PLAYOFFS Game One Open Thread Overflow4: Bulls at Boston Celtics
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So BG and Salmons are going to have to pickup the scoring load.
we should see more traps on Rose.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
derrick rose joins chris paul
as the only guys to have 30+ points and 10+ assists in their first playoff game. legit.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
How many did Paul score?
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 18, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
HA
Paul got 35 and 10
Rose got 36 and 11
lol
Don't think that was even his rookie debut either.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Camel last year, his 3rd
And Jason Kidd was guarding him, not Rajon Rondo.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So you can't really compare them AT ALL.
3rd year player… Phhh!
Old Jason Kidd! Phhhh!
I think these Bulls have me drunk...
I’m watching the Cleveland Detroit game thinking about the possibility of meeting them in a later round… Drunk :)
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
Theories on Allen's Bad Play
Why did ray allen play so poorly?
good d?
bad day?
cant play in the playoffs?
They're after our precious bodily fluids
old, thinking about medicare, missing Florida,
fantasizing about prune juice.
Mmmmmm…prune juice….
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
nah, he made some big shots in that last game of the regular season.
(the one Bulls fans wanted the Celts to win so we could play Toronoto….before anyone knew that KG would be out)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's aging.
he might be losing is lift. Once your legs god and you’re a jump shooter say good night. He missed that dunk also. I think his legs are going on him.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
He had an over 60% TS% this year. The legs aren't gone. He just had an off night.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
not
today.
;-)
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Garnet factor?
Can’t get wide open looks. Too old to create his own.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Uh,
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Allen come back. In fact, it would be a big surprise if he continues to do poorly.
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Right.
It’s more likely “bad luck” than his legs going bad all of a super duper sudden.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
could be a mental issue as well
…he also struggled in last year’s playoffs
by bullsfaninbigapple on Apr 18, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He had open looks, they didn't go down
Him and Gordon played similar games, BG was able to turn it on when needed..
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember the NCAA tournament?
After deferring to his teammates all year, D-Rose was ridiculous. Now for the playoffs….
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
you know one thing bothered me.
he lost his aggressiveness in the OT. I know the celtics doubled him but damn get it to your guards.
Brad Miller is down right slow and slow.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
he was in foul trouble
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by Ugh It Live! on Apr 18, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
actually,
I think he might have been pretty gassed: he played 50 minutes tonight. And even though he didn’t push the issue, I thought he made solid reads in terms of getting the ball to the roller. Here’s the thing: Brad Miller must take and make those shots. His gambols to the basket ain’t going to make it against the Celts. I don’t care how many he’s missed: he need to take them.
He was pretty awful today.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Hopefully Vinny realizes that he fucked up majorly playing Miller so many minutes instead of Tyrus
and he never plays TiT again. If both of these things happen, we could actually win the series IMO.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I dunno, man.
Miller was +9, though. Tied for team-high with Kirk! Rose was plus 8… All the others were negative
The numbers don't kid...
I agree it LOOKED bad, though.
Miller was terrible. The only reason his +/- was so high was because he played a lot of minutes.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
+/- is a worthless stat
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
And the amount of dumb passes, bricked jumpshots, and missed layups
Take that +8 down to a -100. The only thing he did well tonight was rebound and used his body against the Boston front-line.
Kirk didn’t do much, but he had some nice defensive plays in crunch time. The Bulls offense looked like complete garbage with him running the show, but I guess that’s expected compared to Rose.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad was terrible, but
at least he’s not Drew Gooden.
by Scotter on Apr 18, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sheesh, we don't even need to remember he was the starting center in October
There is no way in hell the Bulls pre-trade would have ever put up this kind of effort.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm too happy to give a f about this.
so whatever :)
kirk did play some pretty solid D tonight
there were a couple times there where either him or noah were about to get burnt baseline and they helped eachother out on that side to completely deny the baseline
by Daniel Satan on Apr 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I even liked
When he was on pierce a lot of times he didn’t let him get to his area. He loves the mid range jumper and usually around the painted area.
It was fun to see the recognition of a lot of players in this game
The case has been made that the Bulls were better this year with Hinrich at PG,
but Rose needed to play for development. No longer the case, if Rose plays like today (and last Monday against Detroit).
Kirk didn’t do much, but he had some nice defensive plays in crunch time. The Bulls offense looked like complete garbage with him running the show, but I guess that’s expected compared to Rose.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
With only one cut to the rim
off a high screen.
He had so many lanes to roll to the rim after setting the screen. He just wouldn’t roll. When he does this he’ll get easy lob passes from Rose for dunks. He was dreaming about jump shots all game yesterday.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2009 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s what you came here to comment on?
Any predictions for the next game?
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 19, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
but then again Brad had 27 min
and 12 reb , 4pts
I think we do actually have to give Miller some credit for grabbing some big boards
I feel the same way though, TT needs to play in crunch time, but his issue is he needs to rebound a little better
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree miller was dread full to start the game missing jump shots
and letting Rondo blow past him. Plus he was turing the Ball over and making really bad choices.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
I didn't say he was great
Just that there is a reason why he was in the game, and that reason is rebounding. And he did a very good job in that department. And I actually understand Del Negro’s thinking there. As great as Tyrus was he just isn’t rebounding that well and it was important to get the ball back.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Miller
is the only one who won’t get pushed around by kendra perkins, sad but true. Then again he can’t protect the rim on the pick and roll with rondo cause he is so damn slow but i think we are underestimating the importance of controlling the boards against the celtics.
Although what the hell happened to miller’s jump shot. i thought he was supposed to be the big who could actually play offense and shoot from the outside but he has been horrible for some while shoot the 15-18 footers.
by Sambossanova on Apr 18, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I just read that, very well said
People do underestimate rebounding for some reason
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but what good is a rebound
if Miller is going to get killed in the paint and can’t rotate on defense. Every tem is doing ths to the Bulls in the final 5min of the 4th qtr. He can have his 12 boards, just sit him down in the final minutes of the 4th.
by Dils on Apr 18, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Brad. Don't get me wrong.
VDN just has to stop it with the “Veterans are better because they are veterans” crap. After watching TT today, I’m having a hard time seeing what Miller brings you that TT can’t. Including hitting the outside shot. The offense actually runs better with Noah and TT on court as well
I agree
My preferred big line-up is TT + Noah as well
Millers +9 is really befuddling today…
It's not that befuddling when you realize there's too much noise in a single game +/- to give it any signifigance
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what about turnovers?
he threw the ball away numerous times and got lucky with one big call that was out on him.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Miller did a good job slowing down Perkins.
I know that doesn’t really make sense, but Perkins was seeming to get everything to start out. He slowed down before Miller came in, but I think Miller pretty much made him worthless.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
Agreed.
Also, Tyrus looked a little skittish at the beginning of the game; I bet he was pressing, being that it is the playoffs and all. So I was happy to see Miller come into the game, even if I would have liked for Tyrus to get more minutes later on than he did.
Big adjustment for next game-
find a way that Rondo will never, never be “contained” by Brad. I love Brad…but he’s not so good at moving those feet…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
That Celtics Blog has a great sense of humor
I challenge you to find an instance where Noah set a legal screen in this game.
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
I challenge you to name another time
a three second violation was called with 1:30 left in the overtime of a playoff game.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I like this take on the game:
As surprising as Chicago’s win was, consider this: the Bulls actually played quite poorly down the stretch, committing ill-advised fouls that gave the Celtics every opportunity to win the game in regulation. And despite Rose’s sterling play (he shot an extremely efficient 12-19 from the field, 12-12 from the line and chipped in 11 assists), he also committed five turnovers and fouled out of the game at a critical juncture with 10 seconds left.
If the Bulls played a little cleaner, this game would have been over in 48. And before you accuse me of picking nits, realize that’s actually a really good sign for the Bulls going forward.
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"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oh come on, Derrick Rose can't play any better. Sorry.
5 TOs and 6 fouls fine. HE played 50 minutes! He got to the line 13 times! If you handle the ball as much as he did your going to have TOs. He was guarding Paul Pierce pretty damn well in OT.
The bulls aren’t good enough to blow anyone out on the road. That’s about as well as they can play on the road in a hostile environment. Asking for anything more, Derrick included, is ludicious.
I think his point was this team won a road playoff game against the defending champs
without playing their best ball. They played damned well, but they had plenty of dumb decisions, too. This could be the shape of things to come for the Bulls, and if that’s the case, I will be so, so happy.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Rose played poorly to start and had a couple of early bad turnovers.
From his second stint in the 1st quarter, to the end of the game, is when Rose settled down and played possibly the greatest first playoff game for a rookie.
oh come on, Derrick Rose can’t play any better. Sorry.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I absolutely know that this is totally unlikely
but if we can get past the C’s, we’d have a pretty good shot against the Magic. Can you think of something more improbable than this team in the Eastern Conference Finals? That would just be crazy, but actually possible nonetheless.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
lets just focus on Monday.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, come on I prefaced it by saying how unlikely it was...
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
it just excites me way too much I feel
like I’d be getting over my head to even think about it. Besides the Bulls were one made free throw away from a loss.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
I liked Swirsky's call on it
Bad basketball karma. Noah got called for the “foul” blocked shot, and Pierce missed the game winner!
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i was daydremaing about it too, its ok
but at the same time i had to remind myself its a best of 7 :P
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls can beat Boston,
I think they can beat Orlando.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Mike D'antoni has to be weeping like a baby in his beautiful Manhattan apartment right now
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
nah, no doubt Mike D is livin it up on some beach off the southern coast of italy right now
i mean shit, he got PAID
by Daniel Satan on Apr 18, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno. I'm still concerned about the Bulls in ability to play defense.
And with D’Antoni, they’d have a better offense.
This Bulls team could be a 4th seed right now and actually the favorites if D’Antoni were in Chicago.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
I think D'Antoni is probably weeping for passing up coaching this bunch.
Especially that Rose guy. What a player.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But the Knicks have Chris Duhon! ;)
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a better coach, I'm just saying he's gotta be pissed he isn't
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Is KG that much of a problem for Boston?
A lot of their bloggers don’t want him on the bench?
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Yeah...
They want him in the game.
Too bad though :)
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 18, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he went to the locker room after halftime and didn't come back out.
I thought that was weird.
Worked out well for us, though so I have no complaints… ;)
Psh, LeBron only managed 2 more points than Rose against the garbage Pistons
What a bum.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
Crazy, ain't it?
38 – 8 – 7 for a 24 year old, and nobody bats an eye
I'm shocked he needed 40 minutes
I’m rooting hardcore for Cleveland, nothing will be more fun than watching the Pistons get swept.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhmmm, don't we want that series to at least go 7?
I know I do.
And looking ahead I think we have a better change against detroit in the ECF… (LOL :D)
My thoughts
I live in Argentina, so I haven’t been able to see too many Bulls games this year, but watched all of this one.
Some bullet points:
—> Miller was ass. He played stupid as he always has since his Purdue days. But here, he couldn’t make a damn shot. Defense was so-so, but he just seemed old and tired to me.
—> Rose – What a debut! Nothing more needs to be said, really.
—> Why on earth were they switching Rose onto Pierce when he had five fouls? They can’t switch on that screen! Bulls got very lucky that this didn’t kill them.
—> Tyrus saved the day with shots he shouldn’t have been taking.
—> Hinrich was open in the corner LIKE CRAZY during his first half minutes, but they only found him once (quite late), and he canned the shot. If that happens again, they better friggin’ look for him. It’s not like they’re running a real offense.
—> Is Salmons broken or tired or just lousy? Again, I haven’t seen too many games this year.
—> Hinrich didn’t do much on offense, but his D on Pierce was excellent (particularly the strip – a huge play). The foul in regulation, uhhh, oops. And I love the help D he gave on the last play. Full commitment.
—> The Boston crowd suuuuucked. The Bulls kept them out of the game the whole time.
That’s all I got for now. If someone can fill me in on the stuff I missed from this season (mainly why Salmons and Miller were so bad offensively), that would be very kind of ya.
I agree with the switching Rose on Pierce. Definitely a bad idea.
Salmons is bothered by a groin injury, so he’s playing through pain now.
Miller has been struggling with his midrange jumpshots that he used to be good at… I’m not sure what’s wrong with him, maybe he’s getting old/tired.
he's been pretty gassed the last 2 weeks of the season.
I think he’s hitting a wall after the trade excitement.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
that is a bad idea
assuming that they really want that play for Pierce but the real problem right there when they switch is Rondo. it’s just a simple isolation for Pierce if he comes up guarded by Rose but at the same time it’s a double whammy against the Bulls because i think the C’s know that Rose usually goes under the screen and so if they, Salmons and Rose try to get back to their man, it could be a quick drive to the basket by Rondo.
Well, i think that’s better than the Pierce/Rose matchup but only if the they can close lanes faster than Rondo’s attack to the paint.
Salmons really worried me on both sides of the floor
If there’s no chance of his groin improving (or VDN going to Tyrus at the 3), I’d actually be all for the 3 guard lineup because Kurt was doing a serviceable job guarding Pierce.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
actually...
i was really psyched to watch TT taking those shots from the floor. Everyone knows his potential, and if he starts blowing up on Boston its gonna make the series that much more fun to watch…and get me really amped for next season.
Besides, regardless of how the Bulls do in the series I REALLY doubt we’ll make it to the finals, so VDN should take this as an opportunity to see how our talent plays when it matters.
We got lucky in this one
Ray Allen shot 1-12, Paul Pierce missed a free throw that would’ve given them the lead with 2.7 seconds left, and Tyrus Thomas – a 33% jumpshooter – made three in a row to start the OT… and we still only won by 2.
I wouldn’t start thinking about the Magic already, we’re still a worse team than the Celtics, though it’s close – Glen Davis playing 40 minutes compared to Powe’s 17 helped. Thibodeau won’t let Rose put up 36 again.
They're not going to beat Boston
If they do, it will be a huge upset, even without Garnett.
If we’re getting all nitpicky, the Bulls made tons of mistakes, and were basically trying to give the game away in the 4th quarter by committing some seriously dumb fouls.
Salmons is slowly becoming annoying as hell with his selfish play. He really is in a slump, and unlike Gordon isn’t healthy enough to shoot himself out of it. He wasted several possessions trying to go 1-on-1 with Paul Pierce, an excellent defender. Either Rose or Gordon should be taking those shots, I don’t care if they don’t go in. Again, this is where not having Luol Deng sucks so badly.
I don’t see how Thibodeau is going to prevent Rose from scoring a lot, some of the baskets he hit were just ridiculous. Sky hooks, fadeaways, there is no defense that can stop a player from hitting those shots. The best strategy for them is to just get him in foul trouble.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Boston’s top 2 did not show up well, but I think the defense on them was really solid. Bulls played very good D most of the game. Salmons stayed with Pierce, and there were generally very few open looks. I don’t think Gordon will have another game that bad (or will he? again, I’ve been gone). But then again, Thomas and Noah played strong. Bulls will probably need one more road win to get the series, but it’s definitely going at least six. Hinrich, Gordon, and Salmons could all do more than they did today. Relying on games like this from Rose obviously won’t cut it.
What games have you been watching?
The Bulls have never lost to a Celtics team playing without Kevin Garnett, and now they’re supposed to lose 4 of the next 6?
You're more of a downer than yfBB.
They’re not going to beat Boston
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 18, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm being realistic, nothing is more fun as a fan
Than looking like a dumbass because your team continues to win.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Orrigionally I predicted
Boston in 5…. after this win I think Boston in 7 is much more likely…. If we can pull off 2 wins at home and be up 3-1 we could actually squeak this series out…. More likely we’ll lose the next one and split at home followed by home court wins by each team for the rest of the series…
hope the second scenario plays out of course…. should be fun!
We got lucky indeed but that makes the team stronger
The Bulls almost lost the game in the end with some silly plays and and bad offensive tatics. Still, we can’t forget how great Rose, TT and Noah were. Absolutely amazing!!! If the keep that energy level, the Bulls can grow too as both BG and Salmos have ground to rise their games.
By the way I think Gordon played well, and Ray Allen got some help from the refs with some uncalled fouls on BGs
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 18, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
And Salmons played like shit. Gordon played poorly until the 4th.
Brad Miller played about as bad as he has as a Bull. Hinrich was insignificant. Your hero was complete crap.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
tyger1147 I hope you tivo'd this game because you may want to re-evalute your Hinrick critique.
His defense today was absolutely outstanding. I would say it was the best I’ve seen him play since he was voted to the all defensive team a few years ago.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 18, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd agree with that, Kurt annoyed me a few times on offense, but he should be the primary defender on Pierce
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
No, you're right. He wasn't bad on one-on-one defense.
He was pretty irrelevant otherwise.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
his leaving the feet on that one foul he had on Pierce down the stretch slayed me,
but overall he was damned good today at doing what he is supposed to do – mainly defend.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i just saw the first 3 quarters
so what exactly happened on the play that slayed you (i inquire as the obvious hinrich i am)…also hinrich was open a bunch of times at least in the first half but no one really looked for him…but there was at least one play where salmons had the ball all to himself under the rim but pierce d’d him up pretty good, so salmons passed it to a wide open hinrich who stepped into his shot and…missed….made me think that was the reason why he wasnt given the ball the times he was open. Regardless of hinrichs fate going into next season, if i were his coach or something id say work on hitting wide open 3s, forget being clutch just be consistant…..but if salmons and ben gordon can go back to scoring 20pts per game, i wouldnt mind hinrich just giving his all on the other end of the court…..i know u didnt ask for it but thats my two cents….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
On the play in question, Noah hedged out on Pierce and had him contained
for a long two along the right baseline and the shot clock was winding down. Kurt came over for a double team, but leapt at Pierce when Pierce pump-faked.
Pierce of course saw the jump coming and then went up with his shot. He nearly got a three point play, and we were only up by one. Instead, he went to the line and made two giving the Celts the lead at a critical juncture.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons played bad
but we need him to do that. He NEEDS to make Pierce play defense. If Pierce is able to rest on defense because we dont go to Salmons then we’re in trouble
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 18, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally disagree with saying the Bulls got lucky
Or other people saying they stole one. A win in the playoffs is a win in the playoffs. You can make an argument that if VDN takes Miller out the game in the 4th earlier, this game wouldn’t have been that close. The Bulls outplayed them. Period. And as far as what Rose will and will not do going forward, I’m pretty sure nobody here thought that Rose would score as many points and Kareem in his first playoff game so who’s to say that he won’t be huge throughout the series. I picked the Bulls in 6 because I felt that Boston couldn’t stop Rose and guess what, they can’t.
I think you're jumping to conclusions
I picked the Bulls in 6 because I felt that Boston couldn’t stop Rose and guess what, they can’t.
That’s quite a claim after one game. Nocioni put up 25 and 18 in his first playoff game, then average 7.5ppg over his next four.
I said the Bulls got lucky, not we were outplayed, the point being that I still wouldn’t call us the favorite in the series. Look at the shot chart from the game, Boston didn’t hit one shot right of the lane. I bet that hasn’t happened all season, maybe in franchise history. On top of that, look how much more jumpshots we had to hit, while they were getting most of their baskets inside.
Did you just compare Rose to Noc?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
WOW. I think he did just do that
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
There Bulls were -121 when Rose was on the court this year
So yes, he’s very stoppable, as was Noc
that had nothing to do with his offense and everything to do with his defense.
Also, the one flawed area of his game on offense (not getting to the line) seems to be changing as the refs are finally calling it when he gets hammered on his drives. Finally.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The Hornets were -180 when Chris Paul was on the floor in his rookie year
In conclusion, Chris Paul was Nocioni
Evidence: http://www.82games.com/0506/0506NOK1.HTM
ARGUMENT IS UNBEATABLE
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 19, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
hahahahahaha
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
fantastic
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, not bad
CP3 didn't have someone with the defensive prowess of Kirk Hinrich
backing him up his rookie year. Most of that -8.4 comes from improved defense. That’s almost entirely Kirk’s doing.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a fair victory
But the Cs could have won it with that Pierce free throw
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 18, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Powe is still not right from his injury and Doc likes BBD more for some reason. He's played BBD
more minutes even when they were both healthy. It really makes no sense because Power is about 3 or4 times the player that Davis is.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to start the petition that
Leon Powe change his name to Leon Power
It's pronounced PO, and his nickname is "The Show"
I absolutely love his game and would be thrilled if the Bulls stole him away this summer. :)
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree
i love powe. I understand Big Baby though…they need their pf to space the floor. However, Im not very impressed with Big Baby. Also, I think Powe is made to come off the bench. I dont think he could survive an NBA season with starters minutes…hed kill himself.
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Spacing the floor doesn't help if no one respects the shot. Tyrus was giving BBD
that shot all game, as well he should. If BBD is beating us with jumpshots, you tip your cap to him, because that’s the shot you want him taking.
He’s a lousy, lousy player. Doesn’t rebound well for a PF, doesn’t really pass very well, and is a lousy shooter. His sub-11 PER for the year tells you all you need to know about Big Fatty Davis. He’s a replacement level player.
Powe could start for a lot of teams. It makes no sense that Powe gets minutes over Davis.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
woops. It makes no sense that Davis gets minutes over Powe*
fixed.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i didnt say i agree with it
I said I understand why doc does it. I think Powe is a really good player, but I can see why Doc starts Davis….it doesnt mean id do the same. It could be that they want to limit powes minutes considering hes coming off an injury…I believe he was starting over Davis before he got hurt…either way he was putting up good numbers…i picked him up for my fantasy the day before he got hurt.
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 18, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel bad for Derrick Rose.
He probably blew whatever slight chance he had to be voted rookie of the year after fouling out at a key point in the Overtime.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lopez would have done better!
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
on some side notes, watching the game on replay (since i listend on the radio in the car)
How many arena’s chant “Bull-shit” multiple times in the same game over calls that are against them? What is this, High School?
I wonder if our Red-out will be better than Boston’s Green-out.
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
The Bulls don't give away free t-shirts. MONEY!!!
Actually, I don’t know what their plan is.
The Celtics had a t-shirt on every single seat.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
it just looked weak considering they were all provided for them
i’m being a nit-pick on things irrelevant to the game :D
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never heard of a team charging their fans on a promotion they thought of
If they aren’t handing them out for free, then the front office gets to look pathetic once more. It shouldn’t be that hard to get a sponsor for 100,000 t-shirts.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Our Governor tried to shake down a children hospital.
it’s the Chicago way. jk
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
by SoulEater7 on Apr 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Uncle Jerry just wants us to help finance his precious tax money for BG in the offseason
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Here in DC
When they annouce a “red-out” for the Caps games, everyone shows up in red. No freebies and it works
No way
The Bulls are not charging for these shirts are they?
They can’t get Kraft or McD’s to pay for them? I know the beer sponsors can’t pay for them because only ticket holders older than 21 can get them.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It has happened before, just last fall
for the White Sox “Black Out” against Minnesota in the sudden death game for the playoffs. THey just told everybody to wear black. Where have you heard that they are charging the people
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Apr 19, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Refs gave boston all the breaks
Those blocks they called on tyrus on rondo were bad calls. And the Noah block was all ball, and pierce touched that ball at the end. Refs almost cost us the game.
The Bulls continue to defy the odds
What were the odds of us getting the number 1 pick on the draft?
Very thin. But we got it and we picked Rose, our GOD after MJ.
What were the odds of us getting to the playoffs with Vinny del Negro as coach?
Not great. But we are on the playoffs.
What were the odds of us winning a game in these series, especially in Boston?
Little. But we won and showed that we can win some more.
What were the odds we eliminate Boston and go to the conference semi-finals?
Almost none… until today! So, let’s continue to prove that the odds don’t mean a shit.
i'm pissed
i’m in long island with no cable right now. and couldn’t record the game cause my stupid dvr didn’t update by the time i left.
and i’m going to game 2, which will probably be a blowout. hopefully they can keep this up.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
you should be able to watch the replay on ESPN360.com
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, I live on a college campus. That explains it. I'm contemplating re-watching the game over
studying for my law school finals. This could end badly.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for the tip
looks like my cable provider participates. :)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Refs will probably be secretly fined for allowing the Bulls to squeek out a win in the Garden.
The game should have been over when Noah had a completely clean block at the end of regulation. I ran it 3 times at 15 frames a second in hi-def. He defintely had all ball.
The game should have been over before Allen missed the last shot since it clearly rolled off Pierce’s hand, which would have been game over.
Noah had another totally clean block earliner in the game and got whistled for a foul while Tyrus blocked the shot at half-time and got called for goal tending. However in his case, maybe the officials just can’t believe someone can jump that high and get it before its downward arc.
Our Sacramento trio were out of synch most of the game, although Vinny never noticed.
They hit only 9 of 32 (1 for 8 from 3pt land) for a sterling percentage of .281. I’m afraid that Miller is wearing down, Tit always sucked and Salmons cannot overcome his groin injury to be a positive asset during the playoffs.
Fortunately Rose was merely superhuman, Noah played like Rodman in his prime and TT hit 5 straight jumpers. Are they capable of a repeat performance? If so, the Celts could be heading for vacation a lot sooner than planned.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
the refs kept calling fouls because Noah would contact the player AFTER the shot was blocked.
which is stupid, cus that’s a clean block, is it not?
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
its just the way noah blocks. hes very aggressive so it looks like a foul
camby used to get calls like that all the time.
what about that BG's 3 pointer when he was dropped by Allen and no foul was called?
More bad calls on monday
by JustAnotherFan on Apr 18, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Er, TiT came from the Knicks.
Our Sacramento trio were out of synch most of the game, although Vinny never noticed.
Maybe we can?
LUOL DENG would come in handy for us right now.
At times like this where Salmons was a bit “chuck happy” and not exactly lighting it up, oddly enough we could use Luol Deng for some added depth at that position right now. But it seems we are witnessing the “coming of age” of our young players (Rose, Thomas and Noah – along with Gordon’s hot 4th quarter – led us to victory today). Very exciting!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
I agree.
I really think getting scoring from our sf is the 2nd most important matchup after the rose-rondo battle. Pierce is gonna need to score an efficient 20+ points for them to win the series and thats a lot easier if salmons is gimping around and Pierce doesnt need to guard him. If we can tire Pierce out on the defensive end then I think we have a chance at taking the series. I would be fine with Salmons just running off screens the whole game.
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons actually made Pierce work pretty hard for his points today. I was pleased with Salmons's
defense. His offense – not so much.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 18, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i thot it was interesting in the postgame interview that rose was starting to say "my team"
maybe i never noticed before but i sure dont recall him saying “my team” at any point in the season when talking about the bulls
Nice catch
I noticed the same thing, and he never has done that
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
While looking at Rose slash and dash to the hoop, the Big Three collectively said to themselves:
“oh shit”
by NittanyCub on Apr 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
That is GREAT!! LOL!!!
Yeah I think they found out what we all found out today. Rose is one of the tru unguardable forces in the game. Wade, Kobe, Lebron, and Rose. God help them if BG gets going Monday night.
LMAO
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
best
picture ever. is that really from yesterday?
http://bullbearsock.blogspot.com/
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
Just got back from the game...
GREATEST EXPERIENCE EVER!
“I hope this is a wake-up call. I hope we realize the Bulls, they’re not a team that’s just happy to be in the playoffs, so hopefully let’s wake up. This is reality. Let’s pick up our play,” Pierce said.
“Now that we got hit in the mouth, it’s a series.”
It's tough to be around competitive situations . . . but I've been able to manage. I've been able to survive. (GOAT)
Tyrus definitely has a swagger about him
He popped that Pistons player coming down the court (I don’t remember which one), but that was hugh. It just sent a message to everyone, coaches, team mates, fans. Besides Brad Miller, we have another enforcer-Tyrus.
It was on Rip Hamilton.
The guy who broke Ty’s nose. He had it coming, I figure. A guy like that typically always has it coming when he gets his.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Im getting into hockey now.
I used to bash it but the Blackhawks are fun to watch.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Is this your entry for the Random Post Awards?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
*punches somebody in the face*
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
by Prevenge on Apr 18, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
I guess my irrational hatred overflowed a bit there. I thought Rip and he had run ins of the elbow to the face variety.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Couldn't have had a better outcome. The win should allow the Bulls
to play the celtics without fear, but the close game will prevent overconfidence.
Maybe we can?
Apparently this rose guy is pretty good:
“He’s good at using his body to ward off defenders,” said Powe. “And even if he missed the shot, everyone has to come over to try and block it, and it creates an offensive rebound. He gets in there easy. He controlled almost every aspect of the game. He’s as good a point guard as I have seen play.”
Is there a strategy to contain someone like that?
“We’re going to have to come up with one,” said Powe.
Leon Powe via Sports Illustrated
I’m glowing like a pregnant woman right now
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
“As the games go on, the moments get bigger,” Chicago coach Vinny Del Negro said. “I feel like the guys have taken a big step forward, and we know we have a huge challenge in front of us. We’ll enjoy this one for a minute, and then get back to work.”
really like this vinny quote (seriously)
It's tough to be around competitive situations . . . but I've been able to manage. I've been able to survive. (GOAT)
What i told y'all. Hahaha, 4 game sweep in the making, baby..
Philippine Carabao: FRIENDLIER THAN BULL
call me crazy....
but i like our chances. we played pretty shitty in the 2nd half and still pulled this out. I know its only 1 game but I am very proud of this team.
I'm watching the Houston/Portland game
Artest is a free agent this summer…we have to get him. I’m just saying.
Meh
I like Artest as a player, but I really don’t see the fit here. He isn’t a guy who likes the up-tempo game much, and he tends to be a bit of a ball stopper on offense (and we have a few of them already). Like I said, I like his game, but not for us.
Yeah, they need to develop Thomas and Noah into real offensive options.
W/ Salmons on the team (my idea of letting gordon go to make Thomas a No. 2 option now gone), they already have one ball-stopper, as you say. With Artest, that’s another. And someone else who has zero future with this team.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
This is awesome, Mutombo is guarding Oden, you can't tell who's 42 years old
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I thought the same thing.
I usually defend those who rag on Oden’s old-looking face, but when Mutombo got the board over him, I thought, “the 43-year-old gets the board over the 43-year-old lookalike.” hahahaha
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
So, I was just thinking, Rose doesn't really have that ripped of a body.
He’s “strong” and all that, but he could easily add 10-15 pounds of muscle while shedding 5 pounds of fat over the next four or five years. And if he does it slowly like that and concentrates it in his core, he shouldn’t lose any speed.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
Apparently the Boston Bloggers
were upset about Noah’s moving screens and the officiating lol. Im not even joking go to the Celtics blog and check it out for yourself. They thought the officiating was unfair. I can’t believe it.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
Every fanbase bitches about the refs
And Celtics fans are up there with the Blazer freaks when it comes to bitching about the refs, like David Stern is sitting up in his office plotting the doom of their favorite teams.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 18, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
They complained about
Rush correcting Bennet Salvatore’s traveling violation. Ray Allen got his hand on the ball as Salmons was dribbling. Salvatore didn’t see it. Rush did.
The Celtics blogger has two “Derrick Rose” broken ankles to stand on.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The original foul calls were not fair to us
the makeup calls were not fair to them. The game wasn’t officiated very well, but they did get the benefit of numerous calls toward the end of regulation and OT and they still couldn’t convert it into a win. And we had our star foul out on a touch foul.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Has this ever happened before
where four Chicago sports teams win games on the same day? Not just any old games either, all four of them were huge, two being playoff games. What a wild day for sports in Chicago…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
... and he sang the seventh inning stretch today at Wrigley!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
well i did some digging (a guy's facebook status inspired me to)
I’m dodging your question sort of, but the last time the Hawks/Bulls won postseason games on the same day was April 26th 1992: Hawks beat St.Louis 6-4, Bulls beat Miami 120-90. (correct me if i’m wrong)
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds good to me
But I’d love to know if the Cubs and Sox won as well…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
(see below)
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
omg, the cubs and white sox also won on this day
April 26th 1992: CWS beats Detroit 7-6, Cubs beat Pittsburgh 5-4
sources: cubs win, sox win, bulls win, and hawks win
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, nice work!
So, almost 17 years to the day… craziness. Now I just need to know if the Blazers got their ass kicked at home in the playoffs when they were favored. FUN!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
they currently are, 62-88 Houston leads, 10min left in 4th
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
by chibullsfan03 on Apr 18, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, I'm currently soaking that one in as we speak
I was just joking around and asking if they also got whooped in 1992. As much as Blazers fans bug me, I really have to admit how incredible it is that people are hardcore cheering in the fourth quarter when they’re down by 26. The UC would be a dead zone.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 18, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it reminds me of bulls vs pistons after the swept the heat.
i feel bad for oden. they look as if they gave up on him.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
they're pretty awesome fans.
and I have to admit, I like that team and city.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Rockets blow out Blazers 108-81.
LMA finishes with 7 points and 3 boards in 30 minutes.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 19, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus or Aldridge?
For the first time since that draft I think that I would actually take Tyrus over Aldridge. I just love the mean streak. If he could just rebound a little better…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
i agree
i just want him to block shots and rebound. on offense he has the nastiest looking jump shot i almost crap my pants every time he shoots the ball.
by joetheplumber on Apr 19, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Then you haven't seen Noah..
Tyrus J is not that bad looking.
I’ve stopped cringing when he shoots…
Me too
Cringe gone. But I want more grins on my face and that happens when he cuts to the rim and buggie whips it home.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
he worked last summer
with thorpe and got a decent J. one more summer and the pick and roll with rose will be outta control. and if noah takes this off season seriously in the weight room? this team will be great in 2-3 years.
http://bullbearsock.blogspot.com/
http://www.bullbearsock.blogspot.com
I'm interested to see how Rose responds now that everyone thinks he's awesome
In high school the big names were OJ Mayo and Michael Beasley, and Rose flew under the radar. Rose had a quiet regular season at Memphis, flying under the radar before dominating the tournament. At the beginning of this season, few had him picked to win ROY, and many people (me) thought he had a disappointing season, and he dominated game 1 of the playoffs.
But he’s no longer under the radar now. 36 points, 11 assists set expectations sky high – Chris Paul high. There’s no chip on his shoulder in game two, nobody to prove how great he can be to. We’ll see how big his expectations of himself are.
One thing for sure
He doesn’t have to bring doughnuts or carry bags any more.
by hlac on Apr 19, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is DeMarcus Nelson's job.
He doesn’t have to bring doughnuts or carry bags any more.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Apr 19, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If he doesn't have a big game,
it’s not going to mean he got a big head, or satisfied – it will be a product of the Celtics changing their defenses and Derrick regressing to the mean. He had a historic game; he’s probably not going to have two in a row. I feel like we’ll see how he reacts to fame and fanboys next year, after a summer of prognonstication, magazine covers, and fantasty basketball jags pumping him up as the “Next” big thing. Additionally, I’m not certain he was really all that “under the radar” yesterday morning. Most people had him as their ROY pick in a strong class.
But I really like this: “We’ll see how big his expectations of himself are.” To me that’s more to the point – Rose is pretty insulated from the hoopla that, to an extent, has been there. Will he demand the same level of aggression from himself that he produced yesterday? Does he really view the team as his to lead? Does he have the cojones to keep calling his own number – even after he misses a few shots?
The Chris Paul talk is nuts. But after seeing not only yesterday’s level of play, but the last few games of the season, I’ve come to think Derrick really was holding back quite a bit. He has the ability to dominate, and shows it when it’s needed most. I don’t think it’s crazy to think he could be a top-5 point guard in the NBA next season.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Top 5 next season
1. CP3
2. Dwill
3. Tony Parker
4. Billups
5. Rose(?)
He just eviscerated Rondo on his own homecourt in the playoffs. Devin Harris is awesome, but I think Rose, when he turns it on, has a gear that Harris can’t get to. Nash and Jason Kidd will have dropped off by next year because of age, I assume. If I’m missing any other elite point guards, someone let me know.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
That looks pretty good to me,
though I see Harris in the mix as well. And I’m not sure there would be a whole lot of seperation among Parker, Rose, Harris, and Billups.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
And if NO dumps salerys...
CP3 may be less effective, having less skilled players to pass to. Won’t be his fault, but the numbers might not be there to justify his position as #1. If Boozer comes back to Utah and returns to form I could see Dwill moving to #1.
Actually, thinking about it some more, I could see this whole list moving around depending on what teams do in the offseason.
I don't like Harris skill-wise.
He’s just not good at that ‘passing’ thing. The Nets had to structure their entire offense around him to get anywhere near the playoffs.
But maybe I haven’t watched him enough.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
tony parker is much better than rose harris and billups
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why he's above them.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
someone said that there isnt much separation between them
there is…tony parker isnt just a little bit better
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 19, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Parker's fantastic, especially this year. He took it to a whole other level.
I think Derrick will be better than him though. Derrick’s already way ahead of where Parker was as a rookie.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh, I'll buy him becoming a top 5 PG
When the Bulls run a real offense, unless he makes some kind of individual quantum leap like Paul or Tony Parker have in recent seasons.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
offense only?
maybe, but only if he gets 3 or 4 more FTA per game and increases his 3FG% by 5 or 6 % to make it a little more respectable. But Jose Calderon should be in there somewhere.
Defense considered? I’d be hesitant to take Kidd and Rondo out of there.
I think he’s at least another year away from being a Top 5 PG. But who knows, right?
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
Kidd's defense is rubbish at this stage of his career. Every quick PG in the league kills him.
Rondo is freakin’ great though and I think Rose and Rondo are your elite PGs in the East for years and years.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Kidd mostly defends SGs now and he's still good at that.
Kidd probably isn’t top 5 anymore, but if he’s a defensive asset defending the 2, instead of a defensive liability defending the 1 his value increases quite a bit.
Yes, he's still effective because his coach uses him well, but in the abstract
his defense is not what it used to be. He used to be able to lock up point guards, and now your defense has to accomodate him by shifting your 2 guard over to the point to cover for his weaknesses. He’s still valuable because he can guard the 2 as you say, but if you stick him on a team where they have a less than stellar 2 guard defender, then Kidd’s weaknesses become more pronounced.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all about production.
I agree, “in the abstract” and all that, but they have small 2-guard who’s quick in Jason Terry (never mind who actually starts) so they’re accommodating him, too. His defense clearly isn’t rubbish in the role he’s asked to do.
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
Rose will get more calls next year
He drew plenty of contact this season without any calls from the refs.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
rondo
rondo was pretty spectacular too
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah the "evicerated" comment is a bit off
Especially with Rondo putting up 29 – 9 – 7. All around, I don’t see how Rose is a top-5 PG next year. Maybe his offense goes from a +1 to a +3, but I doubt he jumps from -2 to even defensively.
Top 5 next year:
1. Paul
2. Harris
3. Parker
4. Deron
5. Rondo
I’d say he’ll still be behind Billups, Nash, Baron Davis, and Jameer Nelson too. But that still puts him in pretty good company.
I think the question when discussing Rose
is not: where he ranks currently among those players? That is somewhat unfair because of his age. The better question is: Knowing what you know RIGHT NOW, which player would you like to have on your team for the next 5 or 6 years? (minus Chris Paul because I think most people would say him). All homerism aside, I think I would definitely take Derrick.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Derrick's up there, but he's not the definite #2
You’re overrating his performance from one game. Fundamentallysound had Rose’s statistical APM at -1.69 this year. That’s brutal, and I’d rather make my conclusions off a full season of data than 1 game.
Look at the progression of Tony Parker or Devin Harris throughout their careers. It took Parker five years to establish himself as an elite scorer, eight years to develop into a 40+ AST% player. I think Rose is more talented than Parker, but to think he’ll jump to a 20ppg, 8ast player with an efficient TS% next season is optimistic. Possible, but optimistic.
Remember Rondo is just 22, Deron is 24, Harris is 25, and Parker is 26. It’s hard to say Derrick will be better than all four over the next 5-6 years. All four are already so good now, and they can still get better.
You’re overrating his performance from one game
I wasn’t basing my opinion off of one game.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I said you're overrating the one game, not that your whole opinion is based on it
“And I will gladly stick my entire leg in my mouth if he continues to play like this (the foot is already in).”
And it does sound like this one game really raised your expectations.
Well if you were trying to prove that my expectaions were raised
you probably could’ve used this quote by me which was a few posts up:
My expectations have been raised
Also, I think statistics are great, even though I am not the greatest at deciphering all of them myself. But I will never use stats alone to form my opinions of a player.
And when I look at Rose I see a guy that is RIGHT NOW one of the most exciting players in the game. He is able to do things that almost no other players in basketball can do. And he’s only twenty years old. So you’ll have to forgive me for getting a little excited even if the stats don’t back that up.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Derrick's statistical APM is almost surely much greater than it was when I ran those numbers
that was based on 69 games worth of data, the last 13 games of the season Derrick was pretty ridiculously good.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you watched Baron Davis play this year? He's been fuckin' terrible. Come on, YaoPau
you’re better than that. Also, yes, I went overboard with the evisceration comment on Rondo – they both played fabulously, but I was excited and the Bulls won.
I completely forgot about Jameer cause of his injury. You’re also giving Devin Harris WAAAAY too much credit. Parker’s better than he is. Deron Williams is probably better than him, and Rondo’s definitely better than him. If that’s your top 5 Harris has got to be last and I’d argue that Nash and Billups are still better than Harris. Harris got a ton of love this year and he has improved a lot, but he’s gotten a bit overrated this year.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, where did Devin Harris improve his game?
He became a better flopper, and built a better relationship with refs. That’s ALL he did. He still can’t hit the 3 pointer at a decent clip, nor is his jumpshot improved. I give him props for becoming a major force at drawing fouls, but let’s stop grouping him with elite passers when he didn’t even have a better Assist rate than Derrick Rose this season. Maybe next season he’ll have a better knack for running an offense if they go to Brook Lopez more often, but I really don’t see Devin Harris as an elite playmaker like other top PGs.
Harris' AST% *was* better than Rose's this year
34.4% to 28.8%. And I agree Harris is still as suspect shooter, but “he built a better relationship with refs” is a huuge deal. He was 5th in the NBA in free-throw attempts this year, and as long as he’s going to the line 9 times a game to Derrick’s 3, Derrick has a lot of ground to make up.
Couple things with Baron Davis. First, he was the #1 ranked PG in APM last year at +7.42. This year in LA his net plusminus is +2.1, and his AST% and USG% were above his career average. He shot the ball horribly, we all know this, but he’s shot similarly bad before and bounced back strongly. At 29 years old, I don’t see any reason why he would fall off from the #1 PG to outside the Top 10 in twelve months’ time. With a better/experienced/healthier supporting cast next year I think he’s a safe pick over Rose.
That's Basketball-Reference Ast%
He’s referring to Hollinger’s Ast%, Rose is at 25, Harris is at 23.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I just read the formula for Hollinger's AST%
Thanks for the clarification.
Ast Assist Ratio is the percentage of a player’s possessions that ends in an assist. Assist Ratio = (Assists x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]
What a goofy stat. All that says is of all the times Harris shoots, passes, or turns the ball over, 23% of the time he passes. That analyzes style, not effectiveness. In reality, Harris has more ast/36 on a slower paced team with a higher % of his teammate’s assists than Rose. It’s not realistic to discount Harris’ passing just because he scores 21ppg to Rose’s 16.
I see a reason for suspecting Davis won't bounce back and it's written
on the front of his jersey. The Clips are cursed, man. Cursed, I say!
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 20, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Kidd's alright, he's just starting to look old and next year he'll be a year older
Calderon’s more interesting to me. His AST/TO numbers are great, but the type of assists he gets are not: 267 of his assists this year are for 2pt jumpshots compared to 194 for inside shots. That’s not a good ratio, and it means to me that he’s not creating that much offense with his passing, he’s just the best guy on his team at swinging the ball around. And the stats back it up: Anthony Parker is second on the team with a 15.7 AST%, that’s worse than Ben Gordon.
Calderon’s offensive APM last year was +3.14. That’s pretty good, but nowhere near the OAPM’s of interior-passing PGs – Nash 10.01, Paul 9.4, Kidd 5.98, Davis 5.96. Defensively he’s known for being poor, and his -3.69 DAPM showed that. So he was a negative player overall last year, and this year the Raptors never got off the ground with him handling the point exclusively. I think he’s a decent player, but I expect Rose to overtake him next year.
I liked Calderon a lot early on
But aside from being an incredible shooter, his passing skills are wholly overrated. He’s good enough to run an offense, but he can’t create shot opportunities for his teammates, a big reason why the perimeter players for Toronto suck so much.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 20, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know, maybe we should stop comparing im to point guards?`
What he did yesterday… Deron Williams can’t do. I said from the beginning that Rose is more like Wade where he can do whatever the occasion calls for. If that’s the case, comparing him to guys like Chris Paul and Devin Harris may be a little unfair to Derrick in the long run. To me the guy looked like Wade or Kobe last night. Meaning that he was unstoppable. I’ve heard people say he’s the Lebron of PGs and I agree with that. He’s an unguardable player who, when the times calls can enforce his will on others. I don’t think he’s a stat stuffer like CP3 or just a big shot taking leader like Billups. I think that he is something at that position that we haven’t seen before. He put a team on his back last night and refused to lose. There are only a handful of guys in the league that can do that. Rating him by the PG position may be a little unfair.
by Dils on Apr 19, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a weird hybrid of DWade and Tony Parker. He's got Parker's game, but with
DWade’s athleticism and finishing ability at the rim. He’s going to be scary good, especially if he can ever get himself to be a positive contributor on the defensive end.
Fire Vinny.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 19, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you thought Rose had a disappoint rookie year?
you should stop focusing so much on stats and actually watch some games than
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
d.rose will
win 1 maybe 2 MVPs and 3 championships over his career.
Sustainable!
Enshrine him in the HOF NOW, jersey retirement ceremony on Thursday night, change Lake Shore Drive to “That’s your Point GAWWWRD right there Neil, Boulevard.”
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Rajon Rondo 2009 playoff stats:
28.4 PER, 63.7 TS%, 34.4 AST%, 133 ORtg, 94 DRtg
Fuck Vinny Del Negro.
And all that without anyone really guarding him.
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Because it was a relatively low scoring game
They only cracked 100 after playing 5 extra minutes. Rose and Rondo aside, most players had bad shooting nights on both teams.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We Struck First Blood...
…now we just have to prepare for the C’s comeback in game 2! The refs aren’t going to any kinder, so hopefully our guys will be ready for more bullshit calls/non-calls, and more physical play by the C’s. My gripe on our play: SHOT SELECTION, SHOT SELECTION, SHOT SELECTION! I’d LOVE to see better choices being made on the offensive end, and our defense was alright and at times solid. Overall, we stuck together and pulled out the victory! Derrick was our stud on offense, Joakim was boardin’ his ass off, and Kirk’s D on Paul Pierce in the 4th was great! On some real talk, Doc Rivers knows that the Bulls can beat them without KG, and the only way they beat us is if KG pulls a “Willis Reed” to inspire his teammates. Which for some reason, i feel will most likely to happen. And why not? After going 18-0 in the beginning of the season, and looking unbeatable- they became surprisingly mediocre after their West Coast road trip. Then the injury to KG, the signing of Marbury, and the mild-heart attack suffered by Danny Ainge last week. I’d say IF, and that’s a BIG IF- they manage to get past the Bulls, make it to the Eastern Conference Finals, win and make it back to the NBA Finals, wouldn’t that make for a perfect story-boarded season? Overcome all this adversity, and STILL win it all. If that happens, i’ll be DONE with the NBA! But getting back to the present reality, the Bulls are in control of their own destiny, and if we can continue to make Boston play OUR game- then we should win this series and slay “Goliath” once again. “Derrick Rose IS the 2009 NBA Rookie Of The Year!!!”
J.I.
by Jeye15 The Legend on Apr 19, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
The most impressive thing about rose yesterday was his awareness
He understood that BG and Salmons were off so he carried the load. Then, when BG caught fire, he let BG do his thing. Its not that he cant do it again, but that he knows that the rest of the team needs to be happy to win. Usually, bg, salmons or kirk are hot (at least one of them) and he lets them get theirs. Yesterday, he had to do everything to win. Of course, he was hitting incredibly difficult shots and most importantly he finally got calls. I have yet to see Derrick get to the line so consistently…all i can say is finally.
I think Derrick has it in him to do that on a consistent baseline, but he shouldnt have to. When people compare other pgs to paul, they must realize that paul has to do that on a nightly basis to win. That is not to take anything away from paul…hes clearly the best pg in the league and its not even close, but he wouldnt put up such crazy stats if he had other players, besides west, who could create their own shots.
Rose shouldnt have to do that every game, but its nice to know that he can when needed. Of course, he did that all season, but only for a quarter at a time.
by rosefromconcrete on Apr 19, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Of course I want the Bulls to win game 2 but
they have exceeded all my expectations so far and I won’t be that down for a loss. I really thought if you could get one game from the first two you’ve done your job.
The Celtics won’t lay down though so they have to keep playing with that killer instinct.
They need to get more from BG and Salmons too.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
My expectaions have been raised
It’s pretty simple now, yesterday Derrick Rose was the best player on the court. If that remains the same, which is very possible, and the other guys don’t just totally suck ass, the we can win the series. If Rose begins to let up a little and isn’t as aggressive as last game then we’ll lose. But either way it’s going to be a really good series and go six or seven games either way
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How much were you loving yesterday?
After continually bashing Rose all season for not being more assertive, he pulls this off. Pretty awesome :-D
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
It was a thing of beauty
And I will gladly stick my entire leg in my mouth if he continues to play like this (the foot is already in). Although in a way it does justify what I was saying. I absolutely LOVE the guy’s game, there is nobody in the NBA I enjoy watching play more. But when you see him play and how great he is, you just know he has way more to give out there (even as a rookie). And he proved that yesterday by having his best game of the year in the playoffs. That was all I was ever trying to say. If it came across as ripping him than that was my fault.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it is ripping on him
when you want him to do what you know he is capable of doing. If anything it is a compliment. Lots of guys out there don’t even have the capability of doing it.
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I agreed with JB all year about Rose not being more aggressive.
I think people took it the wrong way but after watching Rose yesterday you wonder how many more games the Bulls could have won had he been this aggressive. There were times when he needs to just do it himself and thats what my grip was early also. He needed to make the team his and I think he did yesterday and know even his team gets it. He’s the man.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Exactly
You even posted that picture in the fanshots which linked to the Kelly Dwyer article. And in it, he says:
Straightaway, Derrick Rose had it. He deferred a little too much late (just because Brad Miller is open, it doesn’t mean you’re not the best option, Derrick)
It’ not that Dwyer is bashing Rose, it’s just that he damn well knows the best play right there is for Derrick to keep the ball and make shit happen himself because he is just so damn good.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a PG so he has to
balance being dominant and deferring . I think it worked really well in this last game. He was dominant when he had to and deferred when Gordon got hot in the 4th and Tyrus in OT and even sought out Noah for some easy shots at the basket. Sometimes in previous games where we struggled he didn’t dominate and instead deferred too much when we needed him to just take over. The balance worked out perfectly in the last game. Our shooters struggled for most of the game, but Rose compensated.
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I know you were responding to Soul
but let me just say that when I’m talking about being aggressive, I do not mean scoring the ball more. I’m just saying aggressive in all areas. If Ben Gordon’s hot, fantastic, drive and kick to get him a better shot. Aggressiveness shows up all over the court. Just look at Rondo going after big rebounds last night. That’s what I would like to see from Derrick
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not sure what kind
of rebounding star Rose is going to be. Rondo has some freaky long arms. The best I can see him improving is just boxing out so Rondo doesn’t get it. Rondo’s rebounding was partially attributed to numerous times Rose didn’t box him out. Typically Rose isn’t going to have to deal with that against other PGs. I’d be happy just to see him do that in this series more.
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True
but Chris Paul rebounds very well for his position and he doesn’t have long arms. I think when you’re 6 feet tall and trying to grab a basketball over a bunch of 7 footers it has a lot more to do with instincts, positioning and just flat out desire. But I totally agree that Rose has to be more aware of Rondo at all times and be sure to box him out.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Derrick is gonna be a great rebounder for his position
Rondo and Paul both hang around the basket after misses, and both get a lot of long rebounds off long jumpshots. Rose is such a great jumper and has amazing strength that he gets a lot of boards when he hangs around the rim and doesn’t just let Noah or Thomas grab the board. It’s all on him
My greatest enemy is my inner me
No, I agree with you. It was frustrating at times, but I
just think it was hard to expect that out of him as a rookie. No matter how talented he is. Hopefully the playoffs prove to be the impetus that gets him to dominate night in and night out.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
yeah he needs to keep attacking tomorrow night.
get to the line and get everyone involved. I doubt he’ll be getting to the hoop that easy. They will knock him down.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
I'm thinking if the Bulls win 2 of the next 3
the refs will shift to giving the Bulls the foul calls.
if they can will game 2 I think the bulls can take the series in 4 or 5.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
We just have to weather one more game at Boston
and then we have home court advantage where traditionally the refs seem nicer to us. I’d love it if we could win it at home in game four. I guess I’ll hold off on that much optimism until after game two. By then it should be pretty obvious how things are going to go down.
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Oh I would love that also.
You have to expect the redeem game tomorrow. Heavy dose of PP and Allen. Mostly PP attacking. It should be interesting to see how the Bulls respond when Boston is salivating right now.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
If they are able to do what you just said than that would be a bad sign of things to come
I’m sure they will have a ton of energy from the jump, but unlike Doc Rivers I think they actually had good energy in the last game. By saying that the Celtics will take their game to another level, that means they were holding back something. And part of my reason for thinking the Bulls can win is because I don’t think they actually do have that much more to give. Sure Ray Allen won’t go one for twelve every game, but I think yesterday’s game is very indicative of how the rest of the series should be. And if not… the Bulls are in big trouble.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Its more of Boston just making adjustments for game 2. Energy was fine.
They’ll stick to things that made them successful. PP attacking for 48 like Rose. More Rondo drives. And Allen should show up. If Im Boston right now I say to Rondo attack Rose and make him play defense on you. PP take it to the rack and do your thing.
On Defense they should throw ’’blitzes’’ on Rose and trap. BG and Salmons must be hitting and I like to see Kirk step up because he will be guarding PP more Im sure. He needs to show up offensively and connect on his open 3’s.
Maybe Boston lays an egg but I doubt it.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
Yea, BG and/or Salmons will be huge
Salmons especially has to be a little more decisive and try to move the ball a little better. When the ball sticks to him, in this current injured state, bad things happen.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing with Salmons is that he takes bad shots and makes them.
Which is fine during the regular season when people don’t play as hard. Playoffs are different. He kills ball movement like you said and know body is down to rebound when he shoots.
Great point his decision making must catch up to the pace of the game. Either take it to the basket or keep the swing going. I think the same for Miller. He won’t get those silly lazy flip lay ups in physical playoff basketball. That shots not there anymore. Thats a regular season shot.
For Miller it’s either shoot the open J or pass. I really don’t wanna see him driving to the hoop unless it’s clearly there. Leave that to Rose. Miller is going to have to change his approach much like Salmons.
Really I would be more favorable of Miller driving to the basket during the home games when he can get the calls.
going into Bulls playoff lock down..now!
No doubt the Celtics will adjust and make it very hard to pull off
- keep the ball out of Rose’s hands
- get Rose in foul trouble
- get Ray Allen going offensively
- exploit our obvious weakness at the pick and roll
Of course we need to get Gordon going earlier, limit Salmon’s shot attempts to those within the range his injury dictates, keep Tyrus involved and use Miller smarter than we did, and our coach needs to learn how to use time outs down the stretch.
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After a full day, my initial excitement has worn off
And I just keep thinking back to how this game should have ended in regulation had the Bulls continually not wasted crucial possessions. John Salmons routinely throwing up bricks with 15 seconds left on the shot clock is fine at the beginning of the game. After he misses 6 of those shots (and Tim Thomas heaves bricks), you’d think Vinny would try a new strategy, perhaps get some shots for Gordon, or let Rose try and penetrate some more. Then in crunch time, they kept switching on pick/rolls leaving Rose (who had 5 fouls) to guard Paul Pierce.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
I think the Bulls should have won by a bigger margin had the calls been even.
I think they had like an 11 point lead and the refs kept giving the ball back to Boston in which had been a pretty evenly called game. It started to get away from the refs after that and they had to start giving make up calls. Really they killed the Bulls momentum it was kinda embarrassing how bad they messed up the game flow.
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The refs did not tell the Bulls to a) turn the ball over at crucial moments
or b) keep letting Salmons and Miller shoot the ball. The refs were horrendous, but teams are always capable of winning in spite of them.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet, after doing all of those things you said, they still won the game (on the road). Pretty impressive.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true
and I think it shows how much room we have to improve. If Salmons and Miller can start making their jumpshots (that they used to be able to make), and if Gordon can get going earlier in the game, and if Tim Thomas makes his open threes (that he’s good at), then this game would be a blowout. Plus, if Noah hadn’t fouled Pierce at the end of regulation, we would have won in regulation.
Hopefully we can learn from our mistakes and play better tomorrow.
Assuming
Pierce managed to miss a mid-range jumper against a guy 4 inches shorter than him. And even if he missed it they might have got a tip in since Noah was no where near rebounding range and they’d have numbers under the basket. I am fine with how things went down. Noah shouldn’t have taken the risk, and on replay it wasn’t a foul, but in the end it worked out. I am just glad Pierce didn’t get the ball anywhere near the basket for a made shot or a tip in. We would have had other problems if that shot had gotten off. The magic moment was Pierce missing a ft.
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Is it just me or does anyone else think that Rose
abandons his jump shot in the fourth quarter and late game situations? I was thinking about it and in the fourth quarter and at the end of games he simply will not shoot a jump shot. I know it’s good to see him drive to the hoop, but that jumper can be a very valuable weapon when teams pack the lane against him. Also, if you think back to most of those failed attempts at game winners they were all drives to the basket, when in reality pulling up for a jump shot would have been a better option.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
It matters less now
if Rose gets the calls. The contact was always there, but now the call are as well. Driving to the basket isn’t a bad thing in that situation. In this last game he had Gordon making the outside shooting for him and in OT Tyrus. That could have been why he wasn’t taking as many himself down the stretch. That and the fouls finally being called when he draws contact.
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It was pretty awesome
seeing him finally get foul calls. It was almost like the NBA informed the refs that he’s the RoY and Stern demanded he start getting calls in the playoffs. Oh, conspiracies!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Yea, I agree
but I’m more talking about the VERY END of the game. Like the final shot, where you very rarely see a foul called. But otherwise, yea, hopefully he starts to get those calls. He still needs to get his acting/screaming game together, unfortunately most officials need audio as well as visual evidence to blow the damn whistle.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think by then
the defense is already closing in on him, so his pass or drive turns into plan B
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