Heat 130, Bulls 127 (2OT): oof
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM CDT
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PrintUnfortunately this is more of a stub than a full recap. I was able to watch the second half and both OTs, but could only pay 70% attention.
I didn't think it was possible to lose when you had the ball with 10 seconds and the game tied, but there you go. And better yet: since it was Wade, I've now seen the replay about 500 times of the buzzer-beater even while trying to avoid it. Fitting on a night where Wade got all the calls Rose and Gordon couldn't.
And I suppose one lesson is that we can't single out Gordon as the only one who misses late game attempts (Rose), or kills the team with key TOs (Salmons). It'd also be nice if actual plays were run in those extra periods.
Again, I didn't watch this well enough to put some overlying reason for a Bulls loss, perhaps they never should've even been in it except for an unconscious 4th quarter from Ben Gordon (with every elating moment followed by the immediate stomach-punch feeling realizing how unlikely it'll be he returns next season...). Perhaps I'll just stick with the percentages and blame it on Vinny.
I would've picked many ways for this loss to come before getting the Wade-star-moment after the Bulls-ineptitude catalyst, that's for sure.
Man, and there's an off day tomorrow too...
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Specialized Ben Gordon TO's = Specialized John Salmon's TO's
I need confirmation on this.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
are you factoring in the multipliers?!?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I really need to know whether Salmons dribbled it off his own foot to make a decision.
If he just got it straight stolen, then it’s not as bad as what Gordon does because I won’t remember it as vividly 1 year and 2 months from now.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I'm pretty sure Gordon just got straight stripped on the infamous turnover.
That started the myth that Gorodn turns it over all the time in the clutch.
Magic hit Gordon with a double team using Dwight, and Dwight just manhandled the ball out of Gordon’s hands.
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Like last night
when Gordon turned it over twice towards the end of the game? (Once running into traffic and losing the ball instead of passing it back out and the other when he walked). Great game from Gordon but he always will do something during the game that make you think what the fuck was he thinking.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Very few players play perfect games
Especially players who have the ball in their hands a lot — you’ll see mistakes.
Gordon has defensive issues and can’t handle really well. But he has a real NBA skill — he can score. And he can score from long-range. As imperfect as his game is, I think he’s a player people will appreciate more when he’s gone.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 10, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay KC Johnson
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
he was fouled going into traffic
Wade knocked him down and 2 other guys. That was a foul on Wade
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
so him running into traffic and throwing him arms in the air is always a smart thing to do.
If the refs are not making calls don’t play like they are.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I'm just saying they missed that call
and they were calling fouls, he shot 8 free throws. But they missed that one. I don’t really get your point. BG turned the ball over twice. Thanks for the newsflash. In other news, Salmons turned the ball over on the last play of the game
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Andrew7
stated that BG turning the ball over is a “myth”. Just showing that it isn’t. Gordon scores ; Gordon makes some bone headed turnovers that is what he is.
newsflash El Heat won the game.
I would put this lose on the coaching staff.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Last post on this terrible game
They were atrocious with the ball on the perimeter. Chalmers and Wade were picking off a lot of passes, that’s why they came back in the 2nd quarter.
The officiating was brutal, and downright comical in its bias. Tyrus looked like he wanted to kill someone in the 3rd, even Rose and Salmons were flipping out after some choice no-calls.
Also, Wade hit a miracle 3 pointer to end the FIRST half to put them up by 2. That shot goes in one out of every 30 attempts, and he made it (with Hinrich in his face) tonight.
Bottom line, the Bulls went blow for blow with Wade and the refs, and should have come out on top. Inept coaching and decision making continue to doom this promising team in a more gut-wrenching way than the previous loss. Oh Paxson, when will you stop the bleeding?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Ozzie you said a mouthful. All I can add is ditto.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Phil Jackson would have blasted the refs post game,
and gotten both a big fine and better treatment next game. We need to see the same from either VDN or Paxson.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 10, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Where is that Italian fire anyway?
Gordon’s had a bigger outburst than Vinny this year.
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What does Vinny have - one T for the whole season?
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Vinny's a fugazi, as Tim Thomas would say
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
VDN
Can’t afford the big fine….I mean compared to most people sure, but compared to the coaches….not so much…
If VDN got fined for defending his players
Pax should pick up the tab.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 10, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The organization would most surely pick up the tab if he was defending his players
At least go halfsies.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that
Jerry Reinsdorf is too cheap to pay Ben Gordon, yet oddly the same folks who tend to say that (and I’m just stereotyping you with the BaB masses) will say though they’d cover any find Vinny got, or at least pick up half…
Because paying half a 25,000 dollar fine is a little different
Than committing 5 years, 50 million, isn’t it?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 11, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
But paying half of a $50K fine to a lame
Duck coach is throwing money away more than paying 5 yr $50M to your best player…..
Great fucking summary.
A real heartbreaker tonight, ladies and gentlemen.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Coaching was fine yesterday
The reason we lost had more to do with officiating and an unconcious Wade (and the officiating may have helped Wade get going, but once he got going, wow)….
There really wasn’t much else we could do yesterday….that’s a game we would have won at home and though we gave a huge effort on the road, the lack of calls hurt.
I know there’s a big bias to call out the coaching, but on a game like yesterday it was completely unwarranted…..the Noah-Miller frontcourt was something…
No, the coaching was bad, horribly bad
I can’t believe I forgot to write about the zone defense. Smarter minds may know more than me, but I think the Bulls play more zone than any other team in the NBA, and they do it at the worst possible times. Wade starts hitting 3s? Play zone! Chalmers, Cook, Beasley hitting outside shots and making the extra pass? More zone! You live and die by playing man with Wade. He may have been on fire, but we got all the other Heat players involved with easy open shots because of zone defense.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You typically
want Wade (29%) shooting 3’s…..our guys forgot how to play solid and consistent man to man defense 2 years ago……and we’ve been most effective at zone and rotation defenses.
No I think yesterday was a case of bad officiating and two incredible talents completely in the zone, unfortunately for us, one of them (Wade) just is better than ours (GOrdon)…
Gordon didn't get the ball when he should have.
Wade did. So VDN strikes again. At least the Heat know their own players.
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When Wade's hot, he's hot from all over the court
And no defense on Earth was going to stop him last night. However, it’s all about limiting the bleeding from the rest of his motley crew. Chalmers, Beasley, Haslem all had huge buckets in crunch time because of the zone defense. Wade had 12 assists last night, that’s an unacceptable number because you want him to beat you, not the rest of the team.
Oh, and not fouling Wade when there was 20 seconds left in regulation and they had a foul to give? That’s bad coaching, and it’s the most annoying non-move any team can make in the NBA, and that’s a coaching decision. It’s time to accept Vinny is reaching Boylan levels of ineptitude. This team simply isn’t anything but 7th seed fodder for the Celtics without a better coach.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder where they rank as well
they do seem to go to zone a lot. And in general, switch strategies a lot….which to me signals more of a lack of strategy than versatility.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Versatility R' Us
I mean, they can go 2-3, 1-3-1, 1-2-2, 2-1-2, eight-minus-three, it’s endless – and the Heat announcers even pointed out some box+1 last night…
although it was while I was in the kitchen, so I couldn’t tell if it was an actual box+1 by design or if 4 guys thought they were suppose to be playing zone and the other thought it was suppose to be man-to-man. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Mar 10, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What I want to know
is why we didn’t have a minimum triple team on Wade for the 3 at the end of regulation. What did Vinnie think was going to happen in that situation? And why was Noah defending the paint? We’re up three, seconds left, your quickest defender fronts Wade, Noah is zoning at the top of the key, and your next best is ready to double immediately and trap aggressively. Why Wade was iso’d against Salmons in that spot is beyond me.
by California Al on Mar 11, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO
That’s the play that killed us. They left him wide open for the tying 3 — the obvious only thing the Heat would be doing at that point.
Ugggg
"Remember, I'm Italian".
30% 3 pt shooter
Wade’s a great passer and as everyone knows quite good at attacking the rim if given the chance.
Leaving him open for a 3 pt shot might be the best way to defend him without a healthy kirk…
When you're winning by 3 with seconds left???
That’s exactly what I was afraid of. Now Vinnie’s reading Scotter’s posts and is trying to play BOP!!! I mean even if you watch the replay, it was like Salmons wasn’t aware that the only thing he could hurt us with was a 3. He made a quick juke, froze Salmons, stepped back and shot an open 3. That was the number one option a thinking coach would have tried to deny. All 5 guys should have been defending the 3, with 2-3 focused on Wade. IMO
by California Al on Mar 11, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
True,
I watched that game on the stupid DVR which cut off…..
I still think you’d rather give up that kind of a shot than a drive typically, but I thought you were talking of the last second shot that allowed them to win by 3….at which point, and unfortunately that’s the part of that classic game that I frigging missed (oh how I miss my Direct Tv DVR, the Dish DVR is awful, but Dish has a better package and guide, so I’ve lived with it…..
The DVR sucks though as I am generally 30 minutes behind always so I can get something done before the game and then not watch the commercials….
Oh well…
It's not just Vinny that does this
It’s a continuing trend in the NBA, it’s annoying as hell.
If your team is up by 3 and has a foul to give, and the opposing team has time for one last shot, isn’t it just common sense to foul before the guy can get a shot up?
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 11, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
The better strategy is “I heard that the reason we traded (genuflects) Nocioni was that Salmons is a lockdown defender. John, you take Wade, everyone else in a box and one. AND NO LAYUPS!!!”
by California Al on Mar 11, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why some of us were so happy with the trade.
This, right now, is a fifth-seed talent team, which means it’s possibly a 2nd-round team. That might not mean much considering they’ll lose Gordon this summer and the weakness of the conference, but getting to the 2nd round would have been tremendous for the re-building and not the national respeck that so many of the Chicago fans crave.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
They probably need the offday, even if it's a chance for this to hang over them.
They may have young legs, but those legs still got a workout tonight.’’
I just feel bad for the players tonight – they weren’t all perfect by any means, but they really did leave it all out on the court.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
This game was just another example of why the NBA sometimes resembles the WWWF.
These officials are in the tank for superstars, and our commissioner ought to take his head out of his ass and realize there is more to the league than a handful of prima donnas who must be treated with kid gloves so they can be used to promote the superstars to the detriment of every other less talented player who dons a uniform.
The only reason Wade has a ring was because it was given as a gift by the NBA refs.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Dabullz.com Recap
http://dabullz.com/2009/03/09/miami-heat-130-vs-chicago-bulls-127/
All I can say is wow, what a great game. BG (missed free throw) and Salmons (stripped) helped cost this game for the Bulls, but it’s hard to fault those two too much, when they hit so many big shots for the Bulls tonight.
Rose was pretty horrible tonight. His efficiency was ugly.
I thought our interior defense, especially Brad Miller, was lacking tonight. Didn’t help that Tyrus checked out.
Had to blow off some steam after the game, but it’s hard getting too mad over this, since I’m a big Dwyane Wade fan.
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Rose
Was passing the ball and running the offense very well, he was pushing the ball. His D was ok by his standards, sure he didn’t score much and may not have had a ton of assists, but I could see he was a real deal PG in a tough game yesterday (not that I didn’t think so already, but I was impressed again by watching him and not the box)….
"When he drives to the basket, it’s almost always about Rose scoring."
I think that observation is just inaccurate. When DRose goes to the basket, he sucks at least 2/3 defenders with him and frequently does kick it out to a shooter (or more recently BMiller). If those players then make an extra pass (or give a pump fake and drive) when the defense tries to recover, it often results in a made basketball. On those sequence of events, DRose will not show up in the box score. I had to listen to the local Heat radio guys last night, and well into OT, they kept saying the Heat have to keep DRose out of the lane b/c he’s in there all the time. Further, most of his misses were at the basket…granted they were almost always contested, but at least half of those misses will be trips to the free throw line in 2 yrs.
Yeah
He passed far more often when he drove than he forced a shot…..that awesome pass to Noah that he just barely missed after getting hacked (then missed the FT’s was one of those oh wow plays)…
I just can't believe with so many chances to win
how they couldn’t get the job done. And they still don’t know who they want with the ball to win the fucking game.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I'm thankful for an exciting game
Remember the last game at Miami around Christmas. This game had a lot of athletic plays, a great shooting streak by BG, and a superstar near his best.
In a season where I don’t consider any games meaningful until Vinny is gone this was a nice breath of fresh air.
Positives-
Salmons played pretty tough, hitting big free throws, scoring at important junctures of the game, he at least tried to guard Wade( no one would have worked tonight). Too many TO’s 5 so did BG 5 and Rose 4. Thats in a combined 160some minutes though.
Noah- I can’t recall the last game where Noah looked like he wasn’t trying and that means a lot on this team. He was very active tonight with 15 boards and 11 pts.
Derrick- Saw up close how one player can tear the heart out of a team and completly control a game. Derrick is nowhere close to that yet. Maybe this feeling will be in the back of his mind when he is ready to take over games next year or 2010.
Negatives-
During BGs 4 3s in 3 mins I got a very worried feeling that the Deng]Gordon contract fiasco last summer may turn out to be the worst of Pax’s blunders.
Tyrus- A lot of people were mad at Vinny for benching Tyrus for about an hour of actual time. At the begining of the 4th he had two dribble drives turnovers where he went 1 on 1. Followed by the block on Beasley that led to the Tech. I suprised myself for praising Noahs consistant effort as of late…. Tyrus is not going to change. His basketball IQ is the same as it was as a rookie. Maybe he developed the 17ft jumped this year but he isn’t any smarter on the court. Vinny couldn’t play him in a tight game because he makes stupid basketball decisions. Last Heat game he left Marion to double Wade but came way to late… so I think Vinny was justified going with a very very tired Brad Miller.
Gordon might play himself into a position.
Where the Bulls will be obligated to pay him, otherwise face massive fan backlash.
It was definitely a great game. Hopefully this is one of those games where the Bulls use the competitive fire that came with it, and use that to go on a winning streak. If we can beat Philadelphia and OKC, and then one of NO/BOS/LAL, I’d feel good on this trip, going into alot of winnable games on the stretch run.
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Yeah
It’s funny that day I finally say maybe we move past BG (I think BG will kill us for years after he leaves) he plays his best game of the year….
Does massive fan backlash
Mean you will no longer post here?
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Mar 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
just look for his new blog
datimberwulvz.com
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
"Al Jefferson is a real blackhole on offense, he is too selfish for Gordon to succeed."
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The TOs are hard to
swallow because the refs were letting the Heat reach in way too much all game. It looks bad on us, but on a normal night the same kind of play by the Bulls would not have resulted in that kind of ugly stat.
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Tyrus doesn't make as many stupid basketball decisions as his coach does.
He didn’t have a great game and is once again being the scapegoat when things go south. His plus/minus tonight was +4, 2nd only to Hinrich’s +13, while Rose and Noah were both -12 and Salmons whom you praised was -6 and Miller was -3. Yet you say Vinny couldn’t trust him. Tyrus was victimized by the refs which added to his frustration.
So maybe if he got more floor time he would cut down on these mistakes. During that short period where he knew he was going to get at least 30 minutes per game, his performance was impressive, racking up double doubles and averaging 16 points per game.
Tyrus had 4 TO’s, but so did Rose and Gordon, while Salmon had 5. But only when TT turns it over does it become a memorable event, or when he tried to help against Wade allowing Marion to roll to the basket, where Noah was late picking him up on the switch. It’s too bad Tyrus wasn’t in tonight to double Wade instead of allowing him an open look for a 3 at the end of regulation. He may have missed if Tyrus elevated in front of the shot instead of Salmons not even putting a hand in his face knowing he was going to take it.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Riddle me this...
Do you really think that Tyrus has a high basketball IQ? And do you really think that he didn’t deserve to be benched tonight?
Tyrus
Was off all night. His D was good, but on offense he wasn’t playing well. THe Miller-Noah duo was simply playing better (Though I thought Brad played like crap the first half, he played much much better in the 2nd half).
That was one of the more disappointing Tyrus games in a while……
he was totally rattled by the officiating
and i can’t blame him. he couldn’t get into a rhythm last night at all.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Basically.
I mean, it made sense to bench him, but it wasn’t entirely his fault.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
i definitely agree with his benching
because he let it get in his head more than he should have. but he didn’t have much of a good chance to get going on O cause of the crappy foul calls.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I heard the first half on the radio
and the way wenningtonn and swirksky were calling it, it seemed tyrus was was forcining things early on, and when his shots werent falling, he was vocally showing frustration, he eventually began showing the same frustration towards his team mates when wade denied the inbound to d.rose and no one came back to inbound the ball. On tyrus’ first foul he was mouthing off to the refs, and bill wennignton was saying he was lucky not to get the Tech. When he finally threw his moutpiece (ala kirk hinrich) he got the tech and any coach couldve seen that enough was enough. He was just in a bad mood that game to begin with, and the officiating, the lack of his shots going in, added to the pressure of double overtime, i can see why vinny was reluctant to put him in the game.
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Andrew7 has nailed an inconvenient truth, something juiceberry has been harping on as well.
“Derrick Rose had another bad game. He had 23 points, but took 25 shots to get that. He only had 3 assists. Rose is a point guard, and he needs to start playing like one. That means setting up his teammates to score. When he drives to the basket, it’s almost always about Rose scoring. It’s never about playing some kick and drive offense”.
I know the weakenesses of +/-, but D Rose was -11, while Kirk had the highest , gimpy leg and all, with a +12. His defense is atrocious and when his shot isn’t falling, he is a liability on the court, although he does make some highlight shots every game, which are exciting to watch. But he has also cost us games by not recognizing his teamates when he drives. In time, I think this will be corrected.
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dude don't use plus/minus anymore that stat has so many holes.
This season is about Rose. He had some bad plays but this season is about Rose taking his lumps and learning. You can’t dog him because Wade was draining shots with hands in his face every time the game was on the line.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
Rose got laid out
a number of times without a call on those misses. It really wasn’t as bad as the stats made it out to be had normal calls been made. He should have used his brain more and found ways of contributing in other ways, but you can’t really fault a guy for throwing his body out there and taking hits for the team when everyone is typically clamoring for him to do that.
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I think his game will improve....Rose has learned a classic lesson that all emerging stars learn...
Jordan learned it from Bird and yes Isaiah. Shaq learned it from Olajuwon. It takes greatness to make greatness. Wade just taught his fellow chicagoan a lesson in greatness tonight.
Wade said of Rose in an earlier game that they played each other that “Rose is more athletic than me” and considering the show that Dwayne Wade put on tonight he was telling the kid something.
Dr. J did not lay down when Larry Bird came into the league nor Magic Johnson. They had to take it from him, but then they saw a young Jordan come up and they forced Jordan to be great. The same with Shaq. The same with David Robinson, fortunately Tim Duncan was on the same team as Robinson, but had they been on different teams Robinson would not have just yeilded to him.
Then of course Iverson, Kobe and even Shaq eventually pushed Jordan and the tradition goes on and on.
Now we have Lebron James pushing Kobe. Chris Paul and Deron Williams and of course Dwayne Wade. Dwight Howard will soon overtake both Shaq and Duncan if he has not already and again we hear Shaq talking but he knows that Dwight will overtake him.
Now we have Derrick Rose, Ben Gordon, O J Mayo, Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant on the heels of the stars now and it will be fun to see them mature and challenge the big boys….even Beasly and Lopez.
Vince Carter and Tracy Mcgrady both are suns setting but they won’t just roll over for the new guys…they all….including Rose will have to man up to overtake them. It was a very good game for Derrick Rose to learn from and it will motivate him this summer. He will say that one day I will be better than Dwayne Wade. He admires Lebron now and I am sure he will pattern himself after Lebron.
Rose had a sloppy game but I know the day will come when we will see mastery from him from game to game as we saw in Wade tonight, so the loss was bittersweet to me. Rose has to learn to play through bad refereeing. This kind of shit happens in the playoffs too and I know maybe next year Rose gets the calls he is not getting this year.
by Bart71 on Mar 10, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree with you, Bart71 but let's make the playoffs first before he completely turn the keys over to Derrick.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be a first step. Rose needs to translate raw talent into a baskeball god... and he
can do it, but it is going to take time and intense desire from Rose to do so and I think the drive is there. Vinny of course is a douche and Pax shoud be ashamed of himself that he did not hire a TEACHER as a coach for Derrick Rose and really all of the Bulls Players…that is the least thae Pax and Reinsdorf can do.
Tyrus Thomas needs a tough love coach that will stay in his ass about his bonehead plays and develop his skills. Tyrus Thomas could be like a Shawn Marion on our team if he had the right teacher. That is how I see him. He can do a little of everything good and not one thing great like Marion. This is a young team and it needs veteran players and a veteran coach not a damn experiment. Vinny shoud be a damn water boy somewhere fetching towels and gatorade.
The Bulls are going nowhere as long as Vinny is the coach….now with that being said…I hope Vinny proves me wrong but I doubt it.
I would say the playoffs is the second step...winning the skills challenge was helpful to Rose
because he performed on a big stage…no not as big as the All Star game, but I do not think anyone thought he would win the skills challenge and the way he ended it with the dunk left people wanting more from him which is good. He will get star treatment next year. Rose needs to get out of the layup mentality and look to DUNK IT EVERYTIME he gets close to the rim. If he does that he will get the foul call or he will dunk over someone.
This is where Vinny comes in. If Rose has a chance to dunk it especially because a dunk timed right can change the momentum of a game then Rose needs to use it. He has the body and he can take the punishment. He should go to the weight room and look to get over 200 pounds and along with dunking, he should also POST UP as much as possible any little guard on him and jump over them. This creates matchup problems and will even cause opposing teams to put their Shooting Guard on him especially if Ben Gordon is still on the team next year to get him out of the post. Rose is faster than any of the shooting guards that they would put on him. But this is a start and it takes good coaching to see and use that talent to the fullest…not wasting one drop of it.
Wade made his statement
especially when he won the game and jumped on the scores table saying “This is my house”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Wow, Derrick Rose had a bad game but he had 23, 9 rebounds and 3 assist
Did you ever think as many shots Gordon put up how hard it would be to get assist. Some people need not to be fans anymore for saying dumb shit like that.
If one guys scoring a lot.
Then that should help Rose’s assist numbers, right? Better than if Gordon missed a bunch of shots.
2 of Rose’s 3 assists were to Gordon.
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Oh, Gordon took 25 shots or so in a game's worth of minutes
BALLHOG!
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"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
DRose's +/- vs Kirk has everything to do with defense....
At this point, Kirk is a much better defender than DRose. Opposing teams (including the Heat), frequently put DRose in pick/roll situations (which he doesn’t defend well) and end up getting good shots out of it. With DRose’s size, speed, and quickness, there’s no reason why he can’t be among the best defenders in the league. In fact, I see no reason why he can’t be Gary Payton good. He just isn’t there at this point, and I admit that will be a huge ? going into next season.
As for his offense, I’m not worried one bit. He’s a college sophmore trying to play point guard in the NBA. As has been mentioned, this season is about the growing pains as painful as they might be. I maintain that point guard is the hardest position for a high schooler/1-yr college player to transition in the NBA.
You just said it yourself, growing pains
You can’t expect him to be a lockdown defender on the best players in the world. His D will be fine, it shouldn’t have to be a question going into next year. Next year just like people thought Wade wouldn’t return back to his days before the injury, Rose will definately be a top player in the league next year. He is a ROOKIE doing this shit!
Kirk might always be a better defender than Rose, but Rose is the better player...
He is something on offense and adding pressure on that end, and I think he’ll improve defensively, but maybe not quite to kirk levels on that end….
c'mon...
Rose should not be shooting the ball 25 times a game? Anybody that can get to the basket at will should shoot at least 25 times a game. I have noticed he has started shooting more since the all star break and I love it!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Mar 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
and Wade is Amazing
Chi Town product of course!
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Mar 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Your name scares me.
Your points don’t, but … eek.
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The problem isn't so much the shots, but the fact he shot 43.0 TS%
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when rose is on the court the Bulls are able to play an uptempo style
they fast break, they get into the lane, they move the ball. I’m sorry Rose had a poor shooting, poor assist night. I wasn’t aware rookies weren’t allowed to have tough games. Lets forget all the huge plays he made in the 4th, and concentrate on a city plus minus stat. I mean if Kirk was out there in the double OT, i’m pretty sure Miami wouldn’t have scored. I wondered how long it would take some fans to turn against Rose. 3/4 of a season, check
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade went the whole game without a foul called against him.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I just watched the ESPN highlights.
Gordon didn’t make a single shot in them….
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indeed
wade was scoring for both teams, thats why it went into double overtime, wade couldnt let wade win…..
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? Because the ones I just saw had an entire BG segment for the 4th quarter
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
These are the ones I'm talking about.
http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290309014
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the reffing in this game was atrocious
just putrid. Probably the most blaring bad call i’ve seen all season was when Rose went up for a layup in the 4th quarter (?), Haslem fell, and Rose got called for a charge. Haslem’s heels were clearly in the restricted area. Awful.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
what I don't get is the ref is standing 5 feet away yet somehow "misses" that call. really?
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That was at least the second
if not the 3rd Haslem charge while half of Haslem’s feet were in the circle…..I know at least 2 in the 2nd half/overtimes and I thought one early on.
i remember seeing 3
i also missed part of the 1st overtime and most of the 2nd though. the first time he took a charge he was outside it. the 2nd time i thought his heel was on the line. and the 3rd one he was so far in the circle you didn’t even need replays it was that obvious.
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you can't blame this loss on the refs
…c’mon now. Perhaps VDN will work on a little thing called help side defense in practice.
Vinny...you look confused
by Knowledge32 on Mar 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
WHAT REFFING
-This was the worst officiated game i’ve seen in some time! But that’s the league, just like baseball there are different strike zones, there are different calls for superstars! Hopefully D Rose will begin to get said calls in the near future!
...and
the henny dont help
=/
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
we signed luther head?
hmmmm, BG had 43. He is short.
Derrick Rose got Freakin Skillz. When are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 AM CDT reply actions
The Heat signed Luther Head
I’d take him over Hinrich any day though.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Head is *not* from Iowa. ;)
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions
how about my fellow filipino miami heat head coach eric spoelstra, huh..
he is doin a good job.. i would love the bulls even more if he was our coach (coz he is bettah than the 3 lettered coach) .. hehe
Derrick Rose got Freakin Skillz. When are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Mar 10, 2009 5:13 AM CDT reply actions
What?
Spoelstra has Wade, enough said. He wouldn’t be doing any better job than us (likely worse than us) with our team, and Eric came in with 4-5 years of on the bench knowledge with the team…..and it’s main star.
Cmon give him more credit than that.
He’s known everywhere as the epitome of a players coach and he actually calls plays earns his paycheck. Spoelstra takes shits that are better coaches than Vinny.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He
Basically kept his starting PG out too long……and it’s easiler to be a players coach when you’ve befriended a superstar/best player in the league from the time he was a rookie, back when you were a trainer for the club.
All I’m saying is add him to the Bulls, and I think we’d be just as disappointed if not more so than we are wtih VDN. I think comparing the 2 is a bit unfair….Vinny to his credit isn’t doing a god awful job, I think yesterday proved we can compete in a playoff atmosphere…..
You're totally right about Chalmers
that was pretty bad. Although did you see Quinn driving on us? How he got all the way to the rim from a half court set is truly amazing…
I still think Sopelstra’s a way better coach from Vinny, since he has spent time studying under good coaches like SVG and Rile, where as Vinny….played a lot of golf?
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
BTW Spoelstra
is also known as an amazing scout whose father is an NBA exec in Portland, so he’s been around the business for basically his entire life. He’s very much an “attention to detail” kind of coach and one who has a very solid work ethic. I would much, much rather have him than Vinny.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/11/hard_work_takes_erik_spoelstra.html
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
VDN
Played in the league for 13 years or whatever….Spoelstra, not so much.
It’s been easier for Eric because he’s been on the bench with the superstar for 5 years and Riley hasn’t really allowed a mismatched roster to stay around, like Pax did with the Bulls…..
I just think the grass is always greener when comparing these 2….Eric wouldn’t do much better in year 1 than Vinny has in my book.
Vinny picked up a former playoff team, that was one of the best teams in the East
Who just had one disappointing season, but added the #1 overall pick, and has them below .500. Vinny really sucks. I think Spoelstra would be doing better with us than VDN is.
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What?
We were a 33 win team that had lost all our mojo and had a more mixmatched roster…than ever and were in desperate need of a trade or two in October or earlier….
Too many guards, too little spots, too much reliance on 2 young bigs, 1 of which wasn’t on our last playoff team, and the other was as we saw extremely raw still coming into this year (And while Tyrus did perform well the 2nd half of his rookie year, he wasn’t a pivotol 4 then to the team thanks to PJ, he was askled to be much more of a player last year and failed early and was doing the same early this year (though Tyrus fans like me still saw the upside).
We most definitely were not a top team in the East coming into this year, didn’t last year prove anything, we overperformed what we should have been last year to win 33 games…I think we should ahve been in the upper 20’s….
This team was a complete mess and a joke with locker room issues and off court issues the reigning vibe of the Bulls coming into this year.
The "played in the league" argument has some validity
but what’s the percent of players who actually become coaches? 1% maybe? And from there how many are considered “good” coaches? I’d like to actually know these stats…Scotter!
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
did you see that play spoelstra called that should have finished the game?
vdn has no creativity, and his idea of a last second play is to allow a player to dribble at the top and then try to drive and hope something good happens. spoelstra is light years ahead of vdn and it has less to do with wade than you’d like to believe.
What?
Wade can do whatever he wants on the court in any game. Did you even watch those finals a couple of years ago when Wade did it all against the Mavs and blogabulls favorite coach Avery Johnson did nothing. Flash forward to now and Wade’s even better…..sometimes you just can’t stop the great ones.
Vinny might have had more options had we had a healthy Kirk, but a 7 man rotation going, we did pretty well…..coaching had little to do with it.
Put Spoelstra on our team to start this year and guess what, we wouldn’t be any better…much as big fans (myself included) would hope. Paxson basically cost us the first 60% of this year by not making the necessary trade…..now we’ve made the trade but haven’t had too much time to implement the new guys….
It’s fine though, I hope this game gives us some confidence/carries over. Best Bulls game in at least 2 full seasons if not longer. I was completely into that one….
if you want to be the Vinny defender, fine.
and maybe you’re right, Vinny’s maximizing what can be done with this roster.
But from what I can gather, at least Spoelstra took a better path to his current position, and certainly looks like he knows what he’s doing out there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
He took a better path, getting the trainer and then assistant gig first….but that’s hardly Vinny’s fault.
It’s easier to look like you know what you’re doing when you have the best player in the league on your side…..Wade also for obvious reasons would help in setting up those plays, etc….
he looks like he's coaching
plenty of articles about the plays, the system and how rigorous it is. Wade’s a nice bail-out but they look like an actual team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 11, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on the calls end
Salmons was hacked, hacked hacked hacked hacked and did I mention hacked. BG never gets those calls, Derrick at some point will get those calls more than likely….
But on the bright side we definitely looked like a playoff team, Miami looked completely different and much much better post Marion…..as they played their butts off yesterday.
I really wanted a win for our confidence, hopefully this tough loss doesn’t ruin it. If we won, I think we’d be in the playoffs for sure…..now it’s unfortunately all on the next game after a few bogus calls helped keep the Heat in this one (And a ridiculous Wade performance calls notwithstanding, he was hitting his freaking 3’s, a under 30% shooter from there, was hitting them….ridiculous).
Wade folks is easily the best player in the NBA, and really should be the MVP.
yeah salmon did get fouled
but when he went to his left hand he should have never but the ball out like he did. Wade was waiting for it; must be something that Salmons does often. A couple of plays before that one the announcers where talking about how Wade dribbles with his head up. Then we see Salmons start dribbling with his head down….. I was like “oh oh”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Well for how great Wade is
And he clearly in my mind has been the best player in the world the last 2 years where he’s been healthy (the finals year, and then this year starting with the Olympics) he does have one fault, he is and always has been turnover prone.
Stacey kept pointing out that he constantly takes chances on D, and true he always has, yet his risks more often than not beat the odds and he is very effective on D, especially of late….
All the b.s. about Kobe and Lebron is ridiculous, Wade is the best player in the league and he proved it yet again. I mean he was unconcious. I know some fouls went his way (a lot did maybe) but he still had to hit those shots and take the chances he got. MJ used to get that same treatment……and MJ always performed….
did wade even have a foul?
i dont remember them whistling him at all.
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Nope, 0 fouls.
He never fouls anybody!
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No one should be allowed to bring up MJ when discussing today's top players...
I know MJ used to get a lot of calls, but if they had the no hand checking rule in effect when he played….he would have easily cleared 40+/game with a rediculous TS%. Can you imagine Wade making it through an entire game (forget a season) against the Bad Boys (Pistons) or early 90s Knicks?
I agree with that point
But you also have to note on the other end, Michael the hand-checker (and Scottie, my fave player ever) forced a lot of steals to get the points he got.
MJ’s the best ever, but Wade and Kobe and LBJ are definitely nipping into that class.
yea
that performance was very “jordan” worthy last night….it was amazing. If i didnt know who d-wade was, and i just saw that game, i would think he was as good or better than jordan…it was that good. IT was better than any 81pt game, d-wade impacted every facet of the game. Steals, points, assists, close range dunks, circus shots, long range bombers that seem impossible, in traffic , a block even…..it was the most complete game any player this year has put up, maybe the most complete game an individual has put up since Jordan, no doubt, that game was intense
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad it was against the Bulls
and not against a team that mattered. Like Cleavland or Boston or Orlando. Did anyone get that excited when the old school Bulls beat a depleted, struggling team? Did Jordan jump on the table and get excited for something as stupid as that? It wasn’t impressive. Sorry. If anything it was a testament to how bad they are. They were given every advantage and it took them that much time and effort to put a team like the Bulls away.
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Jordan wouldn't have missed the FTs at the end of reg.
or the layup at the end of the 1st OT. But Wade did look awesome last night, I’ll give him that much credit. Did he get a few too many fouls called in his favor? Yes. Did he commit a few fouls that he should’ve been called for? Sure. But that’s the breaks in this league, Rose and TT should know that much and strive to one day hope to get the calls Wade gets.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Calls were still bullshit, in that the bad ones mostly went to the Heat.
VDN should have got ejected then blasted the officials in the post game. Yeah, he would get a big fine, but the media attention would force better officiating in the future – a lesson Phil Jackson taught us.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They did not have flagrant fouls and automatic suspensions back then.
The hits Wade takes are nothing compared to the way MJ got bodied up almost every game.
Can you imagine Wade making it through an entire game (forget a season) against the Bad Boys (Pistons) or early 90s Knicks?
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions
It was hard seeing this lost
But the refs should of called atleast two fouls on those Wade steals. Rose was fouled going to the whole a few times and so was Gordon. We would beat them in a playoff series. And we were sort of short handed. I think his game was goood for Rose, Paul coming up soon too. I think we will see a better Rose in the near future. Good but bad loss
I guess I'll bring it up, since it has failed to be mentioned...
…WHY did Ben not even sniff the ball at the end of regulation at and the end of the 2nd OT?
I somewhat disagree with Stacey’s call that Moon did not leave Ben. Moon did start to slide toward the basket (though not completely), in an attempt to help on Rose’s drive. That would’ve been a perfect opportunity to just flip the ball back to Ben for the shot. Ben only needs a fraction of an inch anyway.
Then in the 2nd OT, Ben was confined to the same damn corner once again. Is there some unwritten team rule that says that Ben must stand in the corner at the end of games and not be involved at all??
I just don’t get it. The man nets 43 points on amazing shot after amazing shot, and twice he fails to even sniff the ball, let alone shoot it, on two game ending scenarios. This is completely baffling. I have to sit there and watch Salmons get stripped when the guy who brought us back and who was the only reason we were still in the game does not even get to see the ball. I absolutely hate our coaching staff. A bunch of prime idiots.
Vinny and his staff must go.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He was coming off screens both plays
especially that last shot when salmons was stripped, gordon was coming off the curl, no one froze out gordon i swear……
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
VDN froze him out
…on the end of regulation play, he was not coming off a screen. He was camped in the corner and once Rose drove toward the basket, Ben just started floating out to the top of the key. No screen in sight.
On the end of 2nd OT play, Ben was camped in the corner the whole time.
What game were you watching? When Salmons was stripped Ben was nowhere to be found in the picture.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
actually Wade was guarding BG and came over to help when Salmons made his move
i don’t think the play was called for BG however. It was clear that VDN had one of his brilliant ideas about match ups and wanted to take advantage of the guy guarding Salmons.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
In a Trib article
Salmons says he was waiting for a clear out right before the steal. Looks like he was going to take the shot himself then.
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drive and kick i suppose
but it really looked like rose shouldve had that layup, and as my brother noted, if he were d-wade he wouldve gone to the line….he was hit on that last drive and put up a shot that ended up being too strong, i think the play was designed to be a drive and kick, and hasnt this argument been around before, that drose should be in games even if he is sucking, he should take hte last shots just so he can develop, he should be treated like our center piece…..i didnt see anything wrong with that play. In overtime, they did try to run things for gordon that involved screens……i thought vdn did his best coaching of the year last night…
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by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
who said anything about Rose being out of the game?
My argument is that the team’s best scorer, best shooter, the man who willed you back INTO the game on his own should at the very least be able to TOUCH the ball on the last possession. You don’t think that’s reasonable?
I totally disagree about VDN. It wasn’t his worst performance, no. However, we were even lucky to go into the overtimes. There were zero plays called. Almost everything was strickly ISO and P&R.
And again, no screens were set for Gordon. You need to go online and look at those plays again. I’ve seen them over and over since last night. If you see a screen set for Gordon please point it out.
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Only if you promise i can use stacey kings telestrator :)
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yes you can
…as long as you don’t say “ok, roll it” or “now freeze it!”
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damn...theres no point then
i saw the highlight…and you were right, last play, no screen for gordon, i will now join the fuck vdn group….
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by piccolomair on Mar 11, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
ha!
I win…I win….uhhh now what? Oh yeah, fuck VDN…
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 11, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Only Matt
could put some “its not Bg’s fault we lost,” spin on it. Dude wake up, if BG hits both his free throws we WIN. Thats it game over, nough said…
Wake up spinster…
By the way the REFS blew chunks last night..
Dude
Not only was BG 14-23 on the floor, but he was 7 of 8 from the FT line….
Looks like D. Wade didnt’ really stop him either, and BG didn’t get the calls.
You are nitpickign my friend….
Im not
nitpicking just pointing out the obvious. His ft cost the Bulls the game. Anything that happened before that isnt the point. All those 3 pointers were for nothing since he missed the only shot that wouldve made a difference.
BG has been quoted as saying the same about himself,
that all of his points didn’t matter in the end. The reality is that missed defensive opportunities and easy points by a number of our guys were the main things we did to hurt ourselves. The Heat and the refs did their part, but we did the rest. There was still time on the clock after Gordon missed one free throw and plenty of time for someone to man up on the defensive end or call a good play on the offensive end or at least use the foul we had to give, Vinny. The game was lost a 100 different ways.
Truth is there are only a couple guys on our team willing to take the flack for trying to win. Gordon and Rose mainly. Put yourself in a position of changing the game and you get burned when it doesn’t work out. Decide to be a non-factor like many players do and you avoid any direct blame and skate through your career. I’d prefer Rose or Gordon any day over that.
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by cranscape on Mar 10, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post
and thats kind of my point. BG knows all those million 3’s were for nothing. The one shot he knew he had to make that wouldve most likely iced the game, he missed. I give him props for owning up.
Fuck you
and your ignorance.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
seroiusly
im not the biggest BG fan, but he was the one who brought us to 2 overtimes. 4 threes in a row really adds up. the man had himself a great game. wade gets paid and he missed 2 freethrows. they all played a lot of minutes, people get tired man…
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He scored the ball
really well. I was proud of him until he missed the most important shot of the game.
Dude, *ALL* free throws count for one point.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions
did you not see
Noah miss free throws, Wade miss free throws, BG hit like 1 million threes? If any one of those things changes, so does the outcome. Do everyone a favor a just be quiet…
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right
or if say, rose gets FTs on the bad charge call against him instead of losing possession, and he makes even one…
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granted
alot of things shouldve, couldve, wouldve but lets face it the game is iced if ben the 3 point shooting specialist 9who hit a million 3’s) hits both this free throws.
The game is probably also iced
if we give the ball to him at the end of one of the freaking overtime periods.
He missed ONE free throw, and pointing that out sounds like you’re blaming him for this loss. He was not only the only reason we were in the game, but was also the reason we were in such a good position to win. [But them he didn’t get the ball, which was great.]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Im not blaming
him for the loss, but the facts are the facts. The 1 free throw that wouldve iced the dam game he missed. If you wanna defend him cause he had a great game then so be it and if you wanna look at the glass half full go ahead but ill stick to the facts. His ft cost us the game period. I dont care if he hit 1 million 3’s,
you don't care
because you don’t have the mental capacity to.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But it's true
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It is true.
By this logic, you’re saying that if BG scored all of our points on perfect shooting and our other players missed all of their shots, and then BG missed a shot, THE LOSS IS BG’S FAULT.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Noah
Is not the best free throw shooter I think thats pretty obvious. Bg can hit a million threes but cant hit 2 free throws. Good point man maybe i should just shut up.
But he can hit 7 of 8 FT's for 87.5%...
And be killer on the 3 pt line….
Looks like he can hit FT’s….
Jordan hit 83.5% free throws for his career.
Imagine if he had hit 100% (the standard Ben Gordon is being held to)!!!
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Please do.
Good point man maybe i should just shut up.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude.
your profile picture is a freaking dog.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why do you hate Gordon so much?
He’s averaging 20.9 PPG on 57.9 TS%, has a 17.4 PER, and 5.7 WS, which leads the team.
Seems like the kind of guy who is really helping his team.
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I dont hate him
Yes he has major holes in his game but i dont hate him. What I hate is how Matt defends him and treats him like royalty. In his eyes Bg never does anything wrong.
What are you?
14? You haven’t added one intelligent thing to this conversation. You haven’t answered to anything that has been brought up aside form “yeah… but he still missed the most important shot in the game!”
Get off Matt’s nuts and shut the hell up. We know what your point is and we don’t agree or care. So until you bring something new to the table that people haven’t already disproved with the stats STFU.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hate
the spin. Salmons, BG, Rose, Noah can all be blamed for last nights loss. Does it say in the recap anywhere how if BG makes both his ft’s we win?
Well to be fair, BG is not a 100% FT shooter
so he’s going to miss a couple every now and then. Was that bad timing? Sure. But in reality, Ben his 7-8 from the FT line which is slightly up from his .864 season avg. which puts him in the top 25 in the NBA. He’s really sorry you didn’t think he was good enough, and promises to practice harder in the future.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Ben was 7-8*
Either way dude Majoy said it too, you should probably let this poor argument go.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure you're not LOTP reincarnated?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if he had missed a 3 pointer earlier, the shot wouldn't have been important.
I just wonder how people are so damn stupid.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
This guy just won't quit
I hope Matt’s taken off the protective glass encasing the “ban button” as we speak…
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i was thinking
there needed to be a ban in response to last night’s loss…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Ha...good call.
At least a warning…“You sir, are being an idiot. Step away from the computer and cease your retarded train of thought. BaB thanks you for your patience” Something along those lines…
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Quit what
thinking what i want to think? You got your opinion i got mine. You wanna ban me for that than so be it. Were all Bulls fans here. I just want to read a game cap and not feel like one of the major factors for us loosing the night before doesnt go unmentioned because the writers man crush.
quit trying to think
it’s hurting you, and the rest of us.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Quit being stupid,
and we’ll stop disagreeing with you.
There’s a big difference between ‘not being a fervent BG supporter’ and ‘trying to insinuate that the one person who made the game anywhere near close is the reason we lost’.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
If he missed a 3
earlier than this convo is all about nothing but he didnt he made it (great job) sadly it wasnt one that wouldve most likely meant a W.
It's like experiencing a mental brain freeze trying to understand
your points, assuming you still have one. Just to be clear – you’re still saying that the entire game was decided on one Ben Gordon missed free throw? Correct me if I’m wrong…
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Flagged. You're a troll.
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by Illini15 on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged him as well.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I just flagged you again
for your utter stupidity.
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just stop responding to him
he’s just trolling and by responding to him you (collectively, not you in particular) are only feeding into him. i already flagged him.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Did you just call me a troll
Comming from the leader of the Capt. Kirk team! Please. Get a clue. Im entitled to my opinion if you dont like it move on.
well, not entirely entitled
I mean, you’re entitled to scream it to yourself in the dark…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
to yourself
means not here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
and yes, i did just call you a troll, because you are one.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Ok
Ive been posting comments on this board for over a year now and because i say one thing that appearantly you dont like makes me a troll? Seriously you are clueless.
you are trolling now, even if you aren't always a troll
posting the same stupid thing over and over is trolling.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
and yes, i recognize you
i’ve been on this board longer than you have. but you apparently don’t recognize me since you called me the leader of the kirk fanclub, of which i certainly am not even a member.
i don’t care what you’ve done in the past, but your actions indicate you are trolling right now because you are just repeating yourself and not adding anything meaningful to this conversation.
i don’t care if your opinion is different from me, i’ve had other disagreements with people on here where i didn’t think the other person was trolling and we were just having a discussion. i’m willing to listen to reasonable arguments but repeating “ben’s missed free throw was the only thing that caused us to lose the game” over and over with no backup doesn’t constitute reasonable proof of your point.
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by Jaina on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly couldn't have said it better
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Im responding to people
who have issues with what im saying. So talking to people is trolling. Good to know!
I'm done now
just wanted to hear him say it one more time so I could be safe in my assumption that he has no clue what he’s talking about. This is the exact reason I don’t talk to kneejerk “casual” fans, especially those who also are unfortunate enough to be Cubs fans.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Great
thats one less uninformed person i have to deal with.
Just to clarify im saying the outcome of the game was more or less decided on the missed BG ft at the end of the game. If he makes it we’re up 4 points with 20 seconds left on the clock. Miami w/o any time outs and a foul to give would pretty much iced it. Was it a lock for us to win no but it pretty much wouldve been a forgone conclusion. Im not saying there werent other factors to us loosing because there were plenty. Bg’s just happened to cost us the W IMO.
You can't blame the game on a guy that scores over 40 points.
Our best player had his best game of the season. Unfortunately so did Miami’s best player. Too bad Wade’s game was better.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
I agree
and again i think there were many reasons we lost last night (most in the recap, mostly the officiating but i cant help but think if Bg hits those fts we win. i wouldve liked for someone to acknowledge that. Namely Matt
Why
So rude? This is crazy. All this hate for what.
Can you all honestly say that last night when you were watching the game and you saw Bg miss that ft you didnt think we were screwed?
Well, the game went to two overtimes after it,
so we obviously had other chances to win the game, you know.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Can we please get a "He Gone!"
when you ban him? Even the Cubs fans would laugh at that. (last Cubs/Sox ref. for the day I promise!)
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
why would i get banned? Ive done nothing wrong but bring up a very valid point. If you think its stupid then so be it but to ban me for it? Get real…
1 post on it is stupid
100 ill-conceived, annoying, and overall just ignorant posts should get you banned IMO. So keep it up I guess…
Oh and you’re point is not valid at all, which is really why I’m still arguing with you.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 He's right
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats
were your all wrong, im not on here to argue, thats what youve all brought me too! I just stated my opinion. Guess your troll not me.
What is wrong with you?
You have said the same thing more than enough times! He is not a troll for responding to you once, but if he says the same thing 5+ times he is a troll. You said your opinion once and if you want to debate or argue then say something different! Not the same thing. You continue to prove how small of a mind you have every time you speak and everytime you give a childish response (“Guess your the troll not me”) and don’t actually respond to the person. You are so stupid.. it honestly astonishes me.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You're officially the stupidest poster this blog has ever seen
And that’s saying quite a lot. Congrats, dummy!
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He got banned last week
but if we’re going for the Mount Rushmore of stupid commenters, both of them deserve to be on it.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i know LOTP is ogne
but i was just wondering if this guy was truly stupider. after all he’s been on this board a year and hasn’t pissed us off until now.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
guy?
just shut the fuck up already.
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by Jaina on Mar 10, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do us all a favor
and you shut up. Youve added nothing about the Bulls. The only thing youve brought to this convo is your knowledge of trolls!
Can you ever have an intelligent response?
You just respond with the same thing the other person said like my 10 yo nephew. He was talking to someone else and you intruded on his conversation.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Please forgive me.
I forget that you are one of the awesome women fans in our midst. I still get everyone’s handles confused.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
it was just funny
because the comment above where he called me a guy is what i finally told him to fuck off over. i don’t care that much, tbh, but i will point it out. :)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
LOTP's problem
was that he’d repeat himself in like 50 different places, usually without any reason.
I can’t get too upset at Bulls4Ever just being on the dumbass side of a single argument. It happens. I can still rip on him though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm only annoyed because he's trolling right now
as i pointed out, obviously he’s been on here a year without being at least too much of a moron.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
But now im a troll
because i said one of the leading factors in us loosing last night was bg missing a ft.
well troll me away..
it's not because you said it.
it’s because you said it OVER AND OVER
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
not to mention
there was no intelligence to any of the posts. Just “BG missed 2 free throws.” Yeah well, so did a lot of guys.
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hey troll
it was bg missed a key ft that IMO wouldve likely iced the game. if you want to argue that point then fine but dont just sit here and troll or Jaina will have you banned.
Wade missed free throws
and they won.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Good point!
Only he won though. Bg lost.
So Bg’s miss had alot more to do with the outcome.
If we won would bg’s miss even be brought up? No
We lost and his missed ft likely helped in determining that.
Just randomly calling other peoiple trolls
is out of line. Seriously, fuck off.
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by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't understand what a troll is
since he clearly doesn’t understand why his behavior qualifies as trolling.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
You're right.
Ben missing that free throw was bad.
Here’s what I wrote in my game recap: “With the Bulls up by 2, Ben Gordon gets to the free throw line and missed the first free throw. He made the second, to put the Bulls up three. This is probably Gordon’s first clutch free throw miss of his career, and this one definitely hurt. If he made the free throws, the Bulls would have won in regulation, simple as that. You have to make your free throws in the clutch.”
But you’re not putting it in perspective that Ben was huge, scoring the Bulls last 15 points of regulation, and again making a big three to help us get into the second overtime.
Same thing with Salmons. I’m mad that the ball was in his hands and not Ben’s at the end of the game, and mad he turned it over. He didn’t have that good of a game as a whole (low TS%), but he hit some points at crucial moments in the game as being bad.
You’re problem isn’t that your point isn’t correct. The problem is it lacks perspective and you’ve written it like 50 times in this thread.
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Ive had to cause im getting slammed
by every troll on this board. Im not trying to repeat myself 50 times. Im explaining it to 50 different tools. Its not my fault.
wow
the lack of intelligence on your part is just too much for me. Do us a favor and click on the little black “x” in the upper right-hand corner.
Then go kill yourself.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
in a back handed sort of way. I dont like how Matt has a man crush on BG so thats why i rip on him. I guess were all just a bunch of trolls.
Hey speak for yourself
And btw he just called you a dumbass…and you thank him? Also, I really have yet to see this “man crush” on BG from yfbb. If by man crush you mean accurate assessment then, by all means, go enjoy another pb&j with the crusts cut off before it’s time for the short bus comes to take you home for the day.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Gah...
all this nonsense is making me dumber.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't like PB&J
that’s Gordon’s sandwich!
There may be a little reverse-reverse-reverse-backlash bias in my overall opinion of Gordon. But I don’t owe it to ‘accuracy’ to single out a missed free-throw, that’s just dumbassery.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
When that missed ft
is a MAJOR factor in us loosing a game i think you owe it to your cult to be honest.
well I hope you take it so personally
that you leave. But you don’t have to.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
you're only here as long as I let you be here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you Matt
What kind of host would you be if you threw out every poster who didnt agree with you.
This place is hardly a cult buddy
If we were in a bar this is the point where I’d call you a jackass and go find somewhere else to sit. I think I’ll do that in the virtual sense now.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I know right?
You’d think when someone is clearly overmatched both mentally and argumenatively they’d back down…not this guy.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
argumentatively*
We going to need an overflow thread for this one argument or what? Sheesh I almost want to go do some work..
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
naaahhh
it wasn’t major. There was so many other things that went wrong. BG walking was huge. Salmons handling the ball was big. The plays called were pretty bad. So yeah the Free throws is so down the list.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
that is known from Wade
and the refs will look the other way. You have to play around that because there is really nothing they can do about that by waiting on the refs. Better ball movement would stop that. Also after BGs free throws the biggest thing was that we didn’t play good D because we were still up by three.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I know right!
Salmons just watched him put that shot up. He probably thought Wade would jump into him if he contested it.
I still cant believe Wade blew that lay up.
here you go
a Bulls blog that mentioned it. It’s the whole story, facts are facts, cult of personality, culture club, etc.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
and Andrew's blog
http://dabullz.com/2009/03/09/miami-heat-130-vs-chicago-bulls-127/
The point is, there are so many awesome blogs that you should definitely be a part of instead of this one. You’re really cheating yourself here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
you should totally go to other less-slanted blogs. That’s the problem with having a cult, there’s nothing I can do that sends them away!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you be part of the BaB cult if you're a Kings fan?
If so, I don’t want to be. I just want to know for future reference.
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yfBB is right
(presumed cult-follower response)
you should either find a less-obviously-biased blog or start one yourself.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
bicthassness
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- fundamentallysound
Not saying all Cubs fans are ignorant tards...
just 99% of them.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think you secured your "stupidest human of the day" award with this:
Sox fan’s suck!
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If you still can't see the mistake in that claim,
you really are a complete moron. If you’re so internet-savvy go to google and type in “possessive nouns”. Prepare to be blown away.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
any cubs/sox talk
is considered trolling here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I was replying to that guy
now go throw your keyboard in the fireplace.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apologies.
I had a gut feeling this is the type of jerk that makes going out to bars in Wrigleyville a total nightmare, I just had to confirm it.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I was apologizing for the previous post. Didn't even mention
baseball, I mentioned the area. I’m done arguing w/ you man, have fun with the rest of them though.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't there still 20 seconds left?
or when the Bulls go up four they sound the horn and blow up the stadium to make sure there’s no comeback.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
you can squeeze in more than one posession in 20 seconds
facts ARE facts!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a great game last night
everyone on the bulls contributed positively for the most part. and as everyone said derrick got hacked, BG got hacked, salmons got hacked, with no calls. there was twice when wade drove the ball and the whistle blew before he got any contact. and its like the words reach in fouls dont exist with mr. wade. then there was the time late when tyrus blocked beasly i think and rose got the rebound and was pretty much at the half court line, when a late whistle for 24 violation on miami came up, easily taking away 2 points for rose. and my personal favorite, which caused me to break my remote as i slammed it to the ground; was the offensive foul call on rose late when the guy was clearly in the restricted area. all in i loved how we fought the entire game. and am very confused to know if vinny’s plan was for salmons to close out or thats just the way it worked out. i hope this game doesnt destory any kind of spirit left in these guys though and hopefully just take it to the magic. vinny’s job is key today, cause he needs to reel them back from the way the game ended last night. clearly the difference between a superstar and no superstars was shown yesterday. and i hope that next year when rose gets better and vinny gets gone, we will be doing this to other teams.
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i had totally forgotten about the 24 second thing
that was ridiculous too. tyrus clearly had possession before that stupid buzzer went off.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah
I forgot about it too.
Wish Tyrus had more on O yesterday (where he looked lost) but his D was decent….it’s just that Noah was yesterday more effective at the 4 spot…..hope that doesn’t continue as Tyrus is our secret weapon when he’s on his game and not forcing his globetrottering….
when he came back and put up that jumper in the last minutes
what words came out of ur mouth…. i dont even remember what i screamed. but ofcourse he shuts me up with that put back dunk after the rose miss.
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
Yeah
There were a few times where I’m like TYRUS NOOOO….he hasn’t been doing that quite as much of late, but yesterday….he was running like a train wreck at the absolute worst time (he has his train wreck moments every other game, but typically when we have a 13-15 pt lead, just to make things a bit more interesting)….
But yeah Tyrus’s D was good, I just wish he didn’t continually force his O at completely unnecessary times….
I also wish that one play towards the middle of the 4th, where Wade had that breakaway dunk beating Rose on the left side of the key all the way to the hoop that Vinny didn’t call that timeout right then, because BG was answering when the whistle blew and called that play off…
he was totally rattled by the shitty officiating
couldn’t blame him but he really let it get to him.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
yeah
he had a clean block he was called for a foul on, and then was elbowed in the head by beasley and called for the foul there too, which is when he finally exploded.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
true
but there were also 1 or 2 offensive fouls on him that were just dumb.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
perhaps
i tend to think most of the charges called on him are legit… he comes in like a freight train and can’t stop.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
exactly
that’s what I meant…they were “dumb” on his part. Dude has to learn to control himself.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
ahh
wasn’t sure whether you were calling the calls on him dumb since we were talking about how poor the refs were.
but yes, tyrus does get out of control sometimes. and was rightfully benched for the behavior cause he was doing no one any favors, though i certainly understand why he was so frustrated.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i was glad somebody exploded
good to see aaron gray get sum camera time, trying to hold Tyrus back
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it was twice
they thre it to tyrus the first time, which would be a steal. i dont know how if u catch a ball, its considered not having possesion.
the one i was talking about was when tyrus was put in at the end, he blocked beasly and the ball rocekted to rose who drove the ball up court, but they blew the whistle after rose had the ball…
it was just retarded all the way.
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
Worst officiated game I have watched all season...
This game should have never gone into OT. That charge call on Rose when BOTH haslems feet were in the circle and then the ball that went out of bounds they called off of Salmons when anyone with proper vision could see it was off the Heat. This changed the game. What was with the calls that were so late that a play had already formed on the other side of the court then you hear a whistle? Worst refs ever.
Was Vinny getting back at Pax for calling him out in the media by leaving Rose in there, but not giving him the ball? Everyone knows it should have been Rose or maybe even Gordon with the way he was shooting that had the ball for the final seconds. Vinny needs to be fired. He has single handedly lost 4-5 games for us this season and you could probably count many more with his line-up debacles the first quarter of the season.
by i_like_turtles on Mar 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
The best part of the officiating.
Was Ben’s three after the shotclock broke.
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They tried to get BG the ball but the Heat defended him well
the other option was Salmons
On the "El Heat" thing
If your name was George and you went to Spain, would you tell people your name was Jorge? Generally, proper nouns (especially trademarked ones) don’t get translated. If you asked a native speaker of Spanish who they root for, they’re not going to say El Calor, they’re going to say El Heat, or Los Heat.
by arjoseph on Mar 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This seems right.
Although not necessarily on the name part. If I go to Russia, my name changes from Andrew to Андрей.
The Heat would become <<Хит>> with no change, but my name would change.
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Usaully they just skip all that and
say Miami or Chicago and never mention the mascot
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- fundamentallysound
Slightly OT...
Why the frak do teams still wear alternate jerseys at home? Don’t get me wrong, I love the Bulls white jerseys but they do look out of place with a giant flaming basketball mid-court. And what the hell are “El Heat”? Shouldn’t it be “El Calor”? If you’re going for the cash grab to sell more jerseys go all out and translate the whole name dammit.
Latin Night
here:
Notes: It was Latin Night – "Noche Latina,‘’ part of the NBA’s annual tribute to fans and players from Latin America and Hispanic cities – Miami wore black uniforms with "El Heat’’ across the chest. The Heat will wear the jerseys again Saturday at home against Utah. …
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
what he's trying to say is "Heat" is not Latin (Spanish)
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I understand that
but he also wondered why the Bulls had on their home jerseys…
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And Philly should wear Quaker Oat’s costumes….and Golden State should wear psychedellic Monterey Pop era costumes…
I can't see how something like this could be wrong at all. No.
They could all bring in a treat or show-and-tell before the game based on their ethnic background or state’s main export. Last night Miami brought in faulty officiating to commemorate their State’s record of election fraud.
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by cranscape on Mar 10, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha nice work all around
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but...
why does “El Heat” have to be on black jerseys? They have home whites as well that would have worked.
Black Jerseys sell more than White Jersey
so they can make some of the Black ones for profit in the stores.
Didn’t that sound good; just made it up.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
i think for whatever reason
all the “alternate” jerseys are road jerseys. the only white ones are the true home whites.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Utah can wear Mormon jerseys!
This could end up being really fun.
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i totally agree on the translate the whole name thing
my bf and i were discussing how stupid it looked.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I was confused too.
Just tried to ignore it, really.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
when the Bulls were falling apart in the 3rd
I already had the “El Heat vs. El Suck” headline in my head. These are million-dollar ideas I have upstairs, people!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
its a superstar league
and we dont have one. Superstars gets calls, his teamates gets calls, he doesn’t get called for anything. If not for these superstar calls, teams like lakers, cavs, boston, heat won’t be as invisible as they are now. fk even leon powe is getting calls now. The nba where amazing happens
i didnt know
that we had luther head on our team
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
i'm really wondering
how they can confuse luther head for joakim noah…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Yeah it was like at halftime
They were going over the scores on Comcast and said the Minnesota Wild are losing to the Wizards….it was first typed that way (Wild vs Wizards) then the announcer actually called it out….
I thought that was ridiculous, I mean the “Wild” have been a team for 20 years….
I had a class w/ Lu @ U of I
he was pretty quiet and nice, until the teacher caught him cheating on his Final. It’s ok he just moved up to the front of the class and everything was all good. Go Illini!
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tyrus Thomas
I think since everyone is sharing their personal beefs with particular players, refs, coaches in this thread, it may be a nice time to question those who weren’t willing to trade Ty Thomas for Amare Stoudemire. I thought you guys were crazy than, even as Ty was having the best stretch of his career, and I think you guys look even more nuts now that Tyrus has had a tough couple weeks. Amare Stoudemire may be available this summer again. Are there still people willing to admit they wouldn’t trade Tyrus Thomas for Amare Stoudemire?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What?
Are there still people willing to admit they wouldn’t trade Tyrus Thomas for Amare Stoudemire?
You mean BG, Tyrus, Noah, Sefolosha?
Yeah I would have loved watching Rose ,Hinrich, Deng,Stoudemire and GRAY!!! Fuck that!
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
where did you get that deal from?
the deal was Tyrus/Sefo/Gooden and a 1st round pick I believe. There was a question of whether or not Phoenix wanted Noah, but at the end of the day, Phoenix decided to not make any trade. My post is to the people unwilling to trade for Stoudemire at all.
And since BG isn’t going to be here next year anyway – yeah, I would make the trade you made up for Stoudemire too. Because Sefo isn’t here, BG7 won’t be here next year and Tyrus doesn’t seem like he is a major part of our plans either.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was never one to say
Not trade Tyrus for Amare’ but TYrus, Deng, Noah and 2 year’s of first draft picks, Yes I say leave that trade…..I’d do that for Wade and said the same then, but not for Stat.
Tyrus will be good in this league….
Intresting
Id give up deng, id give up tyrus, and id maybe be iffy about losing noah. Salmons has the ability to replace deng (though i still think deng is better), tyrus would be replaced by amare, but we would then have a center problem since noah is a rebounding machine. In the offseason, id give all three up though for amare, and try to land another center by trading hinrich or something….yes tyrus will be good in this league, but again, amare already is…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
We didn't have Salmons at the time of our trade
And I think Gooden was a key piece too (Expring) in the STAT deal…
my fault
i was thinking more in the lines of in the offseason…id still make the amare trade in the offseason,
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Thanks for bringing this up...
I have a hard time reconciling things here…some really smart stuff…and the retarded back and forth name calling earlier in this post… But the biggest thing that I do not get on BaB is the raw man love for Tyrus Thomas. The fever pitch over him on this site was rivaled only by the silly talk radio discussions of Luol’s potential around the fabricated Kobe rumors. Tyrus can jump out of the gym, which means he will give you some blocks and monster dunks; but he could be the dumbest player in the league. He is completely lost on the court and messes up the flow on offense and defense. He will be a good sub, but nothing more. The talk of his value exceeding Amare’s was silly and I hope Tyrus’s play of late have brought expectations back to Earth. If they cannot make a move for Bosh, I hope they find a legitimate 4 to start in his place next season.
I think Tyrus
Will be a legitimate 4 in this league, hell he already is, a qualified starter….he could be a star someday too, but ain’t quite yet.
It’s his athleticism that Deng never had that is his first asset, then the age (still 22), and the fact that he has all the raw tools, dribbling, passing, and now shooting form, to go with the already established defensive skills….
Those tools are rare in this league, especially rare in a guy as athletic as Tyrus is.
Now it’s just a question of do we want to wait the 2 more years before he’s the all star he could be for 6-8, or do we trade him…I think given that we’ve already used 3 years on him and are finaly starting to see returns (and Tyrus has played very well of late besides the last 2 games) we keep him…..I think he’ll be pretty good.
Of course if a Bosh or Amare (well maybe less so with Amare given the eye issue to go with the knees now, but if that clears) come up, we can include Tyrus, though I would definitely not give Tyrus and the kitchen sink and 2 draft picks for either of those guys, because I really do think T2 will be a star in this league.
I mean Tyrus, unlike many of the other Bulls draft players, has been improving dramatically since day 1 in this league. He’s finally showing a good consistent game, and 2 bad games don’t take that away…..
He does have the helter-skelter moments every other game these days, and sometimes those are frustrating, but the upside and the good games are starting to outweigh the bad….and remember the dude is 22 years old and athletically is probably a top 5 in the entire league….
Those kinds of players you do your best to keep…..
I never really got the Luol love. I mean he was consistent, but even in college was never really all that athletic……he also never really was aggressive….
Tyrus is a freakish athlete, and has proven he can be a catalyst to us already….
Freakish Athlete does not a basketball player make...
You don’t have to be brilliant to be a star in the NBA, but you cannot be dumb as a post.
And let’s not let revisionist history in the debate here… Solid games have not been the norm for Tyrus. He has had some nice streaks of productive games—-and I truly hope that they will return. But that is not the overall norm. Inconsistent, bone-headed play is.
I hope I am wrong. I hope that the potential others seem to see in him will come out in a big way quickly. Otherwise, the draft day move can stand out as another huge disaster for the Bulls. I was willing to wait on Tyrus (and ostensibly for Pax) before declaring the Aldridge swap a failure. I think that the answer has been pretty clear for a while. But if you say he is a star in waiting…
BTW, stat folks—-I’d love to see a comparison of Tyrus and Luol’s numbers. Sure its apples to oranges…
I should have added at this point I would trade anyone but Rose for Amare
BG7 would be another guy I have a hard time giving up but, the Bulls have already pretty much gave him up anyway
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
A day after..
this game still hurts….but damn, what.a.game.
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
Ya no shit...especially after our last game against them.
By the way – I can’t believe it’s taken me this long to realize our signatures are alike. Nicely done!
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
hey there almost like
mine too! cool
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- fundamentallysound
Random thoughts after reading all your comments.
I usually don’t like to pile on fellow BaBr’s, knowing I have rankled a few feathers with my own posts at times, but I think Bulls4ever would have more credibility if he would at least learn to spell a simple 4 letter word. LOSE. It’s not LOOSE, try to remember lose, something the Bulls have a habit of doing in close games, is spelled with only ONE letter “o”.
He’s not the only one with this problem. There seems to be an inordinate number of bloggers who can’t spell worth a damn, and yes DAMN has an n at the end. DAM is a structure to keep water from overflowing and produce energy.
As a self admitted biased sycophant of the Tyrus Thomas Manlove Association, I find it somewhat confusting when people were complaining about how he was missing his shots last night. Well, it’s hard to dispute the facts. Tyrus missed 3 whole shots and made 2. He’s got to get that gunner mentality under control if he expects to be rewarded with floor time. Also, when it was obvious some players were running out of gas, would it have killed VinnyDelClueless to give them a breather by inserting TT?
Poor Ben Gordon, he practically carries the entire team on his back in a brilliant comeback by the Bulls and some people focus on one missed free throw. No wonder the Bulls lost. Ben blew it again.
Kirk gets raked over the coals, yet he has been a definite asset coming off the bench. What does he have to do to earn a little respect?
Finally, are there still people out there that excuse Vinny’s continuing coaching mistakes? The only justification for this obvious brain malfunction to me would be if they are legally blind and get all their information off the radio. These fans are likely from the same gene pool that thinks Neil Funk is not only a great announcer and analyst but is also a handsome hunk of a man.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 10, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it Vinny's or Vinnies?
I g3t confuzed
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I don't know what happened
but I was typing a semi-long post and tried to scroll up to see another comment and all my text was lost. This thread is getting pretty full though so not like it would have been read for too long. Basically I think yes, grammar mistakes magnify the stupid in someone’s argument, Tyrus was getting abused by the refs and it should’ve been VDN getting the technical (or at least working the refs) last night to show his players he’s on their side, and a lot of the Kirk-bashing is due to his $10M salary. Kirk’s a solid pro and a good backup but not worth $10M per year to come off the bench. As far as excusing VDN’s coaching mistakes – I really hope people realize just how unprepared this guy is for the job and how little he’s done to even really learn the basics of running plays/installing an offensive identity. I’m not really in the Neil Funk fan club either but I rarely listen to the telecasts. I find it much more entertaining to watch the Bulls to music – and it’s fun to adjust the Pandora station from Pink Floyd to Rob Zombie once they start blowing it so I can get even more angry.
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Announcing
Swirsky refered to Omer Asik as “a six-eleven, seven-footer” from Turkey on the radio. I liked Funk on radio but he seems to think he doesn’t have to give any info on TV. In a 2OT game he was giving no updates on individual or team fouls. He didn’t notice it immediately when Noah fouled out, and I think Miami had a player foul out who wasn’t even mentioned. Sorry, had to get this off my chest.
by El Toro de Goro on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
The Vinny bashing...
…continues:
here (warning, this is Rosenbloom):
We already knew that Vinny Del Negro doesn’t teach much defense. Doesn’t teach much defense that sticks, anyway.
But the last two games against the Heat make us comfortable believing he doesn’t know what end-of-game offense looks like, either.
When the game is on the line, put the ball in the hands of your best player. Period.
If del Negro understood this, Derrick Rose would have been handling the ball with 11 seconds left in the second OT, not John Salmons.
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 10, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rose handles it
and you run an actual play, not have everyone just stand around.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Soon we will see TiT in that scenario
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
tit?
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
I like it.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Just don't call Tyrus Thomas, TyT.
He was here first. There is Thomas and TiT. Jussayin.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
TyT
had a monster dunk yesterday.
And actually TiT was here first.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Hmm... you win?
You’re a champion. You’re a champion. You win.
TiT wasn’t TiT before. The name change is due to the duplication of T. Thomases. And Thomas is way more important anyway, so he’s still first in that way, too.
But could job bating! You’re a master at it!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
exactly
though with that being said, I would like to start seeing him drive and pass (drive and kick) a little more, as opposed to driving and forcing up a tough shot, which he’s become accustomed to doing.
However, if Rose has the ball last night, I’m 99% sure that we get a shot off…instead of Wade going the other way.
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Well,
he wouldn’t have gotten stripped, that’s for sure.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Perhaps I'm being pessimistic, but it appears that Rose has actually
regressed this season under the tutelege of the Mighty Pompadour.
He was playing better at the beginning of the season.
In particular, while his defense was never excellent, it is now atrocious. On the offensive end, he has become passive and tentative during prolonged stretches. Perhaps this is due to fatigue. Perhaps it is due to the brilliant(ine) player development of the Mighty P.
Has there ever been a franchise less adept at player development than the Bulls of the new millenium?
I am tired of witnessing the parade of incompetents.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i don't believe he has regressed
NBA defenses adjusted to him. NBA teams didn’t know how easily Rose could get into the lane that first month. Now, they have guys pretty much playing zone, waiting for him to come into the lane.
If you look at his numbers, he is improving in some areas every month. His assist ratio has been steadily increasing (except for the month of March). He is rebounding the ball at a better rate every month. Over the last 5 to 7 games he is starting to get to the line more. I don’t know how much Vinny has to do with any of that. But I don’t think Rose is regressing. I think he started off at high level of play that he wouldn’t have sustained no matter who was the coach.
He started off shooting 50% from the field in November. I don’t think any rookie guard was going to sustain that production
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I am thrilled to know that the future of the franchise is....
John Salmons.
No, really, I feel the warm flame of hope kindling in my breast.
John Salmons.
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To the asshat who has terrorized this thread
Really buddy. Really? Can you just stop. We don’t care about your point. Yes BG missed that one FT, but did a lot more that night. We disagree with you and are allowed to have an opinion just as much as you are. When you start responding with the same thing we said before you show that you don’t know how to interact with other people at all. If you make a case for view A and someone replies with view B as a counter to view A you cannot respond to view B with View A! The whole point people were trying to make with you was that missing the ft wasn’t the end of the world. If you don’t like it fine, but If you don’t have anything else to say then you should shut up END OF STORY. Don’t keep responding to people with the SAME DAMN POINT over and over again. That is what a troll is, or when you make a one line snarky remark the midst of a discussion or thread. Ultimately, Matt decides what is and isn’t trolling, so you flag it and let YFBB decide and you do not refer to everyone who disagrees with you as a troll. You are such a little bitch.
You act like a fucking 12 yo girl who just lost her boyfriend and just keep crying about the same damn thing that no one gives a shit about. You don’t have an intelligent response to anything anyone has said. They give facts and you continue to cling to your delusional ideals. You must have been dropped as a child or something because you are so daft. You have shown that you have not even one iota of intelligence and you have added nothing productive to this discussion. I cannot believe how stupid you are. If you were anyone I knew or someone related to me I would beat you senseless if you talked to anyone like this in real life. Fuck off.
/end rant
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
A little on the harsh side
but rec for the main idea.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
At least you forewarned everyone with a proper subject line.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I'd rec you,
but I’m offended on behalf of 12-year-old girls everywhere. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Mar 10, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The offense needs more room for Rose to operate
Anybody saw the Miami Heat offense last night?? Wade has so much more room to operate because of the spacing on the floor by the Heat players. Wade had an open floor to him to get by Bulls’ defenders at will.
The Bulls need to start doing this, do the same thing for Rose, run isos for him, space out the floor instead of having a million guys clogging in the lanes play after play after play.
God the more I write the more I hate VDN, the guy is dumb as rocks.
more reason to trade away deng?
since deng game is basically held in the middle of the court jumpers or not. At least having big guys like brad miller (or in the future bosh or amare) allows the ability for rose to have some solid screens and guys who can hit the jumpers after the screen….deng game is being lost on this team due to the way the offense (or lack of) is being applied. Its hurting rose, and deng…thus hurting the team.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Nah,
they’ll say Deng was hurt all year and give him another chance. He is costing us too much money not to at this point even if it ends out to be a failed experiment. There are some fundamental flaws in how he will fit despite injury. It does feel like it is delaying the development of the team another year. And I don’t want to go through one more year of this awkward crap.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
"they’ll say Deng was hurt all year and give him another chance."
:: starts to delete 500th “Deng’s fine” post ::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hrm? You see it playing out other ways?
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well to give a spoiler to a future post (if I ever write it)
I’m cool with Deng still. He’ll be fine and they can’t move him for anything anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the point I was trying to make.
Deng is hard to move and costs a lot so might as well wait until next year, even if it is painful. Put him on a mojo regimen over the summer. All of the Rocky movies and marathon seasons of 24. He might not be able to play basketball by the end of it, but he should be able to break other people’s bones instead of his own.
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Deng won't be a painful
Guy to keep on our team….he can play….he can be painful if he misses 20-30 games again next year, but if he plays, he won’t quite kill you, and that is why he was the “safe” choice…..
The Bulls, the “safest” organization in the league.
I agree
though not with the negative connotation. If only mildly injury-prone, paying Deng for years 23-29 is a safe bet. Probably could’ve gone a little less on the money but the players sort of own the negotiations considering how long it takes to re-draft and develop talent. so it’s either overpay or chase away guys, and we’re seeing the Bulls do both at once.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 11, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I was making more a comment
On us being teh “safest” org in the league….I think Deng’ll be alright.
I was also being a git. and a negative nancy at the same time.
Sorry wanted to use the puns.
I've already found Deng painful this year.
If next year is a repeat of this year it will not be fun.
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Deng
should just focus more on the rip hamilton play. set screens for him in the baseline. It will give him open mid range or slash to the basket. He’s trying to do too much, trying to show he can create his own shot w/c he cant. He’s trying to prove he deserved the money he got instead of just sticking to his strengths and just continue doing what got him the contract in the 1st place. Why not just improve on other areas like defense, rebounding etc
it would help if we actually had any offensive sets that would do such things
instead of the pick and roll on every single play…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Holy shit logic was just murdered in this thread
A missed FT is a missed FT, no matter where you miss it. I cannot believe people cannot comprehend this simple reasoning. Noah missed at least 4 putback attempts, hell if he wasn’t out of control on that putback at the end of regulation, the game could have ended there, Rose put enough spin on the ball that it went right to him.
Criticism is warranted of all the Bulls players. But, folks, if you’re going to rag on a guy nonstop after he singlehandedly brought them back in the game, expect backlash, Chicago style.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
No defense
Did anybody really see the final score????
You feel that defense played any role at all in this NBA game?
Well, not to me.
And you can talk all you want about Noah’s rebounds.
Because he played 44.30 minutes AND only had ONE assist!
Total of 4 points.
IN 44 MINUTES!?
Now you tell me…who was his outstanding opposition player that stopped Noah?
Nobody.
He just sucks.
Flops around and is confused about offensive positioning.
And he gets pushed around like hes 35 pounds.
And why isn’t Aaron Gray allowed to clog the middle?
If you look at his stats, he blows Noah away.
Slow?
Is slow the reason your gonna though out again?
Well, I remember we gave away a slow player years ago…Brad Miller.
Now look at him.
I am tired of this bull and Aaron Gray should be allowed time with Brad. If this happens, I promise you the Bulls are in pretty good shape up front.
if only Noah worked as hard
as you do with the ‘Enter’ key.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude needs bullet points! ;)
as you do with the ‘Enter’ key.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
You know, I remember watching that game last night and thinking
“Shit if only Aaron Gray could catch the ball 5 feet from the basket so he could get stripped everytime because his hands are covered with Crisco, we just might win this one.”
Oh wait, he could have missed more defensive assignments and lazily fouled Wade a few more times. OOH OOH, and he could have stared down Wade while Gordon hit all those 3s! Gosh, I do love me some Aaron Gray love. If only CJ Bulls was still around so he could tell us Gray should be the starting center.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you got CJ Bulls all wrong
he said that it didn’t matter who started :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 10, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Now put that to iambic pentameter.
Aaron and Brad. Together? I don’t think even Vinny would do that. (knock on wood)
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that lineup actually made an appearance
at the end of the bucks game.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I have an idea!
We put Aaron Gray in the middle, and he clogs it up! This opens the lane for Rose to drive to the basket!
Yeah!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Not true at all.
Stats comparison indicates Gray is a slightly better defensive rebounder (likely because he is too big to box out easily), but otherwise Noah is equal or significantly better than Gray.
If you look at his [Gray’s] stats, he blows Noah away.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Gray's rebounding ability is helped
because he fouls like a madman.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 11, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
True, Gray is at 6.9 fouls per 36 minutes,
while Noah is at 4.5 per 36.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Brad Miller and Aaron Gray
playing together is like watching a John Woo or Matrix movie
by trig on Mar 10, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
except they are the only two moving in bullet time
and john salmons when he takes a jumper, one of the slowest releases in the nba i think…
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by piccolomair on Mar 11, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
PREVENGE
READ THOSE KNICKS BOX SCORES AND WEAP
30 plus points, averaging more than Rose now, 50% from the arc? More 3 pointers with the Knicks than Rose has all year.
Paid $13 million for Hughes for a year and you got nothing. Worse, you DNP and inactivate him, give him away.
New York grants a 10 year veteran his wish, 30 minutes about twice a weak, CASE CLOSED. This is so damn funny and your post and tag line show your total incompitence of knowing the game. This board ran Hughes out, (literally), and was back ass as Sam Smith who said send him home or bench him for the year.
Ya, right, starting for the knicks after 3 games, better stats than any Bull.
EAT IT!, Every game left you will.
I'm 'weap'ing.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
i'm 'weaping'
for joy, even, knowing he’s not on my team anymore. :D
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Mar 11, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dad's a knicks fan, and he mentioned the team's not doing so well now that Hughes is there:
They’re 3-6. :P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Looks like the annual
Duhon shooting slump has started, and he’s falling back to his typical Bulls type numbers….except this time having them over 35+ minutes a night….in a system that favors his game….ouch.
Larry Hughes has talents, but give him time “Know” he’ll starting killing your flo by constantly trying to show he’s a Lebron James type talent too.
I wish the dude could just play to his slashing and defensive strengths, but instead he often kills the offense by hoisting ill advised shots again and again.
There was a story on SI.COM right after he was traded that Vinny Del Negro and Paxson promised him 30 minutes per night backing up Derrrick and Ben Gordon and Luol Deng after Larry came back from the early season injury, and he was like, that’s not enough I want to start or play 35-40…..and that was the first complaint to the media….so the Bulls were rather desperate to get rif of him after that….and the Knicks will soon lose favor in him.
It’s a shame, he’s a talented player, but his team killing ways have dubbed him the “un-legend” tag.
Troll much?
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 11, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I love that
the word “troll” is like the most offensive name to bloggers….
It’s hysterical to me….I don’t know why.
It comes from the word "trolling"
not from the mythical beast. Trolling is slightly less exciting.
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I know
I wish it meant the mythical beast though.
I still think it’s funny that you say Troll to someone on a blog and they are like “oh my god, what did you have the nerve to call me you f!@k”….
Cracks me up.
we were waiting for you
http://www.blogabull.com/2009/3/10/788820/open-game-thread-kings-vs#12950880
Anyway, you’re trolling now since nobody is even talking about Hughes in this thread.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 11, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
30 minutes about “twice a weak”…whew…that’s something!
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 11, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
At least Duhon is failing miserably while Hughes succeeds
The Knicks really are making a furious run at 11th place in the Eastern Conference, Hughes might get consideration for MVP with these performances.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 11, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
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