OVERTIME Open Thread #75 - Chicago Bulls vs. Toronto Raptors
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2009 5:14 PM CDT
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Printsorry, shoulda been up earlier.
Did Salmons and Noah get hurt or something?
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Noah was not hurt, it was all Vinny-ness. I think the same goes for Salmons.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
oh, I know :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons
Wasn’t playing well yesterday, but still he should have been out there in OT, he’s done enough since being a Bull.
What I didn’t get about yesterday was that we came back by having Derrick and Ben be aggressive, after 36 minutes of pure futility, then we come back to tie, and Vinny decided to go back to the stale offense that wasn’t working the entire game…..
What’s our record in OT anyway, aren’t we like an abysmal 1-6? Anyone know? I know Kirk’s D was helping with Calderon, Kirk was a huge reason we were able to climb back, but once we climbed back, I would have rather seen Salmons’s firepower over Kirk, we had that momentum….
Derrick owes BG big time here
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A few dunks in OT will settle it. :)
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Like I said before about players like BG and Salmons.
They are Shotmakers and Ben Gordon just demonstrated that. These are the players who thrive down the stretch in games. System guys struggle in crunch time.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudey is so gonna be on your behind for this one!
:P
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
ha!
weekend game, it was a judgement call. An incorrect one. Forgot about WGN America and Bulls huge 4th quarter comeback possibility
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
BG Stone Cold Killa
the Chicago Bulls: Where Aaron Gray Travelling Slightly Back in Time on Every Possession Happens
WHERE'S NOAH?
AND SALMONS?
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
Vinny tried so hard to lose
But BG said no
the Chicago Bulls: Where Aaron Gray Travelling Slightly Back in Time on Every Possession Happens
Wow, Jose can miss?
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Derrick says my turn
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
ROSE!
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Now thats how u make a layup rose
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
rose is makin it up already
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Miller is dead tired
would VDN please play Noah
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
D-ROSE
born again?? how’s it feel mofo to be cut out by the jaws of life by BG
Wow, Rose again
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ROSE AGAIN
should have been an AND 1. :P
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Quiet as kept though, we are starting to look like the Suns!!
Giving up all these points we’ve been giving up.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
Rose left Bosh standing still
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
Can they stop fucking switching
Marion is going to kill Rose
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Rose is guarding Marion
there is no switch involved
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, forgot we have 3 guards out there
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Where is Salmons?
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I actually
thought Rose had one of his best defensive games of the year, and he bothered Marion far far more than I would have thought possible….maybe Kirk’s teaching him a thing or two.
Rose to the bucket again easy
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
thomas overshot
if thomas could learn to hit the open shot
Bargnani can suck my D
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Damn, Tyrus misses a gimme
Bargnani continues his Larry Bird impression.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
if you just want a tall john paxson
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a 1-dimensional player
Improving shooter, but Tyrus/Aldridge/Roy are all far superior.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about that
He’s a damn good 1 dimensional player, he really looked a little like a young Dirk. A 7 + footer with that kind of range and shooting skills….oh wow.
I think he’ll be up there with the other 3.
We'll see, but at this point he gives up all the points he scores
And doesn’t rebound for shit.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a major problem with a one dimensional big man.
You can be one dimensional, and usually be a good perimeter defender, but it’s not really the same for interior players. A horrible interior defender will kill your team, as they will not only give up easy points to big men around the basket, but the team won’t be able to stop perimeter penetration.
Bargnani isn’t really going to work out in the current Raptors team. Maybe in New York with D’Antoni, once they get more talent there, as they will just try to out score everyone. Otherwise, if it’s not a situation like that, Bargnani would be good against a guy like Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard who can lock down the paint all by themselves. But Toronto doesn’t have that guy, so Bargani needs to contribute defensively, and he cannot, and that really hurts the Raptors.
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But he can play the 3-5 spots
And if you pair a guy like him with a D specialist you’re set, as he definitely opens up the floor.
I agree that he won’t work with the current Raptor team though…..but he has far more upside than I ever would ahve thought and who knows as he matures he could become avg at defense…..he ain’t all there, just has improved dramatically in year 3.
The Bobcats should look at him.
Bargnani/Okafor is a well balanced front court.
That’s one of the things about Michael Beasley that is to like. Beasley actually reminds me of Dirk more than Bargs does. I don’t know who really to compare Bargs to. His style is a different brand than dirk’s imo, while Beasley has the similar style to Dirk.
I think these offensive oriented big men who can score from outside are good building pieces, but you need to have that great defensive center (Okafor, Duncan, Howard, Shaq, Chandler) next to them.
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Tyrus has had an awful game. Bargnani has killed him and he's sucked on offense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
Tyrus always struggles with PFs that spread the floor. Shard killed him too.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So true
So sadly true, that’s why I don’t want to face Orlando…..though who knows maybe after seeing Shard for 4 straight games, Tyrus can figure out how to defend those kinds of bigs.
if we lose, its all on Vinny
Hinrich guarding Bargnani and Bosh?
Derrick guarding Shawn Marion?
stupid Vinny. stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 29, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, we don't need to do that
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich can totally guard seven footers that can shoot
If only we could face the Mavericks so Vinny could show his defensive genius off!
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
Brad has played fine, but Noah is just a better play in this situation
Better rebounder and defender.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
which is why Vinny sitting Noah down is so retarded.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Vinny always - ALWAYS - sits Noah. In retarded situations.
It’s enough to make you wanna smoke.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
come on gordon
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
BG took too long on that one.
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fuck i still hate bg
I used to think coaches were overrated...
It took that long for him to get it in OT.
No wonder he wouldn’t give it up.
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Hinrich
Was as important as any in getting us a chance yesterday, his D on Calderon was huge, and Calderon is perhaps the most underrated PG of the entire league, he’s awesome.
phew lucked out on that one
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Bad possession by Ben
Toronto plays no defense, you can run real plays.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
We don't have plays, though.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
We have one
Called John Salmons
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
go back to fuksville
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
Wow, awesome D
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Freals
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Because this lineup is "working"
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
so stupid god damn
I used to think coaches were overrated...
dammit
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
What is Tyrus doing.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Why is Ty our go-to jump shooter?
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Horrible shot by Tyrus
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Second...Which killed us.
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Can we please do something in an OT game
PLZ
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
This team has no offensive sets...
I realize that’s obvious, but c’mon VDN.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
I'm amazed Miller hasn't collapsed yet
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
BG and Rose should be taking most of our shots.
Why is this not happening?
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Because we don't have an offense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Never has it been made more clear how bad of a coach Vinny is
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
WHERE IS THAT FOUL
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
WHERE IS THE FOUL
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
FUCKING RIDICULOUS
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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deep breaths
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by chibullsfan03 on Mar 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
im not even mad
im just so amazed. its like he just got punched in the face and the refs let it go
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
cmon refs
give derrick a call
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They've missed so many.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
CAN ROSE GET THE FOUL?
This boy is gonna be amazing when he gets those goals my god, 30+ a night!
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
WHERE IS THE FOUL?
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
IN FUCKING SANE
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
DWANYE WADE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MINIMUM 3 FOULS IF THAT HAPPENED
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
DWAYNE WAD WOULD HAVE HAD 10 FREE THROWS WITH THE SAME EXACT GAME
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you been watching Deadwood lately?
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actually I do love that show
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by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Should be a vocab lesson for all Bulls fans.
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Vinny is a hooplehead.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
give him that and 1 pleaseeee
I used to think coaches were overrated...
Yeah
That was fucking ridiculous, every single time downt he stretch D. Rose got a shot off it should have been an and one…..I don’t get it at all. I mean 3 of them the ref was 1 foot away, and you could see complete hacks in the 4th, and nothing…..
Rose again gets fouled going to the hoop
Go ahead refs, keep not calling that fuckwads.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
WHERE IS THE AND 1
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
"That should of been an AND 1"
has got to be in the top ten most said phrases this year. Along with “fuck vinny”
by Camry on Mar 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
VDN needs to pull Rose and Miller
and go with Salmons and Noah on this defensive possession.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 29, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
I have to credit the Raptors for being
total tools trying to win this.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
stacy is right
not only should jon be in for another scoring threat he should be in so he can guard marion and put rose on a guard
that would make too much sense.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why isn't Salmons in the game for Hinrich right now?
No knock against Kirk, but you don’t pull Rose now and Gordon is dangerous offensively so he stays too. Get Kirk out and get another bigger player out there who is a capable defender and another offensive option. Sometimes I wonder about Del Negro’s decision making.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
Too much time for them to hold for the last shot
If ever there was a time to play defense, guys….
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
I think my favorite sit n this earth is Derrick Rose running in the open court
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
what was that?
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
why god why!
I used to think coaches were overrated...
BULL FUCKING SHIT
I GFUCKING HATE THESE FUCKIGN DUMB ASS REFS
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
MAYBE IT WAS A foul
but where the f was rose’s foul?
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
Late call.
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And where is it for Rose?
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foul
my ass
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I hate Bosh's scream
someone should stick a carrot in his mouth Shoot em’ up style
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
AHAHAHAHA OF COURSE THEY CALL THAT FOUL
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Rose clobbered him in the head. Pretty obvious.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 29, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine, but where was Rose's call?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That's another issue.
He’s been robbed too.
"Playoffs? Are we talking about playoffs? Really, I mean... Playoffs?"
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That was an easy foul to call
But, it’s just annoying as fuck that Rose can’t get any slack on the other end.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
I'm Rose I take the clipboard from his hand and break it over my knee.
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Stacey wants to go for three.
Even hes had enough of this bullshit.
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
damnit!
it will be a heart breaker to lose this one
too many feet in the lane
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Please get BG a high percentage shot
This isn’t rocket science
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
What else would Rose do..
SO FUCKING CLUTCH
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
Rose turnover.
Perfect
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Damn, Rose just not comfortable at all running end of game plays
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Remember, this is where we say "screw this season, it's all about Derrick learning"
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Oh, I still don't care that he messed up
Just saying he’s not very good when the final possession is up to him.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Raptors are so lucky
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
That they get to see the real Vinny at his best
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Really the main
problem was that our guys again didn’t come to play…..I mean it took us 2.5 quarters to even get into the game. That’s been the knock on our guys for the last 2.5 years….
Yea, he's had like nine learning experiences, but he keeps doing the same thing
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by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Why doesn't anyone come get the ball on this team?
When someone picks up their dribble and needs help no one ever comes to get the ball.
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yeah, no one was cutting to the basket at all
i guess the play was for Rose to go 1 on 3. I don’t know if VDN needed to draw that up…
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck, what a horrible way to lose
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
Rose misses the layup earlier and TO's now
Take him out in clutch situations. Time and time agaisn hes proved he cant handle these situations.
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
Calm down?
How many times has he done this, this year? Learning….what can someone learn from losing in clutch situations over and over.
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
What's he supposed to do when he's 1 against 5
No one is cutting for him, everyone is just standing around waiting for him to do something.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
And Rose tried to pass him...
General manager needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Sir Paxdorf.
Drose probably didn't have a second or third option
drawn … maybe was just told to put it up himself? The second would be to a Tyrus lob and third a BG or Salmon in the corner. I dunno.
Was Salmons in the game?
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How many big shots has he hit this year alone?
Were you not watching when he went off in Utah? @GS? Shit, 17 in the 4th in Toronto last time? GW layup at home vs NY? Big layup vs Clev in OT? He shouldve had the GW layup @ Dallas. Like I said, calm down. Think before you type
My greatest enemy is my inner me
He made a bad pass, yes.
But I would be more worried if A) he hadnt hit big shots already as a 20 year old rookie or B) he was scared to take those shots or make those decisions.
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take rose out in clutch situations
arent you guys the same people who earlier all proclaimed “why isnt Vinny playing Rose at the end of the 4th quarter”
You know the worst thing?
VDN is going to be able to point the blame at Rose for missing the layup and that turnover when it’s really been his subs that has just been awful.
I can't believe I wasted three hours of my life on this game.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
not worse than the Heat game though
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Im gonna buy a dog
name it Bosh, and kick that motherfuker everday
..on 2/18/09, Noc was gone..and on the next day, Larry "The Chucker" was just a bad dream...
what a cunt
I used to think coaches were overrated...
yeah i was at that game
lowest scoring game for the lakers this year …
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by Orange Juice on Mar 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
that was just a well designed play by the raptors
they got all of their guys out of the lane and it was wide open.
we should try that sometime
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 29, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Plays are for losers
Telling your 20 year old rookie to do go 1-on-1 all the time is more manly.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
theres the air-tight defense
Sometimes I wish we would have hired Doug Collins as our coach in the summer of 2008. Then we could have fired him and won 6 more championships!
i hope you guys remember kobe in his rookie year....the guy missed three 3 point attempts i believe against the jazz...
hell they were airballs….. and now he is considered the best finisher in the game…. give rose some time…. he’ll get there…..
Look I wish people would quit assuming Rose is going to be a great clutch player
That’s something that either he has or he doesn’t. Right now he doesn’t and right now we have a player on this team who does. So until BG is injured and can’t do it, why don’t we let the guy who’s DONE it, DO it.
I disagree
He’s been pretty clutch as the Jazz, and previous Raptors games attest to. He also was huge for us in the 4th yesterday….made a bad play. Hell even D. Wade makes some bad plays down the stretch.
Glad Kirk was in there for defense. :P
Looking stupid on the last play is awesome.
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Whats our OT record?
2-6? something like that
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
Yep, good to realize the Bulls still aren't that good
And Vinny is still a worthless head coach.
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When did Salmons get pulled out today?
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the players actually played hard tonight
I’ll go ahead and put all the blame on vinny
by darksmokepuncher on Mar 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
just would love to see Rose hit a game winner once this year.
ROSE DRIVES TO THE HOOP...
its like a comb through Vinny's hair.
The miss at the end of regulation was his fault
The last turnover….yeah he lost it, but that was just a horrible situation to put a PG in. The Raptors were going to trap him once he got in the paint, the whistles weren’t going to be called. What was Vinny thinking?
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs to start just having Gordon start plays
Like if he did in Miami thats a win. Or vs the Bobcats some months ago.
Then even if he does start it. Its not always a shot hes made plays where hes actually set a guy up. Help him to set up a slashing Rose or Salmons I would think.
please god i hope they ask vdn why he didnt play salmons or noah the whole stretch
I used to think coaches were overrated...
i don't give a shit about rose's missed layup tbh...
but the lack of foul calls at the end of the game killed it too. like seriously wtf can rose possibly do to get an and-1?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Fuck my life as a Bulls fan. This sucks. I hate Vinny. I hope all the bad things in the world happen to him
and only him.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions
calm the fuck down
it’s just a game. not worth an FML
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by Orange Juice on Mar 29, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I for one am happy Salmons and Noah were benched
They were being unprofessional playing solid basketball. Maybe they learned their lesson.
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Salmons
Really was playing poorly yesterday, getting beat left and right and the sub for Kirk brought us some life.
Still though I’d rather after we got the life back subbed a rested Salmons back in for the OT period because he is a good defender normally and is far more skilled offensively than Kirk….but I digress.
A hurt groin would explain Salmons playing defense poorly,
since it would limit his mobility.
Maybe we can?
by Granny Waiters on Mar 30, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Insult to injury
Now they have the Drew Carey show on.
by Camry on Mar 29, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I've got Alf here.
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Next year without Gordon on the team
we will just lose these kinds of games in regulation or to blow outs. At least my blood pressure can take that.
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we would have had salmons in there. he is pretty awesome
I used to think coaches were overrated...
We could have had Salmons in here tonight and we didn't.
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I think Rose will only be a good clutch player
When he improves his jumper. Until then, I don’t see him getting a game winner, because the opponents will defend the rim and, in the end, he will miss
If he could get a foul call it would help too.
Part of what makes Wade deadly is that he has a ref shield on when he goes in. He either makes it or he is fouled or he makes it AND is fouled. win win win
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god that was a shit storm of all the bad coaching decisions from the last 5 years
being rolled into one giant clusterfuck. Great Job!
Exactly why Vdn shouldn't be coaching
Noah had 16 points and 20 and he didn’t play the majority of the fourth quarter or overtime. The same thing with John Salmons. Why wouldn’t you have that other scoring threat on the floor down the stretch, why is Rose guarding Marion down the stretch… Dumb coaching decisions…common sense. God!!!!
Don't want him getting a career high, y'know.
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Yeah, that's only allowed for our opponents
Calderon set a franchise record for assists, yay.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Vinny really blew it tonight.
Tyrus was having one of his worst games, getting torched by Bargnani and not playing very well on offense. But he got 36 minutes of playing tme.
Noah on the other hand had 16 pts and 6 boards (4 offensive) in just 21 minutes. Swap those two for one another and the Bulls probably win this game.
Oh yea, why the hell wasn’t Salmons in?
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
because he loves them. I don't mind him taking that shot in the abstract because he was open, but
in OT when it’s still close, damn it Tyrus, get a higher percentage look, please.
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by fundamentallysound on Mar 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The first jumper was wide-open, that's not a bad one to take
The other one was atrocious, he didn’t even shoot it properly.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And it just highlighted the fact
BG hadn’t had a play ran for him yet. And that was mid-OT. Shooters should be getting the shots. Tyrus should be closer to the basket.
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He had 1 play
It was just an iso, Bosh played great defense, and Gordon missed a shot. After that, they didn’t look for him. Kirk missed an open 3, Tyrus an open jumper.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the play were he refused to
give the ball up after he got it. Big surprise there. It was the first time he saw the ball. They really were not passing to their shooters and didn’t even have Salmons in the game. I really don’t want to see Tyrus or Hinrich being our jump shooters in OT.
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But, if he was having a bad game (he ended with 4-11)
He souldn’t take any of the shots. If you want one of the bigs to take those shots, give them to Milles instead. He has more experience
Because VDN decided to keep Salmons out of the game, which allowed Toronto to load up...
…on Gordon so Thomas ended up being an option that Toronto was comfortable with having the ball at that point in the game.
BTW, keeping Salmons out hurt us on the other end too. That’s how you get Derrick Rose matched up on Shawn Marion!!!!!!!!!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
he also had salmons on bargnani to start the game.
which was just the beginning of vinny’s retard tour de force
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And it is wasted on a coach that doesn't give a shit for winning.
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Ben is still also a part of the problem with this team.
3 selfish plays which could of won us the game.
He should have let us lose in regulation.
Problem solved.
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I haven't watched the game yet.
But typically I don’t blame the guy who scored 37 points on 63.6 TS% for the loss.
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by Andrew7 on Mar 29, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right on, rec to that
THe BG hate is so freaking ridiculous……without BG we lose by 20.
I know we still lost, but that’s totally not on BG, who was ridiculously solid all night long.
Yes we wouldn't have been in overtime without Ben
But we probably wouldn’t of had to go to overtime if Gordon had gave the ball to Rose on a 2 on 1 fastbreak or to Hinrich on a similiar play or if he wouldn’t have took that quick shot with 17 seconds left down one in the fourth quarter.
Are you serious?
Is a guy suppose to play perfect? How about his teammates? They all made boneheaded plays today. Lots of them. Every player has a few.
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Hell yeah i'm serious
This is stuff Ben has done all season. He had a good game but you can’t tell me that wasn’t a dumb shot to take that early. Why wouldn’t you take the last shot. This game is not Bens fault,but he did play a part. What good is he 37 points if we lose… Maybe I shouldn’t be picking on him, but he did make 3 dumb plas that COULD have eventually won us the game.
You take the first open look you get. He was open, and he got a look. What happened right after that?
Rose missed a layup (I don’t see you talkin’ about that) and Thomas was blocked (I don’t see you talking about that either).
Lay off it.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It felt like Stacy was doing that too
He kept pretty much blaming Gordon even though Rose had a wide open Layup.
Really everyone knows that shot was way too quick I think
it caught even the players off guard.
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Consider it a pass to Rose then.
Because that is what the shot technically did. And THAT was an excellent look at the basket. Dribbling around for 17 seconds wouldn’t have given you a look that good.
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Boneheaded play by Ben. No debating that.
Unfortunate miss by Rose, but at least he took a good shot.
Tyrus was trying to draw the foul. Kinda dumb, but at least he tried.
Are you serious Diz?
Strategically, either way it’s fine. If he holds for the last shot then that’s fine. But by taking a quick shot you give yourself a chance to get an offensive rebound (of which they got 2 by the way) and another shot. We don’t have Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade on our team. If so, then I’d be fine with letting them run the clock out and shoot the last shot. We appeared to run an inbound set which indicates that this was a play designed to get a shot. Gordon had a good look and he took it. With the team we have, you take the first open look you get.
If we were gonna run the clock down then there likely would have been a 1-4 set with D-Rose or BG out top with the other four guys flat on the baseline to waste a little time and keep help from coming over.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely serious, actually.
Let’s see, take a bad shot and bank on getting an offensive rebound (because they are so easy to come by, right?), or setup an ACTUAL PLAY and try to get a high percentage shot before sending it to BG for the last ditch attempt?
…seems like a no-brainer to me.
You trust Vinny to draw up a play that doesn't lead to fail?
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Thats my main thing too
We came out of a TO….now either Vinny gave him that option or just iso.
My whole point was that to me King. Only was talking about Gordon to take any heat that Rose would of gotten and I just thought that was kind of what they usually do.
Gordon is hated and then only slightly hated until he makes some miraculous plays to help save the Bulls.
Cause this is another time hes gotten the Bulls back in and people nit pick a bit to me.
Hes the one who gets us in hes making a ton of plays so theres going to be one that is questionable at least.
At least I think so.
it's fine to leave enough time to get the offensive rebound, but his shot was a bit fast even for that.
we had 3 tries at it, and even that didn’t run out the time, that’s how fast his shot was lol.
i mean i’m glad it worked out for them to get to ot, but it wasn’t the right thing to do.
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We were down 1.
It’s not about winding down the clock in that situation. It’s about scoring, and giving yourself an opportunity to score if you miss.
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the fact that we were down one
is exactly why i felt it was a bad shot. Just because the next time it went in doesnt really change anything to me. When he shot that shot we had 17 seconds left to play out…for a bucket. NOt a 3, a bucket. That shot led to too many what ifs. What if we didnt catch the rebound those 3 times, what if toronto got the rebound first, now they have more time to run a play. What if our defense fails on the other end, or we foul them and they convert the free throws….
Im not knocking bg, im happy he took the shot again and made it the next time. but we had a chance to really beat toronto. Its not about clock management as much as just getting a good shot that was definetly gonna go in. And that was possible. it couldve been bg, but he couldve taken a better high percentage shot, not one that was heavily contested, not one that caused a scramble, not one that couldve been so much more worse.
The second time he did it, we had less time on the clock, so i didnt mind it as much, it made more sense to me. The first time was pretty much something i wouldnt want to see even kobe do, cuz its just so stupid.
Im not blaming the loss on gordon. Derrick had his share of chances, the refs swallowed thier whistles whenever the bulls had possession of the ball, tyrus shouldnt have attempted a jumpshot in ot, vinny should have thrown noah in at offense at some point in time, hinrich couldnt hit the broad side of a barn in ot….but i am saying without a doubt, gordons 17 seconds to go HERO SHOT (thats what it was) was just about the stupidest shot ever, regardless if had gone in (giving toronto 17 seconds to get a shot to put them back up by 1 would have came of the shot had it gone in).
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Gordon had so much space. He was square and had the shot lined up and was in the air. Bosh has long arms, so he was able to get an arm up there, but in no way did Bosh alter Gordon’s vision or shot motion.
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Yeah I'm just not seeing that being as bad as some say
Its a wide open look and maybe its questionable.
But they came out of a timeout with that. I’m not so sure that Vinny only talked about BG7s energy drink.
I think he likely was given that option. And to me I always thought if you just had a good look you take it. Drawing down the clock you won’t know what you’ll get. We didn’t score but then we still had another attempt even after the 2 follow ups
That doesn't look like a great shot,
but at the end of a game with the defense supposedly keyed in, that’s a shot you have to take, definitely.
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Exactly
I really liked that play, would rather have seen different results of course, but that shot was open and the Raptors were totally caught off guard. Ben makes those often as he proved the next time down the court, but we had 3 freaking open easy chances to score there….
I think that shot
Was called by Vinny, and to be frank, we totally surprised the Raptors because of it…..getting 3 very clean attempts. I liked that call, and was pissed that Stacey kept complaining about it. I mean we did something different and had every chance to get the buckets.
I’d rather see that than the over dribble heave we’ve tried endlessly to no avail. Trust our D, especially when our D was what allowed us to get back into the game (After we played no D through 3 qtrs).
We had two more chances
after that quick shot. Who knows what would have happened if we let the shot clock go down. We might have had just one chance then and not make it. The way it was we had three chances. 99.9% of the time Rose would have made that open layup. And then BG sent us into OT for more chances. Give it a rest.
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Um, they wouldn't have been in the game if he doesn't score a ton of points in the 4th
One selfish play doesn’t equal horrible player. Hinrich has selfish moments, Rose, Tyrus, Deng, every damn person on this team and in the NBA plays selfishly from time to time. He made a bad decision to not pass to Hinrich on that fastbreak in question.
And you’re ragging on the last shot? You do realize that was a play drawn up by Vinny? They were down 1 with 1 timeout left. If Gordon misses the shot, they still have enough time to foul, take the timeout, and get another shot to tie or win the game. Gordon missed, but that’s no excuse for Rose to botch the 2nd chance. The Bulls ended up getting the ball back, and Gordon made the buzzer beater. He isn’t sabotaging the team, no matter how much people want to believe it.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if Miller had hit that shot in the 2nd quarter with 12 seconds left on the shot clock then....
… we wouldn’t have gone to overtime either. Come on man!! After Gordon missed Rose and Hinrich in transition, he did hit the shot to send the game to overtime last I checked. There are at too many plays in a game to pinpoint one…unless that one happens at the tail end of the game (last 30 seconds or so).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What? That was a good shot by Gordon.
He had good space and just hit back rim.
The Bulls were down by 1. They wanted a quick shot in case they missed. Yes, shooting at the end gives you the chance to win and get out of there without giving the Raptors another chance. But wit us down 1, that quick shot allowed us to get another opportunity, which Ben delivered on.
Good shot selection there from Ben. What were we supposed to do? Burn off a bunch of clock? Ben got a good look, and took a shot.
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Horrible loss
But, on the bright side, the Bulls only have 2 more road games, at Indy and at Detroit. They’re only playing 2 more games this week, so some much needed rest should come for Derrick and the other starters.
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This is one of the most frustating games the year.
Vinny is going to keep making dumb decisions. He should be done.
I think he
just figured the Wallace signing was so bad, he should go for the polar opposite.
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that was a one in a generation afro. Just more proof that paxson is getting burned by hair love.
missed the game ...
how did we shoot 55% and lose? defense was that bad? vinny was that bad?
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We were not getting foul calls
and our defense was spotty. And Vinny struck again. Johnson and TiT in the game at the same time. Sat out Noah when he was having a great night. Sat out Salmons in the 4th and OT. Froze out BG in OT…again.
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I thought the Raptors would have laid down in overtime.
Seriously they need to work on late game plays. How many times have we seen this?
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it did not help that we had Rose on Marion
that created every shot that toronto had. It worked for a while in the 4th when the raps werent recognizing it. But give me a breaksville.
the rose on marion thing was absolutely ridiculous.
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Was he hurt?
The Raptors announcers didn’t say anything about it.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that explains him not being in
But, Joakim? He was obviously healthy because he came back in OT.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 29, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What do they do at practice?
I’d love it if one of our wonderful Chicago reporters got access.
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They work on Noah's post moves.
Really when ever I see footage it’s like Vinny working with Noah on post moves. Or breaking the huddle. TV can mislead me.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I thought their huddle had improved. I guess Vinny has done one thing.
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Seriously though fellas, we're giving up too many points lately!!!
That’s the real problem.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
And getting off to too many slow starts
It took 3 quarters to fully get back in the game
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True, True
That’s why we can’t be fooled by games like these. We were supposed to lose because of how we played the majority of that game and got lucky that Toronto sucks as bad as they do and lost their focus. We didn’t get back in it because we’re so great lately. We can’t wait to play. Like you said Cool1, we gotta get on it at the tip.
Moving forward we gotta have complete games. We may even pose problems for somebody in the playoffs if we play complete games.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I was telling my GF that earlier
We weren’t even supposed to be anywhere near a W today. I was a good 2 minutes away from switching channels and watching my Tar Heels dismantle OU, and then they went on a run that led to a bigger run.
I just hope this loss doesn’t lead to them thinking they can start however and still be in it late, especially on the road.
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That's why we only play Noah 20 minutes a game
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Oh thats what I was going to say....(brainfart)
Whats up with Rose during the first two quarters? Why does he sleep walk? Why? They play so lazy during the first half and it’s becoming a trend. That shit won’t cut it in the playoffs.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
I think Rose is doing what good PGs are supposed to do
that being, distribute and set up the offense early on, take over late. The problem with that is, he sometimes is passive regardless of how the team is playing early on. So in essence, he’s indirectly part of the problem too.
He’ll learn that it’s okay to be passive early on if the rest of the team is benefitting because of that, but also that he has to assert himself (whether playmaking for others or scoring) when the situation dictates itself.
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Well if he can do it in the 4th he should be able
to take over before half.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
That's my whole point
It’s just knowing when to abandon that passive strategy
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maybe when your team is struggling?
And your the leader? Kinda like how MJ would do. Take over. Maybe that comes with time I don’t know. I though stars were just born with it. But if Drose wants to be one of the guys I guess that sucks for us.
Pool and a pond... Pond be good for you.
He starts taking over later in the season/playoffs,
if you want to go by Memphis. :P
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But he's still an unselfish point guard
which is where most of his luster came from. There’s a certain balance that comes with setting up your also talented teammates and asserting your amazing athletic ability. This only becomes harder as a 20 year old rookie with one year of college and your team is fighting for a playoff spot. It’s not as easy as saying “Hey, we’re not playing great, time to take over”. It’s not that simple.
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Don't you believe that mess you just wrote...
…until the Bulls prove to you that things like this won’t phase them. If we were a team that wins 50 games a year and goes deep into the playoffs every year then I’d say nothing is gonna phase this group. But they haven’t proved it yet. I hope it doesn’t phase them but I’d rather them show me than just blindly believe.
Funny…because you sound EXACTLY like these guys around here about 2 years ago when I was beating up on Luol Deng who were telling me, “Don’t worry cause Deng is only 21 and is gonna bounce back…I mean look at the series he had against Miami….He’ll be playing at an all-star level again soon, etc….”
Of course we’ll pull for the Bulls because we’re fans, but we gotta have them show us their resilience before we proclaim this won’t phase them.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So this loss makes the Bulls 2-7 in overtime games this year. Bad coaching.
(so more than 10% of their games this year went to overtime? Wow)
Tyrus is turning into a good starting NBA player, but I saw him take 2 jump shots in OT 10 or more feet away from the basket. That’s not his strength. (If only we had a real coach!)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Mar 29, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
At this point, Tyrus has shown us that he can hit that mid range jump shot.
He’s gonna make some, he’s gonna miss some….just like every other player in the league. We can’t be happy when he makes them and then complain when he misses them. Plus, he’s gotta shoot it when he’s open in order to remain a weapon. If he doesn’t take that shot then he’s like Ben Wallace on the perimeter and the defense won’t pay him much attention.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
With the guys on the floor
and our history of struggling in over time Tyrus shouldn’t have had two jump shots. If he wants to take some earlier in the game, fine. At this point his jump shot is not a high % shot for him and with limited chances in OT it was not a good idea to waste two of them on that, open or not. And he was open for a reason. The Raptors won both times for not guarding him out there. It shows how poorly our “plays” were drawn up during the OT more so than a criticism of his jump shot. We should have had plays run for Gordon and Rose the entire time. A Tyrus jump shot is like a plan D that you hope you never have to see. He isn’t our go-to jump shooter.
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God damn are you serious?!?
I had to leave for work at the begining of the 4th and I forgot to set to record the rest. I was in a hurry and it was looking like a loss to end the 4 game streak, and it ends up being OT madness, that everyone seems hyped up about. I didnt get to see it and am angry I cant have an opinion on everything that went down
i almost turned the game off with 6 minutes to go
when it went into overtime, i was glad i had tuned in. now…. i almost wish i had still turned it off.
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Yea I know that feeling all to well.
It sounds like my remote, walls, and other house hold items are lucky I didnt get to see it
by TruEChiFaN... on Mar 29, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I 'saw' the last 30 seconds of this game during my break over GameCast.
I have to say … pretty depressing. I was like “Oh god Gordon, please, please save us, don’t have Rose go 1 on 5”, and then the GameCast displayed ‘blocked layup’ and then ‘Calderon makes layup and free throw’. Plain face.
Joakim Noah: Better than you.
This game wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.
I don’t really know what the Gordon selfish plays were. The only one I could think of was Gordon’s first shot in overtime, with Chris Bosh on him. Otherwise, he didn’t really touch the ball much in overtime.
And the Rose play wasn’t that bad. He just had to make a better pass. The idea was good. Easy dunk for Thomas, and a good chance he gets fouled from behind on such a play.
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Gordon is Larry Hughes with a (much) better stroke.
And he’s never met a shot he doesn’t like. Luckily, he’s capable of making tough shots, but as a result of them being “tough,” they don’t go in as often as easy shots do. He’s an asset to our team, but I wish he’d pass a bit more…like on that fast break…or the shot with 19 on the clock…or the first shot in OT.
The other problem is that running real plays that a real coach creates is the preferred alternative to jacking up off balance fade aways. Unfortunately we don’t have that coaching component. Maybe he trusts himself more than VDN. I guess I would too.
I think he passes on the fastbreak more than some notice though
Gordon has this whole reputation that if he does anything according to it. It will stand out in peoples minds. I’ve seen 2 times this year where he should of passed it up for sure on the fast break.
But Hughes would be good if he could make those. I think Gordon is better with ball movement as well. Though his role was actually scoring a ton I’m not sure what Larrys was.
Gordon's a shooter
And a damn good one too. He hits a majority of shots that millions of people in this world cannot, and hits shots to end games in some of the tighest situations while being oh barely over 6 feet tall.
That shot over Bosh was spectacular yesterday….
as long as we rely on BG
…we will always be an inconsistent feast or famine team.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 30, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Well that, or until we get a legitimate defensive anchor.
Or a scoring big like Amare/Bosh who will allow us to score at a whole new level.
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Then go sign Shane Battier as a FA
Oh wait, that’s never going to happen.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So is there a place on the Bulls for Bosh
and a place on the Raptors for BG and/or Deng?
go away and tell a non-annoying, knowledgeable BE member to come back in place of you please
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Joakim Noah: Better than you.
I remember someone saying that
but don’t remember someone saying Tyrus was twice that of anyone.
Still not like he hasn’t been playing well. Toronto was just hot this game to me.
That was somebody being effusive of Tyrus's skills in the last game.
He’s very much still a work in progress – I don’t think he’ll really be “finished” until year 5 or 6, when he’s 24~25.
He’s taken a lot of encouraging steps this season, though, and it’s nice to see that VDN is playing him a lot more – even if it limits Noah’s minutes [#@#@^], it’s better for the team in the long run.
We’ll see how the career arcs go, but given that LMA is apparently improving too, I think it’s still too early to tell.
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If only Brandon Roy made our players look better
You have a superstar on your team, Aldridge is nowhere near that level.
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by Ozzie Montana on Mar 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn those refs
I didn’t see the game but looking at the video recaps I saw a lot of the Bulls plays down the strecht should have been and 1s. Rose and Gordon didn’t get it but than Bosh earned a +1 at the OT that was ridiculous compared to the one the Bulls did not get.
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When i tuned into the Bulls Sunday’s game against the Toronto Raptors, i was somewhat surprised to see us down double digits going into halftime (especially during a game we needed to win with the Pistons getting healthy). But i was also surprised in the way the team handled themselves in the face of adversity, and what surprised me was something that this team has lacked a majority of the season: Confidence. The Bulls have not played with any confidence this season until this game. Even in games we won, we didn’t have that swagger we needed to send the message to the other teams in the league like how Cleveland, Boston, and L.A. do saying: “YOU CAN’T BEAT US!” Getting our asses kicked for damn near 4 quarters is when the bell finally rang, and when it did- things finally started to change in the Bulls favor! Everyone at the game and watching at home thought surely we were done, and that the game was over. But in true Bulls fashion, we rallied together and made it a tightly contested game. Eventually forcing the game into overtime to decide our fate. The Bulls comeback was nothing shocking to me though, in fact i EXPECTED it. And they didn’t disappoint either, thanks to Ben Gordon’s spectacular play down the stretch, which gave me that feeling again: Those feelings from our first trip to Playoffs since ‘98! Watching the height-challenged backcourt duo Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich, as they took on the defending NBA Champion Miami Heat in the first round of the ’07 Playoffs, thus sweeping them- and shocking the basketball world! But the feelings of “Victories Past” soon diminished- as i came back to the present to realize we couldn’t pull out the win in OT. (I hope that the sting will carry over into tonight’s game against the Pacers!) Regardless of the loss (and like some have expressed) i’m happy with the way the team played (despite playing from behind the entire game) being that they were also undermanned, and undercoached. Regardless of the coaching issues (and that’s putting it LIGHTLY)- i truly believe that this team is coming together, and they’re starting to believe in each other out there on the court. I think they’re also starting to believe that they can compete, as well as defeat, the powerhouse teams in league (and that’s a short list of 4 teams). Now i’ve compare the loss to the Raptors, as i did with the loss to the Lakers two weeks ago, it woke them up to seeing their true potential. Like the NY Giants when they lost to the New England Patriots, then went on to beat them in the Super Bowl- it gave them confidence. If you recall, the Bulls were beating the Lakers the entire game until they ran out of firepower in the 4th (not to mention those horrid number of turnovers they committed, the terrible subbing, etc…! UGH!) But they ultimately realized that the Lakers weren’t so tough after all. We beat Boston like they pissed on the Jordan statute outside of the Untied Center- so don’t be surprised if we UPSET a Boston, a Cleveland, or an Orlando team during the Playoffs! We did it in ’07, and i know we can do it again in ’09! GO BULLS!!
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