Feb BOP Style
by Scotter on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 AM CST
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[Note by your friendly BullsBlogger, 03/03/09 9:47 AM CST: From the Fanposts. Scotter comes through yet again, I had nothing for today. -ed.]
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| Feburary | USG% | TO% | eFG% | TS% | ORtg | DRtg | Poss | OR% | DR% | FTr | AS% | MIN |
| TEAM | 20.0 | 14.6 | 49.9 | 55.2 | 112.5 | 111.7 | 1115.3 | 30.3 | 68.3 | 28.0 | 56.3 | 2905 |
| OPP | 19.9 | 14.8 | 49.0 | 54.0 | 111.7 | 112.5 | 1110.8 | 31.7 | 69.7 | 23.0 | 52.9 | 2905 |
| Rose | 24.2 | 14.3 | 49.4 | 51.7 | 107.2 | 115.8 | 189.2 | 6.2 | 7.0 | 12.9 | 31.7 | 407 |
| Gordon | 25.8 | 12.9 | 52.2 | 58.6 | 115.0 | 114.3 | 209.4 | 3.5 | 9.9 | 29.6 | 13.5 | 422 |
| Deng | 19.2 | 13.1 | 42.5 | 48.6 | 100.2 | 112.0 | 145.5 | 3.8 | 13.9 | 28.4 | 9.8 | 394 |
| Thomas | 22.0 | 17.0 | 49.6 | 56.2 | 109.1 | 106.5 | 164.9 | 9.7 | 19.1 | 39.1 | 7.0 | 391 |
| Noah | 13.6 | 17.1 | 58.5 | 62.6 | 125.0 | 109.6 | 99.2 | 13.4 | 20.5 | 43.1 | 9.2 | 379 |
| Hinrich | 18.3 | 19.0 | 53.3 | 58.1 | 108.8 | 113.2 | 105.5 | 0.4 | 7.6 | 23.1 | 22.4 | 301 |
| Brad Miller | 18.5 | 14.6 | 47.0 | 56.8 | 117.6 | 106.0 | 41.2 | 6.9 | 28.4 | 42.4 | 18.3 | 116 |
| Tim Thomas | 19.5 | 11.8 | 51.9 | 54.2 | 106.9 | 113.0 | 25.5 | 1.7 | 14.5 | 19.2 | 6.9 | 68 |
| Salmons | 17.3 | 11.7 | 61.1 | 68.0 | 133.6 | 114.6 | 51.3 | 3.7 | 12.8 | 44.4 | 13.3 | 154 |
| Nocioni | 18.0 | 7.9 | 59.8 | 62.7 | 125.2 | 111.3 | 37.9 | 4.2 | 14.0 | 22.0 | 3.0 | 110 |
| Sefolosa | 11.9 | 10.6 | 19.4 | 23.3 | 72.7 | 115.8 | 18.8 | 5.6 | 6.7 | 11.1 | 11.4 | 82 |
| Gray | 16.4 | 22.0 | 29.4 | 34.1 | 75.0 | 109.4 | 22.7 | 9.6 | 18.3 | 23.5 | 3.9 | 72 |
The sample size is obviously smaller due to the break, only 12 games. It was the team's best offensive month, but nearly the team's worst defensive month thanks to the last 5 games.
Derrick shot the ball very well this month, and was more aggressive on the offensive boards. But, no improvement in getting to the FT line or anything to do with defense.
Tyrus posted his third consecutive strong offensive month, and his best rebounding month of the season. Tyrus was leading the team in minutes played over the 1st 7 games, but hasn't played more than 30 minutes in any of the 5 games with the new additions.
Brad Miller has been everything I wanted so far. Unfortunately he hasn't been playing with the people I wanted so far. Only 32 minutes out of 116 with Tyrus. Only 42 with Deng. Only 63 minutes with Derrick, but 45 minutes with Tim Thomas
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Miller and Noah is a very effective pairing.
The more I see Noah play out there, too, the more I’m excited for a Tyrus/Noah frontcourt. Noah gets 20 pounds of muscle and he’ll be one of the better centers in the NBA. About half of Derrick Rose’s highlights were dishes from Noah. [And look at that EFG! Woo.]
Sucks that there really haven’t been enough games to get a usable sample, but hey, that’s what the rest of the season is for, I guess.
Miller is really so perfect for this team.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 3, 2009 2:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noah is like Chandler with better hands and worse hair
my only big concern is that Chandler’s frame allowed him to (eventually) add strength, and of course, he was younger starting out than Noah. But then again, at this point in Tyson’s career, his back was about to fall apart.
On the whole, he’s probably the least of my concerns for the future. Doesn’t mean he’s got the biggest upside, but I’m positive he’s a guy I want.
by Sports2 on Mar 3, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has been really impressive lately
It reminds me of the last season. He started slow, just like this one, got better and finished strong. From the top of my head, I remember two games he played awesome: against Charlotte, in the beginning of the year, and against Denver, after the Ben Wallace was traded
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would only trade Noah for a player who was a significant upgrade on the offensive end
while offering equal or better defense and rebounding and is young and healthy. But there is no chance of Orlando trading Dwight Howard.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 3, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade our whole roster for Dwight Howard (Rose included)...
Outside of Lebron I can’t think of a better player to build around right now.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* Maybe CP3...
But it’s close IMO.
"So long Noc, we hardly knew ya."
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 4, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their career numbers are already extremely similar.
Noah is the better Offensive Rebounder, the better passer, gets more steals and turns the ball over less while using the same amount of possessions. Chandler gets more defensive rebounds and has a greater TS% and has a better DRtg.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Noah's added the 'Dunk really, really fast' move to his repetoire!
Isn’t that all Chandler does? I’d think the differences in those categories would be because of NO’s system [and Chris Paul] … and you could argue the ORtg difference is because our system’s much more up-tempo. But the assists and steals and TO thing, you can tell from watching is true.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 3, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ORtg accounts for pace (it's a per-possession stat) so being more or less uptempo
has nothing to do with it.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I didn't know that.
Point stands, Noah’s better than Chandler! Weee! :P
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 4, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Noah’s a good player who just wants to have fun and seems to know what his strengths and limitations are. Even if he never gets better, he’s already a net positive. If he does get better and does dedicate himself, he could be one of those “does the small things” stars (relatively speaking) that you usually find at SF like Shane Battier.
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by tyger1147 on Mar 3, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Noah deserves some big props imo.
on the season he’s averaging 5.8 PPG 7.0 RPG 1.4 BPG in just 22 minutes. The rebounding and block rate is very good.
His scoring volume isn’t that great, but he has raised himself to a 57.2 TS% on the season, which puts him in that elite efficiency area with Ben Gordon. As I always say, you need good interior defense and lots of high efficiency scorers, with usually 2 of those guys being able to do it in major volume, in order to be a good team.
Noah is on his way to that. He’s not high volume, but he’s scoring efficiently on what he’s being given. Noah is 2nd to Gordon in win shares now, and his O-Rtg is absolutely ridiculous.
His defense needs improvement, but if he bulks up, which he needs to do imo, that will come.
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by Andrew7 on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think with Noah
my main interest is how he will show up next season. He is good when his conditioning is good as it is in this part of the season, but I am still going to question things if he shows up after the summer as he did last year. If he could show up conditioned his stats would be that much better.
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by cranscape on Mar 3, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He always starts slowly, because he seems to always get hurt and doesn't work during the off season
Pax should call him to his office and say: “Look Noah, you can smoke your pot as much as you want, but don’t forget to work this of season”!
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he always starts slowly?
you mean in the whopping two seasons he’s played? really? sure, he showed up out of shape this year to start the year, but there was no evidence he was out of shape to start his rookie year and even with all of his out of shape-ness, he was rounding into form and performing ridiculously efficiently by the month of December. So it took him a little over a month to get into shape. This happened one season. He’s surely learned from it and Paxson has publicly mentioned it, so you can be sure he got on him privately about it. I don’t expect this to be a problem next year. At all.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was hurt on his rookie season
A problem with his shoulder, I think. So, he didn’t start immediately, which is not the same thing of not being effective. This year he was not playing great, he even stayed on the bench because VDN said that he was out of shape and didn’t knew the offensive plays. So, to me, that’s starting slowly…
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but you said always like it's set in stone. he had a freak injury of his shoulder
his rookie year and admittedly screwed up this summer. I don’t think this is a trend that you can just jump up and say he’s ALWAYS starting slowly. Small sample size and such.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right
Let’s what happens next season… But he needs to work more on the off season. I remember this year summer league, in Orlando, and he played awful
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He got a personal trainer, and I'm optimistic,
I think he’ll have it together at the beginning of next year.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Mar 3, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't knew that
That’s really good news
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm hopeful for that, too.
If the reaction and consequences to wasting last off-season didn’t make it clear to him this pretty damn close to a year-round thing, then I’ll be pretty pissed. But I think he got it.
And with all the negative stuff we’ve heard about internal matters this season, it just seems like we would have heard if Joakim was still showing up late and stuff, so I’m hopefully assuming he’s grown up a lot.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
by wjb1492 on Mar 3, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man, Deng really stunk it up in the month of February
get well soon, Luol!
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 2:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i know, just when he was starting to look good in january
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Mar 3, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Brad Miller needs to be on the floor with Tyrus, Rose, and Deng more. Miller is a great passer from the high post. A high low combination with Miller and Tyrus could be destructive. Rose and Deng could cut off of Miller too and possibly get some better shot opportunities. Just another example of misuse of personnel. While I think Tim Thomas should play very little, he has his uses. Throwing another player who doesn’t slash well or get to the rim and would rather jack up threes out there with Miller is not helpful in the slightest.
by DRose01 on Mar 3, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think this comes from
Vinny’s insistence at subbing in the entire second team all at once. I remember back on Friday noticing that we had a lineup of Rose/Hinrich/Salmons/Tim Thomas/Miller – which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense given that Rosa can run and no one else there can.
Would it kill Vinny for his first sub to be Hinrich and Miller for Rose or Gordon and Thomas or Noah?
by torch on Mar 3, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This organization has some sort of personal grudge against Tyrus Thomas.
I…. just… don’t… get… it………
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by tyger1147 on Mar 3, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
they seem to have a grudge against all their mega-talented stars
Ben Gordon, Tyrus, even Derrick gets benched for the ‘grittier’, ‘peskier’ (read: less athletic) Hinrich. It makes no god damned sense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do jersey sales affect playing time?
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is amazing that
players that any other team would drool over are constantly “put in their place” here in Chicago. I will never understand that.
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by cranscape on Mar 3, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a process
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 3, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We're closing in on a "Joakim Noah Appreciation Thread"
How soon we forget that we (unofficially) named him our MVP from last season. Here he is again this season quietly leading the charge.
by YaoPau on Mar 3, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
the great thing about Jo Noah
is he knows what he does well and sticks to it. He doesn’t try to do to much. As he gets stronger, i can see him becoming one of the premier defensive/rebounding centers in the league.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 3, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he not the obvious choice
for captain next year?
by YaoPau on Mar 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he comes into shape....
I hope he does. I was really disappointed in him earlier this year….his lack of preparation probably cost us 5-6 losses (thanks to overplaying Gray).
by majoyenrac on Mar 3, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about him, but I see Rose being named captain in short term
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose never says anything
I’m tired of these “lead by example” players who in reality just don’t know how to manage people.
by YaoPau on Mar 3, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better hope he gets it
and either name him a captain or have no captains. I don’t think every team has designated captains, do they?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
player/towelboy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
towelboy*
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by Andrew7 on Mar 3, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UC drink vendor.
Maybe we can (but probably not)?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 4, 2009 2:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Captains are the only team members (including coaches) allowed to speak to refs during time outs
Stands to reason, every team has to designate at least one. Once again, thank the wonderful makers of NBA 2K games for teaching us something while we rot our minds playing their games
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by snley on Mar 3, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hah
yea….good ol 2k quizzes….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Mar 3, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So that's why Derek Fisher spends more time talking to the refs
Than actually contributing on the court!
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 3, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't the fact of him going to be the franchise player...
… lead to him being named one of the captains? Is there any start or superstar who is not captain of his team (just asking)?
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a star.
But Gordon’s been the Bulls best player for the past 4 years, and he hasn’t been chosen as a captain, despite putting his name in the ring every time.
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by Andrew7 on Mar 3, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was a hat.
(kidding, I don’t know)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why he wasn't picked
he threw a piece of paper with his name in, while everyone else threw hats.
by Sports2 on Mar 3, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
the beloved amare stoudemire is not a captain. I believe he was a captain last year and it was then revoked.
by rosefromconcrete on Mar 5, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah is really starting to be a team leader.
When he’s on the bench, he’s always the first one on his feet cheering when somebody scores. He’s the one who leads the pregame ritual, sort of like Cliff Levingston used to do. If BG doesn’t come back next year, I wouldn’t mind seeing a starting 5 of Rose, Salmons, Noah, TT, and Miller. With VDN cleaning the toilets.
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by MC Cleave on Mar 3, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"sort of like Cliff Levingston used to do."
and we know he was the leader of those teams…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT TIME IS IT?!
that brings back some memories…. Cliff was a big contributor to the team off the court, but not so much on the court.
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by bennythebull on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Game time, Huhh!
I forced to wife to responded to that question appropriately even though she doesn’t care.
by Unrealcity on Mar 5, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was the Cliff Levingston reference
made to support or detract from your point? :)
by YaoPau on Mar 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, I messed that one up.
I was always a fan of him because of his energy and hustle. But the first memory of him that always comes to mind is when he was on Atlanta back in the day and Jordan made him look stupid.
So basically forget everything I said.
It's true that we don't know what we've got until we lose it, but it's also true that we don't know what we've been missing until it arrives.
by MC Cleave on Mar 3, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's already one of the premiere rebounding centers in the league.
he’s 7th in total rebounding rate among Cs playing 20 minutes or more per game. He’s behind Joel P, Dwight, Biedrins, Sam Dalembert, Oden, and Bogut. He’s second in the league among Cs playing 20 minutes or more per game in terms of offensive rebounding rate. He’s behind only Oden, who can’t stay on the floor due to injuries / foul trouble. His defense needs a bit of work – he needs to get stronger and more interested in preventing his man from establishing deep position in the post, but even with that deficiency that puts him at a severe disadvantage, he defends on the ball very well. His help side awareness could and should improve as well. I think he’d be helped on help side if the Bulls talked more on defense, but I think that’s an issue that would help the entire team’s D, not just Jo’s.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Now if he could just start the season in shape.
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by Bigred15 on Mar 3, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oops, meant to reply to Basketball Smurf
"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"
by Bigred15 on Mar 3, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see Hinrich earning that 10 million and those 4th quarter minutes
With a D Rating that’s barely better than Rose, and a TO% that’s the worst among all regular rotation players. He basically did nothing but shoot the ball well, yet somehow he’s the veteran, calm presence that Ben Gordon cannot provide?
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 3, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is with that TO%?
that’s in Aaron Gray territory.
Gordon’s is far better, we must be neglecting to put in that Gordon amplifier that makes dribbling off the leg worth 5x a normal TO because people feel sad afterwards.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dribbling in circles leads to bouts of vertigo
He can’t help it.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 3, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucille2?
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by Ugh It Live! on Mar 3, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah looking like a great pick from last year
Everyone dodged a major bullet when he decided to stick around for another year, but for what he brings to the table it was a great use of the 9th pick. If he can gain some muscle, improve his defensive rebounding and foul shooting, they will be able to lock up the new Tyson Chandler, without the back headaches or memories of wasted potential.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 3, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I keep having this vision of next year seeing
Tyrus and Noah and even Rose after they’ve been on the Ben Gordon off season weight program. Imagine each player with 10 pounds of muscle coming into next season ready to play. You could have the most athletis frontcourt in basketball
by Dils on Mar 3, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only Ben Gordon would be around to show them.
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by tyger1147 on Mar 3, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:-(
that made me sad
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The janitors at the gym
will get to go home early at least.
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by cranscape on Mar 3, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah and Miller
I see two things going on in the numbers and in this thread.
1. Noah is solid and being recognized for his solidness.
2. Miller is solid and being recognized for his solidness. And it’s being pretty much universally agreed that Miller needs to be on the court more with Tyrus.
For as well as Noah showed statistically, Miller showed better in most respects. I’d certainly concede that Miller is a superior player, and if I wanted to win a particular game, I’d play him more and Noah less. So at the end of the day, what do we make of this, and what do we do with it?
by Sports2 on Mar 3, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Miller's old
so you play him less.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about playing Miller more
and Tim Thomas less? Noah and Miller can play together and give the team even more solidness.
by Scotter on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that too
I don’t like how Vinny plays Miller and Tim Thomas together. Instead of using a motivation of balancing offense/defense, or inside/outside, he chooses to group Miller and Tim as ‘veterans’, without context to how they play.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Tim x-ray was negative
So, Vinny will play him a lot of minutes. Unless someone tells him otherwise, like Pax did when we saw that Rose was not getting playing time during crunch time
by bull83 on Mar 3, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's partially due to the fact Tyrus and Noah start
My impression is Vinnie doesn’t want to have either of them out there for a long period like that. Vinnie’s not alone in that respect. Lot’s of coaches are pretty careful in who they let have the long stretches, and Tyrus and Noah are young, big, and occasionally have problems with keeping their focus.
I’d guess if they’re going to make a concerted effort to play them with Miller, they’ll have to move one to the bench.
by Sports2 on Mar 3, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
I’d be ok with Miller ahead of Noah then. I don’t think Noah can be ‘screwed up’, whereas who knows if Tyrus goes into some shell if he’s benched.
Either way VDN would have to still give Noah more minutes than Miller…and since he’s a dope, who knows if that happens. Better just let Tyrus and Noah both start so they’re at least guaranteed time regardless of ‘flow’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for Miller to start with Ty and Noah to play with Tim Thomas in TiT's spot minutes
and also to play a good chunk of his minutes with Tyrus. Tyrus and Miller seem like natural fits to play with one another, because Tyrus so neatly makes up for Brad’s woeful lack of athleticism. I do worry a little bit about the fact that both Miller and Tyrus tend to want to pop out and shoot the jumper off the pick and roll. Of course, I’d prefer Tyrus to be rolling to the hoop after setting picks, but at the moment it seems like he’s more inclined to shoot that mid-range J (which is okay, Neil Funk… shakes fist angrily). I think Noah and Miller should play more minutes against big frontcourts, like in the Rockets game, for instance. I had no problem with limiting Tyrus’s minutes a bit because, while he had some spectacular rejections of Yao coming from the help side, having that size really helps on bothering Yao and because Noah is a far superior rebounder to Tyrus, despite Tyrus’s much better athleticism.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy the "long period" argument
Tuesday in Char Hinrich, Salmons (x2), Rose (x2), Tyrus, and Gordon (x2) played entire quarters. Hinrich played the final 15:10 of the game. Miller had a 15:37 run.
Saturday at home Rose, Noah, and Salmons all played for entire quarters, including Rose playing the entire half. Noah played for 15:10 straight int he 2nd half. Hinrich played for 14:17 straight,
Friday in DC Salmons had one 15:40 run and one 15:17 run, while Rose and Deng both played the entire third quarter
Wednesday in New Jersey Salmons, Rose, and Gordon (x2) played entire quarters. Salmons was in for the final 19:53.
by torch on Mar 4, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to make it clear I was talking about starting the game
Obviously Vinnie doesn’t have any problem riding guys down the stretch. But my impression is that he, like lots of other coaches, doesn’t want to ride them like that in the first quarter (probably with the idea in his head that then he couldn’t down the stretch).
by Sports2 on Mar 4, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoprefully
Miller can teach Noah a few things. Brad is a 2 time all star and has a lot of experience in the league. Maybe he can be the “big man coach” that we have all wanted for so long.
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by bennythebull on Mar 3, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't know man, that sounds like a lot of work
::fires up bong::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well i think we can tell
all the work Gooden put in teaching the guys defense is finally paying off…
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 3, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope he helps with passing and defensive positioning.
I don’t see Miller teaching in post-moves, and Noah will need a lot more than “pointers” to fix his J. If Miller can help them learn better how to get positioning on defense and what to look for to make more and better passes (like he said Webber and Divac taught him), I think both of those would accentuate strengths Noah already has.
And teaching them to have that redass fire. That’d be swell.
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by tyger1147 on Mar 3, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of Noah's J, can anyone explain to me why we don't have a shooting coach
on the team? Someone designated to just keep everyone on top of their form and being consistent? It couldn’t possibly hurt, right? It might even help Deng adjust his form so that he can shoot from deep. I mean seriously Luol, it’s one extra step back, it’s not like the line bites or anything.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they had somebody (Adams?) work with last year
remember the ping-pong-paddle they taped to his hand?
Maybe they just said forget it: He’s fine, get better at other things and just never shoot. If his FT-form is awful and it causes people in the stands to groan each time and call Joclown or Jokeheem, so be it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny, his shooting form is awful from the foul line, but he's still a better foul
shooter than Tyson. 6% better thus far.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 3, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Matt and others don't like WoW..
..but there is an interesting article on the Bulls. I disagree with him on Rose, but agree with him on Lu and Noah being under-rated and Gordon being over-rated:
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I posted a FanShot on this, and I'm not sure WoW is relevant to a post on BoP stats
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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