I got 5 on it……

Shit maybe im just drunk, but good God I dont understand this madness!!!

There’s nothing left to say at this point. Rec Him!!

I am tired of watching and reading about Bulls games in which “crafty veteran X” gets >30 min and “young guy Y” gets < 20 min. Skiles, Boylan, and now VDN have done this with Tyrus, Thabo, and Noah (even Rose on occassion). Granted, VDN has played Tyrus and Rose significant minutes, but Tyrus only started getting minutes when Gooden was unavailable (hurt / traded). For some reason that’s happening to Noah now all over again, despite his measurable positive impact (cited many places on this thread and site).

It was a bit more understandable to me in past seasons, but still frustrating. There was the balance of trying to make the playoffs and developing the young guys – the implied trade off was “winning now” or “winning later” as if they were mutually exclusive.

Well, the future is now! Not only can we play the young guys and win, we must play the young guys to win. Brad Miller is best used in spurts – he isn’t going to be consistently effective with high minutes. Get what you can out of him and play Noah! (and Rose and Tyrus).

how did that happen? that is what I see in boxscore, he has seemingly turned it and I think he definitely deserves his mins on but 1 reb should never happen for him

didn’t watch game but I also agree that Noah should not be a benchwarmer, he does positive things on the court and needs playing time to continue to improve and gain confidence

but I feel compelled to say the following:

The Bulls are the worst end of game team in the entire f’ing league.

Bar none.

For example, against Miami, we gave away not one but two games with unforgiveably stupid turnovers on our final possession. On one occassion, VDN took out Derrick Rose so that Thabo Sefolosha could inbound the ball! On the other occassion, he set up a final play for…John Salmons! If you told me that in two separate close games the Bulls would have the ball with less than twenty-four seconds left on the game clock and would be unable to even ATTEMPT the final shot in either situation, I wouldn’t believe you. That is a special kind of incompetence.

Moreover, the Bulls apparently only have one play they can run at the end of games now. Rose gets the ball at the top of the circle. Ben Gordon stands near the three point line at one of the elbows. Rose dribbles towards Gordon. A forward sets a screen for Gordon, who cuts to the middle of the floor. Rose hands the ball off to Gordon. Gordon dribbles to the opposite elbow and tries to launch a shot over the longer forward who has inevitably switched on the screen.

Hey Vinny, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT PLAY IS COMING. That is why the forward always switches. Even when the play works, the success isn’t attributable to a good design. At the end of regulation against Toronto, Bosh read the play and switched to Gordon, but Gordon just made an incredibly difficult shot over his outstretched hands. Against Indiana last night, the same thing occurred, but Gordon couldn’t hit the miracle shot.

Well designed plays result in open looks or mismatches, not fade away jumpers over a taller, poximate defender from just inside the three point line.

I don’t know that I have ever seen a Bulls team (or any NBA team) which is less reliable on the offensive end of the floor in the final two minutes of the game.

God damn.

Charlotte just beat the Lakers…but at least there next game is against Boston.

Can I get a “FIRE VINNY” Jersey? I bet it would sell better than Curry’s and Noah’s jerseys combined.

Noah is second in total Win Score behind BG – but he’s played less than 2/3 of BG’s minutes. [He’s second [!!] in Offensive Win Score behind Gordon and second in Defensive behind TT.]

The stat you’re referring to is called Winshares, it was created by Justin Kubatko and uses Dean Oliver’s ORtg and DRtg to estimate wins produced, whereas Win Score is a linear weights metric used by David Berri that does not sum to wins, and is more or less useless outside of use as a quick and dirty measure of performance (like a watered down PER).

I think he’s also being misused when he does play. Here’s why: Joakim is a terrible player to run the pick and roll/pop. He’s not even a threat to shoot, so opposing bigs can just lag off him and cover Derrick. When he does roll, he often doesn’t look for the ball – a few times now, Rose has thrown him some terrific lobs and he hasn’t been ready. Noah would be wonderful if we was being positioned on the weakside in this scenario, where he could offensive rebound.

Underutilized and Misused. The subtitle for the last two years of Bulls basketball.

This should be common sense, right? Don’t put a player who can’t shoot and often doesn’t roll in the pick and roll? Put an offensive rebounder in position to offensive rebound?