.
Brad Bumbles is pretty funny though…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Apr 21, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He looked fine to me in the 2nd half
Plus, I think we all learned our lesson over the past few months about trusting medical reports from Boston ;)
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
our assclown doctors who couldnt diagnose deng properly and their medieval quacks should have a contest to see who sucks more
I think Tom Brady just faked it for a year so they could get Cassel out there to get trade value.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
On this note,
the text under the picture should be ‘whose’, not ’who’s’.
grammar police go!
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
correct!
I suck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry,
I’m a pretty fearsome grammar police officer.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Just saw the post game conference from Paul Pierce
he said something like “they were putting different people on me, mixing it up, and to figure out their defensive plans is a head scratcher.”
Should somebody tell him that Vinny has no plans?
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
by Teri on Apr 20, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a head scratcher for our players too
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
CONFUSION BREEDS SUCCESS
VINNY WAS RIGHT!!!!
by NittanyCub on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i forgot to mention this in the prior thread but your comment on lindsey reminded me...
what the hell was he doing out there at the end of the 3rd?? lindsey didnt kill us in his stint in the 1st half, and we shouldve counted our blessings and told him to go back to his role of head cheerleader. but using him at the end of the 3rd— ostensibly because VDN didnt want hinrich to get his 5th— was just inexplicable. vinny has to know we arent going to use kirk down the stretch and that his game is effectively done at the 6 min mark of the 4th, so who cares if he gets his 5th with a minute left in the third; he’s only got 6-7 mins of PT left. and oh yea, hinrich finished the game with 4 fouls. he’s a fucking guard; it’s not that hard to play with foul trouble when you’re a fucking guard
yeah, that was another one.
I feel the same way you did about Hunter’s stint: awesome that it didn’t hurt, but we never needed to see it again. VDN saw otherwise.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to admit
Seeing Lindsey Hunter outplay Stephon Marbury warmed your crass BG infested heart. He even stripped Rondo.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I was getting quite the kick out of Marbury's suckitude
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe that's what happens when you don't play basketball for 1 year and act like you're still good
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
God
I’m so sick of Barkley’s Chicago hate….I mean come on, his talk yesterday was pure hate….why hate on Derrick Rose like he did? Why say that the C’s aren’t playing well, despite getting every close call go there way, and being at home playing against a “miserable” road team?
Why rag on us so much? I know he hates the fact that the Suns didn’t beat MJ’s Bulls, yet oddly he’s friendly with MJ…..
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Marbury was awesome last night!
for our team…
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 21, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Even with an injured KG
It would have been ridiculous for the Bulls to take both games in the Garden. The only way they could have won is if Perkins got in serious foul trouble.
Our big men were horrendous at setting screens tonight. I don’t know if I missed it and maybe the refs called moving screens early on, but the Bulls gave no advantage for Derrick to penetrate. The Celtics defense was much improved, but still you can’t contain Rose 100% of the time in a half-court situation.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
DERRICK ROSE CANNOT PLAY LIKE THIS AGAIN
Look, you had a limping Rondo on him, Celtics bigs in foul trouble…Vinny should have been in Derrick’s face… DRIVE THE BALL TO THE BASKET…TAKE IT TO THEM….THEY CAN’T GUARD YOU.
I’m SICK of Rose’s passiveness, if he just showed up tonight…hell even 1/4th of what he did on Saturday…this game would have been in the bag.
Don’t tell me the Celtics defense was imprenetrable. Please, Rose had AMPLE opportunities to drive. I’m SICK of this passive shy selfless crap. TAKE IT TO THE HOLE, CONTROL THE OFFENSE…GODDAMITTTTTTT!!!!!!
NO MORE PASSIVENESS.
well part of the problem
was that we kept setting useless ball screens for him. all they were doing was giving boston a chance to double him. would’ve been better off just letting him go iso on rondo
Calm down. Take a breath. Relax. It's just basketball.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that!
its more than bball! we wouldnt be on here blogging and wasting our time if it was “just basketball”!
I don't have anything better to do with my time
it’s entertainment. I’m not happy about the fact Derrick didn’t drive as often as he could/should have, but am I upset enough to try to flame someone? possibly, but then again I’m just a prick.
Rose driving
Little note on Rose being able to drive, the C’s played the pick and roll differently today and covered the drive of the PG. They were forcing Brad Miller or whoever set the pick to make the play by leaving him open and then rotating to him. This killed us a few times and our wonderful coach did not make the proper adjustments like having BG screen Rose and Fade like C’s do with Pierce and a shooter and Cavs do with LeBron and a shooter. This makes that tactic deadly and gives up a wide open 3 at worse. Thats just one option, there is a million things we could have differently but its painfully obvious our coaching staff is not up to par at in game adjustments.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 21, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
i couldn't rec this point enough
the C’s were either aggressively trapping or the big man was playing directly behind Rondo, about 3 feet back, waiting to double on any penetration. They were making Noah or Miller make the play. Miller was doing pretty well in the 1st half, but he ran out of gas. At that point it was up to VDN to put Tyrus in or send Noah on the pick. He did neither. If they are going to play Rose like that for the rest of the series, than it should open up more things for BG and Salmons in the half court.
I agree with all your suggestions and would add that the Bulls should clear out for Rose once in a while. There is no way Rondo can guard him 1 on 1.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 21, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, people keep acting like the PG can do whatever he wants without any help from the teammates
Rondo is an amazing dribble penetrator because he has Perkins and (reg. season) KG setting great picks for him.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think Boston did an amazing job
on the pick n roll. Rose was double teamed. And what I love about Derrick is he will not force the issue. We need to get D Rose in transition though. We did not run nearly enough.
Vinny...you look confused
In the post game press conference in game one Vinny said on of the most stupidest things I have ever
heard. Rose put on a rookie performance that had not been matched for 30 years and Vinny totally underrated the performance and he was more impressed with the assists.
WHO IN THE HELL WOULD WANT TO PLAY HARD FOR AN ASSHOLE LIKE THAT. Vinny did not like it when Derrick scored the 36 points, so in game two Derrick said fuck it.
um...doubt that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And seeing what we’ve seen and hearing what we’ve heard from Rose all year, I’m sure Derrick was happiest with the assists and actually would have given him a B grade that game because of hte 5 TO’s….
I think there’s no problems at all between Vinny and Derrick….NONE.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Well, it wouldn't be good if Vinny overhyped his performance
Vinny is trying to make sure that rose stays level-headed throughout the playoffs.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
we need drew gooden back
he is playing a hell of a game for the san antonio sperms
my bad
i like to crack a joke from time to time.
by joetheplumber on Apr 20, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No, the Bulls need a 6'9 power forward who doesn't defend, rebound, pass, or shoot well at all
But certainly acts like he does. I’d rather have Nocioni than Gooden.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe now more attention will be paid to Vinny's incompetence
People who don’t follow the Bulls might not understand why sitting Tyrus Thomas for the entire 4th quarter is dumb, but running out of timeouts in two straight playoff games is something anyone can understand. Doug Collins isn’t known for ripping other coaches, but he kept going on about how he couldn’t believe they were out of timeouts.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Because Doug Collins was a coach, and even a freak like him knows how stupid it is
To not leave your team with any outs in a playoff game.
I really can’t believe they lost this game, I feel like I could criticize Vinny and call Perkins foul things for hours.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i hate that perkins fellow.
i think it’s his constant look of sheer disgust with everything
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From now on on BlogABull, he is "Porkins". :)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 21, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it
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I'm sure though that the
Lindsey Hunter steal and called timeout before the foul was called hurt. Vinny’s issue yesterday was that he had them runt he BG play 5 seconds early….leaving 12 seconds on the clock to 5-6. I like the idea of getting a quick(er) shot up to give a chance to rebound and try again…or have them a 4 second chance with the pressure to take a typically very low percentage try at tying or stealing….but that was just too much time.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Oh my gosh. This is a real Vinny quote:
Del Negro said he had instructed the Bulls to run a high screen-and-roll for Derrick Rose in the Celtics’ final timeout with 12.3 seconds left. “Get it in, depending on where the clock was,” Del Negro said. “There obviously wasn’t a lot of time.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-21-bulls-celtics-chicagoapr21,0,2675808.story
:: head in hands ::
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by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How the fuck can you run a screen roll with that little time left?
There was obviously only going to be a few seconds on the clock if the Bulls got the ball back. All you can really do there is inbound the ball and throw up a shot. How can he not understand that?
Why resort to name calling?
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because that's the entire extent of our offensive playbook.
actually, we have that one other play where gordon runs the width of the court and gets a stagger screen. but that play definitely can’t be done in 2 seconds, so it’s back to the other play in the book
The guy really looks dumber and dumber after every press conference
Did he think the C’s were going to shoot the ball immediately or something? Did he not realize the shot clock was off? Does he have a brain under all of that hair?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
haha
indeed, that’s….what the hell is that?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
About not having any timeouts...Vinny probably expected that his team would take a final shot
or the Celts would have just a few seconds left with the ball. Which is reasonable. Gordon saw a shot and made it, and he was definitely in a groove.
But…Vinny should still go F*CK himself.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 20, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't wait for the final shot when you're down by two
You take the first good shot, so you can foul and get the ball back if you miss.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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24 sec violation
Did anyone see the 24 second violation on Salmons when he hit that three pointertowards the end of the 3Q? I swear that he got the shot off before the clock went to zero.
i thought
he just bricked it, but from the cameras angle it looked like it went in?
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 20, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
actually. I'm looking at it right now. He gets it off, and hell it sure looks like the ball went in.
its with 10 seconds left in the 4th, anybody else who recorded it wanna check if my eyes deceive me?
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 20, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i recorded it
but i was at the game in front of the bulls basket at the time and i don’t recall either of the bulls 24 second clock violations ending in a made shot. pretty sure salmons bricked that one off the front of the rim but it fell straight down so maybe the camera angle made it look like it went in.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I was pretty sure it went in
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I recall feeling stupid.
Like jumping up giving everyone high fives as someone taps me on the shoulder saying it didn’t go in. That sucked.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
I did, too, but wouldn't they have argued or something?
There was zero reaction from Bulls.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I think it hit the net
that’s why it looked like a swoosh but it never hit rim.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
i'm telling you guys
it was right in front of my face, it didn’t go in. if it’s the one i’m thinking of, it looked like it hit the front of the rim and fell straight down – with the right cam angle, i could see it looking like it went in. ;)
i still think it was before the shot clock though and it looked like it did draw iron.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
yeah, one of the 24 second violations
i thought was crap, cause i was sitting behind the bulls basket at the time. not sure which one that one was, though.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
and i don't think he made one
but it did hit the rim
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
you caught that too?
me and my buddies were wondering too..looked like it went in, and on time too. I don’t get why they didn’t even show a replay
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All I want from Vinny
is for Rose, Gordon, Noah, and Thomas to play for most of the 4th quarter, and to save enough time outs for the end.
That’s all I want. Is that too much to ask?
The Hair looks unfavorably upon your meager requests.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, it's better than
a Rose/Gordon/Noc/Noah/Gooden lineup. Maybe I should hope for more, but Brad Miller was pretty good this game. I don’t think Vinny has enough restraint to know when one of his players has reached their limit minute-wise, especially an old slug like Miller.
Miller was good
it sucks that Vinny takes away his effectiveness by overplaying him. I even was going to say that Miller was inspired by 4/20. Damn you Vinny for stomping on my comedy bits!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 20, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
11 points on 2 shot attempts is pretty redass
But that doesn’t mean he can play the rest of the game without impunity.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, having your 34 year old center dribble penetrate is a bad thing?
On the Bulls, that’s plan 1B on Vinny’s leaflet “How to fuck shit up.”
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
How I saw Brad Miller tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPMo14XTTvE
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by SoulEater7 on Apr 20, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason we don't have that
is because Paxson traded them away.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Good Lord
Maybe Marbury airballed his one shit because of all the deflected wavelengths coming off of Garnett’s head towards his path. There’s no way you can naturally get your head that shiny without some kind of polish.
pay this man?
It's tough to be around competitive situations . . . but I've been able to manage. I've been able to survive. (GOAT)
No one's really commented on this,
but Boston did a superb job shutting down Derrick Rose. Rondo got him in foul trouble for the first quarter, and they weren’t letting him drive to the lane at all. Unfortunately for them, Gordon can be just about to equally effective as Rose.
I really hope Marbury plays more. He is just grand.
I thought the game was called totally different from the first game.
It took the Bulls awhile to adjust. TNT sucks by the way.
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Rose had zero ft attempts.
Called differently? Yes, I’d think so. The refs sent a big message there. Good thing we have Gordon or it would be the Mavs/Spurs game. Even with the refs we were in a position to win.
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Thats what I was saying when I said Miller would be more effective during the home stand.
He’s not getting those calls when he drives to the hoop and flips up the little wrist shots. With the home crowd behind him I could see him getting more of those calls. Plus he loves to whine.
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And he still shouldn't be playing in the 4th.
Double that if he already has 20 mins down the drain. I have no idea why Vinny doesn’t see how bad off his is. He is typically a good guy for us, but NOT when he clocks in more than 20 minutes. He is old. Not his fault, but the coach is abusing him by having him out there.
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When Porkins is Millers age
he will be teaching diabetes management classes at youth camps. Miller is excellent for his age, but age still has to be taken into account. Not wishful thinking of Miller from ten years ago or something.
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yeah, and rondo had 8 in the first quarter alone...
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Derrick
Also though wasn’t nearly as aggressive. True Boston changed their philosophy, but there were quite a few times where they’d get caught having Perkins or Davis or heck Pierce on Derrick at the top of the key, and Derrick wasn’t doing his aggressive thing…..I know the early foul trouble started this….btu Derrick’s done that in the past too.
I think he’ll bounce back in a big way and I did think that while his overall numbers weren’t great, Derrick played a good, solid game….those blocks were fantasic.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Fixed
The officials Rondo got him in foul trouble for the first quarter
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 21, 2009 3:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Salmons nailed that 3. It went in and he shot it before the clock went off. I don’t know why it wasn’t reviewed.
Miller was horrible in the 4th, his turnovers were terrible and he wasn’t getting any boards. He doesn’t need to play past the 3rd quarter.
They could have won if they could have grabbed that rebound after Rondo missed the jumper.
And I can’t believe again Vinny burns all timeouts…what a fuckin idiot. Are Del and Bernie allowed to speak, can’t they pipe up and say something about this bullshit.
We should have won this game, but BG was incredible tho. Dude is sofa king clutch
The coaching staff should "hide" a time out
so that for the final play they could go TAH-DAH and we’d have one. Because has Vinny EVER ended a game right?
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by cranscape on Apr 20, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tyrus
He should be out there in the fourth. More than anything though, he should understand the importance of not allowing second chance shots instead of going for weakside blocks in most situations. I think part of the reluctance is that brad miller is a better rebounder (when he isnt exhausted) in terms of actually boxing out and being in position. Veteran savvy.
How about just blocking the shot to yourself
This swatting nuisance is stupid. Block like Bill Russell and merely stop the path of the ball. It will hit your hand and fall right to you.
Swatting shots for the cameras makes about as much sense and a taxi cab Ferrari.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
it's a lot easier to direct where you block shots
when you’re bill russell and swatting the shots of guys 6 feet tall taking set shots. don’t fall into the trap of believing everything bill simmons says about how easy it is to direct blocks to teammates. it’s really hard, and they make the swatting motion because if you just kept your hand there you’d either not get the block or get a goaltend
I don't like these guys tattoos either!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
perkins really pisses me off
I can’t wait to see noah dominate and taunt him at the UC.
I asked the question who do you hate more Perkins or House I changed my mind tonight
Perkins hands down. I don’t even think he looks at the hoop when he throws up that garbage.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
and Vinny
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 20, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
loves them too *
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 20, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Barkley also drinks and drives, goes to jail, and (my favorite)
loses 1993 playoff finals
Advantage: Chicago
And rum cake
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He's still butt hurt
even all these years later.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Apr 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Game 3, no Powe, no Garnett, the UC...
It’s like St.Patty’s Day all over again.
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
and maybe Rondo's sprained ankle will swell up?
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by chibullsfan03 on Apr 20, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we'll win both games at the uc
by 10-15 points.
Big Baby is the problem
we can’t give up more than 15 points to that fat tub of shit.
he is inconsistent
he’s been like that after Garnett was injured. Shoot the lights out one game, and gets single digits the next game .
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
The playoffs make me really dislike the other teams players but for some reason
I hate everyone on Boston. They really are classless. They won’t win a title this season thats for sure. they might not even make it out of this series.
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I sort of agree.
I don’t like Perkins or Davis at all.
I like Rondo because he’s awesome, and he wasn’t being arrogant prick.
Pierce and Allen were excitable, but they’ve been around long enough and are both good enough in their own rights (unlike the fatties above) to have earned it.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I'm glad Noah isn't backing down from those two. Even Miller is pushing them back.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Everyone talks
about how much they hate Perkins and Davis….
I hate them too, but how bout Eddie House, i hate hiss sorry ass the most!
yeah, they're pretty annoying
seeing them in person only made it more so. perkins is a piece of shit. i never minded pierce or allen, and they’re not the ones shouting “mother fucker” when they didn’t even dress (seriously, i’ve lost so much respect for garnett).
i also agree with scottie above, that eddie house sucks, but god perkins, i wish noah had just decked him.
rondo i don’t have a problem with either.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The KG
Barking on all fours at a rookie early this year during a game, didn’t make you lose respect for him?
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
i meant this season, really
not that particular thing at the end of last night’s game. yes, of course the barking on all fours thing contributed.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Pierce and Allen are great players, and great personalities
Rondo is kind of arrogant, but he’s young and just really, really good.
Perkins…..ugh. He’s not even a good basketball player. He’s just…..big, like a Robert Traylor that stays in shape.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Rondo
What a player. I’ve seen him a few times before and liked him, but wow he doesn’t complain, he doesn’t get many antics, he just attacks and is far better than given credit for (and he gets a lot of credit).
I also like Ray Allen, because well he’s been good forever and was forever underappreciated pre-Celtics (even though he was an all star, he was rarely voted in and was only selected because coaches knew how awesome a player he was).
Pierce? Eh. THe rest of them? Completely move on. Though I have been voting for more Mikki Moore and especially more Stephon Marbury (far more Stephon Marbury) cuz they help us.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
I have no problem with Big Baby scoring
especially since he got the majority of his points with his jumpshot.
I’ll live with his jumpshot.
by Edicus2288i on Apr 20, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah because what happened to that jump shot when it mattered?
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Big Baby
can shoot all the mid range jumpers he wants. Those will not fall in the UC!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 21, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, the guy is not going to go 12-21 every night
he was shooting jumpers mostly.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
He's making them when he's open and taking them in rhythm
When he’s challenged the shots are poor. When left wide open they are going in.
Guard him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
they did need to make him work harder for some of them, yes
but i still doubt that many of them go in on most nights, even as wide open of looks as he got.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
if it's between
Big Baby, Pierce, Rando, or Allen scoring…please big baby fire away!
Vinny...you look confused
It's the playoffs
You have to closeout on everyone. Make Big Baby dribble. Right now he is making the wide open, in rhythm, in the flow of the Celtics offense set jump shots. You have to close out and make him dribble or pass to put the Celtics in a lower percentage situation with precious seconds ticking away.
In short, the case for Tyrus playing more and having the coaches coach him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And he was like 12-15 or something early on too….that won’t happen…
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
100% disagree
I would keep letting Big Baby shoot, he isn’t going to be great from mid-range all the time or at least rather get beat by that then PaulPierce and Allen dominating and getting to the line, so keep trying to double / get ball out of those guys hands and make the other Celtics score
by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 21, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather
Glen Davis get shots like he got than have the infinitely better Pierce or Allen get those shots. We had a nice strategy there. I know Ray got his share in the 2nd half, but that was after BG and crew fought through sometimes 4 different screens (some moving that weren’t called).
I’ll have Glen Davis try to beat us the rest of the series and be happy even if somehow he does. He won’t do that again this series though in my estimation.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
You have to admit the Bulls are beating up Boston pretty good.
Even if Boston advances it’s going the distance in 6 or 7. They won’t have much left in the tank. This is a battle. They look pretty worn even Doc rivers looks dead.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Im really depressed right now. Anyone else feel the same?
Milton Bradley will win the 2009 NL MVP
by Milton's Gameboard on Apr 21, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
Yes.
I do. It was just such a crappy, anti-climactic way for the game to end.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
Not really.
I think the Bulls have the series in their hands. I think they can take both home games go up 3-1. It took everything Boston had to win that game tonight. Bulls should be getting more calls and we could see one blow out.
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A little depressed that it was within reach,
Gordon’s good night was wasted, yet another Vinny MillerTime/TimeOut blunder in the 4th, rebounders that can’t get away with the shirt pulling and pushing the Celtics, etc, yet…. then I look at the score and the quarter splits and think that the Celtics have to feel pretty sick themselves. The Bulls stuck with them despite their regrouping and refs setting a different tone. We didn’t lay a turd like the Mavs tonight. The Celtics had to expel so much energy to squeeze out this game. This is not what they want to do in the first round for their first two home court games. We won one. They won one. We haven’t been put in our place like they wanted to do to us. We still think we can win. And now we will be back home where we should get the favor. They were weak enough we smelled blood and went for it. Our score might be even, but the outlook is good for us.
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I am impressed with the Bulls
Everytime Boston makes a run, we counter it. That is tough to do in the playoffs/on the road. The UC needs to be crazy Thursday! I hope everyone on this blog is going. I know Chi-Town fans will represent though…we always do
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoops, stupid netbook and apostrophes ...
Anyways. I’m poor and have class during the game, so I won’t be going. In spirit, though … in spirit.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
LOL
That’s all that matters!
Vinny...you look confused
I fucking hate espn, They post the story as "and like that, Bostons Back"
yeah they’re soo back.pfff
Bulls looked so much better than them most of the game.
We Really should’ve had this game
I cant wait to start yelling Perkins sucks at the next game
I never watch ESPN when my team loses they just cater to the winning side because
they know thats who is watching.
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If we were the Mavs then yeah
maybe so. But the game was close the whole time and the Celtics did not accomplished everything they set out to do. We were not demoralized. It could have easily gone the other way yet again. If anything the Celtics showed they couldn’t dominate. They could squeak one out. We are a 40 win team with a rookie pg, young bigs, and rookie coach. The Spurs got it done. The Celtics did not. They are coming to Chicago with their vitals exposed and some angry young guys ready to show the home crowd what they can do.
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Urg, Hulk smash!
Vinny brings out the green monster in us.
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Yeah, that's pretty retarded.
Maybe they mean it’s a series now, because otherwise it would be a Bulls blowout. :P
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Let's give Vinny his due by taking a 4th quarter trip down memory lane which makes a very strong case for having Brad Miller keeping TT on the bench.
At 11:45 Miller was stripped with the score 88-87 Celtics. Moments later Perkins hit a 5 footer with the slow footed center trailing him…..Boston 90 Bulls 87.
Miller’s 1st shot came at 7:52 with the Celts ahead 95-93. He missed a one footer at the rim while facing the basket.
Brad didn’t take a shot until 4:18, clanking an 8 footer with the Celts up 104-101.
Brad grabbed his first rebound at 3:18 and another defensive board at 2:55 for his only 2 in the 4th quarter.
Meanwhile he did a great job stopping Kendrick Perkins holding him to 4 of 4 from the field in the 4th while blocking out sufficiently to limit him to only 3 defensive and 4 offensive rebounds. Did I mention those O.T.‘s led to 9 points on 4 FG’s including a 3 pointer?
With victory within their reach leading 109-104 with 2:20 left he switched with Noah to guard Davis in the paint and big baby laid it in while Brad was stumbling back to defend, bringing the Celts within 3 at 109-106. On the next offensive series Miller continued to impress Vinny when Rondo stole it from him (1:51) and went coast to coast for a dunk, bringing the Beantowners to only a 109-108 deficit and obviously bringing back their confidence and getting the crowd to deliver an uproarious crescendo of approval.
As our soon to be departed shooting guard hit another impossible shot to give the Bulls a 3 point lead again, Rondo blew by our great interior defender (B.M.) forcing Noah to switch which of course left Davis open for a cripple to once again bring Boston within 1 at 111-110 with 1:39 left. but still no Tyrus sighting…who would want someone who blocked 6 shots in 20 minutes over a slow, plodding turnover machine who was so gassed he couldn’t have stopped Danny Ainge from his hospital bed.
This was followed by Noah missing a layup, probably due to his exhaustion battling the Celtic behemouths with no help from Miller. Boston came down and took the lead at 112-111 and Vinny the master of game management called a timeout to apparently tell everyone that maybe Ben Gordon should take the next shot?
Well the rest is history. Vinny used the last timeout to bring in Tyrus with the game tied to guard…………to guard…………..would you believe? Boston’s top threat, Eddie House.
I’m sure he was going to be the go to man so it was another brilliant strategic move by our leader….proof …they didn’t even try to run a play for him. Instead shock of all shocks it went from Pierce to Allen. Kirk was guarding him tighter than O. J. Simpson’s glove and would have probably stopped him until Davis ran over and knocked him out of the way with a hard 2 handed shove, thus freeing Allen for the dagger.
Vinny’s end game strategy still left the Bulls with over 2 seconds to go the length of the floor for a tiebreaker so naturally they gave it to our most deadly 3 point shooter, Tyrus who finally was awarded another touch after rotting away on the bench as usual during the 4th quarter push. As everyone saw he missed a wide open 78 footer and that was the ball game.
After this heartbreaker, my intense Vinny love is starting to fade. Is there such a thing as justifiable homicide for NBA fans who once again were subjected to indescribable abuse and mental cruelty by someone who almost makes one long for last years interim coach who will go nameless?
.
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Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Perkins had 4 O.R.'s not 4 O.T.'s my bad.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
My voice is horse from screaming over and over
Vinny take out Miller!!!
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
great post man..
just when i was slowly calming down… reading this makes me atrociously angry again!! VINNY!!! raaaaa
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
re: My 4th quarter lament. I have a couple of corrections.
When Allen hit the shot, he got the pass from Rondo, not Pierce but the flagrant illegal moving or should I say running screen by Davis was very accurately described. I also said TT missed a 78 footer for the tie-breaker. Actually the attempt was less than 60 feet and even if it went in, it would only bring an overtime tie, at which point, VDN could once again insert Miller for his veteran leadership. I seriously think that Aaron Gray would have been much more effective than Brad in the closing minutes since after keeping us in the game in the first half, all his energy was spent by the time the 4th quarter started.
Also in once again demonstrating the total stupidity that passes for his crunch time strategy, he had Tyrus replace Ben Gordon, so if somehow the Bulls regained possession in that final 12 seconds and needed a hurry up shot for the gamewinner, the man who scored 42 points was on the bench and who can seemingly get off a shot from anywhere on the court was not even an available option.
Why don’t our beat writers force him to explain his illogical moves because I seriously think this man suffering from the emperor has no clothers syndrome is cluelessly unaware of his knownothingnesss. I also place blame on our trio of assistants for not reminding him over and over again that saving a timeout is crucial in games like this especally after being in the same boat without a paddle in game one. When the game ended the Celtics still had a 20 second time out to utilize if necessary. But not our retarded cousin Vinny, with my humble apologies to all those of special needs who look like Einsteins compared to him at times..
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2009 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I try to be fair to Vinny but this was too much!!
Certain players come throuugh at end of games and Tyrus has proven he can be one of them. I told my wife we are going to lose this game because Miller is there instead of TT.
On a side note these games can be excrutiating to watch. I need TUMS handy watching these close games. Thursday is key. We need the next two to win the series. Let them see RED!!
Noah / end of game
Noah plays hard and I have liked his play overall a lot this series, but that miss dunk/layup was huge, I know you can’t make all of them but was a key play
also agree end of game D was strange, not sure why Tryus was guarding House, it would have been better to have him guard a big, like if he was guarding Davis, then he could have doubled on Allen to help Kirk out on that pick, personally with that little time off, I would have told Noah if Davis picks for Allen then switch/double Allen. Allen was on fire and if they were forced to pass to an open or kirk gaurded Davis I would rather have rushed shot from him
by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 21, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You had intense Vinny love??
and it’s just now starting to fade???
There will be plenty of time to go over the next game in detail over the next two days
so in the meantime I just have a couple thoughts:
1. I absolutely despise Boston and every player on that team.
2. I really, really. really hope that the UC crowd gets crazy as shit for these next couple games. No matter what anybody wants to say about any of our players, where they made mistakes or whatever, there is no doubt in my mind that each and every one has played there ass off in this series. And it’s fucking great to see. Now I just hope that those fat, burger loving sons of bitches will get off their lazy asses and show the team some love cause they really deserve it. Then maybe after this series is over I won’t feel as shitty as I do right now.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Also, R.I.P. to all the T's on every keyboard that were destroyed during the course of that game.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 21, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol
Wow I was thinking the same thing.
I hope the UC is berserk!
You have the beat up defending Champs on the ropes please drink! Please be loud and please taunt Perkins.
This has been such an entertaining series please don’t let us down!
I can’t wait for the player into’s. I might have to watch CSN for that since TNT and ESPN never show them.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
It really will be such a downer if the crowd isn't into it
If we win these next couple and the loudest cheers are still for Big Macs I am gonna be REALLY down on Bulls fans (present company excluded of course).
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 21, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, the "love it live" bulls fans..
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
no doubt I'll be sitting there
silent and angry. Until 5 minutes after the Bulls win and I realize it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
You better start a fourth quarter "Bring in, Tyrus" chant.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
the "Save a timeout " chant.
by El Toro de Goro on Apr 21, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Save-A-Time-Out ::clap, clap, clap::
yep, that’ll work.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The UC gets up for the playoffs
Plus, Perkins has given the drunk Chicagoans plenty of fodder (we are just as classless as the Garden folk).
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Grabowskis = (Sullys + Murphs)
Really, the same people.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the UC is great for Playogg games...
It will be loud. I will be there Thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
playoff games...sorry
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
too bad posey isn't on boston anymore
i would’ve loved a return of the posey sucks chant
Who will Benny shoot with a T-shirt?
(Hopefully Porkins)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 21, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
FAKKKK
What the hell did we do? Why do we gotta play against our own coach? This guy is retarded, I had been thinking he is getting better and learning little by little, then this happens… This guy better start learning, thats two games in a row we ran out of time outs. You dont have to be a genius to know you save one for stuff like this, specially if it happened the night before, and I am sure everybody feels a hot Gordon on a play from the sideline would be a nice chance to win…I wont even get in to what this retard did wrong today in terms of PT and lineups and defensive decisions.. (BIG BABY, REALLLYY BIGGG F’N BABBYYY killed us???) I am kind of sick right now and kind of feel bad for the players. Learn come on.. It seems like we are stuck with him since we probably wont fire him after this no matter, so he might as well learn and get this right.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Apr 21, 2009 1:46 AM CDT reply actions
That's what sucks the most...he almost had our hopes up after the first 3 quarters.
Doc Rivers used to have the same kind of complaints from Celtics fans before KG/last year.
But leaving an exhausted Miller in over Tyrus? When he had 6 blocks in 20 minutes?
Expecting VDN to make the right moves is like expecting a guy with Down’s syndrome to win on Jeopardy! Not gonna happen.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 21, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The end of this game reminded me of the notorious Orlando - Indiana playoff game...
when Brian Shaw, Reggie and Penny Hardaway scored back to back to back potential game winners before the killer jumper from the free throw line….
The scenario was perfect for a double screen on Gordon and a game winner swish at the buzzer….. if we had a timeout……….
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VINNY DEL NEURONLESS…
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
Haven't watched the 2nd half yet, but
did the officials call the 1st half very differently from the way they called the 2nd half. The Celtics committed 15 first half fouls and just 6 in the second half.
The Bulls may have been less aggressive in the 2nd half. What gives? They were attacking the rim down 11 and it got them back into the game.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Collins
is probably calling Gordon streaky because of the difference in performance between game 1 and game 2.
One thing that I did notice is that VDN stopped calling plays for Rose. I know Gordon was hot and at the end we almost won riding on his back but it’s okay to go for a knock punch even when your jab is working. Rose’s speed tires the Celtics and Gordon running off screens to get open takes a toll on Allen. When Allen has to guard Gordon one on one Allen does not get as tired. Gordon was great; I just wish VDN would call more plays.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
He said 5'11"
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Sham mentioned that on RealGM
Ben’s like the inverse LeBron – LeBron’s legend has him growing larger and larger all the time (at last count he was 270 pounds and 6’10") whereas Gordon just keeps shrinking according to the “experts” He started out at 6’3" and now he’s down to 5’11"!
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If everyone is 2" shorter than their listed height
then it is all relative and hardly matters.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Except Gordon isn't.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Rondo is listed as 6' 1"
And doesn’t seem taller than Gordon. If Gordon is suddenly 5’ 11" then Rondo is 5’ 9". And none of the Boston media accuses him of that. So…
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
I meant: Gordon isn't 2" shorter than his listed height.
At least, as far as “in shoes” is considered.
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what, he only scored 20 in game 1?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
it was a shitty 20 points
besides the fourth quarter
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I, uh...
::dumbfounded::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish someone would explain the Ben Gordon hate.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 21, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He's SO SHORT!
AND HE CAN’T RUN THROUGH 4 SCREENS AT ONCE
ZOMG BEN GORDON IS WORTHLESS
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
VDN shows his true (and very ugly) colors...
It was totally predictable that the Bulls would lose game 2 as a result of poor coaching, and of course they did. I’m not going to spend time on a long break-down, but will simply highlight three monumental blunders:
– Rondo suffers a real ankle sprain before half-time, is noticeably slowed in the second half, yet shockingly few plays were designed to allow Rose to take advantage of the glaring weakness and drive to the basket.
– the obviously destructive time-out management.
– when one of the greatest shooters in the history of the game is white hot, any serious coach would insist that his team not allow that player to even receive the ball with 12 seconds left in the game. Allen should have (essentially) been double-teamed, and if one of the other Celtics (including Pierce) beat you, you accept it and move on. There is NO WAY that Allen should have even touched the ball on that last possession. Period.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Apr 21, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
OMG!
I was shouting at the TV when Collins mentioned that Rondo was physically limping. “Why isn’t Derrick Rose taking it at him EVERY TIME?!?” Instead we’d watch John Salmons with his Shake n’ Bake offense. Killed me!
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
by OldSkoolSloan on Apr 21, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Second reply
Watching with my girlfriend (a Boston native, ugh), I mentioned that you let anyone else in the building beat you. Even if that means completely leaving Fat Baby open at the basket. It’s like not doubling Jordan at the end of the second Utah series. Do not even let him catch the ball.
I’m supposed to be working. I need to move on…
Actually, bump that. I’m going over to the Celtics blog and inciting them.
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
by OldSkoolSloan on Apr 21, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
agree
posted same thing earlier, even if Allen was able to catch the ball he should have had one or 2 Bulls in his face – either he would have to have made tougher shot or there was not a lot of time for more then 1 pass and rather have someone else try and make a quick shot off Allen’s pass
by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
badnewsintennisshoes points out very clearly what every Bulls fan was questioning.
I seriously am beginning to think that Vinny who was a point guard and played 9 years in the NBA cannot be as dense as his (lack of) decision making implies. Thus I conclude that with the pressure on and having no experience from which to react instinctively to these situations, he is constantly running through a whole bunch of theoretical options as the clock and the game is ticking away.
Being unable to sort out this overload of mishmosh leads to an almost complete mental block where he is unable to think on his feet which then leads to another Bulls De-feat, As Matt so aptly said…The Bulls couldn’t overcome the Celtics and thier COACH!
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
End of half/quarter subbing fiasco
Most of my texts to friends last night were about how much I hate Vinny. I like how he TRIES to impersonate a coach, but fails.
At the end of the first half and third quarter he subbed out Rose to insert Lindsey Hunter (and Linton Johnson…the Third! at the half) cause, Coaching 101 says: “Don’t let your star pick up a foul at the end of a quarter/half.” In each instance, there was about 45 sec or so to go. That means about 3 or maybe 4 possessions with Suck and Suck Part II in the game. And it’s not like they’re defensive stoppers! You’re taking out key starters for three or four crucial possessions in a tight game.
At the half, we had the opportunity to hold for the last shot, but LJ3 jacked a stupid 3 off the offensive board and Hunter fouled Pierce at the 3 point line. Potential 6-point swing (although Pierce only hit 2).
At the end of the 3rd quarter, Rondo drove easily once he realized Hunter (that would be Suck Part 1) was guarding him.
And did Rose foul out? Was he injured? WTF!?! I hate you Vinny with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns!
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
vice versa
hunter was the idiot who shot that at the end of the half and johnson was the one who fouled. i was PISSED. this dude has played in the nba how goddamn long and he didn’t hold for the last shot?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i'm pretty sure the shot clock was about to expire
because the shot before missed the rim
i didn't remember that
but it’s possible. the bulls were also shooting at the basket far from me (i was behind the other one) so it’s possible i didn’t catch a good angle on it. i don’t think i would have been that made if i thought we were running out of shot clock.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Wait, wait, wait.
Bad thought: Does Del Negro see how pushed around the Bulls were and he starts Miller over Thomas?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
And he might even give Gray some mights to have that big body :(
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
VDN
Better learn how to work the refs. Doc is a master at it and in the playoffs you have to do that at home!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Apr 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
But now, after all those emotions during yesterday game, I kind of understand Vinnys decision of playing Miller in the 4th. I’m not saying that was a good decision, just that I understand it. Miller was having a good game. We needed someone to rebound, since we were getting killed on the boards, and he was doing that better than Tyrus. The problem, in point of view, was one thing that Matt said.
Brad Miller (…) never needs to play 35 minutes, and the final 17 minutes of the game
That’s it. He was tired. That’s why he kept making mistakes, not running the floor, not grabbing the ball after all those passes from Rose and so on and so on. He needed a rest and Vinny didn’t gave him that. Maybe he forgot that Miller doesn’t have Roses age…
i agree...
during the broadcast Doug Collins noticed that pierce looked tired..and within a minute doc saw the same thing and put him on the bench for rest… why the hell couldn’t Vinny see that miller was dying out there?? it makes no sense to me.. in the 4th there was a play where miller got a rebound and ray Allen pretty much jumper over his back to get the ball and they both went to the ground… but the refs called a jump ball, instead of an over the back foul.. i was hoping for miller to get pissed and somehow get thrown out, so vinny had no choice to play Tyrus; like the Detroit game..
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
The only problem being this assumes that if Tyrus was having a good game, he'd have been in
- but he wouldn’t. Vinny has done this every game with Brad, even when Tyrus plays out of his mind (see: Game 1 and the rest of the year since the trade). If it’s because of Brad’s FT shooting, that’s just looney toons because Tyrus is a 79% FT shooter.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I surely can't find a explanation for that
The only reason that I see has to do with Miller having more weight – in the last quarter the games become more physical and that’s important – and being more experienced. Or maybe Vinny thinks that we need that post presence, since Tyrus prefers to stay away from the basket and shoot jumpers… I don’t now… :s
Perkins and Davis played the entire half. I couldn't imagine what a run-run-running Thomas...
…could have helped.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Geez
The whole half they played and STILL we were not attacking the rim. Lack of coaching?
I’m watching this third quarter and the Bulls appear to have gone to the rim a total of 2 times in the whole quarter.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad plays for the passing opportunities
He’s a far superior passer to Noah or Thomas. But if he doesn’t rebound, well, when your 5 doesn’t rebound you often lose games.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and John Salmons hasn't been that good for 5 straight games now.
He has two assists in 80+ minutes of playoffs. He’s a selfish basketball player, and when he’s not shooting at a 45+% FG% and 40% 3PT%, he’s a baaaaaad, bad offensive player.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
i thought he tried to attack boston
and drew contact every time… but no calls.. so i think he went back to taking jumpers… although i must say that hes had pierce down for the most part.
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
He should go to "passing".
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
i agree
but i do think that’ll be tough, cause i dont think hes ever had to pass a lot… im really not expecting him to change his game all of a sudden…
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
Well, yeah, I guess I don't expect him to change either.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
u know what
there was that one time i think in the 2nd quarter where they called a 24 second violation on the bulls, but salmons hit a contested 3.. was that an actual violation, because i thought he got rid of it on time. but vinny never argued that point with the refs. at the very least dont they go back and look at the tapes?
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
it didn't go in (that's been confirmed in this thred by someone right by the basket)
but i didn’t think it was a 24-sec. violation either
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
and to be clear
i thought he got it off also. but the shot def bricked off the front of the rim.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
oh.. ok
i thought that he made it.. and i hear on espn 1000, they were watching it right then and said he made it also… but i’ll take first hand witness anyday
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
And I don't give him credit for Pierce.
This is one instance where I agree with Barkley: it’s more Pierce being bad than Salmons being good. Ray Allen was completely shut down for 6 quarters, and I’m not ready to heap praise on Gordon’s defensive abilities.
Pierce will have a couple of good games coming up, and it won’t be that Salmons is playing worse D, just that Pierce is finally playing better.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
they way that they are playing pierce was effective
even the boston announcers noted it too.. salmons forces him out as far from the hoop as he can.. and they would double anytime he wasnt able to..
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
I think he made Pierce work for his shot
It’s not like Pierce had open shots or something. And the same with Allen. In fact, the only shot that I think Allen had contested, or partial contested – the only one I remember now -, was the last one. He had a quite few open shots
*Sorry, made a mistake there
What I wanted to say was that with Allen was the opposite. In fact, the only shot that I think Allen had contested, or partial contested – the only one I remember now -, was the last one. He had a quite few open shots…
I'll admit I'm biased agains his defense because I hate his offense.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
it feels good to admit right??
i feel like that too with other guys
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
feels good?
i dunno, i try to do that when i’m wrong or biased.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Fair enough
I know you weren’t talking to me here, but I had been responding above)./
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Eh, he's played him pretty well
Yeah, Pierce hasn’t been the Pierce of last playoffs…but, watch the position Salmons has kept on the defensive in. He’s been in his jock at all times. He has definitely helped cause some of Pierce’s subpar play and it’s the only reason I haven’t been continually bashing him because his offense has been killing me as well.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Point taken.
But if Pierce goes off and Salmons is still shooting 6 of 17, I’m going nuts.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Me too.
But the fact that both of those games were at home and Pierce didn’t even close to go off one time is very impressive. He’s been doing a great job of not leaving his feet when pierce pulls his patented pump fakes and jab steps. Which he does nearly every time he has an iso. Can you imagine if Noc was our starting SF right now trying to guard him? Christ.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I'm actually more impressed with Hinrich's defense on Pierce
If only him and Brad Miller weren’t such idiots with the ball in their hands sometimes.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
The way Salmons is shooting, I’d take Hinrich as the starting SF and Salmons as the instant offense (not that he’d be any good at it, but you know he’s going to jack shots anyway.)
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Man
What is with you and your hatred of all our non Deng SF’s? I get Noc to a degree as he was playing like crap esp in that 10 game stretch, but Salmons isn’t even playing poorly….he’s playing still better than Luol…..his offense isn’t falling right now, but he’s focusing more on the D. His slashing and angles could be used a bit more right now, but I’d say he’s been far more effective than any box score would show and most certainly don’t understand the ire.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Attempting 17 shots isn't focusing on defense
That’s a horrible shot chart for any player, especially one who is constantly touted as a “slasher” who in reality penetrates as much as Ben Gordon.
Salmons’ injury is seriously impairing his ability to score, so what does he do? He takes seventeen shots, most of them right over Paul Pierce in hopes that they’ll go in. If he was focusing on defense, he’d be passing up bad shots in hopes the Bulls can find offense elsewhere.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Showing a shot chart shows that they were really bad shots. Some rimmed out, a few were open, others where slashing plays that involved a foul that wasn’t called at the Garden.
From the chart you show above I see 7 shots in the paint, likely from drives where he’s typically been effective and 4 shots in the 3 line area, where he’s also generally been effective and getting some open looks….
They’ll fall.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
All his threes that game:
do ineffective fake. Stand there with the ball. Miss 3. Cheer?
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
He's been making those shots
Sometimes they don’t fall…..
Overall Salmons is much more effective than his box score stats indicate…..and I expect he’ll have a breakout game soon….if he doesn’t, as long as Pierce remains in check, I’m more than happy with John’s play.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Meh, it's way too easy for Pierce to post up Hinrich
than it is for him to post up Salmons. I think your hatred of Fish’s offense is seriously skewing your views on his D right now.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
has he posted up Hinrich at all?
I usually agree with slamming Hinrich at the 3, but on Pierce (at least this version) it’s not hurting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a few times
I know he has for a fact. Kirk has poked the ball away from him a few times, though, so…uhh, props to him on that I guess. I’ve liked his D this series but I still think Salmons is our best shot when it comes to defending Pierce.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
posted?
Yes if you call Pierce getting it at the free throw line and bullying Kirk into the paint to get closer for an easier shot.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Pierce was +1
net over Salmons last night. From what I’m watching the matchup at the 3 is a wash. Pierce is better than he’s performing, but so is Salmons.
Our net differentials of concern is at the 4 and KG isn’t even playing.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons
Has been on him hard. Sure Pierce will have a good game or two, but ask the Lakers last year, he just can and will….but to say that Pierce is just playing poorly and yet attacking Salmons for not having a good offensive game, is silly. Salmons has been spot on d so far this series…..
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
he was good on the break
(but maybe that’s because he has no option to pass anyway)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
he actually had a three on one fast break at one point, refused to pass, and instead of getting
a dunk for a teammate, got fouled and had to go to the line to make the foul shots. He made them, but still… pass the frickin’ ball, Fish.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
in all fairness BG had 2 of those
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
In fairness
a player tried passing on the fast break to Tyrus and he flubbed the ball. Maybe it is safer to take it in yourself sometimes.
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yea im not arguing...
i really didnt have a problem with salmons taking it in and drawing a foul
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
In fairness, no one on our team really passes on the break
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Apr 21, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
Blown 2 on 1 and 3 on 1 breakaways last night
Gordon 2
Salmons 1
Tyrus 1
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
He’s totally limiting Pierce’s role and his D has been superb….so I disagree with you Tyger. Salmons is more taking a back seat to BG and Rose so far on O. But his Defense has been a key component to our first win and our almost win yesterday.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
I think the story will come out once Boston gets eliminated
Pierce has some knee injuries of his own, and for the sake of the team they’ve kept it hidden until the playoffs can end.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Salmons ain't healthy either
I don’t think Pierce is too badly hurt because they are still trying to go to him whenever they need a bucket. John’s been a good man to man defender for a while now….and right now he’s not being asked to rotate much, but when he has, he’s done fine there too….
I think John’s just playing very well. I know Hinrich’s disrupted Pierce a bit, but I seem to recall Hinrich doing that often throughout his career to infinitely more gifted and taller players….which is why Kirk even in the Skiles days had some SF time….
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Taking 17 shots is not taking a back seat to anyone. He just looks like he's taking a back seat because he's missing.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad choice of words
He’s getting some shots up sure, but he’s not being as aggressive on O as normal….and some of those shots should come with foul’s that aren’t being called…..those shots then go away….and aren’t misses.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
he dribbles waaaaaaay to much
and what’s with him shooting contested threes the last two games, only Gordon should be doing that
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's his game
Most of his shots show up as contested. I find it hard to predict when he’s going to shoot and when he’s going to slash.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
His game is to take bad, contested shots?
I think that’s the complaint. It is his game, and it’s a bad, bad fucking game to play.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 21, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
when he’s on his game is good, but with his sore groin(or whatever he has) it doesn’t look like he’s going to start draining threes anytime soon
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
my brief feelings...
I think that despite the fact the bulls were down by 10-12 at one point early in the first half, and they still made a super competitive game out of it…that’s huge. also, at home, maybe we can get an official or two who knows what a moving pick is, and that it’s also a rule that says moving picks are illegal…that may help. if the bigs do a better job on the defensive glass and do a better job finishing strong, i say the bulls are golden. despite being drunk and upset with the outcome of the game last night, my mood was actually quite happy because they made such a good game of it, and it made the c’s players and fans look like morons who don’t realize that they’re THAT pumped about beating a 7th ranked .500 team. class acts as always…i say the bulls go 2-0 in the UC.
The Future is Unwritten
Our home record of late is a good sign
We’re battling the defending champs, stealing 1 win, on their home court where they were 36-6. The Celtics were actually a better on their home court without KG than they were with KG. 4 losses with him, just 2 without him.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
blast! Shortcut stats challenged
upon review they’re wrong too. lol
11-2 at home W/out KG. .846
25-4 at home W/KG. .862
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i think we played an amazing game despite all the bullshit
although i would like to see rose attack more, especially with rondo “hurt”… the refs were obviously a problem but i think vinny was the bigger one last night. i mean everyone could see how tired miller was late because he played almost the entire game..hell we’ve been seeing that all season once he got here. plus miller gave us everything he had, his jumpers were falling and he got around 9 rebounds. but he gave us that early and barely did anything in the 4th. we lost so many rebounds because Noah had to close out of guys at the perimeter, and that left miller who could barely move or jump to crash the boards. that’s were Tyrus would have made a huge difference. plus the guy scored and had like 6 blocks when he was in. like it was said i also think its not good for him to pretty much save us in game one and then be benched in game 2 for miller. im not even going to talk about the timeouts…i know i’ll read and hear plently about it…
I remember Michael dribbling at the top of the key. Everybody knew to just get the hell out of his way. - Steve Kerr
i usually don't torture myself like this
but this morning, i just had to read what bullsbythehorns had to say. predictably, he cites brad miller’s super awesome plus/minus and tyrus’ super awful plus/minus as reasons why miller should’ve been in late. jesus abbott, you couldn’t find a better person to run a bulls blog?
Be fair, Abbott probably didn't pick the blog
He was probably so depressed knowing he couldn’t BaB he figured there’s no reason for him to put any personal investment into whatever Bulls blog showed up
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
i'm getting more pissed thinking about it
miller racked up most of that +/- in the first half when he was in and boston was playing mikki moore and marbury, who are freaking awful. do people who just blindly cite +/- even watch the games?
Technically? Probably.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
They probably do
But Miller’s net was during the “attack the Celtics” stage of the game that got us back into it. The Celtics were slow and fouling. They sub and they just fouled as well.
Miller is crafty with his entanglements with opposing bigs. He slithers around using his arms to hook people and make it look like they are hooking him. But the whistles went silent when we stopped attacking the rim.
We ceded the aggression to the Celtics in the 2nd half and lost because of it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Great game to watch, yfBB summarized it well
It’s too bad the Bulls lost “the Ben Gordon game”. I hope he has another before this series is over. I’m not the biggest BG supporter, but I want him back in spite of his short comings.
Part of this loss is on the players, and part is on the coaches.
You can fault the players for:
- Inability to get defensive rebounds
- Untimely turnovers (cough Brad Miller cough)
You can fault coaching for:
- Leaving a stumbling, bumbling Brad Miller in the game too long
- Running out of time outs
The Brad Miller thing really baffles me. He was effective in his minutes. Yay – that’s a big plus. But just because he’s effective doesn’t mean you play him that much late in the game. He should have a set number of minutes he plays (that number should be less than it currently is) and Tyrus and Noah should be on the floor to close out games. It’s not like he rebounded any better than the kids either. If he’s having “the PJ Brown Game” from Game 6 vs. the Pistons in 2007, then leave him in. Otherwise don’t.
And he should never, never, never dribble the basketball again if there is someone shorter than 6’ 10" near him. He is just not quick enough to get through any traffic. I think that’s a Celtic’s play Doc Rivers has drawn up. When they run the pivot off of Miller in the key, there is no Bull behind him. So when he fubmles and falls down it’s a free ride to the basket for the Celtics. There were at least 2 key breakaways the Celtics got in the 2nd half because of this.
I have to credit the Celtics for this too, though. Ray Allen was every bit as hot as Gordon, and both he and Rondo hit jumpers over Noah to win this game.
Sitill, I’m feeling remarkably good about this series. If you had told me Saturday morning that the Bulls would leave Boston tied at 1-1 with a point differential of -1, I’d have asked to share your substance of choice. This could easily be a 2-0 lead for either team. Let’s see what happens now in Chicago.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
My issue is not actually using brad miller in the end
but using him for long stretches. Gotta give Tyrus some minutes. It gives confidence to the kid and gives the old guy miller some rest. Vinny did a great job distributing minutes in game 1, he messed up with Game 2. you just cant leave an old slow guy for that long and expect him to run after rebounds faster.
Oh and VDN again not having a time-out in the end
Its not like he gets easy 2pts off timeouts
That's irrelavant - saving the TO gives your team the ball at half court and let's sub in shooters.
It gives the team the best chance to even the game, and he and the staff have blown that 2 straight games.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
Yeah, my post was a bit misleading
What I’m trying to say is he uses too many timeouts till he doesn’t have one in the end. He should save some TO since he doesn’t know how to use it efectively early anyways. Atleast give his players to have a shot in the end
Ah - point taken. Baby steps...
and sadly, saving TOs for end-of-game ball advancement falls into that category.
Maybe he’d get better at drawing up plays on time outs if they actually had them to spend to draw up the feakin’ play!
Oddly enough, I kept an eye on this. When they came back from commercial with under 2 min left, each team had 2 TOs: the Celts had 1 full and 1 20-sec and the Bulls had 2 20-sec. Somehow, the Bulls still ran out.
I really think what killed it was that the Bulls tied the game up with 10 or 12 seconds left after their final TO instead of holding the ball longer. That’s a difficult spot to be in. You want to tie the game because you’re trailing, but you’d rather not leave so much time on the clock.
It simply gave Boston too much time. Oh yeah, and their real coach had a TO left…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
right, ben gordon wasn't even on the court for "defensive" purposes.
Having a timeout left, lets Gordon come in w/ the ball at half court. The Bulls at least have a chance.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I'd take a 40% chance of it going in
rather than a near zero heave from beyond half court because there wasn’t a time out. In a game like this a +40% 3-point shooter taking the last shot is a perfectly respectable attempt. We never seem to do the logical thing at the end of games.
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I haven't read the posts below yet
But I have to completely disagree with all the VDN hate right now. Vinny’s been absolutely fantastic. Look I know we have talented guys, we have had talented guys all year, all last year, all in the past few years (and we’re more talented or at least full everywhere now than ever), but i think Vinny’s been a real eye turner so far this series.
He has left the offense open. What you guys call one man game, I call play breakdowns….they happen. When they haven’t happened (off of time outs, or just set plays that weren’t stopped, the ball movement’s been solid, and we’ve been playing well offensively to the tune of 50% the last two games.
Sure Rose and BG were unbelievable in consecutive games, but that lies our strength….Salmons might step up more the next game….we’re a good team of talent.
Why have I been high on VDN? Well we finally have been showing some real defensive strategy. Let’s clamp down on Pierce and Allen and try to force Rondo and GLEN DAVIS to beat us with jump shots. Home cooking helped Davis quite a bit, and Rondo, well he’s just a really good player, though I’d still rather have him try to beat us on O than see Ray and Pierce tear it up?
So Ray Allen had 30 pts last night…..he was moving in and out of screens all night long. BG has played some phenomenal defense so far in these 2 games. Skiles would have been happy…..BG completely outdueled Ray Allen to boot.
Salmons’s offense hasn’t been there, but wow is he a good defender when geared in.
Hinrich’s foul trouble hurt us significantly last game, and while Kirk was only like 1-4 in game 1 with 3 pts, his D was fantastic.
Our team’s outplaying the C’s…..and even without KG, this is a deep team that would have likely finished 3rd in the East (Rondo—much better than anyone thought going into last year and much better than he was early this year, is a all star caliber player; Ray Allen is the sharpest shooter this side of BG, but one with the superstar call factor to contend with; and Pierce is a fantastic player, plus add in Perkin’s a solid role player, and well Davis, a bruising role player, who does better against our weaker bigs.
Vinny’s focused on letting the role players beat us….and even though they won 1 of ‘em, that shouldn’t continue. Boston’s out there saying they haven’t played their A game yet and doing all the I’m a champion flexing….well from my chair, we haven’t seen the full Tyrus game yet (his D was solid, esp at blocks—but he had the Tyson Chandler block syndrome going of blocking the ball either out of bounds or to a Celtic), and we haven’t seen what we could see yet from Salmons and hell Hinrich.
I think we’re in a great situation. I understand the complaints about Time OUt mgmt. those are somewhat valid. I am not the biggest fan of the leaving 12.3 seconds on the clock after hitting what could have been a game tieing shot…..but I think that’s his strategy, let’s put the emphasis on them to beat us, or go to OT and have our fresher legs beat them.
I’m not so happy with the too much Brad Miller time. Miller has a place, but not for what 15 minutes straight…..but so be it, Brad was having a big game….that’s a minor quip.
I think we’re in as good a situation as to be expected (Actually a bit better) and hope to still have this momentum. All this talk of well we might be happy to just have split 1 game, is b.s., if we were happy we wouldn’t have played as hard as we did last game…..
The only fear I have is that Ray’s shot becomes a Tim Duncan esque confidence shot for the Celtics and Confidence deflator for us…..(last year’s Suns-SA series). I don’t think it will be because everyone knows that Ray Allen can hit and has hit those shots.
I don’t see any fear in Tyrus, Noah, Rose, BG, or Salmons or Hinrich at all…..
I think we’ll be fine, and I for one so far have been happy with Vinny in these first 2 games…..
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
by majoyenrac on Apr 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I found it sarcastic.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
No sarcasm
I have liked Vinny so far and am surprised at all the ire. I think it’s the damned if you do, damned if you don’t thing right now. I think the basic strategy is working….some plays aren’t, some calls are bad, and the too much Miller’s the gaping mistake, but overall the basic strategy through 2 games is far better than I would have anticipated.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Oh well
still gotta give vdn some props. I never expected the 1st 2games to be this close and even steal one on the road. As hard as it is too believe, gotta give the coach some credit. His boys are playing hard, and is playing with good chemistry(except for kirk and ben dunno I just feel like they dont like each other too much)
Kirk has been a non-factor in the series
If we get anything better at the UC than what he’s done at TD then we’ll be in better shape.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk's
D in game 1 was solid/fantastic….he’s been doing a lot of little things that don’t show up in the box score, but I think he’s been a real factor when he’s played….last game the foul’s hurt a bit though.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
kirk
i want to see kirk shoot the rock a little more
by joetheplumber on Apr 21, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
So do I....
But Kirk’s played better than the box score would indicate.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
kirk and ben seemed fine
when kirk picked up his 4th foul it was ben who came to calm him down, there are 3 other guys on the court and ben wasnt really the closest one to kirk either….i dont think they are friends but i dont think they dislike each other).
I think one of the things about htis bulls team is that they do realize where they are. THey are in the playoffs, and all of them want to win so bad that they arent considering anything personal anymore, the team is really clicking together and if you watch other games you’ll notice it, the bulls are a team (possibly because they have to more than any other team) that is truly trying and pushing thier limits, and its not an individual effort, thats a team effort.
As for hinrich not contributing, he is doing what he has to, defense for hte most part (he has guarded pierce extremely well both games) yesterdays game he didnt hog the ball or overdribble which is often his biggest flaws, he also didnt miss when he took his shots which is another positive. In his limited minutes he provided what the team needed him to provide and that helps…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
BG definitely has his wits about him
He was also the one calming and walking Noah after the T was called
"Uncle Ben"??
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
i've never seen Gordon more intense than when he was trying to settle down Noah
I absolutely loved it
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 21, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16tqYgYipP8
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I loved when they did a closeup of that during the game yesterday…..that was awesome….
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
If someone posts a .gif
or even a picture of that, it would be much appreciated.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
By far my favorite moment of the night
and one of my favorite of BG’s career. That was straight badassness. Pay the man!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
yeah, but badassness is not very reinsdorfian.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't you just not help but wonder what's going through Pax's head right now
after watching Gordon this year?
Every night he goes to sleep: “Oh man, I messed up. I really, really, really messed this one up. Please, Lord, let me have just one more chance…”
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Pax didn't really mess up.
‘Dorf handled the Deng signing. Pax had scraps left over to offer BG. We don’t know who Pax wanted or still wants. The worst you can say is that he doesn’t wear the pants in the family.
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Good point.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I am certain
Pax was more involved than you’d think. John was involved, might not have been in all the negotiations, but he steered the amts and approved the amts…and geared who we go after first….between Deng and BG.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Nope.
Deng gave the ultimatum that if they didn’t show him something he liked and had something signed before he went to England (which was early summer I think) that would be it. And that was when Jerry swooped in and “handled” the negotiations. That was pretty well documented. Then we spent the rest of the summer watching Pax dangle a shrinking pot at Gordon to no success.
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You guys
Are ridiculous to think Paxson had nothing to do wtih Deng. I’m sure he was involved in any sign off on those contracts and new the amounts. He might not have been int he room for the final negotiations, but I am sure he was at least informed for an approval of the dollars, if not he probably would have quit before the year started….
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Will Perdue
and KC were on CTL last night. Kap asked them if BG signs with the Bulls this off season and both said no. Kap asked why BG didn’t get signed and who was his agent. Will told him who the agent is and that BG wanted Kobe type money (that’s new) and wanted to be the highest paid player on the team which we already knew. These are his words not mine.
We'll still see what happens
Of course they’re gonna say they want X….
I do think BG and Derrick are getting along quite well, and you never know the power of keeping your star (Derrick) happy. I mean hell Rose even said when asked if he thought about the Memphis missed FT’s in game 1 at all, he said I just thought about BG during those FT’s. BG would have hit them….
That’s a ringing endorsement from the franchise player…..
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Gar took over the Deng negotiations
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Gar
Handled the negotiations, but I am confident Pax had a sign off on the amount before it was finalized….or had at least discussed the min and max amts….
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
The Bulls owed a victory to Ben, but Vinny the incompetent tool stole it from him.
Maybe I should rename him the Grinch who stole the Bulls early Christmas.
Further, I give our empty headed pretend coach no kudos for doing a couple of things right which any high school coach could have schemed, because his mistakes have cost us numerous games all season and not having a timeout in reserve twice in a row in playoff games should be grounds for immediate dismissal.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I really hope Pax has called him
and mandated that, no matter what, he has at least 1 TO left at the end of every game from now on…or he’s instantly fired. Like, mid-game fired.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
His playoff mistakes are not new mistakes
He has been doing the same stupid things all season (especially end of game situations) and has not improved. It should be perfectly reasonable to judge him based on his improvement on known problems like that.
I’ve not seen any improvements. His end of game choices still suck and suck in a basic, fundamental basketball kind of way. He has even been increasingly going to the vets down the stretch. We “thought” he had fixed that problem, but what really happened was injuries taking away his vets for chunks of time. Now that he has the opportunity he is playing them injured and gassed just for the hell of it. So the reasonable thing would be to be pissed at Vinny. He hasn’t fixed the problems he has had all season. I wish people would stop acting like there isn’t a way of measuring his performance when there obviously is.
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I think
Vinny’s got the X’s down pat, he’s struggling with the O’s though….
But he has improved, and the basic strategy employed against this Celtics team has been a good one…..
Now we need to see a full X’s and O’s game.
I like the main strategy (done pregame, but it’s working to a T), but of course think the game mgmt is still flawed.
4-9-09: Ok, so Vinny's not great, but maybe he has a future as an assistant coach.
Basic strategy...
Game 1: Rose…iso, score lots, other guys run around and stuff
Game 2: Gordon…iso, score lots, other guys run around and stuff
I guess I am not really seeing where he did anything more than that. Even after time outs that was all that was happening. What is his main strategy? Pray that one of his iso guys gets hot? That is his strategy? I don’t even think the Celtics can say what he’s been doing. They already made comments about being confused with Vinny’s “offensive” and “defensive” schemes. And not because they were brilliant.
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Pass to Gordon.
Gordon scores!
VDN IS GENIUS
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Look at our
Defensive strategy on Pierce and well Allen. Took a constant 4 screens (3 of which were moving in seemingly each play) for Allen to get open looks. We’re trying to let Glen Davis beat us.
We’re also playing a contender team, and even without KG, this team is stacked enough to make a run at least at the ECF……
There’s been more than just iso’s. We’ve been running countless pick and rolls, and keeping the paint open and having guys on the perimeter, changing who are the main players, and getting a lot of open looks for it against a pretty solid defensive team.
Going into this series did you honestly think we’d be in a position to win both games at Boston?
Other teams with star players have a star player put in a great game, and when they win, guys tout the coach….we’re underdogs, playing well and Vinny’s getting nothing but bile for it.
Sure the Time Out thing’s an issue, especially 2 games in a row…..but that masks the fact that the basic strategy and defensive strategy against a pretty good offensive squad with 3 guys who can easily put up 20-30 a night and 2 big big men to grab the boards has been solid.
Look at it from both ways.
Vinny’s not perfect on the whole strategy yet, and some calls are questionable, but overall he’s kept this team together through all the muck, and well we’re really still looking like the better team on the road through 2 games in this series.
This Celtics team wtihout Garnett isn’t nearly as bad as the Heat team with an injured Wade and a 500lb Shaq that barely made it into the playoffs the next year…..without Garnett the Celtics still would be a 55+ win team…..it’s just with KG healthy all year they’d be in the 63-66 win mark….
They are a good team and so far we’re looking like the better team. Add in that we’ve got 2 guys playing well in their first ever playoffs…..and one guy with a more pivotal role in the playoffs, and there you go…..I’ve been impressed.
Now if we get blown out next game, I’ll change my tune, but presuming we keep up this mojo and go home for some home cooking and hopefully seeing less of the 8 seconds of Perkins in the paint on Defense and Offense, or the 3 moving screens against Gordon’s defense on Allen that aren’t called…..I’ll be pissed…..
But through 2 games, I’ve been very happy with VDN even with the blunders……
Sure the blunders suck, but give the man credit, he’s doing far more right through 2 games than he’s doing wrong through 2 games. The Garden’s not an easy place to win to begin with, let alone in a playoff game…..
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
Add in too
That all year we played no defense and had no defensive strategy whatsoever besides the switch every play or zone for 20 minute stretches at a time making the zone eventually ineffective….and suddenly it seems we’re trying things differently and through 2 games it’s working…..through the first game, sure I would have thought perhaps some luck, but when we repeated that effort and essentially had Glen Davis’s big game beat us, I think that’s pretty good.
Ok so Vinny seems to have the X's down.....now he needs to learn the O's.
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