Ben Gordon

"Now, I’m sure some zitty ass stat geek who only watches games on ESPN gamecast will counter with Gordon’s VORP or his Adjusted Clutch True Shooting Percentage Volume Ratio Per 40 Minutes or some other meaningless stat that I don’t give a fuck about, but the fact is, he is garbage, watch 2 minutes of a game and it’s obvious. "
I disagree with you.
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Oh shit, your argument falls apart.
I mean, you have some valid points [though it should be noted that the Spurs’ starting guard was Michael Finley[I think?], and Ginobli comes off the bench]. But some points that aren’t even really worth discussing … like saying that we lose more when Gordon scores a bunch of points.
Gordon isn’t a black hole – he misses open people, but with this scheme [i.e. ’let’s all run around and score’] EVERYBODY does, and I haven’t seen him being overly ballhog-ish.
Just curious, though – would you rather have Hinrich start at the 2 than Gordon?

is BG gives Bjs….I think we knew what this poster’s agenda was. Do I think BG can be the best player on a championship team…no…But that doesnt make it his fault that the team is flawed. That’s the biggest mistake people seem to make…blaming Ben for the flaws the team has overall. If you can honestly sit here and tell me that this current team would have a better record without BG…then I can honestly say I would slap the shit out of you for such an idotic point of view.

Toney was the 6’3" shooting guard on the 1983 World Champion 76ers. He was A LOT like Ben Gordon except that he shot a higher percentage from inside the 3 pt. line while Gordon shoots the trey better. But they are in the same mold.

As for the common thread amongs the last 10 champions….it’s that they all had Hall of Fame talent leading them and/or they all had a dominant front lines (except for the Bulls championship teams and the Miami Heat…but Dwyane Wade put on one of the 5 greatest finals performances in NBA History). Forget about the last 10 champions…go look at the last 30 champions. In that span the only teams who were UNDENIABLY spearheaded by superstar shooting guards were the Bulls, the Miami Heat, the Pistons in the late 80’s with Isiah and Joe D., and the 79’ Sonics who were led by Gus “The Wizard” Wiliams, Dennis Johnson and “Downtown” Freddie Brown who were all about 6’3".

So get your shit together buddy before you go telling people they don’t know shit about the game.

I’ll add you to the crowd that bashes Gordon for being as average a defender as about 23 other starting 2 guards in the NBA.

it’s nice to see so many people don’t know jack shit about basketball. And what a surprise! 20 separate posts bringing meaningless geeky no pussy getting stats. I have nothing against being educated. Memorizing stats does not equate to being educated, just to being really gay. Like I said, get off the computer, get out of mom’s basement, watch, or god forbid, PLAY some basketball, and learn what the game is all about. 3 point jackers who stall the offense and don’t contribute in any single other way on the court do no win. This is true at the playgrounds, in high school, in college, and in the pros. You win with well rounded players who can do anything that is asked of them on the floor. Your Friendly Bulls Blogger, great post, you’re soooooooo witty brother! As for my contention that we lose when he scores a lot, and everybody’s contestion of that claim, here’s a fun fact, in the 11 games that gordon has cored at least 28 points, we’re 3-8! Don’t believe me, look it up stat geeks, have a ball. The only valid post opposing me was the gentleman who brought up the 83’ sixers, but that’s one team in 26 years and a different era. I mean, the proof is in the pudding. When Ben the Black Hole came off the bench, we were a gritty, defensive, big hearted team who needed his scoring punch off the bench and in the 4th. Ever since he jointed the starting lineup, our team began to decline. But thank god for his 20 a game, too bad 50 other players in the league can do that. And for the record, I think Hinrich’s a piece of shit as well. Too bad we’re stuck with his contract. As for the gentleman who claimed I had an agenda. Well, hats off to you, sir, you are truly observant. I joined this site for one reason and one reason only, I’m offended by stupidity, and defending Ben Gordon as an NBA starter is BEYOND stupid. How’s that for articulate YFBB, I’ll verbally abuse you any day of the week. Also for the record, Gordon as a 5 mil bench player is great. Unfortunately, he thinks that G in his last name is a J.

and I’m not saying that by removing BG, we’re all of a sudden a title contender, so don’t put words in my mouth to sensationalize and deride my beautiful argument. What I’m saying, is that for 10 mil a year, we can get much better. The way I see it, if we’re not going into the luxury tax, we have room for one max player, 2 10-15 mil players, and then role players. Well, we’ve already burned up one of those 10-15 spots, by making Gordon the other, that means we’re stuck with this team, and this team ain’t doing shit. Let Gordon walk, draft a big, defensive, versatile shooting guard, there’s a plethora of them this year, sign that max big, and contend for a title.

It takes 5 minutes and his fun to prove to people that they are idiots. Creating the post, loggin on, posting the replies, is all beyond worth it and fun for me. Fuck, I’d write a damn doctoral dissertation on the topic if I felt like it. Snide obnoxious remarks are traits of the friendless and bitter, Ozzie Montana, and frankly, I find them ugly. I learned a lot about the blogosphere in the last 24 hours. I particularly loved the part where people are like, “Listen asshole, why the fuck are you so fuckin pissed off about gordon, leave him the fuck alone, lighten up before i slap the shit out of you,” or, “show me the stat about our record when he scores a lot,” and then I reply with, 3-8 when he scores at least 28. So, I leave you all with the bitter feeling of being proven retarded, but don’t sweat it kids, keep your chins up, keep on chuggin, and one day you’ll say something smart. So now I ride off into the sunset, championing the arguments of the minorities, leaving you all to fume amongst yourselves, my work here being done.

I’m sorry when i’m just continually insulted i can’t resists responding.
Just to clarify:
-The bulls are 3-8 when the blackhole scores at least 28 THIS YEAR, not in his career. Coming off the bench and scoring against second units he was a sparkplug, jacking up shots as a starter he has become a black hole.
Starting Shooting Guards on championship winning teams since 1996 (excluding the lockout year):
Michael Jordan (96-98)
Kobe Bryant (2000-2002)
Manu Ginobili (2003)
Rip Hamilton (2004)
Ginobili (2005)
Dwyane Wade (2006)
Michael Finley/Ginobili (2007)
Ray Allen (2008)
Ben Gordon will never in his life come close to any of those guards. I won’t even compare him to God, but as for KB, Ginobili, Hamilton, Wade, Finley, and Allen, they are all tall, versatile, can score from anywhere on the floor, are not complacent foot dribblers, and PLAY D!!!! With Gordon as your starter, who’s guarding Kobe or Ray Allen in crunch time???
Also to clarify:
Homosexual: A man/woman who is attracted to a member of the same sex.
I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals, and am a champion in their crusade from equality, and frankly, I find no need for a term that differentiates between them and other human beings, thus, homosexual isn’t in my vocabulary.
Gay/Fag: One who uses snide petty low blows on internet message boards, who has only briefly made contact with other human beings, who gets their panties in a bunch when an NBA athlete who they have never met is insulted, who in true hipocratic fashion thinks that making obnoxious sarcastic insults is different from straight up like a man calling somebody a dumbass, and who, when a male, possesses the womanly trait of taking everything personal and getting sand in their vagina when disagreed with.
Being gay and being homosexual are 2 different things.
For example,
Harvey Milk=Homosexual
Your Friendly Bulls Blogger, who sent me a warning that started out being really funny and actually almost earned him some respect but then flamed out into obnoxious sarcasm=gay