Bobcats 96, Bulls 80: Well, there goes that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 8:33 AM CST
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My post-deadline hopes of reaching the 6th or 5th seed are over, and even making the playoffs seems far-fetched, if not pointless anyway.
It's not just odd rotations (has to be told to play Rose, then insists he's in charge) that are hurting Del Negro. After the deals they have a fairly stacked roster (certainly compared to the Bucks, Knicks, Nets, etc.), but clearly the Bulls are inconsistent bad because they’re not being coached.
They can’t even figure out who to give the ball to when going up the floor. Rose either gets it off of a make or instead runs and stands outside the 3-point line, waiting for the 'my turn' offense to get to his spot on the wheel. And on defense: nobody talks, and then they switch to the zone which just gives them more reason to stand still.
So unless someone has a transcendent performance, or everyone's hitting shots, they'll lose. And they have enough talent to win games they shouldn't (they'll probably kill the Warriors at home tonight), just not enough cohesion to get the type of streak together that'd actually give them some life above the rest of this Eastern Conference dreck. So that's where they stay, until they fire Vinny 20 games into next season.
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"We had a lot of guys play well," said Bobcats coach Larry Brown. "It was a lot of fun watching us."
WTF is Salmons doing playing PF….
Del Negro tried a small lineup with Salmons at power forward, and Charlotte pounded the ball inside as the Bulls committed four turnovers and were behind 32-25 after one.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Mar 4, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i asked the same question when i saw him as the 4...
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He pulled out a old Jim B***** scheme
Four guards lineup. After that he went big, with Tyrus at SF, Noah at PF and Miller at C
by bull83 on Mar 4, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
especially since he was the only SF available that night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Matchups!
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get ready for a shitload more of that tonight
against Nellie’s band of littleish fast guys
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Hinrich at PF.
Oh crap, I hope VDN doesn’t read this and get ideas.
WTF is Salmons doing playing PF….
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All The Blame on the Coach ?
I can’t help but notice that this blog tends to always place the blame on the coach.
I don’t disagree that the coach should receive blame – but what about the players on the court sharing in this blame ?
Besides the boringly-obvious bandwagon player to criticize (Hinrich now), the coach receives the large bulk of the blame here.
Example of players performance screwing us over – getting absolutely pounded on the boards last night for most of the game (often with a combo of thomas, noah or thomas, miller)
by swede2287 on Mar 4, 2009 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ty had 12 rebounds
and miller had 7 offensive rebounds.
noah had a poor performance on the boards, but it also helps when your coach puts you in position to succeed – as noted above, he had SALMONS playing power forward at one point.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Mar 4, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It really falls on everyone
from the coach to players all the way to the GM. But the coaches mistakes are the most blatant.
Let’s take my comment above that mentions Salmons at PF. The Bulls are struggling on the boards so Vinny’s answer to that is playing Salmons at 4. Really?
You want the players held accountable but you make a substitution like that? Use your big men; all of them if you need (Miller, Noah, Thomas, Gray) and push them to be responsible for what is happening. Why is he using someone smaller to gain more boards? I think that is a fair question.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Mar 4, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only time Salmons should play the 4
is at the end of quarters on end of quarter final possessions, where another 3-pt. shooter is needed.
The Bulls are struggling on the boards so Vinny’s answer to that is playing Salmons at 4
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With TiT and Miller
on the team I’m not sure that is even a good time to have him at the 4.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Mar 4, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The coach is the guy who takes five players and makes them more than the sum of their parts
This team is less than the sum of its parts.
by Sports2 on Mar 4, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Exactly.. these are the words I'm thinking over the last week or so ...
Vinny is a coach who takes five guys and allows them to remain as only five guys on the floor.
One component of “more that the sum of their parts” is team defense!
Bulls don’t play it or help defense ever? What are these coaches doing?
man up!
by exult463 on Mar 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hold the players blameless
until they have a real coach. It’s too big a variable to have any real judgments on their talent since it’s not only underutilized but underutilized. They don’t do anything as team.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying the players' talent is underutilized?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Mar 4, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops :)
*not only underutilized but UNutilized.
(though that isn’t a word anyway)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any team spirit?
I remember that story about Vinny superbowl party and I was with the impression that the guys didn’t wanted to go. After that, I think I heard BG saying that he only goes out with his teammates when they are on the road… I mean, do they all get along well?
by bull83 on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they never were pals.
and it doesn’t matter.
They probably even like Vinny as a dude, but nobody wants to work (hard) for an imbecile.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And working hard
still won’t make Salmons a PF. There are some limitations to the control players have over their performance when they are put into impossible situations like that. And if you look at our defensive schemes (harhar) and unimaginative offense there still is only so much hard work can get you. Every now and then players will take over and mold a particular game to their will (and this is only possible for Rose and Gordon at this point) but the base ingredients of our offense and defense still sucks when you get down to it. If Rose and Gordon have a below average game or can’t set the tone themselves what you get is pure Vinny.
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by cranscape on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon it's more complex than that
Watching in the second quarter – BG is leading a three on two break with derrick frickin rose cutting to the rim….doesn’t pass….he pulls up for an offbalance jumpshot at the free throw line. and misses.
it just seems irresponsible and untruthful to say that a coach is solely responsible for the team’s failings.
i agree – they’re underutilized. but blameless – no, no.
and this “my turn” offense should come as no surprise. it’s how our offense has been all year. and that is not just a result of poor coaching, it’s also a result of the makeup of the players. derrick rose doesn’t yet possess outstanding court vision – he can score very well in this “my turn” offense. you watch BG play – and he helps nurture this “my turn” offense. he catches the ball, holds onto it or dribbles, and iso’s his man for his offense. between those two – we have a lot of possessions where it’s just a “my turn” offense. And the blame for this “my turn” offense can be attributed partially to the makeup of these two players, not just the lack of coaching.
by swede2287 on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"my turn offense" is a result of the scheming as much as the players
It’s largely one player getting set up for iso’s/pick and rolls while the rest of the team stands on the perimeter. That is the coach’s fault
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by snley on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One guy
doesn’t destroy the entire offense. And teams usually do have a guy or two who can make their own shots and go one-on-one and that is perfectly fine. You obviously can’t have everyone doing that, but it is normal and good to have a guy or two who can. And if that guy is a great scorer all the better. Not everyone can be that way and Gordon would be the only guy on our team outside of Rose who I’d be ok with doing that. The Bulls offensive problem as a team is that they don’t really run any offense besides Noah or another big running a screen at the top for Rose and then people standing around. Once they get that part over with they pass the ball around randomly until someone shoots, open or not. That is pretty much all we do besides sometimes not even bothering to run the pick and roll and going straight to a few nonstrategic passes until someone has the balls to shoot, open or not. If it wasn’t for the occasional isolation play by Rose or Gordon we probably be doing worse. At least in that situation one player is thinking. As a team we don’t really think beyond taking a turn at throwing a shot up despite what the defense is doing.
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by cranscape on Mar 4, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon does too pass
yes he did so that very game! Just ask Joakim!
[He got a pass to the back of his head when he made the mistake of turning for an offensive rebound once Ben jumped in the air at the circle.]
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Mar 4, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A good note?
Ok, so I did not see the game last night (sadness) but Rose had 8 FTA! Tell me these weren’t in garbage time or just cheap foul calls. Tell me he was attacking the rim?!
by DRose01 on Mar 4, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The answer to your questions are No and No
He didn’t attack the rim much. Only now and then…
by bull83 on Mar 4, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything that was said. I only hope that they do not allow Vinny to do
a training camp only to fire him in 20 games. They should fire his ass before the end of the season if you ask me, but since that is unlikely then they should fire him IMMEDIATELY after the last game of the season.
The once the damn buzzer sounds his ass should be out the door that night. Dont even wait until the next day. I am tired of seeing his ass fuck up a team that should produce much better than this.
Are they championship material yet,,,,,,no,,,,,,,but Matt really summed it up well. They have been playing PICK UP all season and they are winning on TALENT alone.
It is amazing that Derrick Rose is doing a well as he is doing considering the coach that he has. If Derrick Rose wins Rookie of the Year it will be a testament to his talent to rise above his coach and if he loses Rookie of the Year to someone else I wlll blame Vinny for it.
by Bart71 on Mar 4, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
“If guys were smart and professional, they’d understand the guys we brought in can help us win,” Del Negro said.
Someone answer something for me. Is it a good thing to call your players dumb and unprofessional? Just wondering…
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by NormVanBeer on Mar 4, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know what'd be cool?
Latrell Spreewell on a 10 day contract.
by Sports2 on Mar 4, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Only if his locker was in Vinny's office
and he was banned from speaking to any of the players besides Roberson & Jerome James
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that be enough money to feed his family?
Latrell Spreewell on a 10 day contract.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
That’s why it would be cool.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With a huge signing bonus
if he chokes Vinny until he agrees to quit coaching.
by Cannoli on Mar 4, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him lose it and punch the air
when Felton made that shot on Rose as the shot clock expired? The guy needs to be gone before he really starts affecting Rose’s mentality out there. The day that Derrick doesn’t get up for a practice/game because he dreads VDN’s wrath is the day after Vinny should’ve been fired.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
yeah I caught that as well. He looks moronic on the sidelines with his frustration fist pumps and his bush-league yelling. Someone should tie an electronic ankle monitor to him, in order for him to get shocked anytime he even comes close to leaving his chair.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Mar 4, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember seeing any other coach do that
I think in my entire NBA-watching career. Way to show up your franchise player, that sure is professional.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are professional NBA-watchers?
How do I become one? I’ve been doing all this scouting and discussing for free.
by Unrealcity on Mar 5, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Bulls blog
You have to play every night. That’s what you are paid to do. You have to come ready to work and do your job and we didn’t do that tonight.
I hope he was talking about his job also. Because he’s not doing his job properly
by bull83 on Mar 4, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he's setting himself up for excuses at his next interview?
He might already think he’s gone, so saying that the players aren’t getting up for games now, means he can stress that during his next job search. Del Negro can talk a good game. I wouldn’t put that sort of calculating past him.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Mar 4, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
who the hell is going to hire him? Maybe in the CBA I guess…if they’re not bankrupt yet.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe PaxDorf will make VDN assistant GM in charge of scouting
or some other front office job this summer to save face for all parties. Since JR is cheap, one of the assistants could be promoted to acting coach for the year.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but VDN had no real ties to the team before this job, so he’s not really in the same category as Pax in the “one of the guys” sense. If he keeps running his mouth and openly criticizing players/Pax, it’ll be a very easy decision for Jerry to make.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's earned Reinsdorf's trust
by taking the lowest paycheck of any coach in the league.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Yea
It’s more like a paid internship when you think about it…something for VDN to put on his resume.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they wanted a cheap intern, they could have posted an ad in the classifieds
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
nobody reads those anymore…not since Craigslist came in w/ their free postings and superior business model. ::shakes fist::
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're the Trib guy, right?
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that
More layoffs happening on my floor as we speak…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm here posting in the day since I ran out of billable
things to do at work.
The worst part is I have to move to Iowa for work – hope I don’t run into too many die-hard Hinrich fans! (Bulls content)
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Doomed
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
lmfao
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Mar 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I hope there was some backup coaching plan.
VDN needs to be “bumped up” to the front office. Make him a scouting executive. Or Vice President of Web Surfing. He looks like what he is…a guy who has never coached before. The idea that a guy new to coaching and is more a desk and scouting guy could be a better teacher to young players sounds crazy right now.
While Larry Bird may have pulled it off with the Indiana Pacers, VDN is a zit on the basketball landscape compared to Larry Bird.
VDN = Boylan
VDN = Terry Porter (who was already fired mid-season)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think porter to the bucks to the playoffs on his first coaching job
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Porter was also an assistant coach for the Kings for a year before becoming a head coach.
From wikipedia:
Porter spent the 2002-03 season as an assistant coach with the Sacramento Kings, his first season in coaching….On August 6, 2003, the Milwaukee native was hired as head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks. He was the eighth head coach in franchise history. He coached the Bucks for two years, leading a team which was expected to wind up in the playoffs after landing in the NBA draft lottery. However, the Bucks failed to make the playoffs the next season, and Porter was released during the 2005 offseason.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
VDN is still better than he who should never be named…
by majoyenrac on Mar 4, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure about that?
I’m not. This team has a #1 pick and probably a top 3 Eastern conference PG already.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am
I think the team’s playing at least every few games with some heart….
by majoyenrac on Mar 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how much better would this team be with D'Antoni?
He has like totally proved himself in new york, not just the offense, but his ability to get a team to compete.
and like wouldn’t the bulls roster be perfect. lol. Ben Gorden would have resigned for like veterans minimum and committed himself to the bulls for this life and the next, TT would have made all-star game with his 20 shots a game and d.rose would be avg 31 assists a game.
wah wah
by mandoman10 on Mar 4, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
It took him around 4 months to realize Duhon isn’t that good and Robinson should play more, the Bulls never figured that out in 4 years.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to just pretend last night's game didn't happen
It was so uneventful, there’s no point in discussing it. All the storylines were in full effect. I still want this team to make the playoffs, but if they miss them (which is more likely since they can’t win more than 2 damn games in a row) at least that’s incentive to fire Vinny. Let VDN start acting like a brash rube, calling out his players, retaliating to Paxson, it can only hurt his stature.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 4, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I know this season is all about Rose but I miss when our city's teams played
team defense. This chasing people around thing is kinda funny though. How dumb can you be that you don’t know how to help the helper?
Can someone also tell why does every Bulls guard go the wrong way on screens? It used to be you’d stay on top of the screen?
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Going over the top of screens...
Implies a willingness to get hip checked by the screener. I realize that’s obvious, but nobody on the Bulls cares for that kind of contact. It’s a free for all on defense, kind of like Phoenix two years ago.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would be Pheonix East.
Well, Pheonix Midwest.
dreams
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VDN will be a genius
if we can get a top 3 pick next season :)
by trig on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are sitting on the 12th pick right now.
For them to have any real mathematical shot, as in the 1.7% of a miracle they got last year, they’d have to start tanking a lot more. But that’s exactly the problem: too good to tank, too bad to win. They’re stuck in this limbo, of averaging really good games and incredibly atrocious games, of being a below-average to average team.
by NittanyCub on Mar 4, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they will trade some combination of picks and Hinrich this summer.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Please God let that happen.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
I don’t want this team picking in the lottery, and definitely not in the top 3 anymore. We don’t deserve it if we can’t put together a roster with what we have already. We’re starting to look like the Clippers in the 90’s.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just take a look at our starting 5, from when they were picked in the draft
#1
#3
#7
#4(Can argue it was #2)
#9
Draft picks don’t equal success. Team management, cohesion, and player development equals success.
by NittanyCub on Mar 4, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But it’s awfully hard to judge #1 yet, #4 yet (who was picked to be a project) and even second year #9 yet….
by majoyenrac on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's even harder to judge...
When our roster is so full of “potential” that it takes TT three years to get on the court in substantial minutes. I’ll be the first person to admit that I thought he was a bust, but clearly he just needed some PT to prove otherwise (IMO). We don’t need anymore of that.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might not be done, either.
It always takes longer for frontcourt players to develop to NBA levels, especially those who come in “raw” like TT. Noah was far less raw when he arrived, but even he will round into a better player in a couple of years.
In a way, centers and power forwards should be on a different rookie pay scale. By the time their rookie contract is up, you still don’t necessarily know what you have (unlike most guards).
by arjoseph on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus
Though wasn’t really expected to be ready to go so early and in my opinion he got thrust into a role a bit earlier because the Body died….and we had a sig hole.
Had we had Tyrus learning from watching, playing garbage time while working on development behind the scene’s I think he would be better today.
Insteady we had him overperforming the 2nd half of his rookie year then severely deflating the emotions as he hit the more expected when drafted bomb last year…
I think Vinny has done a great job bringing Tyrus along. If he just kept playing those major minutes when he wasn’t ready, he could have lost all confidence altogether. I think it’s a bit much to say Tyrus just needed to play to be very good, he needed to mature and observe and learn how to use his myriad of raw skills to his advantage….
I think he’s coming along well.
by majoyenrac on Mar 4, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he needed to play to be very good...
But he definitely needed to play to prove to everyone that he isn’t a bust. Sitting on the bench probably wasn’t doing much for his confidence either I’m sure.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
And if you look at where we have picked in years past (players that are no longer with this team, like Curry, Chandler, Fizer, Jay Williams, and way back to Brand) in the post Jordan years we have had too many chances to build through the draft. Obviously Rose is worth building around, and we have decent enough young guys next to him, we should be thinking about adding through free agency and trades only at this point. Another lottery guy would set us back as far as I’m concerned.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
does VDN insist of playing 9 guys in the first every dam game. I love the trades Pax made but you can see they only fucked up VDN even more. You see what this team can do with 7 players! They play well and win. MOst every team in the NBA has a set rotation and plan on actually only loosing 5-6 guys, not 9 in the first every game.
Thats why they made the DAM 6th man of the year award not the 9th man. Cause you play your 5 best guys until they explode then the 6th man comes in, not the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th man. I like the roster too but that doesnt mean ill play them all every night.
Last night TT was our leading scorer in the first, why the fuck would you take him out at all? I didnt see him huffing and puffing for air! I didnt see him hurt! If he is tired you take a timeout. Why does this dam tool insist on playing all 9 guys in a peroid. How can anyone get in a groove at all. Thats just bad coaching.
He should switch to grade school line-ups and play 5 guys 1 period then 5 diff guys the next. Atleast that would make more sense. Rather he ushers in a new player every 2 secs. He’s also pulling guys like BG for a little mistake here or there now. I cant stand this fucking guy. Yeah he deserves most of the blame.
I cant believe some swede guy above is trying to defend him or saying we blame him to much? Are you kidding? Go watch a game then come back and post. Sure the guys need to bring it more consistently, all teams do unless your named LA or Boston. Im not so sure about the playoffs,
I think we get 8th but imagine if we had a real coach, one with cred and knowledge of basketball and not one with knowledge of hair products.
Are the Bobcats really better than us? So it aint so….
by Bulls4Ever on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's "damn," not "dam"
I usually don’t comment on spelling/grammar, but if you’re going to capitalize it and repeat it . . .
(Also, if you’re going to properly spell the f-bombs, you should properly spell your other curses, just to be consistent.)
by arjoseph on Mar 4, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bite me man!
I hate people like you. Cant you go to some spelling and grammar blog. People like you make me sick! You actually took time out of your day to comment on another posters spelling and grammar? Get a life man…
I love this line “I usually don’t comment on spelling/grammar” Why start now..
In the future please dont read my posts so we dont have this little problem again.
You probably think VDn is doing a good job too…
by Bulls4Ever on Mar 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as I always say
questioning the use of one’s time is out the window the second you log in.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yfBB is just a pusher of the discussion forum drug. ;)
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
way to overreact guy
you sound balanced
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 4, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I usually don’t comment on spelling/grammar either
but I believe the proper spelling is mature, not machur.
Just kidding, bro so please don’t bite me.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 4, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, what a delightful little tangent!
I was actually getting annoyed by the “dam” as well, but mostly because you used it 800 billion times incorrectly. Pardon us for knowing how to spell. I mean, people are always being corrected on this blog. It’s what we do. But now that I think about it, maybe we should have known he couldn’t spell. His name is Bulls4ever…
by Unrealcity on Mar 5, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats just bad punctuation usage
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 5, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PJ used to pull 4 starters towards the end of the first period or start of the second,
leaving Scottie to be the facilitator (point forward) on the second unit. Of course, you need a player of Scottie’s quality for that to work well on a consistent basis.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Tayshawn Prince.
And who do we have like that … errrr … errrr …
yeeeeah.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Gray...
Or maybe Ruffin.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We traded Ruffin.
So I guess that only leaves us with Gray.
by Unrealcity on Mar 5, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would pay to see Gray bring the ball up.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 5, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only
if he did a few killer crossovers while bringing it up….then id definetly pay…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 5, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That last line is a cold hard slap in the face
Reality is pretty brutal. Gar Paxdorf you MUST find a real coach, this OFFSEASON.
by reprisal on Mar 4, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Golden State of Mind is just about as melodramatic as we are these days...
should be fun live blog. We should switch allegiances and root for each other’s teams. They even have Mad Libs!
The Bulls are coming off of an embarassing loss to the powerhouse that is the Charlotte Bobcats (who themselves are only 2 games out of the 8th spot). The Bulls lost last night 96-80. Ouch!
As always, I’m looking forward to seeing the opposing team’s players more than our own: Derrick. Rose.
It’s the Fill in the Blank Predictions
Warriors ____ by 8
Jackson records more than 20 _
Derrick Rose dunks on ______
Nellie yells “___________” at Anthony _______ Randolph
_ comments in this open thread
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
all that under “They even have Mad Libs!” should be in blockquote…curse you Windows!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 4, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Golden State can talk all they want; at least the Bulls never had one of their players injure themselves in the offseason with something completely unnecessary.
Oh wait, shit
by NittanyCub on Mar 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
We've lost Ben Gordon
if his play last night is any indicator.
Can we add Raja Bell to the season high against the Bulls docket? Be sure and add an asterisk that it was 18 first half and no second half points.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Mar 4, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's probably kind of pissed
that our offensive game plan is ‘run a bunch of isos’ when he could be shooting a billion threes Reggie Miller-style for his fat contract next year.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon isn't even beating the switches at this point
He’s better at getting by his man, then pulling up for a peak elevation jumper than he is trying his long stride, slow man’s attack of the rim that just gets blocked.
On the switches he can easily bait the big into fouling him. He just has to get by them, get them to chase him, then pull up for a jumper.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Mar 4, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree that we've lost Ben Gordon
but it has nothing to do with his play last night? Everyone keeps harping on him screwing up the 3 on 2 fastbreak but I think that just feeds Bullsblogger’s point that the Bulls don’t know who they should give the ball to on the break – Rose. I don’t think it was a selfish shot, he just didn’t know what to do with the ball and the spacing was terrible.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny's body language on that play
Lift his left arm, throw it down to his left hip, roll from his right shoulder down to his seat.
Bobcats had three men back. The only correct moves were keep the ball and attack the rim or pass it up court right away and go camp behind the arc to get it back. Gordon chose to shoot a running 14’ jumper.
Spacing or player handling the ball?
I always try to give Gordon the benefit of the doubt. He can score in bunches. I figure he’ll just make up for it later in the game. But once again, what compounds the net loss Ben Gordon can kill his team with is poor offense combined with atrocious defense. A good way to improve your defense is to leave the hottest shooter on the floor who isn’t a very good shooter to begin with and go help Rose when he doesn’t need help.
The bright side of all of this is we’ll get to say Vinny Del Negro ran Ben Gordon out of town when it’s more accurate to say Ben Gordon ran himself out of town. Maybe Fourth Gordon goes on a tear though to close the season.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Mar 4, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i don't get your point
i said Gordon made the wrong play. But guys make the wrong play all the time for the Bulls. Vinny’s body language is meaningless to me. The Bulls should have instructions to get the ball to Rose on the break every time. If they had those instructions, than I wouldn’t be watching Tyrus, Salmons, Hinrich and Gordon handling the ball on the break. I don’t think anything about that particular play signifies anything about Gordon’s relationship with the Bulls, VDN or anyone on the team. It was a bad play, but I don’t understand why you are acting as if it was so significant in a 20 pt blowout. When he makes those type of shots everyone says “wow, Gordon is shooting us back in the game.” If he misses “this proves Gordon only cares about himself.” With Gordon, it seems people’s judgment comes down to whether he makes the shot or not.
And I don’t think anyone is going to argue VDN ran Gordon out of town. I think most people who post here are pretty informed about the Gordon-Bulls situation, which began way before VDN was in the picture.
And no, it isn’t accurate to say Gordon ran himself out of town.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 4, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"With Gordon, it seems people’s judgment comes down to whether he makes the shot or not."
the sad reality is, that is exactly what gordons game is. People cant be blamed for thinking that because thats all you can think about gordon. He is only good to a team when he is consistantly hitting his shot, and thus why this site has a bg following, because he does hit more than he misses.
Ive always questioned that if we did land bosh, and d.rose did learn how to attack the rim d. wade style, then would ben gordons offense be worth as much….which brings us back to that whole contract argument.
I am not belittling gordons ability to score, but more of his future importance to the team.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 4, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about accuracy?
This is BlogABull!
VDN=Terry (Kerr Moron’s choice) Porter
VDN=Boy%@n
These players, except_____ are great! Pay Ben his money! Avery “The Screetch” Johnson would be just super in Rose’s ear (and head) 24/7! But man, I wish we could get Skiles back!
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
by marionette on Mar 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had D'Antoni.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 5, 2009 1:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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