David Thorpe is a hater!!!!

by Bullsfanla on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 AM CST

Like me you probably wait for the rookie's ranking every week on ESPN to see where Derrick ranks in the weeks leading up to his certain Rookie of the year award. With his recent eratic play and getting benched in the 4th I would agree maybe the race is closer but he's still the clear cut winner in my eyes. So I posed a question to David thrope and this was his response.

Dyami, Los Angeles: After watching D Rose lead my Bulls to a 4th quarter come back and a win,what is Del Negro thinking when he benches him in the 4th. Do you think that will also hurt him in the R.O.Y voting?

David Thorpe: (12:38 PM ET ) That comeback was mostly due to a total Artest meltdown. But no, he's still a strong ROY candidate.

Artest melt down? What at the end of the game, give the kid some credit and respect the fact he hit some big tough shots and showed a glimpse of why he is the future. I think his benching does hurt his shot at ROY and more inportantly his development as our superstar.

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i didn't want to say it at the time

but I agree. If they’d kept getting Yao the ball theres no way they would have come back.

by JSlakov on Mar 4, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions

I think they still would have beat us

if Rose didn’t come on strong in the 4th. They were up by double digits. We’d still have to out score them in that quarter by a lot to win and the shots that Rose and Gordon took to do that were no walk in the park. The Rockets didn’t let up defensively. They went a little brain dead offensively but they still had it in hand.

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by cranscape on Mar 4, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

If Deng or Thomas didn't do it, then it was the other team melting down.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 4, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions

What? I'd say "pot calling the kettle black", but Thorpe's never expressed the kind of blind love for Thomas and Deng

that you do for BG. Yao stopped getting the ball, Houston stopped scoring, Rose and BG getting hot doesn’t mean anything without that first part.

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by snley on Mar 4, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions

The first part would be meaningless without the second part.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 4, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions

Second part likely doesn't happen without the first

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by snley on Mar 4, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions

My point was that

I didn’t see the Rockets let up defensively on us. We got our points the hard way. They could still have slowed down offensively and won since we were so far behind in the points and offensively stagnant until Rose and Gordon started hitting hard shots.

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by cranscape on Mar 4, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think Thorpe's a hater on Rose, but maybe on VDN

Michael (Maryland): Why so much love for the ‘paper tiger’ Chicago Bulls? If they have 4 guys you’re always praising, why do they suck so bad?

SportsNation David Thorpe: Michael, think about it for a second………got it?

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by snley on Mar 4, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions

Thorpe embarasses himself everytime he does one of these things imo.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

You embarrass yourself everytime you post

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by gobulls1124 on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs

"Oh my!"

- Funk

(yes, I stole that from Matt)

by smash! on Mar 4, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

I assumed you learned from him

On the general rules of excessive fanboy love. At least Tyrus pays him money.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions

I had the same thought.

by arjoseph on Mar 4, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions

It seems like everyone is afraid to say Vinny is a bad coach though

Even Stephen A was beating around the bush the finally said he wasn’t going to say he was. But given all our talent he’d pick against us in the playoff picture.

by Camry on Mar 4, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions

The scary thing is, he is in a position where he probably won't get fired.

First year coach with no coaching experience making the playoffs? Sounds like a success story that Vinny can tout to not get fired.

In reality, I think going for a guy like Avery Johnson, maybe Thibodeaux, is the route to go.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions

I wish this question didn't come up

Washington (Arizona): What coach do you think would be right for the Bulls?
SportsNation David Thorpe: D’Antoni.

by Camry on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions

Ahahahaha ...

[cries]

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Mar 5, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I agree with you here.

I think Avery Johnson would be a great fit for the team.

by Unrealcity on Mar 4, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, the team's young point god needs a tight collar around his neck with a short leash

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by snley on Mar 5, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

not avery

he would drive rose crazy. Thibodeau was and still is the perfect choice. He would help correct Derrick’s defensive flaws and with our personnel we could have one of the best defenses in the nba with thibedeau. Also, he knows a thing or two about developing a young athletic pg.

by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions

I'm coming to that conclusion, too.

I thought D’Antoni would be great because his teams aren’t that bad defensively (they were actually "average") considering that Nash and Stoudemire were his biggest pieces. And I thought he could make the offense respectable; he’s got the Knicks 13th(!!!!) in offensive efficiency, I’d think this team could do better. Add in the players’ natural defensive talents, and ….

But then this season came. And I don’t think the players’ defensive talents could come out without a lockdown, set-in-stone, know-your-role defensive scheme. I think I’m now to the point where I’d like to see a great defensive mind make this one of, if not THE, best defensive team in the league. Of course, you’d like said person to have a clue on offense, too. But I think they need to find their defensive identity first, then go offensive.

In the next two years, I’d love to see Top-5 in Defense, Top-5 in pace and Top-10 Offense. If they can do that by the end of 2011 w/ Rose, Deng, Thomas and Noah starting, I’d be excited.

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by tyger1147 on Mar 5, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah

But I really think Bosh is coming to chicago (but maybe Miami)…I think it will be this offseason for Thomas, Miller, 2 or 3 first round picks and maybe something else (like we might give up another expiring and take a bad contract from tor)

by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions

well, that works to

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 5, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions

he does say noah is underrated though :)

Ed (MD): who is the most under-rated player in the NBA? Recent reports may suggest shane battier. Who else is on your list?

SportsNation David Thorpe: Joakim Noah. Felton is coming along.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions

The ongoing conversation that spawned was painfully amusing

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by snley on Mar 4, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

i was surprised about all the negativity

coming from bulls fans, though.

granted, noah hasn’t always been my favorite – but both last year and this year, he’s grown on me. if he could just come to camp in shape next year…

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions

He will always be loathed

Because he is ugly, and doesn’t have a post move. The average Bulls fan will say Chris Kaman is a better player.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think it's the uglieness.

After all, the girls (and guys) in Gainesville love them some Noah (though that may say more about them than him; Relatively, he qualifies as "attractive").

I really think it’s the terrible form on his “shot” and the simple fact that it took him 3-4 months to get into shape. I don’t even think the weed/cognac arrest had much to do with it. Just the busted lungs/motor.

I’m very surprised Thorpe listed him as THE MOST underrated though. Maybe he’s just trying to add another Bull to his summer roster.

by smash! on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

very insightful comments...

man up!

by exult463 on Mar 4, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions

That's what I was shooting for...

by smash! on Mar 4, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions

Thorpe lives in Florida and has been a big fan of Noah's intangibles since he was in college.

Plus, I think he’s well aware of Noah’s dominance in plus/minus type stats, and that many casual fans (even Bulls fans) hate the kid and think he’s worthless. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s at least one of the most underrated guys in the league, since Thorpe is the only one I’ve ever heard say it.

by arjoseph on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions

The reason most Bulls fans are anti Noah is because they got frutrated and

stopped watching this team around December. Right when Noah was getting inconsistant minutes and was still out of shape. Around then the media was really hammering to. Most haven’t tuned in for his rebound in January and beyond.

If his strong play continues and the Bulls squeeze into the playoffs and have some success Noah will be seen in a different light. Or it might take a year and if he start next season in shape he’ll win the crowd.

by silentpete on Mar 4, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions

if he's loathed for being ugly

i don’t see how the advantage goes to chris kaman, there.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

That was a joke

But, he doesn’t have a legit post game, so the average fan will consider him a wasted draft pick. Some will admire his heart, and the more invested fans will realize how much he does contribute to the team.

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions

Joakim Noah's been my favorite player since he came over from Florida.

I mean, Rose supplanted him, because he’s rose, but Joakim is awesome.
I concluded that the average fan was a retard a long time ago … egh.

by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Noah is the almost perfect front court match for an 4 with offensive skills

that needs the ball a lot.

Maybe we can (but probably not)?

by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions

Bosh?

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Mar 4, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions

Amare?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Mar 5, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions

i agree

but bosh…not amare

by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions

nice

by smash! on Mar 4, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions

I'm surprised no one posted this -

Tim (ChiTown): Will Luol Deng and Vinny be a part of the Bulls starting the season next year?

SportsNation David Thorpe: I wouldn’t be surprised if one or the other was not there.

The beef between Del Negro and Deng is heating up. I personally wouldn’t mind if both were gone. I tired of both their acts.

by Basketball Smurf on Mar 4, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions

I hope both were gone too

If we only got the chance to choose, well… Vinny has to go!!!

by bull83 on Mar 4, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions

I'll give you both

Deng and VDN if you grant me both Kirk and Ben gone.

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by marionette on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions

why cant people see the relationship between vdn's coaching and deng's poor play?

Deng will be fine with a competent coach. There is no offensive system and deng needs a system. His skills are not being utilized. Luol also contributes in other ways and what if he has really been playing with a stress factor in his shin. If we get Bosh, he could be an awesome 3rd option to bosh/rose.

by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

Rose Number 2

Thrope has updated his rookie 50 and has Westbrook ahead of Rose even though Rose has a better PPG and APG. I think Russell is talented but not on the level of D Rose, I just hope Rose wakes up and goes wild to close out the season.

by Bullsfanla on Mar 4, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions

on thorpe's update, though

he says they’re tied for the top spot.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions

I still think it is like last week.

Since they are tied, he is putting the one with the higher PER first until there is further separation. But I don’t think there would really be any support for Westbrook to actually win the ROY. People who analyze the game look more at pure numbers, but people with votes look at the team first. It’s why Kobe didn’t win an MVP for so long and why Wade is 3-5 range this year and not really considered to supplant LBJ and KB. The Bulls are considered a team fighting for the playoffs with meaningful games. Rose is getting minutes over a player making 10 mil. a year who still has a lot of admirers around the league and helping the team win. Westbrook is playing for a lottery pick and nobodies cares about Earl Watson.

Rose would be mostly unanimous at this point among voters.

by Unrealcity on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions

Westbrook has been better than Rose for the last two months and it hasn't been very close

Rose was the far superior player out of the gate, though.

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by fundamentallysound on Mar 4, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions

not just out of the gate

but most likely in the long run also….russell can have that middle area if he wants

( on a side note, 2k has westbrook to win rookie of the year honors, but i think thats more dependant on the team. Westbrook gets more assists in 2ks simulated games, while rose gets more points. Westbrook basically averaged a double double 11pts 12 assists in 2ks simulated season, while rose had 15pts and 8 assists. The simulation was done by me by the way, i just started an association and simulated the entire season.)

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by piccolomair on Mar 4, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry people....but Rose is not the next great thing!

In order for this organization to win big in the future………….the Bulls will have to get a star that is better than Rose. Simple as that!

Hinrich + Gordon + Deng + Paxson + Del Negro = FAIL

by Johnny"B"ull on Mar 5, 2009 12:06 AM CST reply actions

Like Michael Jordan?

Where? Where?!?

by Prevenge on Mar 5, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions

they need a coach

rose is the next great thing. rose has shown he can make an impact when hes the focus of the offense in the few glimpses we seen this season
we just need a system that is built around rose and utilizes all his skills.

if you look at miami and how they play with wade (who rose was compared to alot) they simply just come out and set screens for him so he can blow into the lane and score easily.
a few plays like that could give us an extra 8-10pts every night and get the offense going real fast

by sin on Mar 5, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions

it depends on how you define the next great thing

I dont think Rose will be one of the top 3 players in the nba. But top 10??? I think that is entirely possible. His flaws are all correctable and due to his work ethic I expect him to improve. As for Westbrook…hes gonna be a very good player, but hes not a pg. Also, of course Westbrook is gonna have better numbers. Someone (besides Durant) has to put up numbers on that team (and they play a style that is perfect for him). I dont think there will be any question in a couple of years that rose is more valuable. By the way, who really cares about ROY. If someone else gets it then maybe Derrick takes it as a slight and uses it for motivation.

by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions

What!!! You are trippin!!!

Rose is the next great thing!!! Right now the kid isn’t even a complete player and can get to the hoop at will, once his jumper improves and he realizes that this is his team it’s over. He will improve on defense and be this team’s star player by year 3. I agree with you that we will need another star to win because that’s what it takes to win in this league. I’m not saying he will ever be on the level of MJ because that is a level that no one will ever be on, well this Lebron kid is coming close.

by Bullsfanla on Mar 5, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

apology accepted.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

Rose vs Westbrook....actually kinda close

Westbrook rebounds like a fiend, plays real solid D. No jumper though.
Rose is one of the fastest players, decent shot which places him above Westbrook

Rose is more explosive but in all honesty Westbrook is gonna be great too. Especially if he ever develops a shot. D-Rose is a gonna be a superstar but I really think Westbrook is great and he will develop as a 1 not a 2.

by C Smoove on Mar 7, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions