Open Thread #76 OVERFLOW - Chicago Bulls at Indiana Pacers
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How long before Miller either fouls out
or dies of exhaustion?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Or is it when people realize there's an overflow thread?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 31, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, what a lucky break there
McRoberts blows the dunk, Hinrich 3
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dunk that derrick!
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Derrick is thinking about the wrist
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Derrick with the second missed layup in as many games. Jesus.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
Hello Vinny...
I am Joakim Noah your lottery draft pick that has been playing well lately. I am on your bench.
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
lol
+1
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 31, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Like Barkley in that commercial:Cmon Derrick-get some assists!!!
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Sir Paxdorf.
That's why playing hurt is a problem.
You have to believe Rose wouldn’t miss layups/dunks if his wrist was ok.
That was just a bad shot by Hinrich. You can't take that shot when there's no one underneat to hit the boards.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions
On Ford
why not? Anyone should be able to post him up.
oh i agree
but vinny will not exploit this again
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, Rose showed more post moves than our entire frontcourt
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that's your poing gaurd right there!
-Stacey King
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by chibullsfan03 on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hello Vinny, my name is Derrick Rose and I will be your post presence.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions
well now i've seen it all, brad
it just actually took you 3 seconds to throw a pass that began the moment you caught the ball
I'd just bench Gordon
Put Tyrus at SF.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
okay, so Granger can just jump into people and it's a foul
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions
What a fucking late whistle
This is just getting annoying now.
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::calls a travel::
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Hello Vinny,
my name is Tim Thomas and I have played too many minutes tonight. I heard you have a nice young defender named Noah on the bench.
I hate when refs wait to see if it goes in before they make the call...
it’s either a foul or it’s not
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that should have been a travel and on top of that the whistle was late.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
Rose gets pummeled
The whistles are tucked away. Fuck this shit.
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rose's gotta be more personable with the refs
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He shouldn't have to do shit
You get hurt, you get the call. No reason you have to be a 2 faced personality like MJ to get all the calls.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
true
but unfortunately the refs aren’t robots and i’m guys they like tend to get the benefit of the whistle from time to time, it’s just human nature.
and as we all know the NBA refs are as far from perfect as it gets in professional sports
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose gets hit and doesn't get a call
what a surprise
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick Rose is awesome.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
guys, that's why you yell same team
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
And Jarret Jack is boxing out our big men
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Nice pass Brad?
And one on an airball?
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It's like he refuses to believe that Noah can play
when they might have to score some points…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Even though we get killed on the boards with him out
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 31, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't understand what his problem is
he is a terrible coach though
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad faked everyone out
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
the pacers have gotten 5 straight plays where they got to the line
looks like they bet on the pacers today
YEAH!!!!
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Sir Paxdorf.
damnit
just give the ball to D-Rose and get the fuck outta his way.
Kirk.............you're killing me
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I hope Johnny Irish gets on the horn
and tells VDN to figure out how to close out a game lineup-wise…bc it’s gonna be real annoying if we blow this one.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Vinny's rotations are horrible.
He plays the same 5 guys for 20 straight minutes. No wonder the Bulls always lose in OT. They’re exhausted.
Let's not go that far
Skiles is a key reason we’ve been in this mess….with his stupid system and favoring his guys over talent….and development.
jesus Kirk come on.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
has Brad fouled out yet?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
Vinny makes me wish our players fouled out...
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Sir Paxdorf.
wtf wtf
Kirk misses 2, and Miller picks up his 5th foul while Noah watches from the bench.
Yay, Lakers losing by 9
Bulls basketball=where ulcers happen.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
we need to win this game....
it looks like charlotte is gonna beat the lakers.
Vinny laughs in your general direction
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
i can see him pointing at me right now.
by joetheplumber on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Just turned the game on
Ben Gordon 4-16?
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
blind refs
jesus
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apparently you can grab Rose's arm now
and it’s not a foul
TJ Ford just hooked Rose and no call
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course not
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk is not good at things.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Kirk
Played well tonight…..but yeah that stupid 3 pt shot where nobody was under the basket except what 4 Pacers…..and the stupid FT’s…..still Kirk was the only reason we really had a chance…
See my sig, apply to VDN coaching.
Also: oh shit! I almost missed this. Stupid “class”. Time to watch the HDTV. :P
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Great, Ben Gordon with another awesome decision
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nice pass Ben. Thanks for that.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
What is he claping about???Idiot!
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Is this team fucking blind?
Another worthless possession. Rose should have just taken that to the hoop.
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OMFG...
NOAH!!! HE IS STILL ON THE BENCH!!! OMFG
Someone please tell me why VDN i s clapping
our 24 second violation!
3 by Granger
This game is pathetic.
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are you fucking kidding me? a 24 second violation?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
Brad Miller with the 4 qtr minutes...
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
game over.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
I'm gonna kill the indiana radio announcer with his
“Baooooomm BABBYYY” at every shot…
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
we lose more god damned close games, I swear to Christ
Fire Vinny! For God’s sake Pax I’m begging you.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
aaaaand the bulls slip to 9th seed..
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
They're 2 games up on Charlotte
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
charlotte is getting ready to win though.
by joetheplumber on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
which makes up one game.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The refereeing in this game has been atrocious
as has VDN. Pissed off
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
This is what happens when your coach runs no real plays
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
You can diagram plays all day
but then you’d be called a coach. Real coaches expects players to make plays and get stops with no planning how to do it.
Miller still in with 5 fouls
meanwhile Pacers are running up and down and getting offensive rebounds.
with D'Antoni we'd have 45 - 50 wins by now!
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
oh hi BG
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Derrick.. if you've got an open lane.... dunk it hard. no layup!
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
same play as sunday
if you want to call it a play
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BG hits a shot, except the Bulls still don't know how to defend
Or box out. So yeah, go Ben.
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Vinny looks like he's going to cry.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions
Why did Neil Funk say, "Nah, Nah, Nah" when King asked him if he liked that last shot?
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what the hell doesVinny do during the timeouts for the first 10 seconds with his assistants? WTF?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
he says stuff like:
’i really love Kurt…I really do. I want to adopt him someday. Del, will you help me?"
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
mother. fucker.
that was actually good defense by rose… but that little bastard jst hit a hell of a shot
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't particularly good defense
Rose was backpedaling, scared of Ford’s drive.
Ford made the shot look harder (and be harder) than it was by fading away.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yesss an ice-cold Noah is back in now
This is a perfect Vinny loss right here.
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Damn, Ford..........
How the fuck do you make that shot?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Vinny loses another game for the Bulls...
that is the 2nd in Indiana this year he lost for us
Well, game over
Great job Vinny.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
lets see the brilliant play VDN runs
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The bulls have plenty of time to run an offensive play
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I say go Gordon for three for the win at the buzzer.
Don’t mess around in Indiana. Try to steal the win right here.
Kirk three as plan B. Tim Thomas 3 as plan C.
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TJ Ford
marginal NBA defeats our team…I mean beats VDN
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
TYRUS COULD CAUGHT THAT
FUCK YOU BRAD MILLER
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LULZ at Miller being back in
for Noah
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This team DESERVES to miss the playoffs
But on the plus side we don’t have to deal with this shit for another 6 months.
by SickeyDimpkins on Mar 31, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK YOU VINNY!!!!!FUCK YOU!!FUCK YOU!!!!!!IDIOT!!!FUCK!!!
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Sir Paxdorf.
Tyrus had that for the dunk, but Brad fucked him up.
God damn it Vinny you fucking suck.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
Missing the 2 free throws wasn't good.
The drive into 4 Pacers wasn’t great either given that on the road he’s not getting a call.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If by Kirk you mean Gordon
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
you’re an idiot if you watched that game, and your conclusion is that Kirk was the reason the Bulls lost.
gordon had 2 bigger turovers
not to mention getting the most minutes and going 0-6 from three
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Rose blew opportunities too
as did every other Bulls player. Why is Hinrichs’s worse?
Yibs with a "whose is bigger" classic.
Thanks, I needed that.
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Gordon had a -13
in his 44 minutes of playing time. That means the Bulls were +11 in the 4 minutes he didn’t play. 0-6 from 3 point land.
Meanwhile, Hinrich was 8-13 from the field, 2-3 from 3 point range, and you actually want to pin the loss on him.
This happens to Ben all the time.
And you participated in it back then. Goes around comes around. No matter how good you play what you do in the last two minutes counts more to people. Kirk made a series of mistakes those last few minutes. He is going to be called out for it now. It is the way of the fandom.
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Happens to other players all the time.
Miss two free throws in crunch time and expect to be roasted. Kirk isn’t immune.
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That's true - people tend to look for the big mistake toward the end of the game
It’s not any more valid than blaming BG when he missed the one, or Derrick for missing the layup, but it’s to be expected.
I’m sure he’s kicking himself for not making at least one, too.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I'm not blaming it all on him I never blame one player
And only saw the 2nd half.
I’m saying there are part in a game that can halt momentum.
First he took the ball out when the clock was going down and passed it to gordon with 2 second left.
Then he shot a 3 pointer that I thought he should of pulled back out.
He was fairly predictable to the guards of the Pacers in the end where he’d turn and bring up the ball and they’d easily strip him.
He bounced a rebound out of bounds.
Then he drove in missed a lay up.
After all of that then he missed the 2 FTs.
It happens I’m not saying “Burn him” just at the end things didn’t seem to go his way and that killed us to me.
Though I do hope that some are a bit more mature with their comments. The Bulls lost sure its not the end of the world. Maybe your world but everything will be ok.
Those are classic Kirk moments
But, at the end of the day, they lost because they just can’t defend anyone. Brad Miller, as much as he brings, is even worse than Drew Gooden on defense. Ben Gordon couldn’t find his shot today, and played the whole 4th while Noah sat on the bench. These are things, that if you address, you could win the game.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Noah sitting has passed ridiculous.
Wish Brad would pull Vinny aside and point out that he’s not exactly effective when he’s completely out of gas at the end of games. Even if Vinny feels better playing the vet in the closing minutes, it makes no sense at all not to play Joakim for much of the second half and have Brad fresh.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
or why not put them together
that worked earlier… i wanted to see atleast for a point brad, noah, and tyrus
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Yeah, they have played well together.
I didn’t mean to imply, by the way, that I think Vinny’s right about systematically not playing Joakim to end games – I think I heard him say that, and it just makes no sense to me.
It’s not even like there’s an actual minutes crunch to keep Jo’s numbers down – he played only 20 minutes in a game where Vinny only used 7 guys, including one with a bad back?
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yea no.. i get it
especilly with everyone outrebounding us… why take away ur best rebounding option?
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We did similar to Joe Smith back in the day.
I liked Smith, but you have to realize where he is in his career. Get the young guy out there.
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Yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh
Count in Salmons not being there and with Gordon shooting bad he probably felt he had to compensate.
I’m not trying to make him public enemy or anything. I really think a lot of those were bad luck but it happened to Kirk so I just said “Kirk killed us”. I should of known I would of gotten this many responses heh. I went to get a glass of water and theres like 150 new comments.
But its like we can never defend we know. So those possessions that we got nothing I think Indy scored around 75% of the time there. Again some of those bad luck some bad decisions.
To me we know Gordon is struggling everyone has bad shooting days-we know we can’t play D and we come in the 4th knowing it. And of course the Vinny factor…saying he killed us has pretty much become redundant. It is like a handicap but we work with it so often.
But Kirk has the ability to impact the game in a few more areas than Gordon can. And to me they go unnoticed sometimes. Like that three pointer on the break thats actually debatable but a lot of times Kirk will pull that one out with our lead. He missed and the Pacers got back and were able to fast break right back. Then next was the turnover for another fast break then I think the FTs then I think a shot clock violation which wasn’t all on him.
Not saying put it all on Kirk at all or mad at him because he had a load to carry . Those things happen I just thought those plays gave Indy that last push to win.
(though I thought Noah was injured)
Don't worry.
117 of those new comments were the Mr. Bungles convo. You didn’t miss much. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
you really kept track of all of that?
I think you’re trying too hard
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 31, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm I just have a good memory its a curse. It wasn’t that I’m looking to find a way to kick Kirk.
Gordon stayed cold he was actually the one who passed it to Hinrich for that three on the break. At the time I was cursing at both.
And he had that turnover late. But mostly it seemed he stayed clear not trying to force anything. (which was kinda good since Vinny wouldn’t take him out and no one really to put in for him) But Vinny was likely hoping he’d bail us out if something happened in the end.
I could probably recall a lot of the last quarter if someone missed it.
Tyrus was actually pretty level again.
But all this is only reference to the 4th quarter.
"Mr. Clutch"
"Whenever Kirk/Ben are in together. Kirk turns into a crappy player, because he tries to freeze Gordon out of the offense." - Andrew7
so what. a forced airball by BG?
i had the radio comments..
FUCK YOU VINNY DEL NERDO!!!! FUCK THIS SHIT!
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
Brad Miller set a crappy screen.
So Granger just picked up Gordon and had tight defense. Gordon had no options but to shoot. Gordon pushed off with his left arm on Granger and shot up a fade away. Tyrus Thomas would have had the putback dunk but Brad Miller barrelled into him.
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actually Gordon had two options. it was clear from the replay that Tyrus or Brad Miller was open
near the bucket. He could have passed it to either of them.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that, go for the win
They weren’t going to win in overtime anyways. Gordon puts us out of our misery either way.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
his shot wasn't a three pointer anyway, might as well go for a higher percentage shot
- which was available – rather than forcing up a long contested two pointer.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, he had just tied the game, he hit a big shot the last game...
I’ll give BG a pass on this one
I'm just saying there were two open bigs under the bucket and he instead chose
to hoist a highly contested 2 point jumper.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
game didnt have to be at that point
if he played defense with any effort tonight… and if he makes the shots that he’s supposed to make… i think he had the most attempts other than rose and ended up with like 10 points and 0-6 from three
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Who is giving him the minutes? What's his job?
Blame Vinny for leaving Ben in. Gordon had a horrible game, but he was just trying to play out of a slump. Benching him would have been the sane move.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
oh i agree
but then we’d be dealing with the why didnt BG get more minutes… i wanted to see rose, kirk, tyrus, noah, and miller… ud think vinny would atleast try it out.
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
Heh - We don't want people to bitch about Ben's minutes
so let’s play him 44 even though his shot is off. We’ve got Joakim hard-capped at 20 anyway, so there’ll be plenty of time for the guards.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Well, Tyrus was going to catch it and dunk,
but somebody coughMIllercough ran into him. SOMEBODY.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
There's nothing like seeing the Mopester mope his mopey ass way down the mopey locker room
The best mopey Iowan money can buy, ladies and gentlemen.
Either Tyrus or Noah
could have put that back.
Thank you Ben for going for the win
I did not want to watch 5 more minutes of that weak shit. This team doesn’t even bother to feign interest in defense. I hope they lose to Cleveland by 50 for all 4 games so Vinny gets his ass canned.
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i think we can all agree that the ultimate goal for this season is to set something in motion that results in vinny's firing
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't go for the win. He was just within the line.
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Meh. No one to blame with Vinny. It has to be on the coach when the defense is that bad.
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Well this one sucks
I always feel really bad for the guys in games like this, to come away with the loss.
Still, this one was on the road, they’ve got a few days to get healthy now….
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
This outta do wonders
for Derrick’s confidence…thanks a lot Vinny.
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why is Rose even guarding Ford?
What the hell do we have Kirk Hinrich for? This is the same crap that happened last game. Hinrich is guarding some guy on the perimeter who is not going to get the ball and VDN has Rose on the team’s biggest opposing threat.
VDN is a terrible coach and he should be fired. If we grab any defensive rebounds down the stretch we win this game. Of course, VDN has our best rebounder on the bench. The guy is hopeless as a coach and should be fired immediately after the season. I don’t care if the Bulls make the playoffs or not.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions
Hinrich sucks at guarding Ford as well, it makes no difference
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather see Derrick get the experience of guarding someone like Ford
Maybe he’ll learn from it.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
he is still a better defender than Rose. I'm not just talking about the final play
Rose was on Ford the entire 4th quarter when you knew Indiana was going to him. The bulls were playing 2 other small guards as well. Someone other than Rose could have been guarding Ford the last 8 minutes of this game.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
yea but ud end up
with rose on granger. like rose on marion before
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hinirch was guarding brandon Rush
Gordon was on Jarret Jack. Are you guys even watching the game?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It changed
constantly. Hinrich was on Granger the final play.
no he wasn't
the pacers had jack, rush, ford, Granger and Murphy in the game. Tyrus was guarding granger. You are wrong.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i can't believe so many people are objecting to having our best defensive guard
on the other teams biggest opposing threat. My mistake for pointing that out. I mean, it wasn’t like the Pacers ran the last 4 or 5 plays in a row for TJ ford.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yea with tyrus on granger
it makes more sense to have kirk on ford and rose on jack or rush
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Sorry
I like Tyrus, I really do, but Tyrus ain’t our best defender. He has the most skills to be, but he’s hardly consistent and falls alseep far to often for my liking…..though when he’s locked in, he tends to remain locked in for a few games at a time (it’s been a while).
Tyrus can't guard people who can shoot threes.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
And Tyrus
Often seems to forget to rotate or help close the paint when a guard drives….not consistent there either.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
im saying if
kirk gaurded ford, then that would mean either derrick or BG on granger.. just like marion was being gaurded by rose, cause kirk was better on calerdon
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That's not even a play...
it’s the same thing they ran the last possession and on Sunday. Inbound it to Ben and hope he makes it.
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I'd be laughing too if I had Vinny as my coach
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by gobulls1124 on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am laughing hysterically too
don’t blame TT for laughing at how retarded Vinny is
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I commented on that shit before in another game where Tyrus did that and was slammed
on this site for daring to bring such a thing up.
I've taken a bit of shit for pointing such things out too
But I don’t care. It rubs me the wrong way. Big time.
yeah if Brad Miller hadn't been in the god damned way.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
BG was horrible tonight
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I'm going to go ahead and say I've finally had it with this team. Send them to lotto and give Vinny his fucking pink slip already.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
He won't get fired, though
That’s the problem. At least give us some damn playoff games for all this agony.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
Couldn’t that add to the agaony
by SickeyDimpkins on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I don't expect them to win a single game
It’d just be fun to see Rose on national TV, go to Games 3 and 4.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If we blow the playoffs down the stretch with what has been universally regarded as an easy, home heavy schedule
then I think that they might pink slip him. Or maybe someone would just punch him in the mouth on the street and force the organization’s hand.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol, I'd chip in for a fast, mean
uncontrolable motorcycle for Vinny… ;)
Paxson said that he was going to watch how these last 10 games or so go.
If the Bulls miss the playoffs, Vinny is fired. I think even if the Bulls do make the playoffs and Vinny has a sub .500 record, unless he wins a playoff series, he should be fired. I sent the .500 challenge to Vinny a few weeks ago, and he needs to go 5-1 to meet it. I don’t think he will do that.
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when did he say this? can I get a quote? I can't believe he would so brazenly say playoffs or pink slip
about Vinny. Do you have anything to substantiate this at all?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
uh that is not how tie breakers work
charlotte is 2 wins behind the bulls.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
so being one game back is the same as being effectively tied.
i see.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
cha beat lakers tonight
is that factored in?
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Well If charlotte wins all of the their remaining games and the Bulls lose 1 Charlotte
wins so effectively they are tied right now.
That's the most bizarre statement ever.
If the season ended right now, the Bulls are in the playoffs. You can’t imagine games that haven’t happened and apply what you think might happen in the future to the present.
The Bulls do not have as big of a lead as they had before today. They are not presently tied.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
The Bulls and Charlotte both have 40 losses and Charlotte owns the tiebreaker.
That means if both teams win the rest of their games Charlotte makes the playoffs. Is that so hard to understand?
you do realize the odds of either team winning all their games from here on out
is infinitely small. We have an easier schedule. Granted, Vinny sucks and we might still blow it. But your premise is just silly.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How about this...
you say they have the same amount of losses, but you neglect to look at the number of wins that they both have. The Bulls have more, and since both are below .500 teams, the odds are that the Bobcats will lose more of their remaining games than they will win. Same goes for the Bulls, but the Bulls already have more wins, so we can expect them to finish with more wins than the Bobcats. See, that was easy. You don’t understand how standings work.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Here maybe this will make it clearer.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will answer for Mr.Bungle:
Thank you!
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
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Wait a minute
If Charlotte wins all the remaining games…
And Miami looses every games left, except, hmmm, let’s say… three… they get the same win %. 42 -40 record.
So… they are on a tie, right now!!
hahahaha, funny Mr, this Mr. Bungle
;-)
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
You don't understand the concept of a tie
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and the same number of losses. If Charlotte wins the rest of their games,
it doesn’t matter what the Bulls do. Note, I am not commenting on the probability that Charlotte wins the rest of their games. I am just syaing the two teams are effectively tied right now.
The bulls only have more wins beacuse they have played more games
than Charlotte. Like I said before if both teams win the rest of their games the Bulls don’t make the playoffs. This is a fact. If you don;t believe me check the standings. The Bulls are not one game ahead of Charlotte but are if fact tied.
here.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets see if the Bulls wions they rest of there games they will be
42-40. If Charlotte wins the rest of their games they will be 42-40.
Who makes the playoff if that happens? ’Im guessing most of you don;t know what effectively means.
the point is that effectively doesn't matter
standings are constructed based on records and it’s more likely that Charlotte will continue to win at their current win % and that the Bulls will continue to win at their current win % than either of them winning all their games. That’s why we have standings, you boob.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is that if Charkotte wins all of their remaining games
while the Bulls lose 1 of their remaining games. Charlotte makes the playoffs. So how can you say the Bulls are not effectively tied with Charlotte?
because that's not how things work in the real world.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
see the next comment, it should appeal more to your
taste for ridiculous hypotheticals.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
because on the flip side, if both teams lost all of their
remaining games. The Bulls have two more wins than the Bobs and they go to the playoffs. See how that’s NOT a tie? That’s why we use win % and have standings which ESPN is kind enough to post and I’m king enough to paste here to show you how you’re being dense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
kind* not king
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
because dumbass
the chances of Charlotte winning all their games when they play -
@ Boston
Miami
@ Detroit
Philadelphia
@ OKC
@ Chicago
@ New Jersey
@ Orlando
is so small to be meaningless. You are just giving them 2 wins against Boston and Miami, as if them winning both games is the most likely scenario. It isn’t.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
in fact, given their schedule
and the fact that they have 6 road games, 2 home games, and play 6 teams fighting for playoff positioning, I think the chances of them winning 8 straight are basically nil.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Look Eintstein, the probablity of Charlotte
winning the rest of their games has no bearing on
how many games ahead or behind they are right now. This is called a an appeal to probability fallacy.
oh, sweet, sweet irony.
Look Eintstein,
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And that would be one game ahead right now
Apparently the accepted definition of “tie” has no bearing on your argument either.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
you're not using logic, because if you were
you’d make the logical corollary of your argument out in your head. If both teams LOST all of their remaining games rather than WINNING all of their remaining games, then the Bulls have TWO more wins, so they go to the playoffs, so you see they are NOT tied. Got it?
The fact that they’ve played an uneven number of games is why we look at winning percentage and have standings in the first damned place. You are a boob.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
the probability of them winning their games
has a direct effect on whether we consider them tied or not. That is why there is this thing called “win percentage” included in the standings.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
They are not tied,
because one team is beating the other team.
In Game Theory [or any game] there are three states a game can be in at any point in time: you can be winning, you can be losing, or you can be tied. It is not possible for us to be tied with Charlotte because they won the season series, and we have won more games than them. So we are currently beating Charlotte: we are currently winning.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
games that haven't been played
…since the result is unknown, count as 0.5. Hence you are wrong.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 31, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Your first 3 sentences are factual
They do not lead to your 4th sentence.
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Are you trolling?seriously...
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you're the one that doesn't understand them. just scroll up.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i think we have a game aganist cha coming up too
that will be huge now.. hopefully salmons is back by then
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Well, see, if you'd actually said that the Bulls and Bobcats are
presently even in the loss column, people wouldn’t be telling you that you’re wrong.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
The Bulls are one game ahead of Charlotte and since Charlotte owns the tiebreaker
they are effectively tied. Really, is this concept so hard to understand? I;m guessing most of you guys aren’t rocket scientists.
I'm guessing neither are you
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
this ones a lost cause
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Common sense was raped in this thread
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I've shown you twice. Just look up. Dumbass.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
you're an idiot.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
here, let's try this again, pal:
because on the flip side, if both teams lost all of their
remaining games. The Bulls have two more wins than the Bobs and they go to the playoffs. See how that’s NOT a tie? That’s why we use win % and have standings which ESPN is kind enough to post and I’m kind enough to paste here to show you how you’re being dense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
because I'm right, and I like ridiculing him for being a pea-brain.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You are using a definition of "tie" that the rest of the
sporting world does not recognize as valid.
But I will give you credit for making me laugh out loud, when I could have sworn that wouldn’t happen tonight after the game ended. So thanks for the humor, if nothing else.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
No, 12 people shouldn't have to spoon feed you logic
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me try again...
Charlotte has played two fewer games than Chicago. Since the results are unknown (by definition, since the games haven’t been played!), we assume they are 0.5 games behind Chicago for each unplayed game. Therefore Char is 0.5*2 = 1 game behind Chicago in the standings. You are right that they have the same number of losses, but that doesn’t mean they are tied in the standings.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 31, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay guys, I was off by half a game. The Bulls magic number is 7
while Charlotte is 8. I am just pissed about the game that we should have won.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
surely not. I'm pissed too, that's probably why I was so nasty.
So we both get a pass. :)
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, you get credit for coming back with the "my bad"
Honestly, had it been me, I’d have started fresh with a new screen name. ;)
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So they don't have to be actually tied to be penalized by the tiebreaker?
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You can't see the future.
They are not tied until they are tied. They may never be tied. It might mean bananas when all is said and done.
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No use getting your undies in a bun before it even happens.
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Tyrus Thomas was laughing and gave T.J. Ford a high five after the game. WTF?
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what do you expect?
Tyrus played 31 minutes and only had 2 rebounds. He doesn’t get it.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
stop being an idiot...
he was guarding Granger and Murphy a lot who both hang out on the perimeter
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
wait, its acceptable for a starting power forward to get 2 rebounds in 31 minutes
with Tyrus’s athletcism? That makes me an idiot. Give me a fucking break and get your head out of your ass. That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Rose and Hinrich were guarding guys who play on the perimeter as well. Rose had 11 rebounds, Hinrich had 7. Tim Thomas, guarding those same guys, had 5 rebounds in 30 minutes. If Tyrus can’t pull down rebounds, especially when we are getting killed on the offensive boards, than why is he out there?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He did...
But he’s ON THE OTHER TEAM!
You don’t fricking Hi5 the guy who hit the game-winner against you!
(Or perhaps you do in America? I’m Norwegian… :P )
Maybe he swatted him really hard.
And it stung a little?
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Dude, I was joking.
I didn’t like him so happy at the end of bad game either. Chill.
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I knew you were joking cran.
Hence the lol ;)
so tiny I missed it
I saw the stfu and :P . Do Norwegians stick their tongues out in a friendly fashion?
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Under certain situations. :)
This one and others which we probably should not discuss on this site…
Apparently I care more about this loss
than some of the Bulls players and there is just something fundamentally wrong with that.
I'd fine him! ;)
Perhaps I overreact. It’s just really odd to me. Hi5-ing the opponent and being all smiles after a close loss. I’d be PO’ed myself.
A man-hug is common nowadays
But, I agree 100%. Then again, this is just another game for Tyrus, they all probably blend in for him. Us? We spend hours over analyzing and backseat coaching, he is going to take a shower, go home and chill out.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they play alot of games.
To me every loss hurts.
Guess it’s just “Easy money” to Tyrus, eh?
at this point I imagine its the same feeling we would get after losing a pickup game
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 31, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Uhmmm, I’m pretty competitive and don’t like losing pick-up games either… ;) ( I was captain (PG) on my team and that S*** don’t fly!)
But sure, i see your analogy.
maybe they were hi-fiving at the fact that
Tyrus had a major chance to tie the game on a putback dunk and answer to Ford, but, commically enough, Brad Miller happened to bump into him to avoid this…
They might have been joking about it and smiled, and then hi-fived cause they know each other outside of the b-ball world.
That’s what i thought when i “read” about this event. I had the game on the radio only, so i can’t really tell..
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
are you here to pick apart everyones stats?
jack and ford were driving ALL night thus bringing some easy boards for rose and heinrich. Don’t just find players to bitch about every time we lose. Sometimes it is the coaches fault.
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry I expect our power forward to get more than 2 rebounds in 31 minutes
I didn’t know picking apart everyone stats amounted to pointing out a deficiency in one person’s game. I promise to not look at stats or any other thing that shows if the players are or aren’t weren’t playing well.
And if you read around, I’m blasting VDN for this loss too. But your starting power forward, who has supreme athleticism, should never finish an NBA game with only 2 rebounds. If you can’t see that than, I have nothing nice to say to you…
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 31, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
1 rebound, even....
Our starting PG lead our teamin rebounds! How weird is that?
Troy Murphy
Often hovers around the perimter, is only 1/10th of the athlete as Tyrus and grabs a bunch of boards….Tyrus’s lack of rebounds, especially in a game where we were short handed was apalling….I am a big Tyrus supporter, but come on now, there’s no reason he should be sig outrebounded by the Pacers….
Eh...a 20 point game will look good in the game log when Raptors/Suns are looking over him.
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Quite honestly,
I think you guys are making too large a deal out of this. I play D1 sports…if my team loses, then I put on a brave face, go over, am a good sport and congratulate them. And, as soon as I don’t see them anymore, I’m sullen for hours because I HATE losing. You never know how people actually react.
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Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Mar 31, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How vinny is gonna explain not playing Noah?Rhytm?
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he has played a lot the last 7 games
will be his excuse
by i_like_turtles on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He wanted to see Miller kick the bucket more like it.
That is what I thought I was going to see at least.
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So....
- No Win
- No Rose Tripple Double
- No Rose Career High Scoring
——> No Fucking Way to Cope with the following days until next hopeful win!
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
That last part does really suck
Three whole days off to dwell on back to back road losses that were so close to wins?
I know the guys need time off to rest all those aches and pains, but I need a good win to get over it! I guess I’ll have to hope for a bad loss for the teams around us, but it’s not the same.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Noah has had lots of rest. :(
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Yeah, sadly. I wish they made an uber frowny face.
I guess that should read “all the guys but Joakim…”
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I actually thought it was good defense by Derrick that last possession.
TJ Ford just made a ridiculous shot.
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nothing more Rose could do
I was worried they were going to bail Ford out with a foul
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 31, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the 2 minutes before that
That were freaking ridiculously awful….you knew they were going to hit that shot and knew the 2-8 in OT and who knows how bad in last second shot attempt Bulls were going to lose..
i wonder what the Bulls' FG% is when trailing, with the ball, in a one-possession game
if i were to guess, i’d say they’re 3-22 or something… i wish we could find this out
vinny is "happy the way we hung in there"
“we played hard, happy for that”
“grangers tough”
what a dweeb. Go play a game of go hide and fuck yourself, Vinny.
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
It has never been his fault.
Has he ever once accepted blame for anything? Seriously. Rose is a rookie too and he can see his own flaws and point them out. Vinny does no wrong I guess.
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Get rid of Hinrich and Gordon
Both fit poorly next to Rose, especially Kirk . Kirk has cost us the last 2 games by taking and clanking quick threes. NO excuses and Rose’s missed layup again is responsible for our loss. Unbelievable dunk the fucking ball, Rose needs to stop blowing it at the end of games. As for BG i hate watching him, that wasn’t even a three he bricked at the end of the game!
kirk played wayy better than gordon tonight
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
what did Gordon do better than Kirk tonight?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
nothing, I didn't say he did
…but SHOOTING was the only thing that Kirk did better than Ben
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
oh well I'd go with rebounding and passing since Kirk had 7 assists and 7 boards
to Gordon’s 2 boards and 2 assists. So I’d say that Kirk did just about everything better than Ben tonight.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He did everything better, it's not even funny
Of course, they’re not in competition, so why do Bulls fans insist on playing this game?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
assists, rebounds, steals and points aand 3 points... kirk was better
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
this is out of hand
kirk costs us our last two games?
you mean our 6’3" SF? really?
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 31, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
he probably figured that
hed no longer would have to gaurd the best gaurds on the opposing teams.. but now is expected to gaurd an allstar forward
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
gotta get him ready for playoffs (knock on wood)
somebody’s gotta guard Lebron right?
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 31, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
haha soo true
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
And another thing-
why the fuck isn’t Noah playing more?
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Fanshot being thought up.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Be sure to note that Vinny's benching him
when our numbers are already stretched thin, and further, he (Vinny) has been whining in the press about our lack of defense.
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It's my first one,
so it probably sucks.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
I keep remembering how you said this trade was a bad thing
The incompetence of Del Negro is proving you right 2 games in a row.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I said last night they would find away to lose this one.
They can’t beat bottom feeders. Glad I didn’t watch it.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I thought they'd lose this one to
Of course they were up by 7 or so and I made the mistake of letting myself think: “Hey, maybe they’ll win this one after all.”
by SickeyDimpkins on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure Fire Formula for Defeat.
Mix one part one or two possesion game
Add VDN special coaching sauce
Mix thoroughly together
EQUALS
guarenteed defeat AGAIN
Why does Bulls Management continue to serve up the same old slop from their limited menu knowing this unsavory dish is almost impossible to digest and makes all their fans want to throw up?
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GAHHHHH
I’ve been on the cusp, but FIRE VINNY.
What the hell. Where was Tyrus tonight, 1 freaking rebound? You have to be kidding me….I know he scored a bit, but 1 FREAKING REBOUND!
I can’t believe that one. I can’t believe we could lose this.
FIRE VINNY IMMEDIATELY. I know we’re injured, but no excuses after completely blowing that.
what is, right now, your first natural reaction when you see this?
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
don't ever do that again. I almost put my fist through my laptop screen.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Damn
The only pic that would upset my stomach more would be one of Jerry Reinsdorf.
by SickeyDimpkins on Mar 31, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
With a 7 man rotation can anyone explain the logic of playing Noah and TT only 51 minutes?
and TiT 30 minutes? If they were going to use him, why was he not in to help rebounding at the end? Other thorns in my side
—Our tiny lineup enabled the Pacers to grab an offensive rebound which resulted in the game winner by Ford who was exploiting Derrick. Why not put a bigger body on him since everyone in the building knew he would try to penetrate against him. The Raptors utilized Bosch to stop our guards in crunch time yesterday and it worked.
—How is it possible that D Rose puts up 21 shots and grabs 11 boards, yet only goes to the foul line ONCE? anyone?
—After taking heat for having no end of game plays other than Rose Iso’s earlier in the year, Vinny has gone to plan B, by having Ben fire up a shot no matter how crazy regardless of the situation. Makes total sense I guess. Especially when Rose was 12 for 21, Tyrus 7 for 11 and Kirk 8 for 13……which is 27 for 45 (.600). Did I mention Ben was 5 for 18 (.278)?
Also our resident genius failed to save a timeout so the Bulls could set up at half court instead of having less than 4 seconds to go the length of the floor.
—and finally can anyone, anyone, anyone present one solid reason why VinnyNotSoSmart and his assistants should not be given their pink slips as soon as the season ends? Anyone?
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 31, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Noah
Will be hurt too…..fucking bull shit.
I don’t know what the F was Tyrus’s problem tonight…..I mean athletic freaks who have shown a good ability to get rebounds, should have had a field day against the Pacers. I know Murphy’s a strangely very good rebounder, but come on now….fucking unbelievable.
Tyrus was in some foul trouble
So I don’t think the 31 minutes there is a huge issue. Unless it turns out Joakim also has a groin issue a la Salmons not closing out the last game, I want to hear what convoluted explanation Vinny comes up with for that one.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
There is no explanation....Vinny simply has no clue whatsoever
I’m dead serious when I say that. I know we’re all frustrated, but we’re 70 plus games into the season now. No one will convince me he’s applying a plan that just happens to be backfiring regularly. If he had a plan, I’d at least be able to criticize the plan and suggest he come up with another one….but that’s just it….there is no FREACKN’ plan.
i wish there was a way to put into words how hopeless the Bulls are in these kinds of situations...
we need to figure out the stats on game-ending possessions in which the Bulls had the chance to either win or tie. there’s no doubt that it would have to be the single worst of all-time for a season.
i would also like to see the total number of passes on all of those possessions. if we’ve had say 25 of them, i’d be shocked if we’ve eclipsed 30 passes.
i hope somebody in chicago right now is making a documentary on the worst coaching season on all time
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Scotter
Please read this.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Tyrus had 3 fouls early in the 2nd quarter so he was pulled
His minutes weren’t the issue, and honestly they haven’t been a problem for a while because Tim Thomas just sucks really badly, and Vinny is terrified of Vinny and Brad in at the same time.
Going into the 4th they were up 3, I figured they would lose the game, and that BG and Miller would play the entire quarter. Vinny proved me right, Noah played the last 30 seconds of the game, and blah.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This one is telling all we need to know...
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
The force didn't help him in this game. He should stop trying.
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Bickerstaff
Better get canned too. Fire Vinny, Fire Bernie. Vinny for all the what the f moments (no Noah, keeping an ambivalent Tyrus out there—get him to get some boards…..
But our D is a joke, an absolute joke, especially with our athletes….Bernie allegedly is the defensive coach….what the f is he doing? I see some offense, not always pretty but when it is it’s good, but I’ve never seen any D, and Rose hasn’t gotten an ounce better….and yet allegedly Bickerstaff is most focused on D….
by majoyenrac on Mar 31, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, with the coaching exp we have on the bench (excluding the obvious)
It’s really incredible we’re so poorly coached in all aspects of the game.
Well
We oddly know how to throw the ball away, shoot 5 horrible shots in a row, or forget there’s a 24 second shot clock to close out games….
But then again the Pacers are perhaps the best defense in the league….
Del: Vinny, I think we should put Joakim out there - on the floor.
Vinny: You mean play him? Like in the game?
Del: Yeah, ‘cause you see how Brad looks like he’s about to fall over dead? Might be a good substitution…
Vinny: Hmmmmmmmmm. So what you’re saying is we should play Joakim? I’ll need to think about that for a minute….
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
While Vinny is taking a minute to think about it, guess what? The game just ended and the
Bulls genius has coughed up another sure victory.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 31, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Dal Harris's timing is just off,
he tells VDN when there’s only a minute left in the game. And VDN keeps his word.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
really wanna go with smart?
at least smart got the job done in the end
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
yea cept vinny
only has 3 of those
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
go go gadget..bench noah
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
"So.... my plan to sit noah didn't work??"
DRose is gonna carry us into the playoffs and take it to another level from there...
Coach Sh*tino ?
He sucked as an NBA coach.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
3 quick steps to get the Bulls back on track
- Fire Vinny
- Fire Vinny
- Fire Vinny
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
seems to be some expensive steps though
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
May I just add to Ozzie's comments
Fire Vinny to the 20th power.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 31, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
GOD
I am still so pissed. Seriously how many freaking injuries have we had?
Kirk out 31 games. Rose playing with a bad wrist. Kirk played injured. Luol might as well give his money back to the city this year, Tim Thomas looked really good his first 2 games for us then got hurt, then seemed to get back only to hurt his back 2 plays in….Salmons is hurt. BG missed some time early this year….Nocioni was hurt all year….
It just fucking sucks. Those injuries are going to be the excuse to not fire Vinny……or Bernie. I’m fine with Harris, he’s the one who I think has implemented some offense…..just that Vinny hasn’t shown a way to close out a game and Bickerstaff has to be implementing the worst defense ever. We played NONE for 2 months, then started this zone at times, saw that was better than the chickens with their heads cut off, so we used that for 20 minutes at a time, and then started the switch, switch switch. So you are Tim Duncan eh, Mr. Fundamental, take some 6 foot Kirk Hinrich D, boo yah.
Awful. I can’t believe it we’re not going to make the frigging playoffs.
I’ve been patient, I’ve been insanely positive, I’ve wanted to like this team. I like the players…..I AM SO BEYOND PISSED WITH THIS STUPID FUCKING ORG.
I’m having a coronary.
by majoyenrac on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i'll join u
maybe we can get a 2 for 1 deal
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
Remember Gooden?
he was hurt too through basically the whole season with us, and when we trade him, he magically healed and goes to the Spurs
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Well
I thought there was a conspiracy there, we wanted to play Tyrus and so had Gooden be injured so as to not further hurt his pending free agent value. One thing you can say about Paxson, is that he has done a lot to help guys get a fair shake on their way out…..
I mean it’s rare that guys who are hurt get traded….and even more rare when said injured guys get bought out and signed by a contender…..and play off the bat.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
I think our medical staff is terrible.
They almost killed Paul Shirley after all.
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
how did they almost kill him?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Austin Croshere lacerated his insides,
team doctors didn’t notice until midflight home when shirley was hit with massive pain/bleeding/etc.
I think that’s what happened.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Oh great, they don't play till Saturday
Optimism better tread carefully here.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Damn
I am such a freaking junkie and totally want to see our team in the fucking playoffs even if I know again I’ll be horribly disappointed…..that I want to watch them play again right now even when I’m pissed….just something to make me forget this game. Sure teh TOronto game we deserved to lose by not trying for 3+ quarters before remembering we’re in a playoff race….but this game, this game was the most fucking unbelievable 3 hours of horse shit I’ve seen all year.
well im off...
try and enjoy ur night fellas
The only monster here is the gambling monster that has enslaved your mother! I call him Gamblor, and it's time to snatch your mother from his neon claws!!
5 of the last 6 are home games.
we play the Bobcats.
Nets
Knicks
Sixers
Bobcats
@ Pistons
Raptors
They should make the playoffs.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
STOP BEING SUCH A PESSIMIST.
After all we’ve got Vinny to steer the ship and all the Bobcats have is Larry Brown.
Game, set and match.
Oh well, just shoot me.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 31, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait to see what Matt has to say about this nonsense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 31, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
He should change his tune and use the old reverse psychology and say Vinny’s awesome and that the city’s never had a better coach…..that might just be the trick to get a real coach in here.
I guess one thing I can and will say, Vinny’s been better than that joke of a coach we had last year…..far better….and it’s that stupid screen that made me forget that a good coach could easily have gotten us 50 wins, seeing how amazing Derrick Rose is and can be.
I see the Bulls going 3-3 which means Charlotte has to go 4-4 for the Bulls to make
the playoffs. Maybe I’m too pessimistic after tonight’s game.
Did you just watch this game?
We have the talent to go 6-0…..but alas won’t.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
Never forget to put Vinny in your equations.
Vinny = at LEAST two more losses.
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No I didn't watch it because I knew they would lose this one.
Well I assume they can handle the home games. I think home games cancle Vinny out.
Bobcats next 8 tough
@ Celtics
Heat
@ Pistons
Sixers
@ Thunder
@Bulls
@ Nets
@Magic
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
yea, the only game on that list even close to being considered a lock is @NJ, but even that could easily be a loss
OKC beat the spurs tonight, sixers are clawing towards the finish… their 2nd easiest game might be the celtics. now that’s a tough schedule
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i can already see what's gonna happen
the Bulls will finish the season on a 4-game losing streak to miss the playoffs and the silver lining on the season will be Vinny’s firing…
rec this after it happens
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Tuff Loss
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
couldnt watch the game...
could someone sum it up for me? looks like rose, hinrich, tyrus played well, but noah hardly got any burn…
You've summed up the game for yourself!
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Bulls led by 7 with 3:40 to go, Indiana finished the game on an eleven-2 run, capped by a TJ Ford iso where he hit a sixteen-footer over rose with about 3 seconds left
bulls, as usual didn’t run a play out of their timeout and gordon ended up having to force one from the arc… airball, game over
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus
Played like shit. He got points, but no boards, on a game where we really needed them.
3-31-09: The date when the last relative Vinny supporter knows he NEEDS to be canned. Fire Vinny, Fire Bickerstaff, hire a new head coach and keep Del Harris as the head assistant. Jerry, a player with Rose's skills and upside don't come around often.
im getting to the point where i might lean towards
not making the playoffs and having vinny fired over making the playoffs, getting swept by Lebron and the Cavs, and having vinny start next season as the coach.
don't lose faith.
It’s about Rose and Rose getting a taste of playoff basketball his rookie year would be great for him.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
yea that's a tough call...
on the one hand, it’s never too early for Rose to get a taste of the playoffs. he is such a fierce competitor, and he’s been a winner his whole life… i’d hate for him to get a sour taste in his mouth from his first full Bulls season, cuz let’s not forget, there’s no guaranteeing he’s gonna remain a Bull once his rookie contract’s up so it’s gonna be very important the Bulls keep him in a winning environment; none of this missing the playoffs bullshit.
plus, as a fan, i just like to see the Bulls’ season last as long as possible and it’s always special to at least be a part of the playoffs when they begin…
on the other hand, though, if missing the playoffs leads to a Del Negro firing, it’s conceivable that the team would be totally rejuvenated going into next season with a competent coach, and they’d probably feel a chip on their shoulder like they have to go out and prove themselves after choking away the end of the ’08-09 season, so that could be good.
and, of course, as a fan, i firmly believe that the “ceiling” on this season has basically become Del Negro’s firing, so there’s that too.
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am really torn on this...
Of course I would love for Rose to get playoff experience, and probably will be a lock for ROY if they make the playoffs. However, I feel like making the playoffs will justify Vinny staying around for at least the start of next season, at least in managements eyes. It would be a lot of fun to watch the playoffs with some vested interest, although I’m excited as a NBA fan either way, but Vinny night after night is proving that he is not capable of coaching in the NBA.
I only saw the last 26 seconds of the game
imagine the heartbreak when I saw the scores are tied, and TJ Ford hitting that last shot with actually pretty good defense by DRose. And then Ben missed, and Brad ruined the putback dunk by Tyrus. Heartbreaking
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
yeah I just watched the highlights it's almost like TJ fords shot was going in no matter what.
I think these things happen for teams that have no pressure on them. Thats why the Bulls struggle. If the Pacers lose that who cares? It’s just another loss but for the Bulls they have some weight to carry.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
i only saw the last play
…and I wasn’t even phased at how crappy the play was since I know VDN is the coach.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but practicing those last second plays won't help them.
The ball still should have gone to Rose. Go to the hole. You have to.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
Practicing them?
How about having them?
Our ‘play’ is having Gordon hoist up a contested 3. That’s not a plan.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
I know. I know.
I mean this is the same thing over and over and it hasn’t been resolved this far into the season.
I remember after a loss to the T-wolves I was saying they need to have better end game situational plays. Vinny should be fired no matter what. You can’t have another wasted season next year. It’s beyond absurd. I won’t be watching this shit next season if he’s here. Im so angry that the coaching is still not resolved. They better fix this shit because the pitchforks are more then ready.
The past 10 years watching the Bulls has been let down after let down.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
you would think pax and reinsdork not only realize this, but realize the FANS' reaction to it...
what i mean is, even on their own home court in supposedly “big games”, the place is totally dead… for an NBA team in this market with a phenomenal up-and-coming rookie the likes this city hasn’t seen since Jordan, you would think there might just be a LITTLE more buzz, no?
yet nobody cares, because this team’s “leader”, Vinny Del Negro, is driving this thing into the ground and there’s no sign that he’s gonna pay the price for it.
by Daniel Satan on Mar 31, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we teleport Kirk Hinrich to another dimension, planet, world midway thru every 4th qtr..
He plays good off and on thru the game, his hustle is unmatched, but during the last 5 minutes of every 4th qtr I wish he was crazy glued to the bench
man up!
Not that I buy that much into clutch stats
but Hinrich in those situations has numbers so bad he’s a sucking vortex of anti-clutch
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true of last year
This year’s not so bad. 82games.com most recent “clutch” update covers games through 3/28, so Toronto and tonight not included, and both games had “clutch” situations so will impact the stats.
Anyway, he’s quite near the bottom of qualified nba players in points scored per 48 (9.3), which makes sense when the Bulls are for more likely to go with Derrick (28), Ben (36.6), or John (19, but they only have him listed for Sacto on this), and with good reason. You can’t score when you don’t shoot. But, when he does shoot it, his shooting percentage (.429) is near the middle of the list. Also, assists (2.8), blocks (.9) and steals (.9) are near the middle, and TOs (.9) very good. Of course, the sample size is incredibly small, with not all games involving “clutch” time and Kirk having missed a huge chunk of the season.
So, while no one will ever be likely to consider Kirk as “clutch,” and last season he was the epitome of anti-clutch, this season he’s pretty average. It’s another one of those labels that isn’t going to go away (like the “BG TO”), and even gets reinforced every game because people are more likely to notice and point out what fits the label.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
you got me.
but I’ll stick with my predecieved notions for at least a little longer…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Just watched the game.
lets see
Rose misses a key dunk
Hinrich misses 2 key free throws
The refs missed 2 fouls
Gordon threw the ball away
Brad Miller was in way too long and looked gassed.
I see why they lost. They need to practice they looked very out of sync on both ends.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
not to mention
refs waved off a basket by ty early in the game claiming the ball was in the cylinder and it was nowhere near. we have those 2 points, game is tied right there.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
not to mention
two or three bad calls down the stretch by refs in favor of Pacers.
Kirk also shooting a layup hitting the bottom of the rim
Kirk passing the ball fo Ben with seconds on the clock in desperation after dribbling to long
Rose taking to long to set up the offensive on one key opportunity down the stretch
Rose and Kirk both winded, probably Kirk moreso in last 3 minutes of 4th.. VDN 7 player rotation with the three guards averaging > 40 minutes in this game.
VDN subsitution! and Linsey Hunter eating to many Big Macs hurt with Salmons out. Roberson is bad, but a couple of 3 minute stretches might have help Kirk, and Derrick. Or go big longer with Noah, Miller and Tyrus with two guards giving Kirk more rest.
man up!
Not only did Kirk play almost 40 minutes,
but his 9 minute “breather” was from roughly a minute into the game to around the two minute mark of the first quarter while dealing with that cut above his eye. He then played the entire 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters.
While Joakim sat the final 17 minutes of the game. Because apparently exhausted veterans are a better choice than fresh young legs?
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Don't forget ...
he played 40 minutes and a lot of that was AS A SF.
…
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
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